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This is a pretty well trusted source of accurate information.

http://www.stratfor.com/analysis/20110315-red-alert-radiation-rising-and-heading-south-japan?utm_source=redalert&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=110315&utm_content=readmore&elq=539fc09252d240cfb280c9f8e370a5f9

This is a series of diagrams that show what happens and what can go wrong inside a nuclear reactor.

http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2011/03/12/world/asia/the-explosion-at-the-japanese-reactor.html?ref=asia

More information here from nuclear scientists and engineers

http://allthingsnuclear.org/tagged/Japan_nuclear

Thanks for the further information.   I have been following this as I work in the Bay area.  We have many student friends from Japan. 

What I want to know is how the hell do they plan to fix this mess?

I've been wondering where our local (and beloved) conspiracy theorists are? By this time they should have detected a vast conspiracy led by the CIA or the Masons or Tri-Laterals or you pick'um from their everlasting inventory of secret societies as a devious plan to further the "new world order".  Surely, this ongoing tragedy couldn't be due to a simple convergence of the dangers of the natural world and human activities including our usual miscalculations and simple operational errors.

Whether we like it or not, the world is a dangerous place---no one has ever made it out of here alive.

When the media eventually runs out of sensational headlines and lead-ins by talking heads, we will finally get to hear about the heroic efforts by the Japanese counterparts of our 911 first responders and the incredible stoicism and courage of the Japanese people facing this disaster. Humanity has survived countless disasters in our time on earth----this too shall pass.

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scary Scott

I heard that the radiation level in the containment buildings was at the point of lethality in minutes

pump in concrete ?

???

there were 30 (IIRC) men that sacrificed themselves to contain Chernobyl -- they all died within a month
There are men now doing this at Fukushima --- true heroes


we need to pray for them and their families

Glenn the information is very confused -- no one seems to really know (or be willing to say) what is really happening

an anectdotal report from Urbansurvival. com has a major news organization evacuating from Tokyo to Australia or Hong Kong ---admitting that they were not reporting the real news ...

I watched some of the CNN news at the motel last night before getting on the net....and (Pseudonym?) Anderson Cooper mouthed the same nothing for a long time before I shut him off and went to the net.

RW.... the main conspiracy guy with info doesn't seem to be credible and is probably working to spread disinformation and make the ones who can see the conspiracies look crazy so I will pass on this one for now until there is credible information.  [crz]

If you come up with something good please jump right in here though.... [waiting].

US Navy Capt. Eric Gardner announces the evacuation of US military from Japan

"Women and children first"

(scroll down for video)

http://www.npr.org/blogs/thetwo-way/2011/03/17/134617124/live-blog-disaster-in-japan-thursdays-latest

Not looking so good there.  Last night I read that power was restored to one set of pumps... today none have power.... bummer.

http://news.blogs.cnn.com/2011/03/18/japan-quake-live-blog-nissan-monitoring-car-exports-for-radiation/?hpt=T2


[1:39 p.m. ET Friday, 2:39 a.m. Saturday in Tokyo] Monitors in Sacramento, California, have detected a small amount of radioactive material from the earthquake-struck nuclear power plant in Japan, an official with the Comprehensive Test Ban Treaty Organization said. The exact amounts were not available, but were far less than what would be considered harmful to human health, the official said.

on-line radiation monitoring network

http://www.radiationnetwork.com/

and here


http://www.blackcatsystems.com/RadMap/map.html

Big deals are being made about the pills, but Lugol's Iodine will protect the thyroid gland also.  It may still be available as fewer know about it.

Amazon still had some.

Knowing government, if you wait until they tell you to take it or heed their never-mind advice after they already said it was a good idea,  it just means they are stalling so they can get theirs first.

There's your conspiracy, RW..... the conspiracy to prevent the lower and middle class from getting the iodide that belongs to the upper class... looks like they are using the sold out media to keep it from us... [waiting]

http://www.squidoo.com/lugols-iodine-solution

I have been monitoring CNN for a couple hours

there has been no mention of the base evacuations

They were even talking about evacuations of people around the plant -- no mention of the base evacuations

I think this is significant

From Stars and Stripes

The Navy said Thursday afternoon it would start evacuating families from Naval Air Facility Atsugi and Yokosuka Naval Base, near Tokyo. A few hours later, officials at Misawa Air Base, in northern Japan, did the same. Camp Zama, a U.S. Army facility near Tokyo, said it was allowing families and non-essential workers to voluntarily leave.
In a radio address Thursday afternoon, Col. Otto Feather, 374th Airlift Wing commander, said he expects Yokota Air Base to join the list soon.

