(http://www.zerohedge.com/sites/default/files/images/user5/imageroot/2011/08/bachmann%20corndog.jpg)
AFP reported that "It has been criticized as playing too heavily in favor of candidates that are well financed, since their campaigns can buy the $30 tickets for their supporters to attend and presumably vote in their favor."
The Ames event was considered to be a Republican fundraiser, yet Bachmann's campaign bought and "handed out at least 4,000 free tickets to supporters."
http://www.domasjefferson.com/news/bachmann-rigged-iowa-poll-by-buying-at-least-4000-votes
people are going to have a field day with that picture...
See what happens when you don't give away tickets?
He's the sitting President and couldn't get people to line up for a measly $44.00. My bar tab was more than that other night watching an amateur band at a local pub:
http://amerpundit.com/2011/06/14/winning-the-future-empty-seats-at-obama-fundraiser/
And at this event, he had to drop the price even further:
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2010/09/23/obamas-fire-sale.html?cid=hp:mainpromo1
And here, they were giving them away and still couldn't get anyone to show up:
http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/other-races/126713-thousands-of-empty-seats-for-final-stump-by-obama-biden
I'm not a fan of Bachmann or Obama. I just hate the hypocrisy of the media, and they way they spin things.
WP, did you get that picture from Newsweek?
at this link
http://www.domasjefferson.com/news/bachmann-rigged-iowa-poll-by-buying-at-least-4000-votes
this photo is there too
(http://unelected.org/wp-content/110813_bachmann_rule_465.jpg)
Although I see the "straw poll" as silly and the format weird, Ms. Bachmann didn't do anything untoward, illegal, hidden, or otherwise questionable.
I know there is a segment of the population (Read that Far Left) that cannot stand the lady. Probably the polar opposites of those who could not stand Hillary Clinton.
She believes what she does, and doesn't apologize to the PC club for it. For that, I have to give her credit. She represents our state and has done an ok job...
P.S. I hold editors who DON'T use unflattering pictures in high regards right now. When you go sophomoric/Lowest common denominator...it shows a lack of education and an utter lack of respect for your audience.
The fact that Bachmann would allow herself to photographed eating a brat in that manner proves to me that she is completely unaware of the position she is running for
I would even go so far as to say she must as stupid as that other dim wit Sarah Palin (Palin is at least easy on the eyes)
I agree with you FishingGuy that the political system is up for sale
I just don't think it is good for the country nor do think making excuses for clearly buying votes is very sophisticated
and then there is Mitt Romney
"Corporations are people, my friend"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=No_r8q2OiZs
Quoteand then there is Mitt Romney
"Corporations are people, my friend"
Well at least he came right out and said it. "I'd like to introduce you to Mr. Exxon/Mobile...". [waiting]
Just for the record what Backmann did is exactly what most candidates do for the straw poll. Do a little research and you will discover this is the norm.
It's stupid really, and the media should report on it as it is -- that they have all, at one time or another, done this. Or most anyway.
Personally I have problems with Backmann -- she's just too busy repeating lines and saying what either she's told to say or she thinks you want to hear from where I stand. In fact, I once watched and listened to 3 or 4 shows in one day last election in which she came on to, and in every one she said that exact same lines...catch phrases.
She's too scripted.
Palin I think is so close to normal that she's hated because, well, it seems to me people want a politician that's polished...no one wants a pauper king after all...and as the founders claimed "The average citizen wants a king".
I'm a but of a nut these days because I actually think Ron Paul is the best candidate running from what I can see.
Any real proof she bought and distributed those tickets? (Note I am not saying that she did not... I just am wondering what the sorce of this info might be)
That article is nothing more than a smear attempt, especially given the corn dog picture. This sort of reporting is reprehensible. No author's name associated with it either. Snipe and run.
It is disingenuous as well, clearly and maliciously misrepresenting what the flyer actually says. A quote from the article :
"Michele Bachmann's camp handed out flyers, which stated that in order to see the entertainment, you had to vote for her first."
The flyer clearly does not say that. It just says you have to vote. You don't vote at the candidate's booth... there is a seperate voting area.
dug
It is amazing is it not that Romney said that in complete candor
so is he so out of touch that he didn't realize that "corpoartions are people" would not fly in Iowa
or is he so far down the paradigm that he really believes it
???
