I saw some of McCain & Obamas forum tonight. McCain said he was not in favor of raising taxes but rather cutting expenses. He said do you realize that we spent 3 million dollars studying the DNA of bears in Montana. He said he wasn't sure if it was a paternity issue or a criminal issue. Somehow I missed Obama's answer to the tax issue question as I was running around when he got asked that question. I like McCains attitude about this type of pork barrell spending. I guess I should have sat still and watched the entire thing but I needed to feed my dogs and Obama's time seemed the opportune moment.
I think this election has already been decided Des. I just don't know who the winner is. In this election. more than any I can remember. voters have already decided who to vote for (or against).
Well, I watched the whole show. They both said what their supporters wanted to hear.
Myself, I believe the conventions will contain much more fireworks.
Denver could be real interesting.
VP's?? ???
I don't know who the "winner" will be either, but I do know who the loser will be. US
You got that right.
I didn't need to worry about the part I missed. It has been on over and over again since then either in part or in whole. Kind of like the commercials. I am so sick of seeing the same crap repeated. All I have to do to induce vomiting is hear Billy Mays voice just one more time. Then there is Majic Jack or whatever. I have been trying to watch more these days. I used to ignore all of that crap. But here I am in the heat of the summer not really wanting to go outside unless I need to. My age is showing. When the candidates actually have to pick their running mates and alienate the rest there could be fireworks. Somehow I get the idea Bill Clinton and Obama could have fireworks at any given moment. Then we will have to listen to all the expert analysts that I have never heard of explain how they made the wrong choices. Of the two I would have to say McCain comes closest to where I am at. And only then with serious reservations about a number of things.
These guys are nothing more than 2 different shades of grey. Until people stop buying into the 2 party system that "they" so eagerly provide for us, the American people are in for the "same old, same old". It would be nice if politicians stopped treating the Constitution like a piece of toilet paper, but I guess I'm dreaming. The sheep are so easily led to the slaughter.
They are the choices you are allowed. Not the choices you would vote for for the good of the country. They are what the world bankers and big business will allow. The vote is a sham to make you feel responsible for their actions and like you had a part in the say of what they do in your name. Your vote is stolen if only for them to use to get the one they would like to work with most besides the fact that both figurehead puppets are total crap.
You will not find a choice who will improve things for the working class, stop killing for oil, no-bid contracts or the transfer of money from the taxpayers and working class to big business. Most corporations pay no taxes.
Glenn, you ever wonder why common sense isn't so common any more? It's as if most people, can't see what's right in front of their face. Pretty pathetic state of affairs if you ask me.
It is the programming afforded by TV, sports, team spirit, answering to bells and whistles at public schools --- programming to not question authority. Follow along unquestioningly. You can only do the thing you are trained for - plumber - don't pick up a hammer - electrician, don't pick up a trowel, working class - don't try to lead the country - sit back continue shopping - nevermind the man behind the curtain.
They are trying to steal our common sense by insurance and lawyers - litigation for everything - no one is ever at fault because they are stupid or did a stupid thing. There is always a lawyer willing to take up your case and make you a small fortune from the cup of spilled hot coffee, and him another payment on his big fortune. Stupid, stupid, stupid. d*
We are being trained to be little stupid machines playing along in the system of the elite. No thought for ourselves. That's what they want.
Resist. Dare to learn everybody's trades - you are not the mind limited little idiots they want you to think you are. Dare to look at a book, the net , ask questions from someone who knows. Dare to figure out that the politicians, world leaders, bankers, moneychangers want you to remain stupid and oblivious to your real abilities and see them for what they are. Thieves using us as slaves to their war/oil/money machines.
Dare to think for yourselves. Dare to open your eyes and your minds.
Dare to re-find common sense and go back to the time when a man's word was his contract.
(At this time that one must be used with caution. Many are not trustworthy but it is a goal to work toward and you can start using it as you find more people you can trust to be true friends. These are the ones you can trust to cover your back).
Glenn, I couldn't have said it better myself. I could rant on and on about it, but you summed it up pretty well. ;D It's nice to know that there are at least some out there that are like minded. c*
Thanks, Mad Dog. My second grade teacher taught me who to look out for -- she was one of the meanest teachers I ever had but at least showed me that and the fact that we shouldn't limit our learning abilities by the class we are put in by others. She gave you whatever you could handle - we had 3 grades in one room but she gave us work even above those grades. I was doing 9th grade algebra in the second grade. The downside is that the next 10 years of school were many times very boring.
Nice to see people come here with their eyes open and nice to hope that others will open theirs through what they learn.
Quote from: glenn kangiser on August 18, 2008, 10:16:38 AM
They are the choices you are allowed. Not the choices you would vote for for the good of the country. They are what the world bankers and big business will allow. The vote is a sham to make you feel responsible for their actions and like you had a part in the say of what they do in your name. Your vote is stolen if only for them to use to get the one they would like to work with most besides the fact that both figurehead puppets are total crap.
You will not find a choice who will improve things for the working class, stop killing for oil, no-bid contracts or the transfer of money from the taxpayers and working class to big business. Most corporations pay no taxes.
U.S. banking giant switches billions in debt to Britain to avoid paying corporation tax for 60 yearsDaily Mail | August 15, 2008
Merrill Lynch might not pay any corporation tax for the next 60 years, it emerged today.
The giant American investment bank, which employs thousands in the City, has made losses of $29 billion (£15 billion) for its exposure to the U.S. subprime mortgage crisis.
But it has charged the amount to its British arm, meaning it can offset the losses against corporation tax for decades to come.
Accountants say that the move, which is set to spark anger among ordinary taxpayers, is legal but unusual. con't at link
http://www.infowars.com/?p=3989
Interesting but I am confused. I can understand moving income away from the tax structure but not losses. I guess there are a lot of things I don't understand.
Just a guess but offshore income is about the only one that's supposed to be legally taxed so maybe they moved the losses overseas to offset any offshore income...and maybe I'm all wrong. d*
Yeah it confused me too - but Enron doesn't have anything on the creative financing/banking system of today... there's a documentary that will be playing around the country on 8/21 at major theaters called IOUSA - Warren Buffet is interviewed in depth as well as others - wonder if the real truth will come out... the same movie company as the "Super Size Me" documentary has produced it.
http://www.agorafinancial.com/iousa/movietrailer.html
I'm thinking about going since I have to be in town Thursday eve for an early class on Friday - hopefully it isn't a lot of propaganda...
Bush & cronies have loosened & changed the rules & laws so much - remember, Bush was a good friend of Kenneth Lay CEO of Enron & Cheney met with the heads of the energy/oil companies to plan out how to gouge the USA citizen... Bush & Cheney have continued to refuse to release the records... I assume there will just be more of the same with Obama & McCain... >:( d*
I love how what used to be called crooked is now called creative financing.
