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The only hint is you really don't want it.
And I know it is a plastic jug... what I mean is what is the contents of the jug.
Caused a lot of grief over the past couple days.
Compost tea?
or could be solidified fat with some drippings on top
Don, I know you know alot of people, but how'd you get my urine sample?
If it was greener I'd say you need a new head gasket ???
Quote from: Don_P on September 09, 2011, 10:41:31 PM
If it was greener I'd say you need a new head gasket ???
Actually, that can't be that far off. If there was more water than anitfreeze, the mix could end up looking like that...and it's approx 4 qts....
i'm guessing you have to drink that in a few hours as prep.
Quote from: NM_Shooter on September 09, 2011, 11:14:27 PM
i'm guessing you have to drink that in a few hours as prep.
Shooter, I think you may have got it :D
Is what they call "Go Lytely?"
rofl rofl Nah, that stuff doesn't have the top layer. :D I know, having downed a gallon on several occasions. That is coming up again in October/Novemeber. :( Not as bad as it seems and hopefully will continue to head off the even nastier possibilities if I didn't. Go Lytely is the name. Better than the old method IMO.
Answer on Monday. Mountain/Cabin time is here again. :) I have a new chainsaw to try out. Another Husqvarna 445. I decided I needed another so I can leave one at the cabin over winter for when we snow shoe in. We still have trees that need thinning. I need to keep a chainsaw for the Jeep so we can cut our way in as usually is necessary in spring. Sometimes have to cut our way out too. :o Chainsaw has nothing directly to do with the jug full of ...
Water and oil?.....from somewhere it shouldn't be?
If from an engine I would expect antifreeze too so probably wrong.
Went back and read the rest of the posts and looks like they are working on that one.
Forty years ago when I was pulling wrenches mostly for a hobby I too would suggest we pull the heads and take a look see. Or we might start looking for a newer block.
Next question on I've Got a Secret is --- Drum roll please ---- Oh okay that is enough.
Your coffee maker went bad?
Left overs from the blender you forgot to toss when you jaw was wired shut?
Okay my real guess:
Did it come out of your cistern?
Yeh, MtnDon, I knew Go Lytely was clear but had to take a wild guess when Shooter led me on a wild goose chase :D
Hmmmm.... let's see.
That thing that it is sitting on is either a trash can or a recycling bin, which is on the side of Don's city house. I think that is also sort of next to where he parks his trailer / jeep.
It's too clear to be anti freeze. Yeah... water and oil. But from where?
OK... final guess. Either bug or weed killer.
Yes, the picture is on my recycle bin right beside where I park the jeep.
A couple of days before that picture was taken/posted, I drove out of my driveway. About 6 to 7/10 of a mile later the Jeep coughed and chugged when I pressed on the gas to pickup speed. Then it quit. I coasted to a stop after armstrong turning it into a side street. It would restart but would not run unless the throttle was pushed way down, and then it was very rough and died immediately as my foot came of the gas.
I walked home, got in the Honda and drove over to my neighborhood service center. Told them where to pick it up. Pickup tow is free, or built into the business model. I did not feel like dealing with it; had too many other things that needed to be done before I tried to figure it out
Okay, that jug is mostly water with some crappy fuel floating on top. I had gas in my water. That was just a portion of what they removed from the Jeep gas tank. I'm astounded that it ran at all. It's anybodies guess as to where it came from. A slow build up over time? Sabotage, vandalism? I do not know, but I have a locking gas cap now. The last place I fueled up says no one else has reported a problem. Not sure they would admit it. The service center fuels up their own tow trucks at that same garage and have had no issues. The floating crap fuel does burn when siphoned off and pored on the driveway.
I've not been happy since the know it all government made us have 10% ethanol all year round. Ethanol is a water magnet. At least in the past we got a chance to burn it all off over the summer. So maybe that is a contributor to the issue. But if it's a build up problem it started since last winter as a load like I had in there would have frozen when parked up in the mountains for a couple of days in Jan/Feb cold weather.
This proves you can not run a car on water, no matter what some internet sites say.