I agree Olj, Paul is the man
Now if we can just keep the banksters from pulling a "lone nut" with a WWII piece of crap rifle in Dallas scenario...
The banksters have quite a record on that
Jackson (tried and failed both pistols misfired)
Lincoln -- Greenbacks were unpopular with the banksters
Garfield they let him die an slow painful death from infection
and of course Kennedy who authored the silver backed currency executive order 11110
"(j) The authority vested in the President by paragraph (b) of section 43 of the Act of May 12, 1933, as amended (31 U.S.C. 821(b)), to issue silver certificates against any silver bullion, silver, or standard silver dollars in the Treasury not then held for redemption of an outstanding silver certificates, to prescribe the denominations of such silver certificates, and to coin standard silver dollars and subsidiary silver currency for their redemption,' and (b) By revoking subparagraphs (b) and (c) of paragraph 2 thereof."
Another article by Paul Krugman
http://www.unelected.org/how-michele-bachmann-bought-the-ames-straw-poll
Quote from: Windpower on August 15, 2011, 12:14:21 PM
Another article by Paul Krugman
http://www.unelected.org/how-michele-bachmann-bought-the-ames-straw-poll
I can't even read his clap trap...
#3 for Ron Paul. He won't be on the ticket but I'll write him in.
Quote from: Windpower on August 15, 2011, 12:14:21 PM
Another article by Paul Krugman
http://www.unelected.org/how-michele-bachmann-bought-the-ames-straw-poll
That's just regurgitation of the same article, including the exact same misrepresentation of the flyer.
Data and source please.
::) ::)
Starting to be aware of how much some of our forum brothers and sisters like to pass internet gossip around, disguised as blogs, op ed columns and weird websites run by very weird people.
Don't get me wrong, some of it is interesting (truth is so limiting), some is downright laughable, some start good debates and, some are just malicious.
We will soon be in the heart of the malicious season---a presidential election year. We should think before we push the forward button and avoid spreading hatchet jobs for anyone.
Just a thought,
RW
First you wanted a source and Author
I provided source and author
How about this,
You provide a source and author for the Michelle Bachmann repudiation of the the claims that she bought tickets and gave away entertainment for a 'return favor'
IF the Bachmann campaign had a problem with these articles I am sure she would set the record straight.
Where is the repudiation ?
Where is the threat of a liable suit ?
Where is the Bachmann outrage ?
Maybe Bachmann believes it's best not to wrestle with pigs in the gutter---you just get dirty and the pigs love it.
Sort of like trying to appeal to reason when debating with conspiracy theorists.
Quote from: rwanders on August 15, 2011, 01:38:26 PM
We should think before we push the forward button and avoid spreading hatchet jobs for anyone.
Just a thought,
RW
Quote from: rwanders on August 15, 2011, 02:16:42 PM
Maybe Bachmann believes it's best not to wrestle with pigs in the gutter---you just get dirty and the pigs love it.
Sort of like trying to appeal to reason when debating with conspiracy theorists.
:) :)
Quote from: Windpower on August 15, 2011, 01:45:45 PM
First you wanted a source and Author
I provided source and author
No.
I asked for the data and the source of the data. Not the fabrication and the author of the fabrication. Where is the actual data showing that this purchase occurred? Did it come from her campaign committee? I want to know where I can find the actual data showing the purchase, which is why I asked for the source.
Once again, I am not arguing that she didn't do it, I just want a real source. Anybody can make up anything they want, and post it on the internet. That does not make it true.
If this really happened, then there is proof. Proof is not a pretty web page.
If we can't back up our postings with legitimate data, then why post?
Quote from: rwanders on August 15, 2011, 02:16:42 PM
Maybe Bachmann believes it's best not to wrestle with pigs in the gutter---you just get dirty and the pigs love it.
Sort of like trying to appeal to reason when debating with conspiracy theorists.
AMEN!!!
So Paul Krugman and by inference the New York Times and FOX News are engaging in yellow journalism
Never thought I would get that from you folks
and RW .... meh, nevermind
Now I'm really lost. How are NYT and FOX related to this? I only see this as a misrepresentation by Krugman. Did he get bad info from them? WTH????
