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Plans for a North American Union (http://www.augustreview.com/index.php?module=pagesetter&func=viewpub&tid=4&pid=14)

Okay. I'll admit it! My short sided mind is having a hard time understanding this.

This is being formed for trade agreements only or are we talking of a totally new country including the U.S., Mexico and Canada?

I was curious when we sold some of our military installations, then heard of a super highway between Mexico and Canada.

(Wondering if I'm naive, uninformed or simply stupid here.) :-/

These things aren't well-publicized & also are written in a rather deceptive manner - when you read the over-all article, you'd think it sounded rather nice & cozy... but if you look at history, look at where the money & power is - the end result will be losing our national sovereignty ie our freedoms as we know it ie the United States Constitution & Bill of Rights.  There are internationalists - the movers & shakers - most of who belong to the Trilateral Commision, The Council on Foreign Relations (CFR-this was formed IIRC around the time the Federal Reserve, a private central bank, was formed & also when the IRS was inacted in 1913),&  the Bilderbergers (they just met in Canada last month).  As control is sucked away from the "people" or "commoners", our role in gov't will become nil.  Isn't that what fascism & a dictatorship is all about?  No more "We The People" but now it is the "will of our managers"... kinda scarey when you think about it...  :-/

Here's a link to North America's SuperCorridor Coalition, Inc
NASCO (http://www.nascocorridor.com/pages/about/about.htm)


My motives for posting this information is not to depress or discourage anyone, but to wake up those who may never have heard or read anything about this stuff - I just started researching  it a few years ago myself - it really is a culture shock as well as feeling like someone slapped you in the face at the same time they're pouring a bucket of ice water over you...  :-?

The members here at CP seem to be independent,intelligent thinking & self-motivated - otherwise they wouldn't want to own their own property,& build their own homes, look for alternative ways of building, saving, recycling, energy use, etc.  If we want to keep the freedom to do these things, the best way IMHO is to keep informed...  :)

Totally new country might be fun!

I also followed a few links to these:

http://canada.usembassy.gov/content/can_usa/northamericancommunity_TF_final.pdf

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=50618


Wow, I am shocked now. So few people know about this although looking back, I could see something happening and I'm sure I'm not alone.

The implications are mind boggling.

QuoteTotally new country might be fun!

that depends on our "controllers"  ::) - although I can't say much for our current leaders...  at least I think we still have some say-so in our country...  :-/

The new legislative body that gave in at least one house equal weight to the former nations making up the union, for instance.

For at least the first fifty years the presidency would rotate among the former nations.

We might not love it, but it would be different!

It might be the old Chinese curse brought to vivid life--

What's the big deal? Sounds like life as usual to me. The US, Mexico and Canada are each other's biggest trading partners. So yes, they enter into trade agreements which establish the ground rules for trade between them. Despite the agreements, there are bound to be disputes from time to time. Having agreed-upon dispute resolution mechanisms in place ahead of time helps keep those minor disputes from blowing up. The three nations share lengthy borders so they have shared security concerns. Canada and the US have cooperated in defense for decades, partnering in NORAD since the fifties. Now that the USSR is no longer enemy number one and there are many more potential threats, the US is increasingly concerned about attacks from other sides. Hence the desire to bring Mexico into the defense partnership.

Or as the document MIEDRN links to puts it...

QuoteNorth America, in short, is more than an expression of geography. It is a partnership of sovereign states with overlapping economic and security interests

(Note the use of the word "sovereign" there. I didn't see anything about merging the three countries.)

Quite a few big deals.  Corporate heads continue to get giant pay increases while blue collar workers pay heads faster toward the poverty level is one thing.  We cannot drive a truck into Mexico but they are free to roam here as they please.  A cheap labor force - read slave - is making it hard for Americans to keep a job that will support the family unless they are  well up the ladder or politicans supporting the growing fascist state.

I watched a manufacturing company I subcontracted for drop all their welders who got from 12 to $14 per hour years ago and replace them with 6 to $8 per hour welders - some could speak english.  Great for Corp. officers - not good for the working guy trying to raise a family even though he had a good trade.

The agreement being spoken of is not good for the working class but is great for corporate America.  Most of us are working class -

Most of the protections the government claims they are going to give us are a direct result of our warmongering for oil and power - invading sovereign states around the world as our installed leadership sees fit.  We don't even have a legal voting system here.  The supreme court installs politicians and uncheckable voting machines keeps them in office --- it doesn't matter who is installed as the choices offered would not change the elites desired policy anyway.

If there is a place for negotiaions with a qualified leadership, it is in dealing with other countries around the world for their resources -- business deals instead of killing thousands of civilians and controlling or taking as we see fit.  Our sons and daughters are cannon fodder for the war machine of the elite.

Fascism has controlled our foreign policy for years and years.  It is not for making the common mans life better.

Here's a couple more links, Bart, if you are still an unbeliever... I'd like to hear you address the specific issues that are cited in these articles if you would be so kind to take the time - I am most interested in hearing all sides of the story - any solid evidence to back things up is welcomed - I'd rather think everything was hunky dory in the world  :)

Globalization:  The Final Demise of National Security (http://www.augustreview.com/index.php?module=pagesetter&func=printpub&tid=4&pid=12)

The Globalization Strategy:  America & Europe in the Crucible (http://www.augustreview.com/index.php?module=pagesetter&func=viewpub&tid=4&pid=13)

Thanks Bart, I'm looking forward to being convinced that all is well!  ;)

The concerns with terrorism are more of a method to keep the people in line and and giving up their rights.  Every terror alert or incident is usually when the administration has just sunk to a new approval low.  HELP ME ---- please --Oh great and wonderful muslim fighter, Bush.  Britain, being in on the gag, has the same things happen --- what are the chances of both Britain and the US running disaster drills on the same day - time and hour as the actual 9-11 and British bombings on the same buildings? --- millions to one.

