Things have been pretty quiet around here lately so I thought I'd stir the pot. I don't know if anyone else has noticed but there has been a trend over the last few years that anytime a conspiricy or hot political topic get going on these forums names appear that are rarely seen around here otherwise. These names tend to try and discredit or place doubts about the topic or original poster in peoples minds and generaly make the mood unfriendly in one way or another. End result is the topics change direction or die off. I ran across this article that some may find interesting.
COINTELPRO Techniques for dilution, misdirection and control of an internet forum
http://12160.info/profiles/blogs/cointelpro-techniques-for?xg_source=shorten_twitter (http://12160.info/profiles/blogs/cointelpro-techniques-for?xg_source=shorten_twitter)
Yes Glenn I'm looking at you. ;D
Quote from: ScottA on October 07, 2011, 03:22:59 PM
Things have been pretty quiet around here lately so I thought I'd stir the pot. I don't know if anyone else has noticed but there has been a trend over the last few years that anytime a conspiricy or hot political topic get going on these forums names appear that are rarely seen around here otherwise. These names tend to try and discredit or place doubts about the topic or original poster in peoples minds and generaly make the mood unfriendly in one way or another. End result is the topics change direction or die off. I ran across this article that some may find interesting.
COINTELPRO Techniques for dilution, misdirection and control of an internet forum
http://12160.info/profiles/blogs/cointelpro-techniques-for?xg_source=shorten_twitter (http://12160.info/profiles/blogs/cointelpro-techniques-for?xg_source=shorten_twitter)
Yes Glenn I'm looking at you. ;D
Who knew? It seems that discussion of the UBC, dimensional lumber vs. TJI's, and 8/12 vs. 12/12 is not exciting enough to warrant conops at Country Plans.
I have no idea what you people are going on about. ;D
There's a Bible verse I could use about pearls but I'll refrain c*
Sometimes you get tired of trying to get people to look outside of the box (I hate that saying, they always used it where I worked but if anyone tried to do that, they'd be castigated).
I have friends that totally understand & others that think I'm a kook ??? and just humor me.
Scott, I've read about the infiltrations of websites, forums - I totally believe it.
I always think about the quote "Me thinks you protesteth too much!" Those that want to classify anyone that doesn't agree w/the status quo is called a "conspiracy theorist" another term I hate.
Just watch politics... all the name calling & blatant lies that are slung... its just like in the novel 1984 "war is peace & peace is war" or in the Bible, people will call right wrong & wrong right; yes is no & no is yes...
Didn't they make a movie years ago - actually there was 2 sequels - "The Matrix" - take the blue pill or the red pill...
There's so much going on today in the political realms, economic realms & even in the religious realms... there are so many layers - just depends how deep you want to dig...
I know I'm not Glenn, but I had to put my 2 cents in ::) Each person has a right to write their opinion, but please, if you don't agree w/something, stop calling it a "conspiracy theory!" At least come up w/something original ;D
OK, I'm piqued.
Izziss about something thread specific, or a pointed jab at a perceived trend, or just a heads up?
I've only been here a couple months, but have read most every thread since joining. Seems nuthin' here Scott.
Understand, it's wise to keep yer ear to the ground, but lookin' for the thought police can get tedious and can beget a ton of time misspent.
A PM w/be good about now.......from somebody
My Email is also handy
Gary O'
The thought police show up here once in a while, Gary, but usually when I have been stirring things up a bunch. I have been working out of town 12 hours a day most of the time and haven't kicked the bees nest for quite a while.
Thanks, Scott. You are correct that certain ones do drop out when there is nothing that may make people open their eyes going on. I often wonder if they are actually on a payroll of if they do it just for old times sake?
I do watch for them. We have major Feds monitoring us.... even participating sometimes, but I am not too scared of the ones I know of... and I look out for the ones I don't know of.
I have even traced links back to Virginia sometimes when things seem unreasonable....but for the most part I guess I will stubbornly continue to try to get people to look at the direction they are being steered, look at the crap they are being covered with and try to get their heads above it and see things as they really are, no matter what the trolls throw at us.
Glad you are one of us, Scott.... use the force, eh? :)
When I log in here, I feel like I'm with like minded people.