Quote from: ScottA on August 18, 2008, 02:49:59 PM
I love how what used to be called crooked is now called creative financing.
rofl rofl
The funny thing about that bear DNA joke is that while McCain mocks that bill, but doesn't tell the audience that he actually voted for it (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/08/18/mccain-voted-for-earmark_n_119651.html):
QuoteDespite the fun McCain had ridiculing the bear project on the Senate floor, he didn't actually try to remove it from the bill. He did introduce several amendments, including three to reduce funding for projects he considered wasteful or harmful, but none removing the grizzly bear project appropriations. And despite his criticisms, he voted in favor of the final bill.
So what does that tell us about McCain? Is he deliberately trying to deceive us, or is he senile and doesn't remember voting for it?
Well that is pretty interesting. I thought he was foo-fooing it because he opposed it. One would draw that conslusion based on the context from which it was taken. He was discussing excessive spending. I guess I am too gullable. I just received a request for a contribution addressed from Mr. McCain. I will print this article and send it back in their postage paid envelope along with a little letter of my own. Then I guess I better look out for the black helicopters.
Tell him to have his wife lend him a few mil after he has spent all of his social security check.
I was thinking more of telling him he needs to talk out of just one side of his mouth at a time. I can write a pretty mean letter when I get down to it. I think he needs to get in touch with the lingering uncommitted voter sentiment. And I am from his home state for what little that is worth.
The state of confusion?
I'm sure you have it more together than he does, des. rofl.
Confusion it is. We all have our comfort zones. Some times I wonder if I am getting old timers. My shoes usually match and my belt is usually buckled. My wardrobe is simple. I have jeans and t-shirts. It's really a bear when you get up and can't decide what to wear. d*
...but it's a real downer when you find out late morning that you have been running all around town with your fly opened. d*
No wonder that cute little clerk had a problem maintaining eye contact as she spoke.
Obama and McCain: Pawns of the Global Elite?
By Patrick Wood, Editor
Will it matter if Obama or McCain are elected in November? Hardly.
Both are rigidly backed by important members of the Trilateral Commission who hijacked the Executive Branch of the U.S. government starting in 1976 with the election of Jimmy Carter.
In Obama's case, Zbigniew Brzezinski (co-founder of the Commission in 1973) is emerging as his principal advisor on foreign policy. Ex-Fed Chairman Paul Volker has made a once-in-a-lifetime, glowing endorsement of Obama. Madelyn Albright is seen sitting next to Obama in several conferences. Shoot, even Jimmy Carter himself endorses Obama. All are top members of the Commission.
John McCain is being supported by several Trilateral Commission giants including: Henry Kissinger, George Schultz, Lawrence Eagleburger and Alexander Haig. All of these are ex-Secretaries of State who issued a joint endorsement of McCain early-on in his campaign.
And, unless Obama shoots both of his own feet (or...?) before the general presidential election in November, he is most likely to be the next president of the United States.
You would think that Americans would want to know who the "special interests" are that are embodied by this Trilateral Commission, and what they intend to do or not do with America.
What is the Trilateral Commission?
The Trilateral Commission was founded by the persistent maneuvering of David Rockefeller and Zbigniew Brzezinski in 1973. Rockefeller was chairman of the ultra-powerful Chase Manhattan Bank, a director of many major multinational corporations and "endowment funds" and had long been a central figure in the Council on Foreign Relations (CFR). Brzezinski, a brilliant prognosticator of one-world idealism, was a professor at Columbia University and the author of several books that have served as "policy guidelines" for the Trilateral Commission.
Brzezinski served as the Commission's first executive director from its inception in 1973 until late 1976 when he was appointed by President Jimmy Carter as Assistant to the President for National Security Affairs.
The initial Commission membership was approximately three hundred, with roughly one hundred each from Europe, Japan and North America. Membership was also roughly divided between academics, politicians and corporate magnates; these included international bankers, leaders of prominent labor unions and corporate directors of media giants.
The word commission was puzzling since it is usually associated with instrumentalities set up by governments. It seemed out of place with a so-called private group unless we could determine that it really was an arm of a government - an unseen government, different from the visible government in Washington. European and Japanese involvement indicated a world government rather than a national government. We hoped that the concept of a sub-rosa world government was just wishful thinking on the part of the Trilateral Commissioners. The facts, however, lined up quite pessimistically.
If the Council on Foreign Relations could be said to be a spawning ground for the concepts of one-world idealism, then the Trilateral Commission was the "task force" assembled to assault the beachheads. Already the Commission had placed its members in the top posts the U.S. had to offer. con't below or go to link
https://www.augustreview.com/news_commentary/u.s._elections/obama_and_mccain%3a_pawns_of_the_global_elite?_2008080597/
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Jimmy Carter: The first Trilateral president
President James Earl Carter, the country politician who promised, "I will never lie to you," was chosen to join the Commission by Brzezinski in 1973. It was Brzezinski, in fact, who first identified Carter as presidential timber, and subsequently educated him in economics, foreign policy, and the ins-and-outs of world politics. Upon Carter's election, Brzezinski was appointed assistant to the president for national security matters. Commonly, he was called the head of the National Security Council because he answered only to the president - some said Brzezinski held the second most powerful position in the U.S.
Carter's running mate, Walter Mondale, was also a member of the Commission. (If you are trying to calculate the odds of three virtually unknown men, out of over sixty Commissioners from the U.S., capturing the three most powerful positions in the land, don't bother. Your calculations will be meaningless.)
On January 7, 1977 Time Magazine, whose editor-in-chief, Hedley Donovan was a powerful Trilateral, named President Carter "Man of the Year." The sixteen-page article in that issue not only failed to mention Carter's connection with the Commission but also stated the following:
"As he searched for Cabinet appointees, Carter seemed at times hesitant and frustrated disconcertingly out of character. His lack of ties to Washington and the Party Establishment - qualities that helped raise him to the White House - carry potential dangers. He does not know the Federal Government or the pressures it creates. He does not really know the politicians whom he will need to help him run the country."
Was this portrait of Carter as a political innocent simply inaccurate or was it deliberately misleading? By December 25, 1976 - two weeks before the Time article appeared - Carter had already chosen his cabinet. Three of his cabinet members – Cyrus Vance, Michael Blumenthal, and Harold Brown - were Trilateral Commissioners; and the other non-Commission members were not unsympathetic to Commission objectives and operations. In addition, Carter had appointed another fourteen Trilateral Commissioners to top government posts, including:
* C. Fred Bergsten (Under Secretary of Treasury)
* James Schlesinger (Secretary of Energy)
* Elliot Richardson (Delegate to Law of the Sea)
* Leonard Woodcock (Chief envoy to China)
* Andrew Young (Ambassador to the United Nations).