Hitler had the Reichstag fire  (he had it set).  We have 9-11 which has more than enough circumnstantial evidence to indicate that our administration at least ignored or possibly assisted.  History is full of examples of this type of action by  government and banking interests.  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Northwoods

The Lusitania--excerpt from  http://www.strike-the-root.com/4/smith/smith5.html

"As Murray Rothbard has noted, the country had been in recession during 1913 and 1914 – high unemployment, with many factories operating at only 60% capacity.   The Morgan empire in particular had been losing money in railroads and had lost out to Kuhn-Loeb in the market for industrial finance.  [3]

The Morgans had always been closely connected to the Rothschild financial empire in Europe.  When war in Europe broke out, the House of Morgan, in partnership with the Rothschilds, became the American sales agent for English and French war bonds.  When the money came back to the States to acquire war-related materials, it was funneled through Morgan as the U.S. purchase agent.  From 1915 to 1917, J. P. Morgan arranged for $3 billion in exports to France and England, earning a commission of $30 million. [4]  As historian Thomas Fleming has dryly noted, the U.S. became a branch of the British armament industry during the first 32 months of its neutrality. [5]

But it was a precarious feast.  If the Allies should lose, American investors would sustain huge losses and Morgan's business would nosedive.  Getting the U.S. into the war would extend the financial windfall, but the American public opposed involvement by ten to one.

In May 1915, the British passenger ship Lusitania gave war hopefuls a much-needed boost.  Nearly 1,200 passengers, including 128 Americans, lost their lives when a German U-boat torpedoed it off the coast of Ireland.  With its hold stuffed with U.S. munitions contraband, the Lusitania exploded a second time and sank in less than 18 minutes.  As Griffin documents meticulously, British and American officials did everything in their power to make Lusitania a sitting duck.

With Morgan-controlled newspapers beating the drums for American participation, Wilson finally got his war on April 16, 1917.  Eight days later, Congress extended $1 billion in credit to the Allies.  The British took their initial advance of $200 million and paid it to Morgan.  When they ran up an overdraft of $400 million three months later, Morgan turned to the U.S. Treasury for help. Treasury Secretary William McAdoo stalled until Benjamin Strong, the Fed's main man, came to his rescue and paid Morgan piecemeal during 1917 - 1918.  Where did Strong get the money?  He simply created it."

FEMA was already on duty to assist with the disaster recovery the night before it happened.  http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/fematape.html
http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/fema.rm Audio interview.

If terrorism were a real concern the open borders would be locked up tighter than a bulls bum in fly time...not porous to allow a cheap workforce for corporate America.

You could argue that open borders allow cheap labor so we can buy goods cheap -- but possibly our standard of living will be so low we can't even afford cheap goods.  CEO's income continues to increase.

And speaking of terrorism.

There's this fun piece--starts out with a totally improbable but amusing scenario--DIY biodiesel and ammonium nitrate in an airplane lavatory--compares it to the process that the guys in England were supposed to be planning.  Process would have taken hours and hours, a good percentage of it while actually working--and tying up the lavatory.  (By the way, a lot of them didn't even have passports--couldn't have gotten onto a plane at all)

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/david-goldstein/another-terrorist-plot-re_b_27552.html

Great posting Amanda -- our pres. can only cry wolf so many times before people start to realize it comes whenever he hits a new low.  Hope he doesn't decide he actually has to make another actual event any time soon.

On another front---- another terrorist plot was foiled in east L.A. when an illegal alien terrorist was caught trying to blow up a bus.  The plot failed when he burned his lips on the exhaust pipe. :-/

omygosh, Glenn!  

(what an image   ;) )

Good article, Amanda  ;)

And Glenn  ::)  ;)

That was exceptional, even for the Huffington Post collection of blogs.

Canada  should be scared half to death with any union that strengthens ties to the USA.

Canada has it's flaws...Some people hate that there is socialism in Education healthcare and Pensions...But Canada pays it's bills and it Balances it's budget every year...what is more Canada has been paying off it's national debt at an alarming rate and will be out of debt completely within 40 years at the current pace...There is a light at the end of the tunnel for Canada and there is economic freedom...

For all the flag waving and patriotism of the USA...They are completely at the other end of the spectrum financially....War after war.. all the bombs and planes that the USA gives to Israel...It costs a lot of money...Policing the world has left the coffers empty in America...

For the last 6 years under Bush there has been a record deficit each and every year and the Debt is completely out of control...They could not pay it off if they tried in a couple hundred years...Even if they stopped making nukes and tanks...We are talking trillions and trillions in debt...

Which leaves America in shambles...Foreign currencies grow stronger against the greenback...Foreign banks want nothing to do with us debt, and their currency.

America has 12 times the population of Canada and thus a much larger economy....But that does not mean a healthier economy!

I see a Canada/USA union something like when Ford bought out Volvo....Volvo was performing well it had a lot going for it...But it was a smaller scaled business compared to ford....Ford is a trainwreck headed for bankruptcy if drastic action is not taken....Buying Volvo was a short term attempt to keep the lights and heat turned on by Ford.

Canada would be foolish to embrace the USA and their huge insurmountable economic problems...

Economics are going to be the guns of the 21st century...This is the only reason the USA would want to tap into Canada's vast resources, and strong economy

But, but, benevolance, uh...

Canada thinks that health is a matter of national importance.

They can't be more advanced or more stable than we are if they think that.

Can they?

::)

But Peter, while America is going broke, Bush and his facist cabal are raking in the bucks.  War makes billionaires even richer if they know what they are doing.  War is a tool for transferring taxpayers money into corporate pockets until there is nothing left for anything -- but that doesn't matter if you are in the right place. :-/

Sassy, I'll happily read those articles tomorrow and respond in a day or two. Sorry I haven't checked in for a couple days... was away clearing brush off my lot.

Amanda and Glenn

I lived in Canada for 28 years and the Healthcare is not perfect...There are waiting lists for minor surgeries...It could be tweaked slightly..It is better than what is here in America I am finding out though....Insurance for me is $600 a month here in SC! So I am hoping for good luck and no injury that will threaten my life...If I break my arm tomorrow I have to say I would put myself on the greyhound bound for Canada and get it fixed when I got back....Just grit my teeth and endure the 2 days of pain on the bus.

Glenn

Speaking  of war....How funny it is that the League of nations was born because of Napoleon...Ditto for the UN...Because of Hitler... The plan was that no one army would be greater than the combined effort all civilized countries contributed to....

Only thing is that the USA does not subscribe to this theory and the rest of the world has allowed them to get away with what could not be tolerated in France and Germany not so long ago....

The human right violations are on a much smaller scale now than in Nazi Germany....But they are happening...People held without medical care... held without counsil...Without being charged... Direct disobediance of the UN and the red cross...

Countries being invaded and decimated...You know I thought of the speed and efficiency in which the German Army went through Holland, Belgium, Poland, France...and it was a lot like America Going into Iraq...Germany had a hard time holding france  as it caused massive insurgencies...Resistance....etc... not a lot different than what is happening in Iraq.