And I'll never say anything about the second ammendment and broken beer bottles ever again. (I think I deleted that post...at least I hope I did... d*)
sparks
Sparks that is because the second ammendment was meant for organized militias. It was never meant for private gun ownership. The founding fathers never had any intention of the average citizen to have the killing power we do today. If people do own guns, it should be the same ones the founding fathers intended. Nothing more than a side lock muzzleloader.
Quote from: squirrel on October 08, 2011, 05:52:42 AM
Sparks that is because the second ammendment was meant for organized militias. It was never meant for private gun ownership. The founding fathers never had any intention of the average citizen to have the killing power we do today. If people do own guns, it should be the same ones the founding fathers intended. Nothing more than a side lock muzzleloader.
ALERT, ALERT, ALERT... ;D ;D
It's good we can still find humor. ;)
Quote from: squirrel on October 08, 2011, 05:52:42 AM
Sparks that is because the second ammendment was meant for organized militias. It was never meant for private gun ownership. The founding fathers never had any intention of the average citizen to have the killing power we do today. If people do own guns, it should be the same ones the founding fathers intended. Nothing more than a side lock muzzleloader.
Perhaps it meant that founding fathers thought that private citizens should have the EXACT same weapons technology in terms of ordinance as our government.
Now where did I put my trident missile?
And how about that birth certificate? ;D
Quote from: squirrel on October 08, 2011, 05:52:42 AM
Sparks that is because the second ammendment was meant for organized militias. It was never meant for private gun ownership. The founding fathers never had any intention of the average citizen to have the killing power we do today. If people do own guns, it should be the same ones the founding fathers intended. Nothing more than a side lock muzzleloader.
Oh boy did you ever start one there. Shame on you squirrel. Glenn, Oh Glenn I think we have another goberment plant in our midst. Shame on you, by the way the handle 'squirrel' sort of fits.
Or is this a false flag attack?
Oh my word, let me look in the Constitution. By golly you are right I found it right here. We the People are limited to one muzzleloader. It shall be one side locking Brown Bess in good repair. We can own one skinning knife but not over four inches. All other knives must be dulled and certified dulled by the local smith. If you look further down we can own one pot to cook in, two pair of britches and one light leather shirt and one heavy. You will also find we all are to receive one buffalo robe for cold weather per year from the goberment. They are also to supply us with moccasins. One light pair and one heavy pair. Those in construction will be furnished with one pair of steel toed when they return their goberment furnished pair of heavy moccasins.
Oh look we can own one saddle horse per male in clan or family. But limited to one pack animal per three members of clan or family. Women per the Constitution must ride side saddle if allowed to ride by the ruling male of the clan or family.
Yep it is right there, the founding fathers wrote it. Yep just like how you interpret the second amendment. It is not there. Sorry....
Ahhhh a new member trying to discredit our old loyal and faithful Squirl......
Careful guys. This one is just trying to bait us up.....
It could have passed for our old Squirl, but what the newcomer doesn't know is that our old Squirl became disenchanted with the current administration and much of their MO for the most part and became more like one of us so we welcome him as a friend... but we still watch him.... heh
This new guy though.... I don't know about him.... [noidea'
He is so intent on throwing up a false flag and blaming our old beloved Squirl that he has even proxied through Squirls IP. I have your back, Squirl. The troll will not get away with iut.... :)
BTW.... there are still more FEDs here on the forum, so lets just carry on like we don't know they are there, eh? rofl
In all seriousness I have seen this employed. There are large "PR" firms in NYC that employ teams of people to do this. I know a few people that have hired them. Most are large corporations looking to clean up their image or through doubt on lawsuits. I personally know they would comment on news stories since almost all news pages have a comment section now. Google got caught doing this just a few months ago. They were based out of D.C.. Most of the time it is just big business at war with each other. Everynow and again it is companies trying to tamp down negative or harmful views of their products.
Thank for the insight on this Squirl. I understand that there are government agencies doing this also.
http://www.dailypaul.com/113203/secret-government-projects-provocateurs-shills-and-disinfo-agents-you-tube
There are also the ones who just do it for free because they don't want to think the truth could be real. They are stuck on the propaganda fed to them.