As of 25 December 1976, therefore, there were nineteen Trilaterals, including Carter and Mondale, holding tremendous political power. These presidential appointees represented almost one-third of the Trilateral Commission members from the United States. The odds of that happening "by chance" are beyond calculation!
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Realities of the New World Order
Barry GoldwaterIn 1972, Brzezinski's wrote that "nation-state as a fundamental unit of man's organized life has ceased to be the principal creative force: International banks and multinational corporations are acting and planning in terms that are far in advance of the political concepts of the nation-state."
The late Senator Barry Goldwater (R-AZ) was one of a very few people who understood what Brzezinski was alluding to, when he issued a clear and precise warning in his 1979 book, With No Apologies:
"The Trilateral Commission is international and is intended to be the vehicle for multinational consolidation of the commercial and banking interests by seizing control of the political government of the United States. The Trilateral Commission represents a skillful, coordinated effort to seize control and consolidate the four centers of power – political, monetary, intellectual and ecclesiastical."
Trilateral Entrenchment: 1980-2008
Every Administration since Carter has had top-level Trilateral Commission representation through the President or Vice-President, or both! George H.W. Bush, Bill Clinton, Al Gore and Dick Cheney are all members.
In turn, these have appointed their Trilateral cronies to top positions in their Administrations.
For instance, six out of seven World Bank presidents have been members of the Commission. Eight out of ten USTR's (U.S. Trade Representative) have been members.
Secretaries of State include Henry Kissinger, Cyrus Vance, Alexander Haig, George Schultz, Lawrence Eagleburger, Warren Christopher and Madeleine Albright. Yep, all members of the Trilateral Commission.
Follow the money, follow the power
John McCainYou decide which is scarier: Obama and Brzezinski or McCain and Henry Kissinger?
Either way, Americans will continue to lose...
Every major crisis we face today is directly attributable to policies put forth and executed by members of this Trilateral Commission: Banking/lending/mortgage crisis, energy/gas price crisis, food/shortage/price crisis.
In addition, in the last fifteen to twenty years we have lost of millions of prime manufacturing jobs to China, India and Mexico. Our prime assets are being purchased by sovereign wealth funds and foreign investors. Our currency has all but been destroyed throughout the world.
Remember Brzezinski's vision that "international banks and multinational corporations are acting and planning in terms that are far in advance of the political concepts of the nation-state"?
Well, that's been true enough. But, for all their acting and planning at the expense of our own prosperity and Sovereignty, who wants or needs more of the same under Obama or McCain? With friends like this, who needs enemies?
For several Presidential elections now, this writer has voted according to the philosophy of voting for the "lesser of two evils." Never again!
A vote for either Obama or McCain is a vote for the complete destruction of America!
https://www.augustreview.com/news_commentary/u.s._elections/obama_and_mccain%3a_pawns_of_the_global_elite?_2008080597/
Yep.
i kind of thought carter was one of the only legit honest politicians in America... the guy is 80+ and he still works for unicef and amnesty and goes all over the world to help with elections ....He needs no money...
Pretty down to earth guy...He when home still goes to the same church he did as a kid...And meets with people afterwards and talks down to earth guy...
Opec forming and holding america for ransom with oil prices kind of sealed the deal on Carter...I would think that if the powers that be had hand selected Carter....They would not have allowed him to go through that....Considering they should or could hold sway all over the world....
After his term in office Carter has not tried to steal the show or spotlight...he just keeps on giving and helping people... He spent years in the middle east trying to get the Jews to live up to their word and to honour past peace accords...Maybe that was why he was thrown to the wolves... because he was not a fan of Israel committing genocide on the palestinians
Carter seems like a nice guy personally, all the altruistic stuff he does, also, you didn't mention Habitat for Humanity... I just think when he was placed in the position of president, he was very inexperienced & listened to a lot of people who espoused some unconstitutional things. One world gov't sounds good on one level - why don't we all just get along; communism sounds good on a certain level - everyone share & help each other out - if you can't work, we'll help you out. But humankind being what it is... Our Republic, Bill of Rights, Constitution, Declaration of Independence are all great ideas/ideals but when a society degenerates to the level that a majority of our society has done, when no one really wants to do the work of public office except to see how much a person can milk it for, when people no longer have inner controls on their behavior - then it takes a more drastic type of gov't - I guess what we are seeing now of the police state which doesn't care who you are - everyone is a peon except for the masters & you must obey or else...
When Carter was President mortgage interest was in the 18% range. If I remember right that was about the time Reagon was trimming the fat in the California State Government budget and we were hoping he could accomplish something similar at the national level. You probably won't hear about Carter economics at the Democratic Convention.
After listening to Joe Biden tonight I think I like him better than McCain or Obama.
I'll have to read a bit more about Biden... from what I've read so far, I wouldn't trust him - he's just another globalist - they all sound good when they have a script in front of them & they're promising you the world so that they'll get their own way...
Just a bit more on what I posted earlier - has to do with our election & what is going on around the world...
Socialists made eugenics fashionable
Michael Coren, National Post Published: Tuesday, June 17, 2008
An exhibition of the history of those scientific ideas that gave a grimy intellectual veneer to the Nazi genocide opened recently at the Canadian War Museum in Ottawa. The collection centres on eugenics, the notion that humanity can be improved and perfected by selective breeding and the elimination of individuals and groups considered to be undesirable. Entitled Deadly Medicine: Creating the Master Race, it reveals how it was not thoughtless right-wing thugs as much as writers and scientists, the intellectual elite, who led the movement.
The exhibit is important, accurate but, regrettably, long overdue. It also fails to stress just how much the socialist left initiated and supported the eugenics campaign, not only in Germany but in Britain, the U. S. and the rest of Europe. Playwright George Bernard Shaw, English social democrat leader Sydney Webb and, in Canada, Tommy Douglas were just three influential socialists who called, for example, for the mass sterilization of the handicapped. In his Master's thesis The Problems of the Subnormal Family, the now revered Douglas argued that the mentally and even physically disabled should be sterilized and sent to camps so as not to "infect" the rest of the population.
It is deeply significant that few if any of Douglas's left-wing comrades in this country or internationally were surprised or offended by his proposals. Indeed the early fascism of 1920s Italy, while unsavoury and dictatorial, had little connection with social engineering and eugenics. The latter German version of fascism was influenced not by ultra conservatism in southern Europe but, as is made clear in the writings of the Nazi ideologues, by the Marxist left.
The most vociferous and outspoken of the socialist eugenicists was the novelist H. G. Wells, author of The Time Machine, The War of the Worlds and The Invisible Man. He argued in best-selling books such as Anticipations and A Modern Utopia that the world would collapse and from this collapse a new order should and would emerge.