That's a lot of water Don!
I'd say you have some local kids that need to be hung up by their Buster Browns.
I meant to point out that the tank top plate seal (where the fuel pump access is) was iffy. Looked like some slight fuel slosh out in one area. But there's no way that much water could have splashed up and into the tank. And I have smelt gas odor for some time if I fill to the brim. I was going to get around to it but it's a bother dropping the tank armor, then the tank.
It is hard to think of anywhere that amount could have come from. I have noticed since they started adultering fuel with food that I have not had a moisture problem in anything. Within normal (condensation) amounts the alky mixes the water and gas, seems to keep my filters and bowls clear of water. It doesn't help the mileage, parts, or world food situation though d*.
Re ethanol and water. Ethanol does attract water. Back home in too long freezing winters we used to add a small amount of some kind of alcohol to prevent gas line freezing. I think it was methanol. The problem we can run into today is that there is a limit to how much water ethanol can carry. It's about 5% IIRC. Then the water separates out, or stays out.
I am still dumbfounded every time I walk past that jug in the garage.
It does run quite well now. It almost seems that the water build up must have happened over time as I think there may be a performance improvement. But I can't really say. My right foot is not nearly as heavy as it once was years and years ago. I don't stomp on the loud pedal much anymore.
"Ethanol is a water magnet. At least in the past we got a chance to burn it all off over the summer. So maybe that is a contributor to the issue."
So, Don (or anyone), my 99 Wrangler (4 banger) has been running rough when semi-cold.
Symptoms;
First few miles intermittently acts like a bad fuel pump, tromp on it and it bogs down, ease off and it runs smooth, idle and it acts like its hittin' on 3 cylinders.
Not every time I take a trip though.
Been thinkin' it's just the fuel filter, and it may be, but goin' to the cabin (240 mi south) symptoms disappear completely....didn't check their ethanol content while filling though.....
Are there any additives that dry out the water in gas, or do I need to start turnin' wrenches?
Isopropyl alcohol in a near pure strength is the best there is for the purpose of drying out fuel. Automotive fuel additive HEET is 99+% pure Isopropyl alcohol. Be aware that isopropyl alcohol sold for some uses is only 70% pure, more or less and does not make a suitable drying agent.
That said no amount of isopropyl alcohol would have helped me out and still allowed the engine to run.
Elevation change going to your cabin?
My issue was definitely wrench time. I had noticed a sporadic reduction in performance, throttle response and occasional hard starting. But then it would go away and all seemed normal. ???
It might be an idea to see if you can snake a tube into the tank. Weight the end to it would lay on the tank bottom. Let the vehicle sit there a while (overnight) to permit the fluids to separate. Then see what siphons out.
I should also point out that my check engine light had come on the previous week. The code indicated an O2 sensor problem. I was contemplating replacing it. The sensor problem has recurred since the clean up. I reset the code and the C.E. light comes back on again soon. The shop believes it may be a bad one; maybe brought on by all the water.
Elevation change going to your cabin?
300' in town where I live
4700' at the cabin and higher thru the pass
No warning lights, ever.
Bump start every time
I'm not an expert mechanic by any stretch, but the fact that it runs better up high where the air is thinner means something is amiss.
Trouble is finding it.
I believe the computer system was so good at making adjustments that's the only reason mine ran at all. With a carb I'm sure it would have quit earlier.
'I believe the computer system was so good at making adjustments that's the only reason mine ran at all. With a carb I'm sure it would have quit earlier.'
Yeah, electronic ignition pretty much took the wrench outta my hands.
I sure don't fault today's technology though.
In the sixties 100k mi was pretty much unheard of. Today, 250K is not so rare.
Plugs are seemingly lifetime with the sustained adjustments you mentioned.
Small engines, but speed, quick, efficient.
I may do like I treat myself, wait til the problem becomes something steady, or steadier, and continue to do little things like change fuel filter, and monitor. This fall/winter should tell the tale.
Fuel filter is cheap enough to change. I had a lack of power thing decades ago on a BroncoII that a filter solved just like that.