I hate being right...

Feds Seize all supplies

http://offgridsurvival.com/potassiumiodidesupplies/

QuoteA number of stores across the west coast are reporting that they are completely sold out. And a pharmacist at a Walgreen's in California told us that they would not be getting anymore because the government has seized all supplies.

Windpower, I read about the base evacuations somewhere else either last night or this morning.  Don't remember where but it was not mainstream... they were sending out women and children first to South Korea then higher up the ladder as it went.

Searching it seems it is the same source your article is from..can't find the original link.

There's your conspiracy, RW..... the conspiracy to prevent the lower and middle class from getting the iodide that belongs to the upper class... looks like they are using the sold out media to keep it from us...

Glenn-----did you ever hear; "extraordinary claims require extraordinary proof" ?  Quoting a survivalist website who quotes an unnamed Walgren's pharmacist as proof of anything only proves that Barnum was right----"there's a sucker born every minute". Interesting that anyone or anything that supports an existing opinion is always accepted without any supporting basis-----anything to the contrary is always discarded as obviously part of a conspiracy.

Well... could be some lingering around and I guess we will just have to wait and see how soon it is replenished. [ouch]

Glenn

here is the youtube of Capt. Eric Gardner announcing the evacuation -- his delivery would not make me feel safe

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zAo7YlU-eWk&feature=player_embedded

Thanks, Windpower.  Looks like he is not feeling too good about it to me.

BTW, RW, have you got your potassium Iodide tablets yet?  You may not need them at all but you may need them tomorrow.  Shipping is generally a day or two minimum.

If you haven't I would appreciate it if you let us know how easy it is to get.  

From what I see, what the government hasn't got the scalpers do have.

A new store opened offering 14 tablets for $29.95 plus $7.50 shipping - same identical thing from the rest go from $40 +$5 shipping to $184.99.

Dose is 130 mg per day or one of these per day.  These are full dose but many we found are 10% of that requiring 10 pills per day.

Found this - don't know of the accuracy - can't make any medical recommendations as to fitness for anything other than may be safe to eat.... [ouch]



Foods containing Iodide- didn't find much about quantities req'd..posted as information only..... gk

Iodized Salt 54    I read that this is referring to 80 tsp of Iodized salt - daily dose would be 160 tsp.  or more so not practical... Verify if you can - We don't have iodized salt as we use Real Salt..gk

Seasoned Salt 40
Sun Evaporated Salt 30
Uniodized Salt 19
U.S. Drinking Water 8
Beef Liver 325
Turkey 132
Chicken 67
Hamburger 44
Asparagus 169
Broccoli 90
White Onion 82
Corn 45
Brussel Sprouts 23
Peas 13
Tomatoes 10
Idaho Potato 9
Carrots 8
Green Beans 7
Spinach 7
Okra 4
Cheddar Cheese Spread 27
Butter 26
Mozzarella Cheese 13
Homogenized Milk 11
Monterey Jack Cheese 10
Nonfat Dry Milk 7
Sour Cream 7
Cottage Cheese 5
Kelp 1020 Notice how High Kelp Is?
Squid 39
Crab 33
Sole 24
Clams 20
Shark 15
Sea Bass 13
Lobster 9
Oysters 8
Red Snapper 7
Tortilla Chips (w/Sea Salt) 80
Wheat Germ 46
Potato Chips (w/Sea Salt) 40
Orange Juice 18
Almonds 17
Oats 16
Pretzels 15
Apple 8
Vegetable Shortening 7
White Bread 8
Pear 4
Coca-Cola 3
Hershey's Milk Chocolate 2
Sugar 2

Now the Bad News: XXX ___POISON___XXX Synthetic Iodide
Betadine Povodine

http://www.kirotv.com/news/27248974/detail.html

The USO said about 200,000 U.S. personnel are being evacuated from Japan to U.S. West Coast cities including San Diego, San Francisco, Los Angeles and Seattle/JBLM.

More indication that our military doesn't think it looks so good over there.  Must be pretty serious, as we hardly ever leave a country once we occupy it.... [waiting]

I guess it also indicates they think the West Coast is far enough.