Yeah I know Hitler was bad and Bush is our Hero ::)..(looking overhead for helicopters)...It just amazes me what the Average american is willing to tolerate, accept and believe...I talked with a guy today that became furious when I laughed at him for believing that there are nukes still hidden somewhere in Iraq

I thought this country was founded around a set of ideals...you know that piece of paper....The Constitution...But even our freedoms take a backseat to the all massive consummation that is the US military...We have accepted it when they attack defenseless countries across the water....and now we accept it when they tap our phonelines and interrogate those that speak out against the government.

Even anti-war people in foreign countries realize that with the police state the US has become, major protest is pretty futile.  With Katrina, they have already proven that they have no second thoughts about bringing mercenaries and foreign military onto US soil.  http://www.guardian.co.uk/katrina/story/0,16441,1567656,00.html

Little stuff is let fly but anything major will be considered domestic terrorism with no right to representation - the key will be thrown away thanks to the patriot act - which most major politicians support --probably for their own protection.

the patriot act proves that bush has been one of the world's worst leaders in the last 100 years.. Not just the worst president of all time.

But --- the Patriot act does exactly what he wants it to do.  It completely negates what he called "Just a worthless GD piece of paper" --- what our founding fathers wrote to limit the power of wanna be dictators, the Constitution of The United States, and The Bill of Rights.

http://humor.beecy.net/politics/bushisms/dictator/

We need another Kennedy...Someone that will repeal the Patriot Act and severly cut Military spending....They will likely try to kill that guy also.

Kennedy put the Kabosh on segregation and was not going to allow Vietnam to happen...In Fact he was going to cut military spending for humanitarian programs..Social programs....

We all know what happened to him....

Glenn We are getting off lucky with the black Helicopters

I actually had 3 choppers over my place tonight------not too worried though -- I'm on approach to the airport.

(https://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d184/glennkangiser/P1000780.jpg)

Sassy, I started with the second article. The basic argument seems to be:

Premise 1: Globalization is evil/dangerous.
Premise 2: Regionalization will lead to globalization.
Conclusion: Therefore regionalization is dangerous.

Premise 1:

One problem with the argument is that the author doesn't define globalization. Typically it refers to economic integration and is characterized by free trade in goods and services. However, the author seems to have a different meaning:

Quotethe concept of globalization seems to rest on one central pillar: the consolidation of power

QuotePolitically, globalization represents the leveraging of power beyond that found in any one nation.

So it sounds like the author is getting at the idea of extreme political integration... maybe a single all-powerful world government.

I have no issues with economic integration; and, in fact I fully support free trade as the best and only proven method of lifting the world's masses out of poverty.

On the other hand, the idea of a single global government is frightening. I have two specific reasons why I think that, but I won't go into them now. I have no idea if my reasons are the same as the author's reasons because the author doesn't give any. "Globalization is evil" is just assumed as a fact without any justification.

Premise 2:

The author doesn't define regionalization/regionalism either. However, he spends a lot of time discussing the history of European integration. He also briefly mentions a future Asia-wide trading bloc. The point of these discussions seems to be that the only way for the USA to maintain its own dominance in world economic affairs is by taking on economic partners. And so he turns to North America...

QuoteAmerica, in order to counter the Europe it helped establish, now has to create a North American Community incorporating itself, Canada, and Mexico

Ok, but is talking about a political union, an economic union or something else? The next few quotes he provides makes it clear, refering to "the seamless movement of goods", "the creation of a single economic tri-national region", "a powerhouse North American trading area", "the most economically dynamic region", "economic and financial cooperation" and so on. Economic integration it is.

But then the author makes an abrupt leap from economic regionalism to political globalization...

QuoteRegionalism as a stepping-stone to globalization is the inseparable blending of politics and economics across the board.

No, most regional economic initiatives have (NAFTA, ASEAN, Mercosur, ...) have not involved any "political blending". The European Union is an exception.

QuoteThe bottom line is this: Just as politics and economics are bonded at the hip, regionalism and all it entails – including the unification of North America – fits part-and-parcel with the strategy of globalization.

Um, no, politics and economics are not bonded at the hip. Differences in political ideology don't prevent the USA and China from doing a couple hundred billion dollars worth of trade each year. And while regional initiatives could be steps in a globalization strategy, they could also just be what they appear to be: examples of regional cooperation and mutual development by friendly neighboring nations.

It is also strange that the author previously described the "global reality" we're facing:

QuoteIt's the shift from nationalism to globalization, via the European model of regionalism.

If that's the case then we really have nothing to fear. The European model of regionalism has NOT been copied anywhere else.

The only evidence presented in support of premise 2 is a brief quote from a former State Department official:

QuoteOn the "political side," consider what Richard N. Haass had to say when he was the Director of the Policy Planning Staff at the US Department of States back in 2002 ...

   "There clearly is a consistent body of ideas and policies that guides the Bush Administration's foreign policy. Whether these ideas and policies will evolve into a formal doctrine with a name, I'll leave to history to decide. But this coherence exists and can be captured by the idea of integration.

   In the 21st century, the principle aim of American foreign policy is to integrate other countries and organizations into arrangements that will sustain a world consistent with U.S. interests and values.

   ...Integration is about bringing nations together and then building frameworks of cooperation and, where feasible, institutions that reinforce and sustain them even more.

   ...Integration reflects not merely a hope for the future, but the emerging reality of the Bush Administration."

Gosh, that sounds so sinister doesn't it? Spreading American values like democracy and freedom of religion. Building institutions like a free press, an independent judiciary, a basic school system? How could our leaders be so evil!!! Well, I guess the idea of promoting US interests does smack of selfishness, but it hardly suggests that globalization is the goal.

In short, I don't see any evidence in support of premise 2.

Ok, I'm running out of room here, to be continued...

Actually, the author spends a lot of time making otherwise innocuous quotes sound sinister:

QuoteMikhail Gorbachev, the last true master of the Soviet style of centralized power explains, "The time has come to develop integrated global policies."

Yes, but the author doesn't provide any context. Is Gorbachev talking about enslaving the human race or establishing postal standards?

QuoteZbigniew Brzezinski... the former National Security Advisor maintains that America's purpose for global engagement is "that of forging an enduring framework of global geopolitical cooperation"

Oh no, we wouldn't want that. War is much preferable to cooperation.

QuoteAnd tucked into the taskforce chairman's statement was a simple but vital comment; the "process of change must be properly managed."

