Legal Immigration is fine. I do have a problem with illegal immigration. And because we mostly don't have a problem with Canadians trying to sneak in across our northern border, this centers around illegal immigration over our southern border from Mexico. Boat people from Haiti, Cuba are a relatively minor problem.
Up front I should state that I am an immigrant. I'm from Canada. I did it legally. I filled out all the papers, paid the fees, jumped thru the hoops, attended the interviews. I had to have my father-in-law sign a paper stating that he would be financially responsible for me; that I would not be a burden to the US government/taxpayers if I should not be able to support myself.
I think you have an idea of where I stand by now.
I am totally against giving any illegal immigrants a break. Today's newspaper had an article noting that over 1.1 million illegals were arrested in 2005. Very few cases went to court... we can't afford the dollars it would take. Yet our government has decided to allow illegal immigrants to collect social security! Sure maybe they've paid into the system; but they're still here illegally!
My state (New Mexico) grants them lower cost in-state university and college tuition; they're even eligible for free tuition. What's going on here?
I could go on and on on this topic. Maybe you agree with me, maybe you don't. Maybe I'm wrong, maybe I'm not.
IF, you feel like I do you may be interested in http://www.numbersusa.com/actionbuffet
... stepping off my soapbox now
I'm not for them getting benefits unless they pay in much more than they receive as we do. For myself I hope I never have to even collect social security. I've even considered opting out of the system, except if you do it it is nearly impossible to conduct business in the real world. It is possible to file papers and opt out but not necessarily easy.
I feel for our lifestyle, we do need the slaves. The Mexicans are our modern day slaves -no other way to look at them. Our loss of jobs to them is getting worse as more and more of us are forced into menial jobs by our corporations outsourcing all of our good jobs to 3rd world countries to increase their bottom line - not so much for their investors as for their corporate elite. This puts more and more of us competing with the Mexicans for the labor jobs. Even at that we could not supply all of the menial jobs because we've been spoiled for too long. Our hind ends have become too wide for us to bend over working all day at a real hard job.
Corporate America is only handing out a few of the cushy jobs to the ones higher up the food chain. The rest are going to have to compete for the slave jobs. It doesn't matter if we keep them all out - we won't get paid more. The corporations and their political whores who they pay off to allow it will continue to sell us down the river - labor is going global and middle and lower class Americans are returning to serfdom.
"Supply always comes on the heels of demand."
Americans aren't willing, or possibly able, to pay a fare price for anything.
Judy
Legal is good , all other not good . Give aways free lunch / medical / etc all bogus a ride to the border and a boot in the arse , good enought.
I can say that Az. border is tighter than 2 or 3 years ago , one of my stepdaughters is a owner of a fast food operation, 20 some stores 8-) , and they moved the operation from Wa. state to Az. due to the business enviroment in Wa. state to Az. about 5 years ago , it is much harder from her to find employees for her stores due to that tightening up .
She does check and does her required part in checking out employees , the white kids don't want to work , or very few do , and due , or in part , to state and Fed. tighting up, labor is harder to find . Legal or presieved legal . So that is good for us , and bad for her , as she does need employees . In fact nation wide that chain is gearing up for a employee void they think is coming in the next five years , they are trying to automate more stuff just for that shortage of labor.
She , my stepdaughter is not the atypical employee of that chain of "dead end " jobs , she started with them in high school , she ddi get her college degree on her own , but now owns many stores with her business partner. Only in American ;D
That's cool PEG. Good for her.
Thinking about this a bit I think that letting them work and pay into the system even if illegal should be OK -- Just don't let them get benefits until they are legal. That would raise the pot some so the politicians could take more out and put in their IOU's for their pet projects or they could find a way to get it into their family bank accounts. That should really help out the old portfolio. . I bet that will fly -- I'll probably get promoted for that one. Dubya will want me for an adviser. :)
I keep wondering how many of my ancestors could come to this country under today's rules. Or would have been deported after he was here a while--there is at least one rascal in my family tree.
QuoteI keep wondering how many of my ancestors could come to this country under today's rules. Or would have been deported after he was here a while--there is at least one rascal in my family tree.
If they're here legally, and a naturalized citizen, they'd be treated as any other US citizen. If on a "green card" more than likely the same unless it was some particularly heinous crime. If they are here illegally and get caught for whatever, they should be fair game for deportation. Just my opinion. And if you are here legally you should become a citizen; it's not that difficult.
As for today's rules, the times are different too. Back when my great-grand parents emigrated (to Canada, one a White Russian, the other German) the country was seeking people to populate the country. Pretty much the same thing when my in-laws ancestors came to the USA (from Germany and Poland) and were processed through Ellis Island. They all had legal status to be here. They all became citizens on ther adopted land.