Yeah I think the 5000 miles will dilute the radiation alot before it gets to the west coast

but it doesn't seem to be getting much better


http://www.dw-world.de/dw/article/0,,14926992,00.html


(http://www.dw-world.de/image/0,,6477413_4,00.jpg)



Workers at the quake-stricken Fukushima nuclear power plant in Japan were evacuated on Monday after gray smoke was seen rising from reactor 3, which is among the most badly damaged at the six-reactor complex, a plant spokesman said.

The workers had only been pulled out of the immediate area around the reactor and not from the whole plant.

At 3:55 p.m. local time (6:55 p.m. GMT), a "light gray plume of smoke" rose from the fuel storage pool of reactor number 3, a Tokyo Electric Power Co. (TEPCO) spokesman told reporters.

"Due to this problem, the operator temporarily pulled out the workers, while checking on the condition of the site," the spokesman said.

The smoke ceased shortly afterwards, but smoke was then observed rising from reactor 2.

These are powerful before and after photos with a sliding bar between the two. (From NY Times)

You can see what has happened to the nuclear plant and its four main reactors as well as other areas of the country.

http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2011/03/13/world/asia/satellite-photos-japan-before-and-after-tsunami.html

(https://i1009.photobucket.com/albums/af219/countryplans/nuke.jpg) (http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2011/03/13/world/asia/satellite-photos-japan-before-and-after-tsunami.html)

Notice the dates in the upper corners.

It's all under control, nothing to see here. By the way there's no more oil in the gulf either. Now back to more Faux News.

You got it, Scott.... I am going to keep an eye on them anyway.... [waiting]

http://counterpunch.org/takashi03222011.html

snip from interview

Yoh: Tepco [Tokyo Electric Power Company, owner/operator of the nuclear plants] says they expect to bring in a high voltage line this evening.

Hirose: Yes, there's a little bit of hope there.  But what's worrisome is that a nuclear reactor is not like what the schematic pictures show (shows a graphic picture of a reactor, like those used on TV).  This is just a cartoon.  Here's what it looks like underneath a reactor container (shows a photograph).  This is the butt end of the reactor.  Take a look.  It's a forest of switch levers and wires and pipes.  On television these pseudo-scholars come on and give us simple explanations, but they know nothing, those college professors.  Only the engineers know.  This is where water has been poured in.  This maze of pipes is enough to make you dizzy.  Its structure is too wildly complex for us to understand. For a week now they have been pouring water through there.  And it's salt water, right?  You pour salt water on a hot kiln and what do you think happens?  You get salt. The salt will get into all these valves and cause them to freeze.  They won't move.  This will be happening everywhere.  So I can't believe that it's just a simple matter of you reconnecting the electricity and the water will begin to circulate.  I think any engineer with a little imagination can understand this.  You take a system as unbelievably complex as this and then actually dump water on it from a helicopter – maybe they have some idea of how this could work, but I can't understand it.

Yoh:  It will take 1300 tons of water to fill the pools that contain the spent fuel rods in reactors 3 and 4.  This morning 30 tons.  Then the Self Defense Forces are to hose in another 30 tons from five trucks.  That's nowhere near enough, they have to keep it up.  Is this squirting of water from hoses going to change the situation?

Hirose:  In principle, it can't.  Because even when a reactor is in good shape, it requires constant control to keep the temperature down to where it is barely safe.  Now it's a complete mess inside, and when I think of the 50 remaining operators, it brings tears to my eyes.  I assume they have been exposed to very large amounts of radiation, and that they have accepted that they face death by staying there.  And how long can they last?  I mean, physically.  That's what the situation has come to now.  When I see these accounts on television, I want to tell them, "If that's what you say, then go there and do it yourself!"  Really, they talk this nonsense, trying to reassure everyone, trying to avoid panic.  What we need now is a proper panic.  Because the situation has come to the point where the danger is real. 

If I were Prime Minister Kan, I would order them to do what the Soviet Union did when the Chernobyl reactor blew up, the sarcophagus solution, bury the whole thing under cement, put every cement company in Japan to work, and dump cement over it from the sky.  Because you have to assume the worst case.  Why?  Because in Fukushima there is the Daiichi Plant with six reactors and the Daini Plant with four for a total of ten reactors.  If even one of them develops the worst case, then the workers there must either evacuate the site or stay on and collapse.  So if, for example, one of the reactors at Daiichi goes down, the other five are only a matter of time.  We can't know in what order they will go, but certainly all of them will go.  And if that happens, Daini isn't so far away, so probably the reactors there will also go down.  Because I assume that workers will not be able to stay there.