And everyone reading that immediately thought "Well duh!"

So, the article comes across more as conspiracy fear-mongering than as a serious argument.


My last point is kind of off-topic. The author seems to regard the European Union as some kind of force of evil. Recall that he views the "global reality" as "the shift from nationalism to globalization, via the European model of regionalism." I wonder if he realizes just how comparable the EU is to the USA? They are both organizations of states with constitutions, houses of government, central banks and supreme courts. They have comparable geographics areas, populations, gross economic output and numbers of member states. If the European Union is such a mistake, then is the American union also a bad idea? Hey, just askin'. Should the US have limited its membership to the original 13? Or stopped with the Louisiana purchase? Maybe the USA should split apart. Perhaps there could be a separate United Blue States of America and United Red States of America?

QuoteWe cannot drive a truck into Mexico but they are free to roam here as they please.

Glenn, this BBC article from 2001 says the exact opposite... http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/1282559.stm

QuoteDespite US refusal to allow Mexican trucks into the US, American freight hauliers are able to operate freely south of the border.

I don't think that is correct, Bart.  When I used to truck we used to have to go to freight forwarding warehouses in the border towns - unload and let the Mexican trucks take it down.  You could take your truck across into Mexico for fuel out of El Paso, but it may not always make it back across the border with you after it was filled up.

This seems to indicate that it transfers both ways as of 2002 but they were working on clearing Mex trucks here and I saw one going through Fresno a few weeks ago.  I assumed it was already in operation.

From: http://ops.fhwa.dot.gov/freight/freight_analysis/world_trade_brdg/index.htm
Most (up to 90%) of the truck traffic at the World Trade Bridge in Laredo consists of "drayage." That is, short distance shipments between warehouses in Laredo and Nuevo Laredo. Typically, long distance trucks in either Mexico or the United States unload their cargos at a warehouse where it is transferred to a short haul truck for the trip across the border.

ABF indicates it's both ways.  Mexican truck in Fresno must have been lost??
http://www.abfs.com/rteguide/mexico/faqmex.asp?bhcp=1

Bart...
Your arguments sound logical on the surface, but I don't believe we can take politics & economics at face value - just look throughout history & you will see what the ultimate goal that most fuedal lords, kings, queens, emperors, dictators (Bush?  :-? ) & many of our own political leaders had in mind... power & money.  Land = power & money.  Policies, laws, speeches, agreements ad infinitum can sound so nice & good for the people, good for the country, good for the world (Hitler  :o)... but again, look back at history.  I don't believe in conspiracy theories - I try to gather all the data, & maybe the article you are citing comes from a different world view/philosophy than you have so there may be subtle inferences that I see that you don't.  It's difficult to put on paper these huge subjects in the short spaces we have here & do them justice.  But again, I say, look at history - "those that do not remember history are destined to repeat it..."

This one's for you, Benevolance...
Threat!  Canadian Garbage!!!   ::) Garbage in, Garbage Out (http://www.thebulletin.org/article.php?art_ofn=ja06schollmeyer)   Found this article in the Bulletin of Atomic Scientists... was surprised that with all the open land in Canada, they truck their garbage down to a Detroit, Michigan landfill!   ;)

Sassy

The city of toronto has had garbage problems for years...Part of the problem is the massive growth Toronto is experiencing....

The other problem is Nimby....You know...Not in my back  yard...Tree huggers and protestors have prevented several attempts to build long term landfills...Each time the tree huggers assemble and try to put the kabosh on it...

Which always makes me laugh...We all like to eat, drink, be merry.. shower and flush the toilet...Yet we seem to think that someone else should have to deal with the Sewage and rubbish caused by our standard of living.

Toronto has several active and advanced green recycling programs...Green bins and Blue Boxes...They are not a recent trend...Because of the garbage problem Toronto has had these widespread recycling programs for at least a decade.... the green bins are for food wastes, and the blue box is for anything recycleable... like carboard, paper, plastics etc...

They have a great initiative for composting to keep leaves and oirganic material out of the landfills as well.

And despite all of these great programs people still refuse to allow a sewage treatment plant and dump near where they live.

I used to live a few miles from the dump back where I grew up and some people loved it and some people hated it....The seagulls were annoying...But it does create a lot of jobs!

As effective as a recycling program can be they are never going to cut out garbage completely...I think that in some green cities they have cut the amount of garbage going into the landfill by 40% but we still throw an awful lot away.

This scenario is playing itself out all over the world... The type of waste is different...But the nuke waste station out in the desert is the same sort of thing... nobody wants a radioactive dump near where they live...Even in the middle of the desert there are people lining up eager to chain themselves to bulldozers.

It is a shame though...Sewage treatment needs to be one of the top priorities of the planet...As we put more and more demand on the eco system and water table...The water we throw away that is polluted will become essential to us...We will have to recycle all of that water and re-use it in the near future....

We have seen in Europe that they recycle 90% of their sewage and re-use the water....It is only a matter of time until the whole planet follows along

The other thing that needs to happen is that Fossil Fuels need to get a little more expensive...Because in a few places on the planet they are composting landfill garbage under pressure and making diesel fuel....This process will improve and the scale and scope of it will grow expotentially....

Hopefull we will be turning our landfill waste into cheap clean Diesel Fuel within the next 20 years...

The reason I say that fossil fuels need to get a little more expensive is that.. as the price goes higher people keep looking for new sources of energy.. new ways to process fuel.... new ways to create fuels....Innovation is what drives society...Innovation is driven simply by need....So the higher the cost of fuel...The more need arises for innovation....

Ergo projects like Diesel out of landfill waste become viable and make sense.....This will happen it is just a matter of time.

Here's an article by Ron Paul of Texas - h's about the only politician that seems to tell it like it is...
Ron Paul's Texas Straight Talk - A weekly Column

A North American United Nations?

August 28,  2006    

Globalists and one-world promoters never seem to tire of coming up with ways to undermine the sovereignty of the United States. The most recent attempt comes in the form of the misnamed "Security and Prosperity Partnership Of North America (SPP)." In reality, this new "partnership" will likely make us far less secure and certainly less prosperous.

According to the US government website dedicated to the project, the SPP is neither a treaty nor a formal agreement. Rather, it is a "dialogue" launched by the heads of state of Canada, Mexico, and the United States at a summit in Waco, Texas in March, 2005.

