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Title: Pictures: Snow on Roofs
Post by: MountainDon on March 18, 2013, 07:55:59 PM
(https://i139.photobucket.com/albums/q305/djmbucket/oddsnends02/mini-03.jpg)

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(https://i139.photobucket.com/albums/q305/djmbucket/oddsnends02/mini-6a01347fe5eb48970c0148c8543371970c-800wi.jpg)

(https://i139.photobucket.com/albums/q305/djmbucket/oddsnends02/mini-1305976830Bfr3md.jpg)

(https://i139.photobucket.com/albums/q305/djmbucket/oddsnends02/mini-201121070134odsniezanie_profi-poz.jpg)

Title: Re: Pictures: Snow on Roofs
Post by: MountainDon on March 18, 2013, 07:58:07 PM
(https://i139.photobucket.com/albums/q305/djmbucket/oddsnends02/mini-roof-shoveling.jpg)

(https://i139.photobucket.com/albums/q305/djmbucket/oddsnends02/mini-Sloped02.jpg)

(https://i139.photobucket.com/albums/q305/djmbucket/oddsnends02/mini-snow-on-roof.jpg)

(https://i139.photobucket.com/albums/q305/djmbucket/oddsnends02/mini-04.jpg)

Title: Re: Pictures: Snow on Roofs
Post by: MountainDon on March 18, 2013, 07:59:42 PM
(https://i139.photobucket.com/albums/q305/djmbucket/oddsnends02/mini-IMG_0187.jpg)

(https://i139.photobucket.com/albums/q305/djmbucket/oddsnends02/ymini-snow_on_roof.jpg)

and one reason why some snow will build up, not slide off
(https://i139.photobucket.com/albums/q305/djmbucket/oddsnends02/zmini-icedam-diagram.jpg)
Title: Re: Pictures: Snow on Roofs
Post by: Ernest T. Bass on March 18, 2013, 09:57:29 PM
Awesome.. I've seen a few of those before, but they never get old. We've got up to another 20'' coming in the next couple days.. This time last year was in the 70s.
Title: Re: Pictures: Snow on Roofs
Post by: rick91351 on March 18, 2013, 10:29:15 PM
Is the house with the large Stay Puff Marshmallow sitting at top of it for real.
Title: Re: Pictures: Snow on Roofs
Post by: MountainDon on March 18, 2013, 10:46:56 PM
 ??? ???

LINK to source (http://newsforaliens.com/2011/02/09/snow-earth-weather%E2%80%99s-mayonnaise/)   click on image there for a larger image
Title: Re: Pictures: Snow on Roofs
Post by: MountainDon on March 18, 2013, 10:53:53 PM
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(https://i139.photobucket.com/albums/q305/djmbucket/oddsnends02/snow_web.jpg)
Title: Re: Pictures: Snow on Roofs
Post by: rick91351 on March 19, 2013, 12:08:31 AM
(https://i593.photobucket.com/albums/tt15/rick91351/RUSSELL/Pictures/2013-02-28%20South%20Dome%20Mt/48dd2f5c-14db-43d1-a389-4a831cc8af3f_zps7c9b068e.jpg)

A scant  266 miles away ;D
Title: Re: Pictures: Snow on Roofs
Post by: rick91351 on March 19, 2013, 12:19:58 AM
I have seen that photo a couple times of that poor snowed in house.  However I never have seen a history or anything about it like what, when or where.  Sort of puts our 120 lbs snow loads to shame in this country.   :D  I don't know how you even start to calculate the weight on that roof.  ???  I don't think I would sleep very well!

     
Title: Re: Pictures: Snow on Roofs
Post by: JRR on March 19, 2013, 08:26:41 AM
... got a little wind and hail yesterday.  No evidence today.

I haven't had the joy of experiencing much snow on roofs.  Has anyone ever tried laying down a cover of tarps before the snow, and then pulling it all down together afterwards?  .... just a thought.  Especially where an ice-dam might form.
Title: Re: Pictures: Snow on Roofs
Post by: rick91351 on March 19, 2013, 09:03:53 AM
Some of the snow country houses here now are being engineered for more mega snow loads.  They then concentrate on keeping the snow up there and slowly melting it off.  Come spring this is less taxing on the dwellings drainage and foundation it is felt.  This also allows for a more natural water shed you might say.  Plus they also toss out there the insulating qualities of snow.