Today officials are saying don't let babies drink the tap water in Tokyo....many many miles south of the troubled nuclear plant.

http://www.seattlepi.com/business/1310ap_as_japan_earthquake.html

Things are getting pretty grim I think.

Thanks for that article Windpower. It's an eye opener.

Thanks, Windpower. That is more what I pictured than the stories we usually hear.

I am wondering if the cooling pumps are in a separate building?  Seems I read something about that.

I get updates - now everyday, from the Bulletin of Atomic Scientists - they are very conservative & pro-nuclear power as you would imagine by the title.  So, you have to keep that in mind on their reports.  They used to only send out a bulletin about once a week until the tragedy in Japan. 

http://www.thebulletin.org/web-edition/columnists/tatsujiro-suzuki/daily-update-japan

200 foot concrete pump truck headed to Japan, Courtesy China and their Saudi Arabian customer.

http://news.xinhuanet.com/english2010/china/2011-03/22/c_13791992.htm

Quote from: glenn kangiser on March 24, 2011, 01:15:45 PM
200 foot concrete pump truck headed to Japan, Courtesy China and their Saudi Arabian customer.

http://news.xinhuanet.com/english2010/china/2011-03/22/c_13791992.htm

About time

I hope it isn't too late

That may be the best solution - bury it all in concrete. It's not like you can take that stuff to the recycling yard.  :P

With nuclear energy when you make a mistake it's not just a little Booboo, it's a planetary level affliction. You kill people you've never met and children yet to be born.

I've read that things went badly today, with workers getting burned by water that was highly radioactive. They're now thinking there must be more damage than they first suspected. Not good.

Also, extending the evacuation area...  :(

http://blog.imva.info/medicine/danger-concern-sanity

I was wondering what was with the blue tarp covering the burned engineers as  they walked them to the ambulance

now I think it was to keep them from filming just how sick they already were --- peeling skin, severe nausea

understandably that could cause panic


I read that those poor workers were exposed to 3 to 6 Sieverts ---

from wiki

Symptoms of acute radiation (within one day):[19]

0 – 0.25 Sv (0 – 250 mSv): None
0.25 – 1 Sv (250 – 1000 mSv): Some people feel nausea and loss of appetite; bone marrow, lymph nodes, spleen damaged.
1 – 3 Sv (1000 – 3000 mSv): Mild to severe nausea, loss of appetite, infection; more severe bone marrow, lymph node, spleen damage; recovery probable, not assured.
3 – 6 Sv (3000 – 6000 mSv): Severe nausea, loss of appetite; hemorrhaging, infection, diarrhea, peeling of skin, sterility; death if untreated.  
6 – 10 Sv (6000 – 10000 mSv): Above symptoms plus central nervous system impairment; death expected.
Above 10 Sv (10000 mSv): Incapacitation and death.


It certainly does not look like things are improving

Video of reactor buildings taken 3/27/11

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p_T0M5nz_tg&feature=player_embedded

We had some Japanese students visit our church over the weekend.  They all said their families were safe & not having any problems where they were at.  Hopefully that is true. 

This is not improving

I do not understand why they are not entombing these things


http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn20285-fukushima-radioactive-fallout-nears-chernobyl-levels.html

Japan's damaged nuclear plant in Fukushima has been emitting radioactive iodine and caesium at levels approaching those seen in the aftermath of the Chernobyl accident in 1986. Austrian researchers have used a worldwide network of radiation detectors – designed to spot clandestine nuclear bomb tests – to show that iodine-131 is being released at daily levels 73 per cent of those seen after the 1986 disaster. The daily amount of caesium-137 released from Fukushima Daiichi is around 60 per cent of the amount released from Chernobyl.



And this from the New York Times:
 
"A senior nuclear executive who insisted on anonymity but has broad contacts in Japan said that there was a long vertical crack running down the side of the reactor vessel itself. The crack runs down below the water level in the reactor and has been leaking fluids and gases, he said....
 