So, is the story here that Bachmann bought tickets? Because they all do that. Every single one of them. That's the point of the straw poll, to show how strong your organization is, how you can get out your vote.
Or is the story that she paid for 6000 tickets and only got 4600 votes?
The first question is a non-story. As for the second question, I really have no idea what the vote percentage is for each candidate. Maybe it is a story that 25% of her attendees didn't vote for her.
Quote from: Windpower on August 15, 2011, 10:01:58 AM
The fact that Bachmann would allow herself to photographed eating a brat in that manner proves to me that she is completely unaware of the position she is running for
Come on Windpower...at least get your midwest meats straight...
A brat is a form of sausage which is normally boiled(in beer) and then grilled. Purists would eat it only on a bun and usually accompanied by a blend of mustard. Non-purists would have it on a bun with ketchup.
A CORNDOG(or Prontopup) (of which Ms. Bachman is found eating) is the food of fairs and festivals in the midwest. Unlike it's cousin, the brat, purists smother them in ketchup, while the uninitiated would use both ketchup and mustard. It is a food of the people and can only be enjoyed in a relaxed/down to earth attitude.
I too am a Ron Paul supporter...I just have to speak up on this form of journalism when I see it...It's about as yellow as it gets...
Paul Krugman, Nobel Prize winner and Op Ed Columnist for the New York Times
http://krugmanonline.com/
He is also a frequent contributor to FOX News
Quote from: fishing_guy on August 15, 2011, 06:05:13 PM
Come on Windpower...at least get your midwest meats straight...
A brat is a form of sausage which is normally boiled(in beer) and then grilled. Purists would eat it only on a bun and usually accompanied by a blend of mustard. Non-purists would have it on a bun with ketchup.
A CORNDOG(or Prontopup) (of which Ms. Bachman is found eating) is the food of fairs and festivals in the midwest. Unlike it's cousin, the brat, purists smother them in ketchup, while the uninitiated would use both ketchup and mustard. It is a food of the people and can only be enjoyed in a relaxed/down to earth attitude.
I too am a Ron Paul supporter...I just have to speak up on this form of journalism when I see it...It's about as yellow as it gets...
I'll stand by my observation of her stupidity and naivete
As far as I can tell, NYT and Fox had nothing to do with this writing.
So let's get back to the meat of this corndog. BTW, my vote in the corndog straw poll would be mustard only.
Without actual proof, his writing comes across as nothing more than malicious and underhanded. A "Nobel Winning" (does anyone now believe that has any credibility?) recipient should be much, much better at having legitimate sources and accurately reporting the facts. His blatant misrepresentation of the flyer is unforgivable.
As a Nobel winner, this makes him look even worse. Perhaps that is why he received a Nobel prize in economics, and not a Pulitzer prize.
I betcha that we can find lots of legitimate complaints against Bachman. Let's stick to those.
Quote from: Windpower on August 15, 2011, 10:01:58 AM
The fact that Bachmann would allow herself to photographed eating a brat in that manner proves to me that she is completely unaware of the position she is running for
I would even go so far as to say she must as stupid as that other dim wit Sarah Palin (Palin is at least easy on the eyes)
No kidding...what the heck is Obama thinking! Clearly he is completely unaware of the position he HOLDS. I'll refrain from further insults and let the picture speak for itself.
http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/edwest/100051871/barack-obama-wouldnt-get-away-with-that-euro-wuss-bike-gear-in-russia/
Quote from: Windpower on August 15, 2011, 06:08:25 PM
Paul Krugman, Nobel Prize winner and Op Ed Columnist for the New York Times
http://krugmanonline.com/
He is also a frequent contributor to FOX News
Krugman contributes to Fox? Really? That's something I did not know...can you point to some articles he contributed to or shows?
Krugman is an opinion columnist. Op-ed. One problem today is that the lines between journalism and op-ed bloggers is not clear, primarily because of the web and the ability to quickly disseminate information to the masses in a format that is not viewed as permanent as newspaper.
Much of what is reported today is opinion. There are dozens of cases of FOX and MSN/CNN picking up a blog story as news and running with it, without any fact checking or verification. Sloppy. Partisan. Hacks. Both sides.