Title: Re: Pictures: Snow on Roofs
Post by: UK4X4 on March 19, 2013, 10:03:48 AM
Makes my snow on the roof pics look boring !- love that completely covered one that looks like it has 20ft high snow on the roof

My place gets sun most of the day so the south side gets melted

The wind comes from the south east in most of the storms leaving the snow on the north sides-

We have had easily 6ft of snow this season- but the wind and sun do their job on keeping it moving and melting

Ours is usually also dry and powdery

Roof and building was engineered for the full 90# ground load- not adjusted for slope/material/exposure etc etc

View from the north west- with a light covering- unheated empty all season
(https://i56.photobucket.com/albums/g165/POshaughnessy/Colorado%20Powder%20Ridge/P3020001_zps5af292d5.jpg)
South side gets burnt off - we have clear blue skies when there's no winter storms
(https://i56.photobucket.com/albums/g165/POshaughnessy/Colorado%20Powder%20Ridge/P3020003_zps122e0d7e.jpg)
On the trailer its a flat roof- wind movement and the sun hitting the south side move the snow all to one side
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Title: Re: Pictures: Snow on Roofs
Post by: SouthernTier on March 19, 2013, 11:40:03 AM
How about this one:

(http://www.mvr1.com/timberframing/subalpinecabin1.jpg)


from this cabin building blog: http://www.mvr1.com/timberframing/timberframecabin.html
Title: Re: Pictures: Snow on Roofs
Post by: SouthernTier on March 19, 2013, 12:04:01 PM
That guy built his pretty stout (note, that's a porch in the front).

His neighbor not-so-stout:

(http://www.mvr1.com/timberframing/crushedcabinphoto.jpg)
Title: Re: Pictures: Snow on Roofs
Post by: Squirl on March 19, 2013, 12:43:07 PM
You know what I also don't see, collar ties or rafter ties.  I can see the bottom of the first six rafters and the tops of the middle seven rafters. Not a tie in sight.  Notice the top wall tilted outward. Rafter thrust.

But I'm sure "it had a steep pitched roof" so snow would just slide right off and they didn't have to worry about rafter ties.
Title: Re: Pictures: Snow on Roofs
Post by: MountainDon on March 19, 2013, 01:10:15 PM
 ;D ;D

another view of the cabin SouthernTier posted. Thing to remember is that is has a metal roof, a steeply pitched metal roof... 

(https://i139.photobucket.com/albums/q305/djmbucket/oddsnends02/MarkSnowCabin2larger.jpg?t=1363716397)
Title: Re: Pictures: Snow on Roofs
Post by: Ernest T. Bass on March 26, 2013, 09:53:12 AM
Alright, here's my contribution to the collection, taken yesterday of a lean-to off of our shop (it's about a 5' wall): (https://img.photobucket.com/albums/v667/AirsoftAndy/snowroof01_zpsa7947757.jpg)
Title: Re: Pictures: Snow on Roofs
Post by: Don_P on March 26, 2013, 10:17:39 AM
 [cool]
I was looking through old files last night and saw a couple of pics of decks torn off houses from that type of load coming down. In high snow regions think about them too, the 50 psf deck design load is replaced by the 90 lb snow load in UK's region for instance, then it would be a good idea to look up and see what else might come down.

As an aside we had a discussion awhile back about the practice of finishing out a subfloor with a narrow strip of ply or osb that doesn't lap well back onto the joists, tieing the rim to the floor joists as a unit with shear nailing. One of the pics of a deck failure showed the ends of joists, the rim had withdrawn and came off with the ledger, it was not well tied back to the floor. The new lateral connector requirement should help there but that narrow strip can indeed be trouble.
Title: Re: Pictures: Snow on Roofs
Post by: MountainDon on March 27, 2013, 02:23:19 PM
Wow!!  That is some curl!!
Title: Re: Pictures: Snow on Roofs
Post by: John Raabe on March 27, 2013, 03:05:08 PM
The photo of the ruined cabin that SouthernTier posted above (#13) is rather telling. Note that there is no structural sheathing in the walls - only horizontal boards nailed to studs. This provides very little lateral stability. The roof appears to have no ties of any kind - just a ridge board with rafters tacked to it and the wall plate. (It may be that there wasn't even a ridge board, I can't find one in the image but it is hard to imagine they would just tack the rafters together at the ridge!) Clearly, there was no roof sheathing to add strength and rigidity - they just nailed metal roof panels to the rafters.

Interestingly, the spindly post and pier foundation without benefit of any bracing at all has survived pretty well - better than the house above it. Of course all it would take would be the next heavy wind storm or earthquake to twist that down to the ground as well.

A real cascade of unthinking errors and sloppy work.