"People throughout the world whose minds were adapted to the big-scale conditions of the new time. A naturally and informally organised educated class, an unprecedented sort of people." A strict social order would be formed. At the bottom of it were the base. These were "people who had given evidence of a strong anti-social disposition", including "the black, the brown, the swarthy, the yellow." Christians would also "have to go" as well as the handicapped. Wells devoted entire pamphlets to the need of "preventing the birth, preventing the procreation or preventing the existence" of the mentally and physically handicapped. "This thing, this euthanasia of the weak and the sensual is possible. I have little or no doubt that in the future it will be planned and achieved."
The people of Africa and Asia, he said, simply could never find a place in a modern world controlled by science. Better to do away with the lot. "I take it they will have to go" he said of them. Marriage as it is known would have to end but couples could form mutually agreed unions. They would list their "desires, diseases, needs" on little cards and a central authority would decide who was fitted for whom.
Population would be rigidly controlled, with forced abortion for those who were not of the right class and race. Religion would be banned, children would be raised in communes and all would be well. The old and the ill would, naturally, have to be done away with and doctors would be given the authority to decide who had a right to live, who had a duty to die.
In the United States socialist writer Margaret Sanger, the founder of Planned Parenthood and the mother of the abortion movement, called for a radical eugenics approach as early as the first years of the 20th century. She wrote of the need for "a stern and rigid policy of sterilization and segregation to that grade of population whose progeny is already tainted or whose inheritance is such that objectionable traits may be transmitted to offspring. It is a vicious cycle; ignorance breeds poverty and poverty breeds ignorance. There is only one cure for both, and that is to stop breeding these things. Stop bringing to birth children whose inheritance cannot be one of health or intelligence. Stop bringing into the world children whose parents cannot provide for them. Herein lies the key of civilization."
The key of civilization. Unlocking the doors of a hell once unimaginable but now, after the Holocaust, the Ukrainian genocide, Pol Pot and Mao's mass slaughter, entirely within the grasp of contemporary sensibilities. History is often clouded by fashion and the whims of the victorious. Because some of the most pernicious intellectual criminals of the past century wore red they have escaped condemnation. It is time for the clouds to clear and the fashions to change.
http://www.nationalpost.com/news/world/story.html?id=592291
I don't know much about Biden either. He made some sense during his speech. Rather it was just a tell em what they want to hear speech I can't say. As I was typing that I was pretty sure someone would google about 50 reasons to not like the guy. Happens every time. Hope springs eternal that someday we will have a candidate that actually stands for something. He had the courage to stand up and call McCain a friend and then state everything he thought was wrong with McCain's politics. His mantra was that's not change that's more of the same (as we have had for the last eight years). Bill Clinton said the Republican's want the last 8 years performance rewarded by giving them 4 more years. It all hit home for me. Given where we are at today that makes for a pretty good pitch. It will be interesting to see who McCain annouces for a running mate. Like I said somewhere else neither Presidential candidate may survive 4 years in office. So we may actually be voting for the VP's.
Quote from: desdawg on August 27, 2008, 11:13:03 PM
When Carter was President mortgage interest was in the 18% range. .......You probably won't hear about Carter economics at the Democratic Convention.
The only thing good about those years were if you did not have a mortgage, but had cash you simply wanted to park someplace real safe like a CD. I was still in Canada at the time, living in a rented warehouse space with my race car, but with savings towards a house. I believe I had it all in 14 to 15 % CD's.
I was a new accts rep at a bank in Washington at the time... we had a contest one year to bring in new accts or have people change from lower interest, short term CD's to longer term, higher interest CD's - it was very easy to convince people to change to longer term - I made a lot of points towards items I could select from a catalog - freezer, dishes, dishwasher, rocking chair among other things... the rules were pretty loose - one employee who was asst operations, sent letters out to everyone - after a couple months they tightened up the rules as I'm sure it was costing the bank a lot of money.
I worked at Rainier Bank (since has merged with other banks) I remember when they had open house at their new building in Seattle - the one built on a pedestal... all employees were invited to an all expenses paid weekend in Seattle & tours of the building. I remember the opulence of the offices, hallways etc. Antique oriental rugs, priceless art & artifacts, expensive furniture, fancy dining room where they served us a gourmet lunch... I wasn't complaining - pretty poor at the time & this was nice... just think of all the perks the higher ups & their friends in the banking systems are enjoying... (little bit of off topic)
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I don't think anyone's ready to be president until they've been parents of teenagers. And survived.
Quote from: MountainDon on August 28, 2008, 09:57:17 AM
Quote from: desdawg on August 27, 2008, 11:13:03 PM
When Carter was President mortgage interest was in the 18% range. .......You probably won't hear about Carter economics at the Democratic Convention.
The only thing good about those years were if you did not have a mortgage, but had cash you simply wanted to park someplace real safe like a CD. I was still in Canada at the time, living in a rented warehouse space with my race car, but with savings towards a house. I believe I had it all in 14 to 15 % CD's.
For every cloud there is a silver lining, huh Don. Today you are lucky to break out above 4% unless you tie your funds up for 18 months or so. I can't bring myself to do that in these uncertain times.
And None Dare Call It Treason—McCain Advisor's Georgia Connection
By Patrick J. Buchanan
Who is Randy Scheunemann?
He is the principal foreign policy adviser to John McCain and potential successor to Henry Kissinger and Zbigniew Brzezinski as national security adviser to the president of the United States.
But Randy Scheunemann has another identity, another role.
He is a dual loyalist, a foreign agent whose assignment is to get America committed to spilling the blood of her sons for client regimes who have made this moral mercenary a rich man.
From January 2007 to March 2008, the McCain campaign paid Scheunemann $70,000—pocket change compared to the $290,000 his Orion Strategies banked in those same 15 months from the Georgian regime of Mikheil Saakashvili.
What were Mikheil's marching orders to Tbilisi's man in Washington? Get Georgia a NATO war guarantee. Get America committed to fight Russia, if necessary, on behalf of Georgia.
Scheunemann came close to succeeding.
Had he done so, U.S. soldiers and Marines from Idaho and West Virginia would be killing Russians in the Caucasus, and dying to protect Scheunemann's client, who launched this idiotic war the night of Aug. 7. That people like Scheunemann hire themselves out to put American lives on the line for their clients is a classic corruption of American democracy.
U.S. backing for his campaign to retrieve his lost provinces is what Saakashvili paid Scheunemann to produce. But why should Americans fight Russians to force 70,000 South Ossetians back into the custody of a regime they detest? Why not let the South Ossetians decide their own future in free elections?
Not only is the folly of the Bush interventionist policy on display in the Caucasus, so, too, is its manifest incoherence.
Defense Secretary Robert Gates says we have sought for 45 years to stay out of a shooting war with Russia and we are not going to get into one now. President Bush assured us there will be no U.S. military response to the Russian move into Georgia.