Great going guys, according to my sources, you have now been
allocated the following: AEN 9-1078-7668
I tried to tell them that you were just a harmless bunch of kooks,
but they just wouldn't listen to me. Oh well, I tried.
Sorry guys,
Bruce
Alfred E. Neuman
Quote from: firefox on October 09, 2011, 03:22:43 PM
Great going guys, according to my sources, you have now been
allocated the following: AEN 9-1078-7668
I tried to tell them that you were just a harmless bunch of kooks,
but they just wouldn't listen to me. Oh well, I tried.
Sorry guys,
Bruce
WOW Bruce is that good or bad? I can not find any reference to that in any of my secret cryptic code books. Nor my Johnny R Rocket Blastoff Secret Decoder Ring I got in a specially marked box of corn pops about 55 yrs ago.
Harmless yes - kooks I don't know about that. Just do not put your hand in the cage!
Drug companies were the ones most recently that I can think of that come to mind. Some pay PR firms to go out and find people who have taken a drug and had a favorable experience. They then pay them to spam the hell out of websites promoting the drug. Sometimes with off label uses. The drug companies say they aren't responsible if a person wants to talk about using their drug. They also claim it is an indirect transaction and they can't be held accountable under normal drug advertising rules. The FDA is against it because it doesn't come with all the side effects warnings, such as death, and many times it is for uses not what the drug was approved for.
It was amazing the first time I sat in a room with dozens of people doing this as a job. Typing away at a computer, talking on a forum..........
Hey you don't think maybe Sassy is one of them. She used the word Advil today.
Quote from: rick91351 on October 09, 2011, 05:56:07 PM
Hey you don't think maybe Sassy is one of them. She used the word Advil today.
Naw, she's not even a carrier, but I'm checkin' my bride's transactions of late.
Seems that pesky
'could cause rectal bleeding' side effect warning was left off a couple of her last 'great buys'.....
But, dang, do I ever feel peppy!
I'm surprised Gary, I handed you the encryption decode in
the following post.
What, Me Worry?
Bruce
(https://i593.photobucket.com/albums/tt15/rick91351/AENewman.jpg)
I just found this on my computer I think the FBI is on to us!
Speaking drugs and conspiracy, I'm still trying to get my head around, "miraculous breakthrough doctors have kept secret for years, now available to you". I've practiced quite a while, and frankly, I'm hurt I haven't been included in a single cover up yet. Could be I've failed some test of my subterfuge skill. I suppose it's why I no longer get those free pens at my clinic.
Quote from: Gary O on October 09, 2011, 06:07:27 PM
Naw, she's not even a carrier, but I'm checkin' my bride's transactions of late.
Seems that pesky 'could cause rectal bleeding' side effect warning was left off a couple of her last 'great buys'.....
But, dang, do I ever feel peppy!
I think you were supposed to stick it in the other end, Gary.... [waiting]
I've been hunting all weekend and saw the post by Squirrel. >:(
I was certain he'd been staring at the blinking lights on towers that are designed to suck the will of freedom loving people and instil the desire to drive mini vans and attend PTA meetings ::)
I was relieved to see the spelling difference.
Gotta go clean my guns now!
Quote from: rick91351 on October 09, 2011, 07:36:46 PM
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I just found this on my computer I think the FBI is on to us!
Well, criminy, rick, they got me too!
(https://i1125.photobucket.com/albums/l588/Garyo424/cabin/edbi.jpg)
Note to self: The other end next time
Note 2: Don't consult with AdironDoc about miraculous breakthrough drug to take care of side effects of other miraculous drugs, he's outta the loop.
Note 3: Ask wife about 'miraculous breakthrough drug' to keep me from trying to lick myself, and for neck pain.
Quote from: Gary O on October 10, 2011, 08:07:54 AM
Note 3: Ask wife about 'miraculous breakthrough drug' to keep me from trying to lick myself.
Sounds like a homeopathic remedy :o (sorry couldn't resist!)
Quote from: AdironDoc on October 10, 2011, 03:52:19 PM
Sounds like a homeopathic remedy :o (sorry couldn't resist!)
Oh, this is the kind of doctor that I could come to enjoy.
