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I ran across a great site today stating "Liberty & a healthy planet are inseparable."  Check out the link!
Liberty Garden (http://www.libertygarden.com/gateway/html/)

Also watch this video about what is happening to our farms & foods
The Future of Food (http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-3643830908060069005)

Free PDF on Private Property and it's gradual loss.

http://www.libertygarden.com/documents/LG_private-property.pdf

Debate rages over genetically modified crops.  Reports from key groups have much different conclusions (http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2007/01/19/BUGBONL8D91.DTL)

Treehugger has had a couple of contests for dinners with all (nearly all) the food from a 100 mile radius of the house.  Made for fun reading.  And probably eating.

http://www.treehugger.com/files/2007/01/local_means_nut.php

QuoteAlissa Smith and J.B. MacKinnon of the 100 mile diet have been quiet lately, we think working day and night on the new book 100-Mile Diet: A Year of Local Eating that is coming out this spring. However they are not forgotten. Jeff Nield recently wrote an article on what every locavore in the north worries about at this time of year, which James MacKinnon called "the war vegetable season."- turnips, onions, potatoes, maybe cabbage. Tough foods for hard times. Well it ain't so, there is lots of good eating to be had. According to Vancouver nutritionist Paula Luther: "If we look at what's in abundance right now, we have lots of squash, carrots, things like that, which are actually beneficial at this time of year," she says. These winter foods are rich in beta-carotene, antioxidants, vitamin A — just the sort of nutrients our bodies need to fight off colds and maintain energy levels for the season.

How about information about the effects of microwave ovens on food.  I assumed just high speed friction heating from radio waves -- harmless?  I now hear different.  Anybody know anything other that has any solid foundation to it?

I don't know.  Probably something we'll find out in a generation.  Maybe two.

   "Of course, if microwave ovens were really harmful, our government would never allow them on the market, would they? Would they?"

http://www.curezone.com/foods/microwave_oven_risk.asp

http://www.curezone.com/

Thanks, bayviewps.  I think that is some of the stuff I heard mentioned.  

I don't see people dropping like flies from it or growing extra appendages, and I haven't stopped using it due to the speed of life, but I'm still interested in finding out more.

Here's a bit more info covering some of the previous posted info also.

http://www.life.ca/nl/103/microwave.html

Least helpful of all seems to be the USDA info.

Here is one that seems to make sense -- they don't eally know but some weird things happen and are being studied.

http://www.straightdope.com/columns/050506.html

Some of the cure zone report is kind of--not exactly bogus, but not due to the properties of microwaves either.

Especially--

Most microwave ovens don't heat evenly.  Turntables help, but....  Therefore some at least of  the recommendation on baby's milk bottles (and presumably human blood) is based on the fact that some parts of a container may be at cooking temperatures while other parts are still cold.  In the case of baby's milk it could cause a scalded mouth and maybe farther down into the digestive tract.

But somehow I doubt that cooked human blood ought to be transfused into you.

And it's kind of old--I've had thousand watt microwave ovens since the mid-nineties.  And they were definitely home models, not recycled commercial ones.

The strait dope guy sounds a lot more believable.

(But a microwave can make even store-bought corn on the cob taste good--and it's sooooooo convenient)

DO NOT dry wet kittens in a microwave, :-?

Or, I gather, even your clothes.  Although the person on this forum tells you how you might get by with it.

And, there are apparently honest to gosh microwave clothes dryers on the horizon (also heat pump ones).

http://www.answerbag.com/q_view/24205

QuoteYes, you can. You SHOULDN'T, but you can. I've done it... but I don't recommend it. (It was an hour of desperation--cold winter and me without any warm dry socks!)

It's really just a bad, bad idea. I set one sock on fire. Another one warped into an interesting, decidedly non-foot shape. I noticed that all the socks I microwaved wore out and developed holes quicker than my other socks. So don't do it. No matter how desperate you are. Hop down to the laundromat and use the clothes dryer.

Repeating my admonition about absolutely not doing it, here's how I did it--and I accept no responsibility if you try this and ruin your clothes/microwave/burn down your house/etc.:
Don't even think about nuking dry anything with metal on it--buttons, fasteners, underwire, etc.
Put your microwave on 50% power.
Every 15 seconds--and I do mean EVERY 15 SECONDS--stop the microwave, take out your clothes and swing them in the air to shake off excess water and cool them down. They'll kind of steam when you take them out. If you don't do this, they will burn.
Repeat until dry.

I'm enjoying that site I listed above.  Here is somebody are on microwaving metal.

http://www.answerbag.com/q_view/10851

The Silent War on the People of India (http://www.thepeoplesvoice.org/cgi-bin/blogs/voices.php/2007/03/22/the_silent_war_on_the_people_of_india)  article about the experimentation & spread of GM seeds & crops

I also read a couple articles today that speculate that the GM crops might be weakening & killing of the honeybee populations...

Amanda, that is a great website you posted - some funny & crazy stuff  ;D :o

We'd love to blame everything on GM foods, up to and including the pet food problems, although that one seems to be turning out to be rat poison.

But somewhere not too long ago I read that the honeybee die-offs may have more to do with the kind of migrant factory lives they are living.  Not the guy with ten or twenty hives, but the ones that truck their bees all around the country--pollinating almonds in California in February, then hitting a handful of other crops (and states?) until they get back there.

Coming Home to Eat  http://www.garynabhan.com/books.html  is a great book about eating within the 100 mile radius in the Sonoran Desert-not an easy task.  I was all fired up to try it but my lack of wilpower won.