"There is a definite, definite crack in the vessel - it's up and down and it's large," he said. "The problem with cracks is they do not get smaller." (Thanks to Washington's Blog)

If I Had the Ear of the Prime Minister, I Would Recommend the "Chernobyl Option"
Michio Kaku on March 15, 2011, 12:17 PM

http://bigthink.com/ideas/31617



then again maybe concrete is not the  answer according to Dr Tom Burnett


"Fukushima is going to dwarf Chenobyl. The Japanese government has had a level 7 nuclear disaster going for almost a week but won't admit it.

The disaster is occurring the opposite way than Chernobyl, which exploded and stopped the reaction. At Fukushima, the reactions are getting worse. I suspect three nuclear piles are in meltdown and we will probably get some of it.

If reactor 3 is in meltdown,  the concrete under the containment looks like lava. But Fukushima is not far off the water table. When that molten mass of self-sustaining nuclear material gets to the water table it won't simply cool down. It will explode – not a nuclear explosion, but probably enough to involve the rest of the reactors and fuel rods at the facility."

more here:

http://hawaiinewsdaily.com/2011/03/when-the-fukushima-meltdown-hits-groundwater/



Here is a radiation dose chart linked in the above news article

http://xkcd.com/radiation/

Quote from: Sassy on March 28, 2011, 12:28:52 PM
We had some Japanese students visit our church over the weekend.  They all said their families were safe & not having any problems where they were at.  Hopefully that is true. 

I'm not nearly as well versed as you in medical matters Sassy, but isn't the real danger long term? Those people that feel safe can be soaking up poison in the air, water and food and not know it for a long time, can't they?

I wish I had a nickle for every time the Government says "It's safe"...and it wasn't.

I have the same thoughts, Peter. 

I don't think they are as safe as their government tells them.  I hope I am wrong.  I talked to a couple of our Japanese student friends this last weekend.  I wish I was sure they are safe.

Yes, it is long term depending on the amount of radiation they are exposed to.  I read at least a week ago that some of the workers had already died from exposure (don't have the link) - it causes hemorrhaging, blisters, all kinds of nasty stuff - the radiation damages the body faster than it can repair itself.  So, depending on the dose it can be very short-term - a day or 2 to years where many develop cancers - leukemia, lymphomas or other problems.

It is strange, but in our xray dept at the hospital there have been 3 people die suddenly of heart attacks in the last 3 yrs - one was in his 40's, the last one was in his early 60's - they wear radiation detector tags that read the accumulated exposure.  Don't know if there is any connection, but it is rather tragic!

In the ER, they take portable xrays all the time - they step away approx 4-6 ft & call out "Xray!" to warn everyone.  We have to take a class every year that goes over the distance vs the amt of radiation & how even a few feet away, it is negligible depending on dose.  We get kinda lax about it as long as we are 4-6 ft away, we feel safe - hopefully that is true...  I can't remember the exact numbers - I think I will pay closer attention the next time I take the class  d*

The situation is getting worse.  The news is atrocious, with fear-mongering to nothing to see here move along.  Both sides are ridiculously slanted and it is darn tough to get a good read on the details of what is and is not actually going on. 

I have lost almost all faith in tepco by now.  I do not see much hope in the Japanese gov here either.  I have a bad feeling they are going to just bulldoze it into the sea....  if they don't mess it up worse before...

We had some floors x-rayed in a building we where working on once. The company that did the work had to have the entire building cleared and locked up before they would do anything. The box with the source was made of lead and a 50' cable attached to activate it, meaning the operator had to be 50' away not 4-6'.

On the Beach


On the beach, at night,
Stands a child, with her father,
Watching the east, the autumn sky.

Up through the darkness,
While ravening clouds, the burial clouds, in black masses spreading,
Lower, sullen and fast, athwart and down the sky,
Amid a transparent clear belt of ether yet left in the east,
Ascends, large and calm, the lord-star Jupiter;
And nigh at hand, only a very little above,
Swim the delicate brothers, the Pleiades.




http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cQBlnwrffAg

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K74BNWQ0bYs

Directed in 1990 by the same man who directed the first godzilla movie. 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dreams_%281990_film%29

http://rt.com/usa/news/japan-radiation-usa-rainwater/

http://enenews.com/radioactive-iodine-131-in-pennsylvania-rainwater-sample-3300-above-federal-drinking-water-standard

Rainwater radiation in PA 3300% above the safe limits but don't worry.... The EPA is considering raising the safe limits.. then there will be no problem.......