Quote from: Windpower on August 15, 2011, 06:08:25 PM
Paul Krugman, Nobel Prize winner and Op Ed Columnist for the New York Times
http://krugmanonline.com/
He is also a frequent contributor to FOX News
I'm sorry WP but as I research this statement I can't find any contributions by Paul Krugman on Fox news. What I do find is a lot of articles written by Krugman makes claims about Fox (never positive ones) or people referencing his nonsense. Please cite an actual article in which he contributed to Fox rather then being mentioned, written about him etc.
Rigged vote counts, rigged media coverage and this is worth discussing? Please notice that your choices will been chosen for you before you vote. A choice between bad and worse is not a choice and It's not your fault if one of those choices digs us a deeper hole than the last.
Quote from: ScottA on August 15, 2011, 10:15:39 PM
Rigged vote counts, rigged media coverage and this is worth discussing? Please notice that your choices will been chosen for you before you vote. A choice between bad and worse is not a choice and It's not your fault if one of those choices digs us a deeper hole than the last.
Who are the riggers? Evidence more then innuendo and assertions please.
Quote from: rwanders on August 15, 2011, 10:59:11 PM
Who are the riggers? Evidence more then innuendo and assertions please.
I saw it on the Internet so it must be true....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LBrDzZCOQtI&sns=em
Quote from: Native_NM on August 15, 2011, 11:03:03 PM
I saw it on the Internet so it must be true....
rofl rofl rofl [rofl2] [rofl2]
If you choose not to believe the obvious that's your business. But don't try to justify it by trying to force those who point it out to somehow prove it. You and I both know that the proof of vote fraud is locked up tight and neither I nor you could ever get access to it. Also be aware you did in fact see this on the internet.
You and I know both know that no matter who our shadowy overlords elect the outcome to the people will be the same....broken promises and more rhetoric.
I myself think it all boils down to media BS as as cited in this Onion Report also from the '08 election. Yet once again it seems to berising to the top as cream does. Thankful some one has a real handle on it.
Election '08: Poll: Bullshit Is Most Important Issue For 2008 Voters
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=viVAAy_qkx0&feature=relmfu
She was just eating that brat while she waits on the mother ship to beam her up. Good grief. You can find something wrong with any politician but if you think we as a nation can take another 4 years of what we are currently dealing with, we all may be waiting on the mother ship.
Quote from: Tickhill on August 16, 2011, 04:18:04 AM
She was just eating that brat while she waits on the mother ship to beam her up. Good grief. You can find something wrong with any politician but if you think we as a nation can take another 4 years of what we are currently dealing with, we all may be waiting on the mother ship.
As our Minnesota State Fair approaches, I cannot let this lie go on....
It is not a brat!!!
Please use the correct term!!!
While we are at it:
It was not a vote! It was a poll. It doesn't count for anything. Except for the organizing ability of the candidates. That's it.
I hate to see this country next year if our undies are in a bundle already... d* d* d*
I can't stand it any longer, what is it then? My undies been waded up since 2009, I am ready for some relief!
Ok, it looks like a corn dog. At least it wasn't a cigar.
Read on Drudge this morning that Bachmann is promising she will have gas back down to $2.00 a gallon. Ya like I believe that! Sounds like those stupid high school class officers speechs. Only here no one is laughing. I still remember all the Obama supports screaming Obama is going to pay for our rent, Obama is going to pay for our gas, Obama my A**.
Quote from: rick91351 on August 18, 2011, 09:02:40 AM
Read on Drudge this morning that Bachmann is promising she will have gas back down to $2.00 a gallon. Ya like I believe that! Sounds like those stupid high school class officers speechs. Only here no one is laughing. I still remember all the Obama supports screaming Obama is going to pay for our rent, Obama is going to pay for our gas, Obama my A**.
Frack, baby, frack. The plan is to drill and frack, increasing the supply, creating jobs, and lowering the dependence on Saudi oil. Whether that would work is irrelevant. It is not as far-fetched as the Left portrays it, nor as likely or certain to transpire as the Right portrays it.
Truth lies somewhere in the middle, but at least they have a plan and it's not to sit on their ass in Martha's vineyard until a holiday provides them the perfect photo op to announce a "plan".