Also, I heard yesterday that there are some preliminary retrospective studies showing that men whose mothers ate a lot of beef during pregnancy may have a lowered sperm count.  Possibly due to the hormones in the meat. I've always thought that someday we might find that all those hormones were not such a good idea.  We've known for years about the reproductive problems of women whose mothers were injected with diethylstilbesterol during pregnancy.  I don't think we should make health decisions based on early studies like these but I do think it deserves more study.

Here's the link:  http://www.webmd.com/infertility-and-reproduction/news/20070327/study-links-beef-to-lower-sperm-count

Judy

Or we could declare that


the way that some friends that raise a few cows for their personal consumption do.

(I'd send the article to them, except that they would just send the message in the marquee back to me--they tend to think that everyone can live their life)

There might be enough problems with feedlots--and incidently, grain-fed beef that there might be a convergence of reasons to fix the beef industry.

I enjoyed that Gary Paul Nabham book.

When organic isn't organic... seems that the GM crops are infecting the organic crops - good article...

http://www.time.com/time/health/article/0,8599,1599110,00.html

Well, yes.  Very little care taken about the spread of the GM genes--unless of course, it means that a farmer can plant his own farm-grown seed and take "advantage" of Roundup ready crops.  Then, of course it's all the farmer's fault and he can be sued.

In addition "the organic food industry" may be, if not an oxymoron, at least not all it's cracked up to be.  

Michael Pollan tends to be instructive here.  Haven't read the Omnivore's Dilemma yet, but he starts talking about monoculture (huge fields of the same damned thing) in the Botany of Desire.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Pollan

Another theory on why the bees are abandoning the hives http://news.independent.co.uk/environment/wildlife/article2449968.ece

Interesting.

Who knows.

Was really surprised to read this article on Prince Charles criticizing genetically modified (GM) crops...

Prince Charles warns GM crops risk causing the biggest-ever environmental disaster

By Jeff Randall

The mass development of genetically modified crops risks causing the world's worst environmental disaster, The Prince of Wales has warned.
   
Prince Charles warns GM crops risk causing the biggest-ever environmental disaster
Listen: The Prince of Wales speaks out

In his most outspoken intervention on the issue of GM food, the Prince said that multi-national companies were conducting an experiment with nature which had gone "seriously wrong".
con't at link

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/earth/main.jhtml?xml=/earth/2008/08/12/eacharles112.xml

...but who will protect us from Prince Charles? hmm

I know glenn.....The Queen.....Why do you think she has not retired yet? To save us!

She didn't protect Diana, - but then she was pi$$ed at her too -- extermination was in order.  Can't have the royal line sullied by a rogue female.

This is about Charles......

...so we must ignore the plight of the beautiful dead young genetically mutated woman, but be concerned about the vegetables because Chuck says so? hmm

No, I was wrong, this is about the Queen!

Typical woman, Stink --- just when I think I have the answer, you change the question. ::)

read a great article about how some countries are banning GM foods and the way that they coat the seeds for corn specifically with pesticides.

This has been shown in studies to correlate exactly with the massive bee exterminations. France and now Germany have moratoriums in place against these practices.

It is scary to think that they are putting the poisons into the seeds of our food to repel insects... Our food is poison and the bees die because they pollinate our food..

We should be scared half to death... :-\

The corporations are protected against the people by the fascist  government whores they pay off.  No concern for the lowly citizens.

I thought the government was mostly neo cons... :-\

Neocons are fascist government whores.

oh okay thanks for clearing that up for me ???

I don't hold any of them in particularly high esteem.  Some I respect less and some I have great contempt for. d*

Quote from: Sassy on January 07, 2007, 07:20:14 PM
I ran across a great site today stating "Liberty & a healthy planet are inseparable."  Check out the link!
Liberty Garden (http://www.libertygarden.com/gateway/html/)

Also watch this video about what is happening to our farms & foods
The Future of Food (http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-3643830908060069005)

Has anyone watched those videos?  They're really good & informative... 

Over the next few years I'm planning to shift us more to home grown and raised food. I doubt I can get us to 100% but 80% would be good.

You may live longer than your allowed time, Scott.  Not legal. d*

Yeah by the time Scott is ready for social security it may not exist...Especially if McLame steers us into war with Iran or Russia :-\

We know the money has to come from somewhere...Bush and company stole 8 trillion from the fund :o for the Iraq war :o

That's if we get past 2012 - the end of time.

Where did that date come from? I remember for years 2000 was suposed to be the end of time.  :P

Some said the end of the Mayan Calendar - others say a recycle of the Mayan calendar will start - and other events having to do with the universe. 

I think I'll just sit back and wait and see.

http://www.usatoday.com/tech/science/2007-03-27-maya-2012_n.htm

the most accurate calendar ever invented(mayan) stops on 12-21-2012.

Personally I believe the same thing will happen then that happened when so many were in a dither about the millennium change.


Nothing.



Media hype; selling books, papers, etc. Good for business crap.

hard to say what will happen, but with the way things are going one should have emergency supplies up the ying -yang anyway.

well I worry if we will get to 2012...we cannot handle another 4 years of starting wars...we need to get out of Iraq and leave Iran and Russia alone..It is not our job to police the world...We simply cannot afford to live this way.

4 more years of business as usual will be apopoliptic in my opinion

Quote from: benevolance on August 21, 2008, 11:07:56 PM
It is not our job to police the world...

In the history of the world there's always been a dominant force, the policeman if you will. At times there have been two forces, engaged in hot or cold wars, or something in between.

Without a policeman what would the world be like? Does anyone really believe that all countries will behave properly, respect each other, and so on?

Oh, you say the UN is the world's policeman. Ha! The UN is ineffective at best.

Who would make a better world's policeman? Would you rather have China, or Russia, maybe North Korea or Iran?

Articles of interest:

Forbes (http://members.forbes.com/forbes/2007/0312/031.html)  and NPR (http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=19180589)