I could go s-o-o-o-o many places with this....
Quote from: peternap on October 10, 2011, 07:03:46 AM
I've been hunting all weekend and saw the post by Squirrel. >:(
HUNTING! Hunting is
murder! How heartless are you :(. Every living thing deserves to live a happy pain free life, that is why I want to hurt hunters. I only eat vegetables and I still feel guilty wondering if they feel pain. :-[
Peter I think you might find this useful. After reading this you will never hunt again. You can even donate and spread the word.
http://www.peta.org/issues/Wildlife/why-sport-hunting-is-cruel-and-unnecessary.aspx
rofl
AdironDoc
Do you have a degree in psychiatry?
If so, a potential patient has emerged.......
First session;
"So-o-o-o-o, did you start feeling that you were committing vegicide before or after your parents made you eat your broccoli?
And tell me again why you feel a kinship with most nuts, and felt yourself cannibalistic when eating them?"
Quote from: squirrel on October 11, 2011, 06:55:31 PM
------snip------------------- Every living thing deserves to live a happy pain free life, that is why I want to hurt hunters. I only eat vegetables and I still feel guilty wondering if they feel pain. :-[ -----------snip
WOW that is sort of double speak, double think. I really do not know why you would want to hurt me. I certainly do not want to hurt you! But if you do take your very best shot. You certainly do not scare me.
Because of an vocational issue I have the neck of a eighty year old man the docs tell me. It can hurt like like nothing else. Yet I am sixty years old. I have one leg shorter by a couple inches because of an industrial accident in a lumber planer mill. This causes a misalignment in my hips. I live in pain from that every day. I was kicked by a horse and shattered my right ankle. So that ankle has plates and these funky screws that can be the #$#@@#$ with the boots that I am required to wear for my vocation. My knees are arthritic. I have found I can live with a lot of pain. I also have a heart condition. So I know what pain and hurt is. I also have an understanding with any doctor I go to. No narcotics because 40 years ago I found myself addicted. So Squirrel I know pain and I know suffering. You certainly do not scare me.
I have two kids and several grand kids they cause me great joy, yet they can cause me hurt. So you nor hurt and pain do scare me.
I have back packed a great deal of Yellowstone Park, the Sawthooths here in Idaho along with the Frank Church Gospel Hump. All with the above listed litany of stuff. But with that watching nature around me and soaking it I love it. Does it hurt when I do it? Does it cause me pain? Yes every step of the way I know it is there. Not throbbing screaming pain but pain. However I am not afraid of pain, you do not scare me.
Have you ever had to deliver a calf, or a lamb and you and your soul mate, or husband or wife work with it all 24 / 7 to get it to live. Or cut a deer loose from a fence that is caught so it might live. I / we have. I / we have also seen them die this causes me / us great pain. But pain is part of life. If you are going to live and live life you will experience pain. So Squirrel, little god give it your best shot.
Yes dear Squirrel if you want to play god and hurt me then take your best shot. For you see pain and hurt has never stopped me from doing what I love to do. Along the way I think I have helped a few people, make a difference in some of their lives I hope. I bettered the living conditions for some humans as well as critters both wild and domestic. Up our ranch with spring improvements and wild life shelter. Take your best shot little god. All in all I feel I had been a pretty good steward for the land and been a good friend to wild life, and to people. So little god take your best shot.
So Squirrel if you want to be that little god that tells me that you hate me because I enjoy to hunt or fish. I really sort of think you have the problem not me. Take your best shot little god, take your best shot. Have you planted an orchard. I have over 100 fruits trees now and growing. How many trees have you planted? How many berries? Have you bettered the water supply for wild life? Have you given the doe a safe place to fawn? Well I have. So little god take your best shot. I certainly do not want to see you hurt or in pain. This causes me no glee, no ya he got his as it must you.
Though little god Squirrel you wish me harm even great harm and did curse me by wanting to hurt me. I choose to forgive you and I pray a blessing on you. For I wish no bad on you what so ever.
The Lord bless you and keep you;
The Lord make his face shine upon you and be gracious to you;
The Lord turn his face toward you and give you peace.