That is a recognition of, and a bowing to, reality—namely, that Russia's control of South Ossetia and Abkhazia and occupation of a strip of Georgia cannot be a casus belli for the United States. We may deplore it, but it cannot justify war with Russia.
If that be true, and it transparently is, what are McCain, Barack Obama, Bush, and German Chancellor Angela Merkel doing committing the United States and Germany to bringing Georgia into NATO? For that would commit us to war for a cause we have already conceded, by our paralysis, does not justify a war.
Not only did Scheunemann's two-man lobbying firm receive $730,000 since 2001 to get Georgia a NATO war guarantee, he was paid by Romania and Latvia to do the same. And he succeeded.
Latvia, a tiny Baltic republic annexed by Joseph Stalin in June 1940 during his pact with Adolf Hitler, was set free at the end of the Cold War. Yet hundreds of thousands of Russians had been moved into Latvia by Stalin, and as Riga served as a base of the Baltic Sea fleet, many Russian naval officers retired there.
The children and grandchildren of these Russians are Latvian citizens. They are a cause of constant tension with ethnic Letts and of strife with Moscow, which has assumed the role of protector of Russians left behind in the "near abroad" when the Soviet Union broke apart.
Thanks to the lobbying of Scheunemann and friends, Latvia has been brought into NATO and given a U.S. war guarantee. If Russia intervenes to halt some nasty ethnic violence in Riga, the United States is committed to come in and drive the Russians out.
This is the situation in which the interventionists have placed our country: committed to go to war for countries and causes that do not justify war, against a Russia that is re-emerging as a great power only to find NATO squatting on her doorstep.
Scheunemann's resume as a War Party apparatchik is lengthy. He signed the PNAC (Project for the New American Century) letter to President Clinton urging war on Iraq, four years before 9-11. He signed the PNAC ultimatum to Bush, nine days after 9-11, threatening him with political reprisal if he did not go to war against Iraq. He was executive director of the "Committee for the Liberation of Iraq," a propaganda front for Ahmad Chalabi and his pack of liars who deceived us into war.
Now Scheunemann is the neocon agent in place in McCain's camp.
The neocons got their war with Iraq. They are pushing for war on Iran. And they are now baiting the Russian Bear.
Is this what McCain has on offer? Endless war?
Why would McCain seek foreign policy counsel from the same discredited crowd that has all but destroyed the presidency of George Bush?
"Against the insidious wiles of foreign influence ... a free people ought to be constantly awake," Washington warned in his Farewell Address. Our Founding Father was warning against the Randy Scheunemanns among us, agents hired by foreign powers to deceive Americans into fighting their wars. And none dare call it treason. http://www.itszone.co.uk/zone0/viewtopic.php?t=94460
sassy... is this the same pat buchanan that is now a tv analyst who always sticks up for the rep. party? that article does not bode well for the future if true. :-[
I wouldn't say Patrick J Buchanan is in support of the republican party much anymore, although he was going to be John McCain's running mate in 2000 - he thrashes the republicans & the far conservative right & neo-cons... I was pleasantly surprised when I started reading some of his articles... he writes a syndicated column - I used to think he was just another shill politician...
here's some books he's written among others
State of Emergency: The Third World Invasion ... - 2006 - 332 pages
Where The Right Went Wrong: How ... - 2005 - 292 pages
A Republic Not an Empire: Reclaiming America's ... - 1999 - 464 pages
books.google.com - More book results »
http://theuglytruth.wordpress.com/2008/09/10/high-level-assassination-the-staged-event-to-bring-about-war-with-iran/
Interesting article on how things are arranged to happen.
I've started looking for dirt. Here's the ground breaking shovel load.
http://noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/07/05/obamas-acorn/ (http://noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/07/05/obamas-acorn/)
To be fair, I believe the Keating five might ring a bell with a few folks.
Looks like the candidates have been upstaged by Ike, Fannie and Freddie and Lehman Brothers. If they want some attention they may have to get in the middle of one of those issues.
How can they take a fine upstanding indigenous food like the ACORN and drag it's name through the dirt by associating it with politics? hmm
What the hell is social justice? How about, get off your ass, and get a job. >:(
I guess they are both more of the war party. My daughter just recommended this to me as a reminder of what is going on.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0GRR_n_yQGA War Pigs set to current events - not too old.
I hate to see business as usual but it looks like it will continue no matter who it is.
Good video Glenn. I hate to say it but you're right. It will go on.
It is and has pretty much always been one of the motivations for war - oil, greed, power and control of the people by fabricated bogeymen and fear.
It's too dangerous for you to have your freedom...give it to us and we'll take care of you....as they continue to create an environment that insures their continued power and profit.
Freedom is gone as we voluntarily imprison ourselves to prevent going through the possible TSA hassles assured by international travel. Besides the fact that all of our decent jobs have been outsourced to maximize profits. They have not fully thought all of this out as the US financial and housing markets take the bite for their ill conceived profit taking.
More of the same to come, but how much more will the system stand. It's already on life support. Anybody seen the advance directives? hmm
Ever since this business with Russia started I've been trying to figure out what they are up to. Starting to look like an end game since none of it really makes any sense else. World wide financial crash followed by world war is my guess. I'd like to be a fly on the wall in one of the meetings where the masters of the universe lay out their plans to our politicos and hear how they sell armagedon.
15,000 for kindergarten? Bring on the vouchers!!!
http://pittsburghlive.com/x/valleyindependent/news/s_582247.html?source=rss&feed=30 (http://pittsburghlive.com/x/valleyindependent/news/s_582247.html?source=rss&feed=30)
Quote from: ScottA on September 13, 2008, 04:46:03 PM
Ever since this business with Russia started I've been trying to figure out what they are up to. Starting to look like an end game since none of it really makes any sense else. World wide financial crash followed by world war is my guess. I'd like to be a fly on the wall in one of the meetings where the masters of the universe lay out their plans to our politicos and hear how they sell armagedon.
It appears we want war with Russia too. We had 2000 trainers in Georgia to help train them and set up the massacre and destruction of several S. Ossetian cities. Russia just decided they weren't going to allow that to continue and they had the clout to stop it. Our trainers can't pretend they didn't know what was up. Crimoney. That would make them just like the American people.
War is big money.
The fact that our taxes are being spent so far into the future our children's children will never be able to pay them does not matter. What matters is that the pockets of the elite are being filled with the profits from our debt and their war machine manufacturing, while they try to rule the world. The problem is that much of the rest of the world does not see it in the same light.