So, now, I have to ask myself....do I believe them about the safety level?

Low levels of radiation found in West Coast milk
By MARY CLARE JALONICK
ASSOCIATED PRESS

WASHINGTON -- Low levels of radiation have turned up in milk samples from two West Coast states.

Traces of radioactive Iodine-131 were found in milk in California and Washington, according to federal and state authorities who are monitoring for contamination as the nuclear crisis unfolds in Japan. But the officials say the levels are still 5,000 times below levels of concern.

The Environmental Protection Agency and the Food and Drug Administration said Wednesday that radiation was found in a March 25 milk sample from Spokane, Wash. The California Department of Public Health said on its website that a similar result was found March 28 in San Luis Obispo County.

Japan's Fukushima Dai-ichi nuclear power complex began leaking radiation after it was damaged by a devastating earthquake and tsunami this month.

All radiation is safe according to .gov... right, Considerations?  You beat me to the posting.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/42348512/ns/health-health_care/

As the disaster continues it will increase and the thyroid will hold onto at least the radsiation as I understand it as the Iodine is used unless you have a good supply of non-radioactive Iodine in there already.  Lugols Solution seems to be available part time and I keep reading that US gov is commandeering the pills.

Got Milk?.... I mean... got Iodine?  ... [waiting]

Now here is a "legitimate" news source talking about the US reactors and spent fuel risks:

http://money.cnn.com/2011/04/01/news/economy/nuclear_waste/index.htm

Two things bother me here:

1.  Government officials claiming the spent fuel is "safe" to leave there
2.  The article states "we're vulnerable to terrorists", "here are the cities with spent fuel being stored at the plant", "we're vulnerable to shoulder-fired missile attacks" and "it could leave cities uninhabitable permanently".  Really?  Why not paint a big red target sign on these plants too?

Here's a very interesting article on an alternative Nuke using thorium.

Here are my PDF NOTES (http://www.countryplans.com/Downloads/thorium.pdf).

Here's the source article:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/comment/ambroseevans_pritchard/8393984/Safe-nuclear-does-exist-and-China-is-leading-the-way-with-thorium.html

FOLLOW-UP: I have been told that this article is an April Fools Day prank but have been unable to verify. What I did find was this article dated March 24th

http://realdoctorstu.com/2011/03/24/the-future-of-nuclear-power-after-fukushima-thorium-reactors/

Houses that weren't struck by the tsunami still had to deal with the most sever earthquake in Japanese history. One of our members asked how the standard US wood framed houses had done under those conditions.

One of my co-authors on the Superinsulated Design and Construction book has spent the last 10 years working with Japanese builders and suppliers promoting standard platform frame houses in a country with a lightweight post and beam building culture.

I wrote to ask what he knew about how houses were performing:

I was there during the earthquake but fortunately was much further south although it was felt throughout the whole country. There were a number of smaller earthquakes a few days earlier when I was in Tokyo but the one that hit the north east was huge. I am not sure about the specifics of this earthquake but in the past platform frame houses have done extremely well. This is due to the exterior sheathing acting as a diaphragm also the Japanese code calls for extensive nailing of the sheathing to ensure loads are transferred.  Attached is an image from the Kobe earthquake in 1995 which was 6.8 on the Richter scale, the house in the foreground is a traditional post and beam Japanese house the homes in the background are North American platform frame houses.

(https://i1009.photobucket.com/albums/af219/countryplans/earthquake_kobe.jpg)

So now they are pumping highly radioactive water into the ocean to make room in the plants' wastewater tanks for even more highly radioactive water. 

http://search.japantimes.co.jp/cgi-bin/nn20110406a1.html

Sheesh, one of these gambles where the odds are low, but boy are the stakes high.

Pretty soon the government scientists all over the world will come out with downgraded human exposure standards because new research shows that humans can tolerate more than previously thought...so "no cause for alarm folks."