Ahhhh crap. The Tasmanian Tiger is extinct due to hunting? Jeez. And I just put a deposit on a hunt. Maybe I can transfer that to a spotted owl shoot instead. ;D
Quote from: NM_Shooter on October 11, 2011, 09:56:25 PM
Ahhhh crap. The Tasmanian Tiger is extinct due to hunting? Jeez. And I just put a deposit on a hunt. Maybe I can transfer that to a spotted owl shoot instead. ;D
Nope...I just got the last two.
Tomorrow, I'm gonna get some squirrels to feed Zeus! :-*
Quote from: peternap on October 11, 2011, 10:06:42 PM
Nope...I just got the last two.
Tomorrow, I'm gonna get some squirrels to feed Zeus! :-*
How is Zeus? We have not seen him as of late!
Quote from: Gary O on October 11, 2011, 07:45:28 PM
AdironDoc
Do you have a degree in psychiatry?
If so, a potential patient has emerged.......
First session;
"So-o-o-o-o, did you start feeling that you were committing vegicide before or after your parents made you eat your broccoli?
And tell me again why you feel a kinship with most nuts, and felt yourself cannibalistic when eating them?"
Actually, I'm a physiatrist..which bearing a striking resemblance to psychiatry, scares more than a few off. Those that stay will learn that my job is to fix aching backs, arthritic joints, injuries and the like. That wouldn't explain why after walking a few miles around my camp, I'm stooped and limping. Of course, I've never met a doctor I trusted, nor one (including me) that was a good patient! Besides, the therapists who work for me don't take my insurance. Neither do I for that matter. An hour in my hot tub with a few cold ones and I'm right as rain...
Quote from: squirrel on October 11, 2011, 06:55:31 PM
HUNTING! Hunting is murder! How heartless are you :(.
I have no idea if this is a serious comment or not? ???
If a serious comment, what can I say? Nothing I could say would ever change your mind. About the only thing I agree with in the article is to post "no hunting" signs on our property. I want to keep all those creatures for myself.
If this was a tongue in cheek comment, your aim was off.
Peter, does Zeus like chipmunks? We have a great number of them. Maybe we can UPS some in dry ice if we ship 'em on a Monday, second day.
Quote from: squirrel on October 11, 2011, 06:55:31 PM
Peter I think you might find this useful. After reading this you will never hunt again. You can even donate and spread the word.
http://www.peta.org/issues/Wildlife/why-sport-hunting-is-cruel-and-unnecessary.aspx
The first line on the peta site says it all. "Although [hunting] was a crucial part of humans' survival 100,000 years ago,...etc." What happened to the other 99, 800 years? And why can't I find anything on the site about all the pets PETA euthanized, sometimes outside the very homes of those that thought they were going to a new home? Shame shame! Then again..methinks that post might have been a troll.
Zeus if fine and being Zeus.
Don, I don't know if the Squirrel is serious either. He/She could be:
1.A regular yanking my chain which won't work during Deer Season ;D
2.A 12 year old playing with Mommy's Puter after watching Bambi.
3.One of the Little Mary's with PETA ( I did make fun of them here recently)
or 4......a seriously deranged person selling junk car scams in North Carolina.
Whatever it is, I am getting a good laugh at it so try to grab a few nuts Squirrel, stew pots a waiting
(http://drycreekpets.com/images/SD%2012-2007.jpg)
Quote from: AdironDoc on October 11, 2011, 10:45:18 PM
.....An hour in my hot tub with a few cold ones and I'm right as rain...
Again, my kinda doctor.
Doc, what's the latin abbreviation look like for 'cold ones'?
"2.A 12 year old playing with Mommy's Puter after watching Bambi.
3.One of the Little Mary's with PETA ( I did make fun of them here recently)
or 4......a seriously deranged person selling junk car scams in North Carolina."I thinks it's 2,3 and 4 combined
A crazed PETA member with the mind of a 12 yr old.
Oh wait, that describes all the PETA members
#3 final answer
Quote from: peternap on October 12, 2011, 06:58:20 AM
(http://drycreekpets.com/images/SD%2012-2007.jpg)
Gosh! That's a good take! Wish I'd see a squirrel or two in my camp. Heard they make good eatin'. Coyotes been running everything down lately. Got my 30-30 with me and figure I'll start thinning them out now.