OK - The idiot lady has me going now-- She said Iraq was linked to 9/11 when even Bush said Iraq had nothing to do with it.
http://blogs.independent.co.uk/the_campaign_trailers/2008/09/iraq-linked-to.html
Bush says Iraq had nothing to do with 9/11 video
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f_A77N5WKWM
Go ahead and lie, Sarah. 90% won't check it out and take you at your word. 5% will think you are ignorant but cute enough to ignore it. 5% will see you for the lying politician that you are.
Yeah glenn. The coverage of the campaign is getting a little agrivating to me in the past few days. No one seems to be talking about the issues. I am used to politicians craftly fudging the truths. All sides do it. You have to really look through what they say. They babble on for hours without saying anything. They craft positions without taking a stance. They avoid and make excuses for past mistakes. I'm used to this.
The McCain straight talk express went off the rails. I disagreed with a lot of his positions, but I respected him. He supports many unpopular decisions, such as the voting to give the president the authorization to go to war with iraq, and never backs down. If he thought it was wrong, he would admit it and move on. But over the past few days I have heard non-stop about Palin not supporting the "bridge to nowhere". I have even seen the pictures on her wearing the "no where" Alaska shirt. She was a stong ardent supporter for years. I don't agree with her support for it, but understand it. Politicians stay employed by getting as much money to flow back to their state to provide as many jobs as possible. Every single politician does this, both parties.
It is a severe insult to my inteligence to lie directly and think I will believe it. I live in a "battleground state." I heard this advertisment over 10 times tonight. I guess they believe that the more times you tell a lie it will become true.
It works for them, because most of the people don't go beyond listening to them and thinking it is true.
Look at 9/11 - 16% or so still believe the official government lies. That one held up for quite a few years.
Quote
Scientific Poll: 84% Reject Official 9/11 Story
Only 16% now believe official fable according to New York Times/CBS News poll
Truth Movement has the huge majority of opinion
How will the Bush Cabal react?
According to the new New York Times/CBS News poll, only 16% of Americans think the government is telling the truth about 9/11 and the intelligence prior to the attacks:
"Do you think members of the Bush Administration are telling the truth, are mostly telling the truth but hiding something, or are they mostly lying?
Telling the truth 16%
Hiding something 53%
Mostly lying 28%
Not sure 3%"
The 84% figure mirrors other recent polls on the same issue. A Canadian Poll put the figure at 85%. A CNN poll had the figure at 89%. Over 80% supported the stance of Charlie Sheen when he went public with his opinions on 9/11 as an inside job.
http://www.infowars.com/articles/sept11/poll_only_16_percent_believe_gov_on_911.htm
Just came across this.
QuoteThe Obama campaign criticized the McCain campaign for misstatements about Palin's travel: "They said she visited Iraq, but today we learned that she only stopped at the border. Americans are starting to wonder, is there anything the McCain campaign isn't lying about?"
http://www.presstv.ir/detail.aspx?id=69349§ionid=3510203
Don't get me wrong -- I'm not supporting Osama either. I hate them all equally.
Anybody want me to do equal time for the other side? hmm
I'd be happy to dig up the trash. [crz]
you can do the equal time glen. i don't think it is necessary but i wouldn't want you to be accused of being an Oprah. ;D(that brings a disturbing image for a halloween costume to mind). i am voting third party.
Careful with that mental Picture, Dan. I have been known to do brain damage in the past. I'll see what dirt I can scoop up -- maybe tonight. I really have orders to accomplish something today. ::)
Palin Rejected by Alaska women bigger than rally for her.
http://mudflats.wordpress.com/2008/09/14/alaska-women-reject-palin-rally-is-huge/
...and even Osama thinks he's a Muslim...
http://elections.foxnews.com/2008/09/08/obama-my-muslim-faith-gaffe-fuels-new-round-of-rumor-busting/
the SNL palin Hillary skit was priceless
Go look it up and watch it!
Who cares if he is a Muslim. What does a person's religion have anything to do with it. Being Muslim isn't a bad thing. There are millions of Muslim Americans. They are still Americans. They serve in the military, protect this country, pay taxes and participate in government. This is still the land of freedom of religion. If he does have Muslim heritage and converts to Christianity, why would anyone question his faith? This country was founded by people looking for religious freedom from intolerant countries. I hope we don't go down the path of that ourselves. I don't understand why people are making his religion an issue.
By the way. I loved the SNL skit. Tina Fey did one of the best impressions of any candidate so far in this race. So far I have been disapointed with SNL in this election. They had the best Bush I, Clinton, and Bush II impersonations, and nothing good for Obama or McCain.
It doesn't matter to me because so far no choice of anyone suitable to run the country has been or will be offered. ::)
I guess they finally realized that they had been upstaged:
http://www.thestreet.com/story/10437455/1/opinion-mccain-obama-talk-wall-street-reform.html?puc=_tscrss
Heaven forbid that Presidential candidates should be involved in current events.
One doesn't have a clue - the economy is strong -- Go back to sleep McSwine.
Osama wants to meddle with it. Just what we need - more politicians fixing things.
Will the federal government please leave the room....
I think they are fearful of commenting. Doesn't matter what either one says some analyst is going to tear it apart. And both of them have been in the Senate while things got to this point economically. Obama puts the blame on Bush and McCain. But what was he doing for the last eight years. They both mutter inconsequential things and neither one really has much to say.
"It is better to keep your mouth shut and appear stupid than to open it and remove all doubt."
Mark Twain
Osama's lost brother found in Kenya living on $1 per month.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/uselection2008/barackobama/2590614/Barack-Obamas-lost-brother-found-in-Kenya.html
I have come full circle. I have gone from being undecided to being undecided. Now and again I hear something that sounds good but it get's blown out of the water shortly after that. I think I am with you Glenn. There just isn't a reasonable choice. Option 3, none of the above seems pretty likely. I was looking for that post but I don't remember what thread it was in.
You have to love these guys. None of them have a clue... d*
OK ...that was a satirical comment...the love part anyway [crz]
Bob Barr was just put on the ballot in my state. Is he on in anybody elses?
What atate would that be?
He is listed on NM I believe.
Pennsylvania
Bob Barr is from my state of GA. Good man but no chance.
I'm feeling like I have to vote for McCain.
Obama in office with a democrat controlled Congress is not something I want to see. He would have a rubber stamp for many of his hair brained "tax'em high" solutions, and the way left Supreme Court justices he would nominate are too much for me.
A republican in the White House and a democratic controlled Congress.... gridlock is good. The less these clown can actually do, the better.
McCain ... the lesser of two evils. Now there is a Campaign slogan. Or to steal a line from the movie "Master and Commander"
"The lesser of two weevils".
I say vote for the guy you like even if he has no chance. Reason being if more third party canidates get votes they might be taken more seriously next time.
John C reflects my sentiments on this.
