CountryPlans Forum

General => General Forum => Topic started by: nicholaseb on October 01, 2012, 08:21:14 PM

Title: Real quick question, with image, re pipe sleeves.
Post by: nicholaseb on October 01, 2012, 08:21:14 PM
Sleeve Pipe for waste pipe and water pipe - where does it go? Everything I read says in or below the footer. #1 or #2?

Thanks!

<a href="http://www.imagebam.com/image/1854c0213112050" target="_blank">(http://thumbnails104.imagebam.com/21312/1854c0213112050.jpg)</a>
Title: Re: Real quick question, with image, re pipe sleeves.
Post by: rick91351 on October 01, 2012, 09:08:37 PM
I have always went below the footing. 
Title: Re: Real quick question, with image, re pipe sleeves.
Post by: Redoverfarm on October 01, 2012, 09:26:04 PM
Extra care has to be used when going below the footing. If the natural compaction is disrupted it will cause the footing to settle causing a crack in the footing and ultimately the structure/wall above will settle as well.  A well sleeved (Sch 80) within the footing at a proper depth to avoid freezing might be a better approach.  I have done them both ways and personally seemed to be better satisfied with the mid footing approach.
Title: Re: Real quick question, with image, re pipe sleeves.
Post by: John Raabe on October 01, 2012, 09:54:02 PM
Local inspectors may have an opinion but I expect both could work... If you have a reinforced footing with a couple of 1/2" or 5/8" bars it will have no trouble spanning a narrow trench for a sewer or water pipe. If you are doing a thicker non-reinforced footing a sleeve poured in the footer will be unlikely to compromise the bearing strength of the footing.
Title: Re: Real quick question, with image, re pipe sleeves.
Post by: nicholaseb on October 02, 2012, 01:09:23 PM
Thanks guys!
Title: Re: Real quick question, with image, re pipe sleeves.
Post by: Redoverfarm on October 02, 2012, 01:21:46 PM
Quote from: nicholaseb on October 02, 2012, 01:09:23 PM
Thanks guys!

I failed to mention that when I run the sleeve through the footer I place a solid 4" concrete block on the bottom side for the sleeve to rest on.  It is hard to get the poured footing under that sleeve w/o leaving a airspace. Of course #5 or better rebar between the sleeve and top of the footer should be added.  One drawback is that with a sleeve there may be a possibility of water penetration if it is not sealed off around the inserted pipe and sleeve.
Title: Re: Real quick question, with image, re pipe sleeves.
Post by: rick91351 on October 02, 2012, 02:20:29 PM
One reason here that it is so much more common to go under is that the frost depth some years does reach down a long ways. 

Pretty much we use a lot of steel in the footings as well.

Hopes that helps.
Title: Re: Real quick question, with image, re pipe sleeves.
Post by: UK4X4 on October 02, 2012, 03:30:08 PM
or you go through the wall depending on what the heights are !

(https://i56.photobucket.com/albums/g165/POshaughnessy/Colorado%20Powder%20Ridge/IMAG0648.jpg)