What is a "dialogue"? We don't know. What we do know, however, is that Congressional oversight of what might be one of the most significant developments in recent history is non-existent. Congress has had no role at all in a "dialogue" that many see as a plan for a North American union.

According to the SPP website, this "dialogue" will create new supra-national organizations to "coordinate" border security, health policy, economic and trade policy, and energy policy between the governments of Mexico, Canada, and the United States. As such, it is but an extension of NAFTA- and CAFTA-like agreements that have far less to do with the free movement of goods and services than they do with government coordination and management of international trade.

Critics of NAFTA and CAFTA warned at the time that the agreements were actually a move toward more government control over international trade and an eventual merging of North America into a border-free area. Proponents of these agreements dismissed this as preposterous and conspiratorial. Now we see that the criticisms appear to be justified.

Let's examine just a couple of the many troubling statements on the SPP's US government website:

"We affirm our commitment to strengthen regulatory cooperation...and to have our central regulatory agencies complete a trilateral regulatory cooperation framework by 2007"

Though the US administration insists that the SPP does not undermine US sovereignty, how else can one take statements like this? How can establishing a "trilateral regulatory cooperation" not undermine our national sovereignty?

The website also states SPP's goal to "mprove the health of our indigenous people through targeted bilateral and/or trilateral activities, including in health promotion, health education, disease prevention, and research." Who can read this and not see massive foreign aid transferred from the US taxpayer to foreign governments and well-connected private companies?

Also alarming are SPP pledges to "work towards the identification and adoption of best practices relating to the registration of medicinal products." That sounds like the much-criticized Codex Alimentarius, which seeks to radically limit Americans' health freedom.

Even more troubling are reports that under this new "partnership," a massive highway is being planned to stretch from Canada into Mexico, through the state of Texas. This is likely to cost the US taxpayer untold billions of dollars, will require eminent domain takings on an almost unimaginable scale, and will make the US more vulnerable to those who seek to enter our country to do us harm.

This all adds up to not only more and bigger government, but to the establishment of an unelected mega-government. As the SPP website itself admits, "The Security and Prosperity Partnership of North America represents a broad and ambitious agenda." I hope my colleagues in Congress and American citizens will join me in opposing any "broad and ambitious" effort to undermine the security and sovereignty of the United States.

I dunno about the Highway project...I mean they build roads all the time...Many of them are from one country to another...The Alaskan Highway is one such Example...I do not see anyone advocating they close it down or Blow it up to save america from the terrorists? :o

People forget that as populations grow more roads get built....Much of the land in texas is fringe land that is barely sustainable for grazing...It is not like we are talking prime real estate through Hollywood here. This is the other side of the same coin when we get upset that a massive irrigation project gets shuished because a tree might be threatened that a spotted red owl once perched on.. or some foolishness.

We cannot stand in the way of progress...to those that do not want progress I advocate you need to go get spayed or Neutered so as to not increase the population through procreation...

We use the roads our fathers and grandfathers built and our children and grandchildren will use the new roads we build...it is a inevitable cycle.

as Robert Frost Said"

"From you the road receives, A priming coat of leaves
And so on into winter, till even I have ceased
To come as a foot printer or only some slight beast
So mously or so foxly, Shall print there as my proxy."

I am not in love with this international border thing...I am not in love with this one country for the continent thing either...But they are going to build more roads, more irrigation pipelines...Run more powerlines....These things are unstoppable

Anybody know where I can find a good painless spay or neuter clinic.   :-/

Take me back to 1900 -- Peter -- are you sure the nuts gotta go?

That Google Ads follow service is somethig else ----

I got this

http://www.augustreview.com/

and

http://www.planters.com/

OK - maybe I'm stretching the last one a bit but it is a cool little site -- happens to be their anniversary and who could be more dear to us than Mr. Peanut?

Note:  Mr. Peanut is owned by a tobacco co - did I just plug a corporation?


     

RJR Nabisco/RJ Reynolds Tobacco
RJR Nabisco was the #2 tobacco company and #1 cookie and cracker maker in the country before beginning a slow and complex restructuring in 1999. Since then, Nabisco has merged with Kraft Foods under tobacco giant Philip Morris, and RJ Reynolds has shifted its focus back to tobacco exclusively. RJ Reynolds and other tobacco companies have spent much of the last decade defending themselves in court—with less than impressive results of late. A 1998 settlement with the attorneys general of several states cost the industry a whopping $246 billion. The U.S. Justice Department also is pursuing legal action against the industry.

Looks like a cash cow for the states and FED.

Glenn

I get annoyed when tree huggers have 8 children...It is a contradiction...man and wife equal two people...any more children than 2 and those 2 people are single handedly responsible for global population increases...Simple as that...

I don't care what your beliefs are...Just try not to be a hippocrit....People want to save the rainforest but they drive a SUV have 8 kids....Nice way to stay true to a cause...

Or a vegan that wears leather boots

As for the nuts...they can stay and you get fixed....Super easy...We use to use a funky looking pair of pliers looked like giant bolt cutters on the Steers at the farm....Pinching they called it...

Grab a testicle...Pinch the Vas Defferins off of it...The Testicle no longer works... You may want to do the steers young or it will take 4-5 guys to hold steer....

This is not a pain friendly technique though for humans... ;D

Do not know much about the female anatomy... on the farm we only fixed the males....

The old farmer I worked for used to neuter cats ...Stick them in a rubber boot head first and cut the testicles out.... then put crelin on them to disinfect...the cat would try to go forward in the rubber boot and not be able to escape...I always thought it kinda cruel...It worked though..I never had the stomach to try it....

I learned to give needles to sick pigs and Cows...To remove a Cyst here and there apply a few stitches...I just could not do anything intentionally cruel to a animal....Other than eat it... ;D

The world as a whole is still growing in population but it has slowed considerably....All of Europe, Russia, North America and Australia have declining populations...China and India are slowing down considerably...Still growing, but within reason....As Some of the poorest African Countries start to achieve a minimum of stability and growth their populations growth rates have slowed too....Hopefully we will see a stabilized or slightly declining population for the world within 25 years.

Please leave your special tools home when you come to visit. :-/

I thought the US had already exported enough experimental diseases to stabilize the world population.  How about the recent mailing of bird flu samples without telling anyone to labs all over the world as proof.  Helps to sell a lot of worthless Tamiflu to the tax payers --- several billion dollars worth--- and Rummy can't help it if he still has stock in the company that receives royalties from it.  It's kind of a windfall.   :-/

I worked at my uncles on de-horn and nut day as a kid once.  KRS and salt to stop the bleeding - ouch.