ScottA, I'm still paying attention to your original post.
COINTELPRO Techniques for dilution, misdirection and control of an internet forum:
Technique #1 - 'FORUM SLIDING'
Technique #5 - 'ANGER TROLLING'
A user shows up just to do these things. Only 2 posts by Squirrel. Extreme irony of not wanting to hurt any living thing, but wanting to hurt a person. Guilt eating vegetables? ???
Out of pure coincidence, that is how I came to the user name squirl. It is a fun hunt. Even if they aren't considered kashrut, dogs love them. They are also a real pest for gardens. Horrible to skin though. The hunting forums I frequented squirrel was already taken, so squirl worked.
Glenn, I have no idea how this imposter is mimicking my IP address. ;)
Quote from: Gary O on October 12, 2011, 08:10:52 AM
Doc, what's the latin abbreviation look like for 'cold ones'?
Latin? Ain't never been much for imported beer, Gary, 'specially the Latin.. tho the ladies is fine with me.
And time was, medicine was measured in grains.. Me, I prefer mine with a bit more hops. ;D
Cheers
Quote from: Squirl on October 12, 2011, 08:14:28 AM
COINTELPRO Techniques for dilution, misdirection and control of an internet forum:
Technique #1 - 'FORUM SLIDING'
Technique #5 - 'ANGER TROLLING'
Coincidence indeed...
Could be we've been hit by a splinter group of current protesters, "Occupy Country Plans".
As for "dilution, misdirection and control", Squirl, I thought you were referring to the presidential race ;)
Quote from: AdironDoc on October 12, 2011, 08:20:01 AM
Latin? Ain't never been much for imported beer, Gary, 'specially the Latin.. tho the ladies is fine with me.
And time was, medicine was measured in grains.. Me, I prefer mine with a bit more hops. ;D
Cheers
I was just referring to perscriptions...
But yes, been a porter guy (local brew) for awhile, but gettin' into IPAs of late.......searching for the perfect one....may never find it (I hope).
Quote from: peternap on October 12, 2011, 06:58:20 AM
1.A regular yanking my chain which won't work during Deer Season ;D
2.A 12 year old playing with Mommy's Puter after watching Bambi.
3.One of the Little Mary's with PETA ( I did make fun of them here recently)
or 4......a seriously deranged person selling junk car scams in North Carolina.
Whatever it is, I am getting a good laugh at it so try to grab a few nuts Squirrel, stew pots a waiting
1. probably
2. doubt it
3. could be
4. no way rofl
QuoteGlenn, I have no idea how this imposter is mimicking my IP address.
I appreciate nicely done satire, especially during deer season.
I prefer my satire medium rare, with a side of grilled mushrooms.
Quote from: muldoon on October 12, 2011, 10:10:19 AM
I appreciate nicely done satire, especially during deer season.
It's hard to stir up trouble on a forum where everyone argues but all arguments are 80% friendly and 20% in Jest....huh squirl [slap]
Quote from: Gary O on October 12, 2011, 09:06:36 AM
I was just referring to perscriptions...
Latin: Imbibus frigus maximus..
Standard Rx format: "Beer, 12oz can/bottle, Sig: take one bottle as needed (by mouth), may repeat as necessary, Disp: 1 6 pack, unlimited refills (depends on how well you know your host). Do not substitute generic. Caution: May cause laughter and eventually, disruptive behavior ;D
Quote from: AdironDoc on October 12, 2011, 08:13:23 AM
Gosh! That's a good take! Wish I'd see a squirrel or two in my camp. Heard they make good eatin'. Coyotes been running everything down lately. Got my 30-30 with me and figure I'll start thinning them out now.
If you're referring to thinning out coyotes... shooting is a good way to increase the population, they breed harder under pressure.
We were talking about rodenticide and our eating prejudices the other day at work. Skin out a squirrel and a corn crib rat and decide who looks like better fare, and then consider that one is grain fed :-\. We've been overrun by chipmunks so have been researching some marketing ploys, kinda torn between chippy poppers and chip kabobs. People Eating Tasty Animals :)
One of my favorite homeowner quotes from George, "All beer is good, some is better"