Mankind learns from mistakes, I'm just not impressed with WHAT is learned.  [frus]

The cooling systems on 5 and 6 are in jeopardy now

The tepco official seems to losing it

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-W7uGvW8xvY&feature=player_embedded

I really have resisted this urge :-[

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wdmB4HFjkfs&feature=fvst

http://www.fairewinds.com/

A report from Arnold Gundersen (you can read his CV at this site -- he has 39 years of experience in the nuclear industry and an MS in Nuclear engineering)

AREVA executive: "Clearly we are witnessing the greatest disaster in modern time"

http://www.fairewinds.com/content/3-2011-areva-fukushima-report

Quote from: Windpower on April 07, 2011, 08:02:30 AM

http://www.fairewinds.com/

A report from Arnold Gundersen (you can read his CV at this site -- he has 39 years of experience in the nuclear industry and an MS in Nuclear engineering)

AREVA executive: "Clearly we are witnessing the greatest disaster in modern time"

http://www.fairewinds.com/content/3-2011-areva-fukushima-report

That's one of the most sobering reports I've heard yet. Thanks Windpower!

That is quite a well thought out presentation of a complex progression. It doesn't look like we are done with the problems.

Quote from: John Raabe on April 07, 2011, 09:30:16 AM
That is quite a well thought out presentation of a complex progression. It doesn't look like we are done with the problems.

As I've mentioned before John, my biggest fear is what will happen in the future. Despite what they say, I can't see how dumping tons of highly radioactive water in the ocean can help but cause major problems that will touch much of the world.

We don't seem to learn from past mistakes like the Valdez spill which was wiped up with paper towels, DDT that was supposedly safe, Kepone that was dumped in the James river, Mercury that seems to be in all the top of the food chain marine animals...Etc.

My life started in a log cabin improved, with no power or indoor plumbing to present. I'm not sure the price has been worth the added convenience.

7.1 aftershock an hour ago

http://earthquake.usgs.gov/earthquakes/recenteqsww/Quakes/usc0002ksa.php

I noticed that it was right next to the Onagawa reactor.  Lots of reactors there to join the blown ones. 

http://blogs.forbes.com/jeffmcmahon/2011/04/09/radiation-detected-in-drinking-water-in-13-more-us-cities-cesium-137-in-vermont-milk/

Don't worry... the US government will protect you... Hope they get those allowable safe levels raised soon so I can stop worrying... [waiting]

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/asia/japan-to-pump-radioactive-water-into-sea-until-sunday-2265575.html

What does he know that he is not telling us?

http://youtu.be/OBxj0tI_txs

PS:... It's not my fault.... [waiting]

Arnnie Gundersen does a little experiment with a zircaloy fuel rod



http://vimeo.com/22209827

Major aftershocks shut power off to Fukushima


http://cnn.com/video/?/video/world/2011/04/11/lah.japan.aftershock.cnn

Thanks for the reminder, Windpower.  Just put on my application of Lugol's solution.  Not the heavy pills the government bought up but has seemed to be effective according to some studies.  They said that lower applications were effective in children who were radiation poisoned by our bombing in WWII of Japan.

Not really worried about it anyway, as I'm plenty old already.... It's just that if the government says we don't need it and not to do it, I know we need it so will do the exact opposite.

I agree Glenn

I think we will start the KI pills today -- they're getting old anyway --might as well take them before the 'use before' date (I really never though I'd need to take them)

I worry about the grandson, he's 4 -- his mom, my step daughter, will roll her eyes if I suggest it...

they are pretty far out of the projected routes I've seen but they are finding it in PA already

This weekend was warned to stay inside for CA by one news paper (Healdsburg as I recall) who broke from the rest with the truth.  I missed the warning but have been using applications of Lugol's for a bit anyway.

Wait til I eat my radioactive cows....or drink the radioactive milk..... [waiting]

Australia gov seizing KI supplies too - comments...

http://sherriequestioningall.blogspot.com/2011/03/us-government-seized-all-supplies-of.html

...of course it is just blogger rumors and hearsay....but then again.. that has been where most of the truth has been coming from lately... makes you wonder, eh?   [noidea'

Cool... now we are getting irradiated food - straight out of the ground.... the government doesn't have to tamper with our food for us any more...... [waiting]

http://www.nuc.berkeley.edu/node/2525

Still not major but a lot of it is above the MDA.  Quite a glowing report, eh?

Arnold Gundersen on RT

no cooling to spent fuel pool with large crack

another fire or explosion possible at #4

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pbje3ub5Dio&feature=player_embedded#at=156

Mr Gunderson was pretty right on in his conclusions.   We're not getting much coverage in the US anymore, but the Japan Times is staying current.

http://search.japantimes.co.jp/cgi-bin/nn20110513a1.html