Glenn...

Talking about throwing salt on a wound.... ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

Sorry could not resist....If in a pinch...Sorry hehe...When you nut the bulls.. use sugar to stop the bleeding...It works quite well if you  do not have creelin

Salt...That would be cruel....Help against infection.. but man ouch

Oh an BTW

Went to look at the house today...Spent several hours with the level and the tape measure....

Made an offer on it...Should know something by Tuesday....ish!

Might need your brick reworking expertise...The house has one issue...It is on 45 columns...No foundations here.... not usually....A couple of them have sagged at the front and the house is a inch out of plum all along the front... Which has caused some brick to pull a little... I will have to get into the 3 foot high crawlspace...Bottle jack it up all along the front and  either shim the columns or replace them...And once it is plum again...Rework some of the brick on the front of the house...I want to re-use the existing brick...80 year old home the brick has that unmistakeable aged look to it...Gorgeous.

Wiring has all been updated...It has all the appliances...All kinds of antique light fixtures and a cool chandelier in the living room..The hardwood floors need to be recovered but in excellent shape with little to no scracthing... The doors are solid oak...Which you just cannot get anymore...So are the kitchen cupboards....Not press board oak or Oak Veneer... Old time Porcelin sink and bluish marble countertop.... The windows are 80 years old but all in good shape....The house mainly needs cleaning and it is liveable now... no plumbing issues or anything like that...Repair/replace the front columns the house is sitting on...And upgrade the house to central air....And it would be very nice...Eventually it would get a green tin roof when the shingles give out...And then new windows....Other than that there is nothing it could need in the next decade... or even a couple of decades...

So yeah we liked it alright ;)

Was a pretty good day overall...The house has 6 bedrooms not 5...And there are 4 existing fireplaces....2 were covered over...Plus there is a small creek running on the back of the lot....

My wife might forgive anything I might someday do to annoy her if they accept our offer...I kind of lowballed them a little...Dunno; the place has been for sale for several months and they have already lowered the asking price 25,000...What is another 13,000 I always say.... I offered 52,000 I am willing to go 55,000.... Hopefully they accept my first offer :)

Neighbor of the house was out mowing we talked to them...Said that a lot of people had looked and put in offers until they found out about the house needing the columns repaired....They all got scared and withdrew their offers...

Local contractor wants 23,000 to replair the front columns...well they want to jack the whole house up... remove the existing columns and put new ones in all under the  house...

But they are a joke...They estimated $3,000  just to haul a couple truck loads of bricks away from the property...Typical construction job where 8-10 guys show up a couple pieces of machinery.. talk, drink coffee, talk on the cell phone...Look at the problem...Talk some more, more coffee... lunch.... still no work done and 10 guys there at $40 an hour and the machinery is $75 an hour....etc...


I don't know that their method will work out any better in the end than me using a industrial bottle jack repairing the columns that need repairing and letting the house back down..... My method will suck... me laying on my belly in the crawl space with a small spade and a floodlight...digging, jacking with the bottle jack...Laying brick and pouring cement... all on my belly...

But still a couple long days and $1000 should do it....No way that is worth $23,000!  Some people out there think that they are pretty special...But no man is worth thousands upon thousands a day....I don't care if the guy is the president....We are all just men(and women ;)..) What one of us can do.. all of us should be able to do.

Wow.. I have been here just sitting thinking about it for the last 3 hours...Intoxicating...I don't know if it is because I love old houses or the thought of sharing it with my wife....It was hard to sleep last night....Dunno if I will get much tonight either. Was it like this for you and sassy when you bought the underground headquarters?
-Peter

We were pretty excited about it - we didn't have a house here to think about fixing up but there were lots of things to do.  
Things just sort of grew here as we made plans for survival and necessity -checked out the resources and decided on what we could do with what we had.

Sounds like you may have found a great place.  As you stated - the repairs should not be a problem - just take them one thing at a time.  As far as bricks go - I am probably better at tearing them down them keeping them up but am working on a historic brick building now and have been around blockwork as well as a little brick myself.  Possibly we can get a thread going here on brickwork that we can all benefit from.

Quote by Benevolance:

"But still a couple long days and $1000 should do it....No way that is worth $23,000!  Some people out there think that they are pretty special...But no man is worth thousands upon thousands a day....I don't care if the guy is the president....We are all just men(and women Wink..) What one of us can do.. all of us should be able to do."

Glenn said to tell you he's worth that much...  ::)  no lack of ego there...  ;)

When we found this property after looking all day at other pieces of land, we both knew, "this is it, we gotta have it!"  We were at the realtor's when the doors opened to put in our bid & put down money on escrow - the property had just gone off escrow that very day as the people who were going to buy it were afraid that the amount of water the new well pumped wasn't enough & their offer was contingent on the well production.  Glenn, having drilled wells for years, knew it wasn't a problem - and we never have had a problem with our 2700 gal water tank up the hill.  

We hiked all over the property exploring - looking at good places for building - I thought it was one of the most beautiful places - with all the views, it seems like it is really secluded but yet we are only 4 miles from town.  

The house you are looking at to buy sounds really neat!  Lots of great features.  Glenn's brother jacked his parents home up - it was quite a job but he did it.  I don't know how much it was off.

But Peter, if we get the North American Union, we might not have the Constitution of the United States - I am all for getting along with my neighbors to the south & north & promoting "free trade" but I am totally against disposing with the Bill of Rights...  (had to bring it back to topic!  ;) )

Sassy

I am against anything that lessens the rights of any idividuals of any country...The more power the government have the closer we become to the dark ages.

The funny thing about this universal country or trade union is that the rights of all the people would be violated...Canadians would get raked over the coals just as badly as Americans....

It is a bad idea all around when they start changing the constitution....Or the bill of rights.... America is 200+ years old the constitutionand  bill of rights work...Are they perfect... maybe not.. but they have enabled this country to grow and the people in it to form a civilized society....Any new agreement the government would make that could possibly change the current system must be treated as an attempt to remove the safeguards of freedom for the people by the people...etc...

Sassy,

I wish I had acreage at this site.. but just not possible with my limited budget right now...I just wish it was Tuesday so I could go to the bank and try to get it finalized....

Well I am not sure about what Glen is worth...But Machinery is expensive and it costs a fair bit to operate it and keep it running etc... The problem I have is when you hire someone to do a renovation job and they have 3 machines where 1 would suffice...And of course each machine is $100+ an hour....In any field people try to exploit their position to rip consumers off that do not know better...