Spineless, useless dog squeeze
When looking at the news I saw this headline
QuoteObama votes 'Present' on new economic rescue plan for now
Los Angeles Times - 36 minutes ago
CORAL GABLES, Fla. -- Sen. Barack Obama today met with some of his many economic advisors and made an announcement that he was not going to make an announcement about any new plan to plan plans.
The link was already removed... in 36 minutes!
So he can continue to blame the Bush administration and support or denounce the current actions however it plays out.
It was followed by other articles with a lot or rhetoric, some of which could be interpreted as in favor of the current plan and some against.
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Vote for
MOLD the WYSIWYG candidate.
I was sort of amused when I got a letter from Obama campaign. It was a form letter requesting contributions rofl. Anyway when I looked at the envelope for the return contribution rofl there was a handwritten notation " if you use your own stamps to return this it will mean more money in the fund to use" or something to that effect.
I'm not sure where you get the proper currency for donations.
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When you find it, I would donate to his little brother. He needs it worse and it would do more good. [rofl2]
(http://www.classicescapes.com/images/Paper-Shillings.jpg)
OK. It seems we're going to have a bailout to the tune of $700 Billion. That makes me think there's no money for anybody's health care for the people plan, no money for any tax cuts at all, no money to spend on military expenditures, no money for a whole lot of things.
Who do you vote for now?
ron paul
I see that as a throw away. OMMV
i understand, but at what point do we as a country try to start a more fair three party system? if not now, when? it seems like we couldn't be in a much worse situation. and it's like saying " my vote won't make a difference".
Possibly a parliamentary system, such as in Canada or the UK, where you are only 60 days away from an election (from a vote of no confidence) at any point in time would be beneficial?
Canada is presently tooling up for an election October 14. It was called in September. Less time for BS politicking, bad TV and radio ads, and so on.
Canada has about 6 parties at the federal level. That does present choice, but I'm not sure that's better. ???
Quote from: MountainDon on September 26, 2008, 09:44:04 AM
I see that as a throw away. OMMV
With the only choices being Obama and McCain as votes that count I see any vote as a throw away. Maybe I will do a write in for Boone Pickens. He came up with what seems to be a workable energy plan to transition to renewables and he has enough economic sense to run a hedge fund. He already made himself rich so he doesn't have to do it in office. He may own too many houses though, who knows.
Yeah, Israel has the same type government. It has around 14 parties. I like the system because it forces the government to pay attention to minority views held by smaller members of the public.
Quote from: desdawg on September 26, 2008, 11:47:17 AM
Quote from: MountainDon on September 26, 2008, 09:44:04 AM
I see that as a throw away. OMMV
With the only choices being Obama and McCain as votes that count I see any vote as a throw away. Maybe I will do a write in for Boone Pickens. He came up with what seems to be a workable energy plan to transition to renewables and he has enough economic sense to run a hedge fund. He already made himself rich so he doesn't have to do it in office. He may own too many houses though, who knows.
I agree with Desdawg & Apaknad... have you heard that Ron Paul has put his support behind Chuck Baldwin, the presidential candidate for the Constitution party? I like what he has to say... I
WILL NOT throw my vote away on McCain or Obama! As long as everyone keeps saying you're throwing your vote away, we'll have the same "2" party (read that basically the same party) system & we know what that has given us... I voted for GW Bush the 1st time around - I gave him a chance - he totally destroyed my trust in him as a leader & so did the Republican party... I am registered as a Republican due to wanting to vote for Ron Paul in the primaries, but I will not vote the party line... there are millions of people who do not want McCain or Obama...
Yes, maybe we need to change up our system a bit... but how much money do all those who are running for office spend in Great Britain or Canada? Or are they limited? Do the taxpayers foot the bill? I wouldn't use GB as an example - they've become a total police state with cameras on every corner - Big Brother monitoring their every move.
So, to get back to the topic, I won't vote for either McCain or Obama... why weren't Chuck Baldwin, Nader & Cynthia McKinney included in the debates? They are all running... what are they afraid of? Of course, the MSM/gov't are in control of who the general population is able to be exposed to... d*
Has anyone heard this?
Rumor has it that on or about October 5th, Biden will excuse himself from the ticket, citing health problems, and he will be replaced by Hillary. This is timed to occur after the VP debate on 10/2.
There have been talks all weekend about how to proceed with this info.
Generally, the feeling is that we should all go ahead and get it out
there to as many blog sites and personal email lists as is possible.
I have already seen a few short blurbs about this - the 'health problem' cited in those articles was aneurysm. Probably many of you have heard the same rumblings.
However, at this point, with this inside info from the DNC, it looks
like this Obama strategy will be a go. Therefore, it seems that the best
strategy is to get out in front of this Obama maneuver, spell it out in
detail, and thereby expose it for the grand manipulation that it is.
If that happens then Osama better get himself a bullet proof vest and have an official food taster-- maybe Hillary?
TRAINING A SOCIALIST ARMY OF WORLD SERVERS
PART 1
By Berit Kjos
September 28, 2008
NewsWithViews.com
Obama: "I will ask for your service and your active citizenship when I am president of the United States ... this will be a central cause of my presidency."[1]
Obama: "People of all ages, stations, and skills will be asked to serve.... I will set a goal for all American middle and high school students to perform 50 hours of service a year, and for all college students to perform 100 hours of service a year...."[2]
Saul Alinsky (Obama's Marxist mentor): "The disruption of the present organization is the first step toward community organization.... All change means disorganization of the old and organization of the new."[3] Rules for Radicals (excerpts here)
Brave New World: "A really efficient totalitarian state would be one in which the all-powerful executive of political bosses and their army of managers control a population of slaves who do not have to be coerced because they love their servitude. To make them love it is the task assigned... to ministries of propaganda, newspaper editors and schoolteachers."[4] Aldous Huxley
"These are serious times," said Barack Obama recently. "And they call for a serious debate about where we need to take the nation."[5] That's true! So where does he want "to take our nation?" How does his version of "service" fit his vision of CHANGE? And what will it cost in terms of freedom, privacy, taxes, and government control? con't @ http://www.newswithviews.com/BeritKjos/kjos94.htm
Here you go. This just arrived in my e-mail
http://www.thirdpartyticket.com/
That's a start, des, but with all of this talk of debates, etc. we may be forgetting that the voting machine and electoral college issues are not fixed nor will they be.
The vote is still an act of futility.
Everybody can do all of the token voting they want, but it is just a facade. It will be business as usual no matter which way it goes.
Hopefully those pulling the strings have their hands full with other issues but I read somewhere that with the financial crisis and everything else going on, that the route is pretty well already decided. I didn't get any clues on which way it will be and don't remember where I read it.
I wonder if bush will really give up power or if some fabricated crisis will happen just before the election causing him to have to enact his dictatorial power he granted himself by signing order and martial law? hmm
With the Army being deployed here on our soil, it seems something may be up.