If the going rate for a dozer is $200 an hour where you live and Glenn Charges the rate and does as much work or more per day than the next guy I think that he will have lots of happy customers....We all like a good value...But in truth we know life is expensive....All most people ask is that someone works hard to make sure they get a fair value for the money they are paying to have work done.... I imagine it is the same there as it is here.

It was getting bad in Canada with the Septic tank installation...2 days to put a tank in for a labourer and a machine operator...$25,000 for the Job and $8,000 of it was pure profit....That was the standard operating procedure for most companies.... they would install at least 2 systems a week and make $15,000 a week....For 6 months a year....

Small one or two man companies making $500k profit per year seems pretty excessive to me... Maybe it is because I work my arse off for a fraction of that....I just do not think it makes sense that an average working man has to save 6 months salary to get a septic system installed that takes 2 days....That ratio is nowhere near in line

Even if you look at the profit for the septic system...of $8000....That is several months salary for most people for 2 days of work....

unreal

Trans Texas Corridor route would remove thousands of farm acres from production.  The contract is outsourced to Cinta from Spain.  http://southwestfarmpress.com/news/092106-texas-corridor/

http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/z?c109:H.CON.RES.487:

IN THE HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES

September 28, 2006

Expressing the sense of Congress that the United States should not engage in the construction of a North American Free Trade Agreement (NAFTA) Superhighway System or enter into a North... (Introduced in House)

HCON 487 IH

This link takes you to a brief history of behind the scenes & current plans for the

the 'North American' Agenda (http://www.eagleforum.org/psr/2006/sept06/psrsept06.htmlPursuing)

It also reiterates the huge outrage that American citizens expressed with the proposed purchase of 22 ports-of-entry by the Dubai company several months ago... or was it last year?  Anyway, the fact is, 80% of our ports are owned & run by foreign companies  :o

This is just some info that might be pertinent to "owner-builders" as they plan & dream & purchase land & build  :-/

Well I do not think that America has the right to complain about foriegn ownership of their ports or corporations..

We go into places like The USSR and preach capitalism...And the UNited states invests and owns huge portions of projects in the past like the Suez and Panama Canals...

Lucrative oil and mineral deals in Poor "developing" countries in Africa and South America...Where American companies own the mineral rights..And the local people are mired in Poverty despite being surrounded by massive amounts of priceless resources...

This is merely a small sample of the other edge of the same sword...

When Huge Chavez or some other leader nationalizes their oil industry we hate it...We paint them as the Anti Christ... Why then should we be able to cry foul when foriegn investors buy up valueable real estate or companies of extreme importance...

I guess it is only fitting when someone else gets bent over at our expense instead of the other way around.

Pure straightforward capitalism enslaves the weak and poor as much today as someone chained up in a cottonfield in Alabama 200 years ago. The problem is that People in America refuse to see that this society is living on borrowed time...That the US Government has been writing cheques that cannot be cashed for years now....The staggering yearly deficits and insurmountable debts just keep getting worse. It has started to devalue the American Dollar against every other world currency...And it is affecting America's credit rating.

Michael Moore pointed out something that should be alarming in his 911 movie...that 8% of the entire stock US exchange was owned by Saudi investors... one country with few people controls a signifigant amount of the US economy... And this trend is getting worse...

Even the Roman empires fell eventually folks

(https://i36.photobucket.com/albums/e44/kathykrn/naftadees.jpg)

What a beautiful site!  The Security & Prosperity Partnership plans for the "Super Hwy" coming to a town near you!  

cute picture, in any case!

;)

INVASION USA
Feds seeking 7 years for another Texas copDeputy sheriff convicted for violating civil rights of fleeing illegal alien (http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=54533)

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2007/03/04/wroad04.xml  

Texans fear US sovereignty will disappear down superhighway

James Langton in Temple, Texas

Even if you don't really care if this country keeps its sovereignty by going on the way it's going, that superduperhighway idea is atrocious.

And about 35 years out of date.  Not to mention splitting the country in two or three.  

If they really wanted to do it right, four or so railroad tracks would use less energy, probably get more use as oil peaked and became much more expensive.  With, not roads passing over it, but underpasses--and run the rails more or less above ground when possible.  Putting containers or trailers on the rail cars.

There are a handful of science fiction stories set in some basically post-holocaust world.  In them people sometimes go from one place to another using the remnants of some kind of superhighway, amazed at what their forefathers had built.  This thing might be in that condition before it even gets built!

MtnDon, have you looked at any of the links posted here?

QuoteMtnDon, have you looked at any of the links posted here?

Oh, yes Sassy. I have. I simply haven't been able to put together a printable comment. Till now.   :)

Reaction from a few states
http://www.newswithviews.com/DeWeese/tom83.htm

More on the "Amero"
http://www.amerocurrency.com/

(this thread seems to have much in common with...
http://www.countryplans.com/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl?num=1177694637 )

Im in the latest rust buckets company's that made parts for the big three auto makers,while the honda plant in maryssville keeps growing ,went up on a hill overlooking the once mighty Bethlehem steel company to the rusting plants in Chicago.textile mills new england and mid Atlantic..my time in this area is limited but the tension in those I work with is high.printing now all done down in another country?

Destruction of the Mexican Peso 1910-2006 (http://www.augustreview.com/news_commentary/general/the_destruction_of_the_mexican_peso%3a_1910-2006_2006110313/)

Interesting article on currency destruction - wonder what's happening to the US dollar?

Hugo Salinas Price, president of La Plata in Mexico, gives a succinct history of how the central Bank of Mexico destroyed the value of the Mexican Peso. In light of the proposed North American Union, which will join the economies of Mexico, Canada and the U.S. together, understanding currency destruction is essential!

John Maynard Keynes: "Lenin was certainly right, there is no more positive, or subtle means of destroying the existing basis of society than to debauch the currency. By a continuing process of inflation, governments can confiscate secretly and unobserved an important part of the wealth of the citizens. The process engages all the hidden forces of economics on the side of destruction, and does it in a manner that not one man in a million can diagnose" (Economic consequences of the Peace)  (I am indebted to Bill Murphy of GATA, for this quote, at www.lemetropolecafe.com)  article continued at link above

http://www.augustreview.com/news_commentary/north_american_union/giuliani_linked_to_nafta_superhighway_2007051459/

I guess Rudy Giuliani's lawfirm is representing Cintra, the company from Spain who have contracted with the politicians to build the trans Texas corridor.

I like the Highway....Looks great....

Might bring some economic development to the area

I would prefer a rail line being built where passenger trains could travel on the tracks as well as freight...

I believe that trains should eclipse long haul truckers for moving freight...Cleaner for the environment....We could reduce dependency on fossil fuels as well....

Instead of massive road monstrosities like the one sassy posted I would like to see massive and I mean massive pipelines built for pumping water inland from the ocean....Where it could be de-salinated and used for irrigation, sewage treatment, drinking water, replenishing ground water levels...etc...

Water is going to be worth more and more... Investing in water infrastructure is never a bad idea.... We should be looking for ways to pipe more water inland cheaper...To grow more food and stabilize food prices worldwide...

As oil runs out and fuel costs get more insane...We will need cheap abundant food supplies to avoid world hunger...

We hear talk of a green economy...More water for the arid regions means more vegetation less land lost to desertification...Less pollution...

Texas is half coastline....Limitless potential for building irrigation and water pipelines.... Mexico has both sides surrounded by ocean.... California has massive access to the ocean...Arizona has close by salt water in the baja....

these states need to focus on securing massive amounts of water for future development...

we keep reading reports of lake levels at all time lows...Cities in the west running out of water like Phoenix and Vegas.... And at the same time ocean levels are going to rise because of global warming...

Why not use the extra sea water to quench the thirst of the west?

I am sure that for the cost of a new nucular submarine or an aircraft carrier we could build the infrastructure to double the amount of irrigated land in Texas and Arizona

We have the ability to generate massive economic booms in this country... solar power plants covering 7% of the land mass of arizona would power all of the USA.... :o

Yes it would be expensive to build at first....But when oil is $60 a barrel and we are importing 10 million barrels per day.....It adds up pretty fast

Harnessing the sun and using the water we have available wisely would create more jobs and churn out more economic growth than building super highways...

of course if a president announced that the money for new nukes and aircraft carriers was being diverted towards clean energy and water infrastructure ....I am sure that the friends of coal and oil would have him killed within minutes of the announcement...

Globalists To Formally Propose Merger Of U.S., Canada, MexicoNorth American Union to be presented to Congress by powerful think tank (http://www.infowars.com/articles/nwo/nau_globalists_to_formally_propose_us_canada_mexico_merger.htm)

PREMEDITATED MERGER
10,000 protesters expected at North America summit
Bush to attend meeting critics view as stepping stone to continental union

http://www.wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=56703

SPP "Security & Prosperity Partnership"

Public forums denied on upcoming SPP Summit

At least two highly visible citizen's organizations that intend to expose the activities of the Security and Prosperity Partnership may have been effectively shut down for the upcoming SPP Leaders Meeting in Montebello, Quebec on August 20-21.

The Council of Canadians, after renting a public facility in the Municipality of Papineauville (about 4 miles from Montebello), were bluntly informed by the hall's management that the RCMP (Royal Canadian Mounted Police), SQ (Security Quebec) and the U.S. Army will not allow their meeting even though it is scheduled on the day before the SPP meeting! (See Police nix meeting near world leaders)

[highlight]In fact, these security officials allegedly declared that they intend to enforce a 25 kilometer (about 15 miles) blackout around the Chateau Montebello where Bush, Harper and Calderon will be meeting to advance their agenda of "deep integration" of Mexico, Canada and the United States.[/highlight]

http://www.augustreview.com/news_commentary/north_american_union/public_forums_denied_on_upcoming_spp_summit_2007071270/

http://www.house.gov/list/speech/ca52_hunter/Nafta_hgwy_amendment.shtml

     HUNTER NAFTA SUPER HIGHWAY AMENDMENT PASSES HOUSE

Washington, D.C. – Late last evening, Congressman Duncan Hunter (R-CA) successfully offered an amendment to H.R. 3074, the FY2008 Transportation Appropriations Act, prohibiting the use of federal funds for participation in working groups under the Security and Prosperity Partnership (SPP), including the creation of the NAFTA Super Highway.  The Hunter amendment gained strong bipartisan support, passing the House by a vote of 362 – 63.

"The proposed NAFTA Super Highway presents significant challenges to our nation's security, the safety of vehicle motorists, and will likely drive down wages for American workers," said Congressman Hunter.  "Much like NAFTA, the super highway is designed to serve the interests of our trading partners and will lead to neither security nor prosperity.  

"This 12 lane highway, which is already under construction in Texas, will fast-track thousands of cargo containers across the U.S. without adequate security.  These containers will move from Mexico, a country with a record of corruption and involvement in the drug trade, across a border that is already porous and insufficiently protected.  con't at above link

Bravo!

http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/july2007/250707mayorsigned.htm  No "Conspiracy Theory": OKC Mayor Signed North American Union Document
Mayor Mick Cornett endorsed "The Declaration of North American Integration"
Ridiculing claims by the establishment media that the North American Union plan is a "conspiracy theory," an activist has brought to light a document signed by the Mayor of Oklahoma City, which was also approved by 90 other officials, that endorses an economic and political integration of the U.S. with Canada and Mexico.

Jerome Corsi has the goods,

   The endorsement by a major city mayor of a document described as "The Declaration of North American Integration" represents a long-term effort by local governments to bypass state and federal governments and work directly with Mexico and Canada to create agreements that integrate the continent below the radarscreen, charges an activist.

   Adam Rott, founder of watchdog blog Oklahoma Corridor Watch, brought to light the document signed by Mayor Mick Cornett.

   The document was presented at the May 2004 summit meeting of the North American International Trade Corridor Partnership, or NAITCP. According to an Internet-archived summary report of the meeting, held in Kansas City, Mo., the document was signed by 90 people.

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=56848
OKC mayor washes hands of North American Union
'It was a pretty stupid thing to get involved with'

http://www.freepressinternational.com/?p=160  Protests in Ottowa against the Security & Prosperity Partnership in Montebello, Quebec that started today - Bush, Canada's Harper & Mexico's Calderon are in attendance... their goal - to "harmonize regulations between Canada, US, & Mexico."  

So what does that mean to each country?  What will that do to our constitution?  Mostly NGO's (Peter, that stands for non-elected gov't officials  ;)  ) & corporate heads are attending - the general public has been barred from attending, there is a 25 kilometer barrier around the area & the US Army is helping to police it  :o  

What is so secret that the general public is not entitled to be privy to the information?