I can't imagine him wanting to stay in power with only 18% of the people believing they are not hiding something and are telling the truth about the last 8 years though. d*
Third party is the only way - but as Glenn said, the voting machines have to be fixed 1st - actually they were initially fixed to be easily hacked... there's still ongoing investigations, lots of testimony from computer experts & those that worked with Diebold on the computers... I've posted videos of testimony before the Senate & other articles... http://countryplans.com/smf/index.php?topic=3629.0
I think the third party candidates are indeed wasted votes. But somewhere it has to begin. I know it seems like an impossible task to make a change but this years election really points out the lack of enough choices. I think there are more undecided voters now than there have ever been in history. I also think the pollsters are way off the mark. If there was something that at least looked hopeful that might not be the case. When the choice is between a socialist and a war monger many have no idea which way to turn. They will probaly decide on Nov 4 when they have the pen in thier hand. Neither candidate has a clue what to do with the economy which is the major issue right now. Energy management is next but it has affected the economy so severly it is hard to give it the top billing it deserves. We have been strangled by more than just the politicians.
A vote is only wasted if you use it for something you don't believe in.
Now if only nobody would vote for the lesser of two evils it could be worth something but media, vote fraud and the system will insure business as usual.
I don't think there will be any business as usual going on for some time to come since the house didn't sign off on the bail out. It will be business as unusual. It is a step to get back to some basic values.
They know what the bankers want and they know what a lot of them want......but the big crowd with the ropes, tar and feathers is making them nervous.
I thought this was cute:
No matter what your political ideas are - I thought this was pretty
funny!
I was talking to the 8 year-old daughter of a friend of mine, and she
said she wanted to be President some day. Both of her parents, liberal
Democrats, were standing there, so I asked her, "If you were President
what's the first thing you would do?"
She replied, "I'd give food and houses to all the homeless people."
"Wow - what a worthy goal," I told her. "But you don't have to wait
until you're President to do that. You can come over to my house and mow the
grass, pull weeds, and rake my yard, and I'll pay you $50. Then I'll take you
over to the grocery store where the homeless guy hangs out, and you can
give him the $50 to use toward food or a new house."
She thought that over for a few seconds, cause after all she's only 8.
And while her Mom glared at me, she looked me straight in the eye and
asked, "Why doesn't the homeless guy come over and do the work himself, and you
can just pay him the $50?"
And I said, "Welcome to the Republican Party."
Her folks still aren't talking to me.
Hey, folks, you want to tweak the Drive-By Media with me right now?
You are aware, probably, that Barack Obama lost his bearings recently and
said that he was going to campaign in all 57 states.
You heard this? And everybody chalked it up to, 'Well, he's tired.'
You know, this is a Dan Quayle moment. I mean, Dan Quayle goes out there
and misspells 'potato,' and we still hear jokes about it.
Barack Obama says he's gonna go out and campaign in 57 states, he was just
tired, you know, it's been such a long campaign, he's been so many places, he probably thinks there are 57 states.
Well, I have here a printout from a web site called the International Humanist and Ethical Union. And here is how the second paragraph of an article on that website begins.
'Every year from 1999 to 2005 the organization of the Islamic conference
representing the 57 Islamic states presented a resolution to the United
Nations Commission on human rights called combating.'
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Organization_of_the_Islamic_Conference
Obama said he's going to campaign in 57 states, and it turns out that there are 57 Islamic states. There are 57 Islamic states.
So did Obama just lose his bearings, or was this a more telling slip, ladies and gentlemen?
that's funny kenhill!!
Are you trying to say he's running for president in the wrong country? Man I'd say he really lost his bearings. 8)
There were 57 primary contests. 50 states + puerto rico, dems abroad, guam, virgin islands, American Samoa, distric of columbia, and texas had 2. Gaffe the likes of quayle, yes. Some secret terrorist plot, no. He said states instead of primaries.
http://thepage.time.com/2008/09/30/%E2%80%9Ci%E2%80%99m-not-going-to-parse-every-answer%E2%80%9D/
"Speaking on morning television, the Arizonan urges the Treasury Department to address the economic crisis on its own by buying $1 trillion in mortgages and tapping its exchange stabilization fund. Also backs raising the FDIC insurance cap to $250,000.
On CNN: "I will do whatever is necessary... We haven't convinced people that this is a rescue effort not just for Wall Street but for Main Street America."
On MSNBC: "I think Americans have yet to fully understand this is not in the interests of Wall Street or Washington insiders.""
....
Constitution:
Article 1, Section 9:
"No Money shall be drawn from the Treasury, but in Consequence of Appropriations made by Law"
its not just a piece of paper.. this is a dealbreaker for me.
paper ballots are the only way to go...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1lrFkRHrRDI&eurl=http://www.infowars.com/?p=4964
Paper is one thing NM got right. Gov Bill isn't such a bad guy I guess, (OMG... I said that?) although I still fault him on a number of things. Paper ballots sure cost a pretty penny though! :o Partly because there's so many ways to vote; absentee mail in, absentee in person, the real thing......
I don't think any recent election has stirred up so many raw emotions. And I again find myself voting against one candidate, rather than for another. Darn.
For some depressing truths, look at the following sites:
www.counterpunch.org
www.atimes.com
www.alternet.org
www.agora-inc.com (subscribe to "The Daily Reckoning")
Creative, that 1st link tells it like it really is... our congress creatures who voted yes are so blatantly criminal or stupid it is beyond comprehension! [noidea' [frus] here's a couple paragraphs of what some congress people said:
The Last Hold-up
The criminal-minded and mortally wounded Lords of Capital believed, as Pam Martens has written, that they could "loot and collapse a 200-year old financial system and...be rewarded with a fresh $700 billion of public money to disperse among your cronies who aided and abetted in the collapse."
Or, as Mike Whitney puts it:
"...the $700 billion is just part of a massive 'pump and dump' scheme engineered with the tacit approval of the US Treasury and the Federal Reserve. Once the banksters have offloaded their fraudulent securities and crappy paper on Uncle Sam, they will do whatever they need to do to pad the bottom line and drive their stocks up. That means they will shovel capital into hard assets, foreign currencies, gold, interest rate swaps, carry trade swindles, and Swiss bank accounts. The notion that they will recapitalize so they can provide loans to US consumers and businesses in a slumping economy is a pipedream."
Keep calling, faxing & emailing - there was only an 11 person spread between the yeas & nays... >:(
Quote from: Redoverfarm on September 27, 2008, 05:25:40 PMHas anyone heard this?
Rumor has it that on or about October 5th, Biden will excuse himself from the ticket, citing health problems, and he will be replaced by Hillary. This is timed to occur after the VP debate on 10/2.
If you have inside information of this, $5 will get you $100 over on www.intrade.com.