Maybe I'm hung up on the legal issue. Maybe that's because I did it legally? :-/ Not every one in the world has a god-given (allah-given, whoever-given) right to live in the USA. It is a great place when all things are considered. A good book is "What's So Great About America?" by Dinesh D'Souza, an immigrant from India.
I do know one non-citizen but long time legal resident who was deported for an ancient (and, said friends, probably bogus) felony conviction.
There's another I sometimes worry about, far fewer contacts in the old country, not much if any usuable language left, who often rubs people the wrong way, sometimes very much so.
Something like that is unfortunate; I do feel bad for people crap like that happens to. I assume this was something that had happened in another country a while back? It's hard to say how that should have been handled. We always hear about apparent miscarriages, and sometimes don't have all the pertinent facts presented to us. It would be very difficult to adapt back to the former country after many years absence/lack of contact.
It would be easy to say that it's the person's own fault for not listing the former "legal problem" on the application. Perhaps there was a language problem. There is a question on the immigration application that asks for all arrests, not just convictions, to be listed. Even if you had received a pardon for the offense in the other country, you have to list the events. If you don't tell the complete truth, it can come back to haunt you at a later date. Admission of some prior arrests or convictions doesn't necessarily automatically cancel your eligibility. It will slow the process, likely cause more investigation, interviews, etc. I know having to admit to something like that would be of concern to the applicant.
Many of our government systems are not perfect, not even humane at times. Most of the time they work, but it's hell when something goes wrong.
My one cent.
We already have laws on the books that are not enforced. I am just wondering why (sarcastic emote here) we are going to add more or new laws when we do not even adhere to the current laws.
I agree we have laws that, if enforced, would alleviate much of the problem of illegals. However, a good portion of the problem comes from employers who flaunt the verification laws. But associated with that, employers who do try to follow the laws, do have a real problem with the readily availability of counterfeit documents.
Don wrote:
QuoteI assume this was something that had happened in another country a while back? It's hard to say how that should have been handled.
No, in the US maybe 30 years before.
QuoteMy one cent.
We already have laws on the books that are not enforced. I am just wondering why (sarcastic emote here) we are going to add more or new laws when we do not even adhere to the current laws.
Actually our government doesn't really want the laws enforced - may more excuses to take away more of our freedom when they see fit. Just recently a border patrol officer who was doing his job was put in prison for violating the rights of the illegal he was apprehending. Sassy posted it I think.
Not sure if I made myself clear.... the felony that was the cause for the deportation... it ocurred in the US or elsewhere, prior to the move to the US? Just curious.
QuoteJust recently a border patrol officer who was doing his job was put in prison for violating the rights of the illegal he was apprehending. Sassy posted it I think.
I followed that case closely; happened near enough that it was all over our local news. Very sad, very fishy case.
the most expensive 34 'sailboat built as of 1987 was for a communications lobby in dc.The reasons the laws aren't enforced is you're elected official has freebies ,dinner and donations from lobbyist they want cheap labor here.so we have it.both party's are the same here.the laws are a moot point and will be as long as government by lobbyist is a way of life.I doubt that will change but only get worse.A dysfunctional gridlock IMHO =bring you're overhead expenses down by eliminating as soon as possible dealings with lending institutions.I have wanted a certain toy for years instead by end of summer I could call cabin home.debt free 50 a month utility's that=freedom and money for toys.
You got it, Leo. :)
It has been 3 border guards in the last year placed in prison. IMO all 3 of them are Political Prisoners.
QuoteQuoteMy one cent.
We already have laws on the books that are not enforced. I am just wondering why (sarcastic emote here) we are going to add more or new laws when we do not even adhere to the current laws.
Actually our government doesn't really want the laws enforced - may more excuses to take away more of our freedom when they see fit. Just recently a border patrol officer who was doing his job was put in prison for violating the rights of the illegal he was apprehending. Sassy posted it I think.
I also want to add some irony to the pot here. I will be required to get a passport (I already have one but that is mute) to return from Canada. Yet the Border Guards can not even stop or ask if someone is an illegal on the Southern Border. It seems to me at times that laws are for the law abiding tax paying citizens only.
Don't accidentally smash your RFID chip in your passport with a hammer, Stinkerbell. It won't work then. ::)
://www.boingboing.net/2006/12/28/howto_disable_your_n.html
3 guards, eh? Guess we missed a couple -- do your job - go to Shrubs prison --- See Don -- freedom is not really freedom anymore.
Enforcement of laws is for those who can pay the fines. No money -- no worries.
Hey, MtnDon, we are on the same page - I'm constantly faxing & calling concerning the immigration issue & get regular updates & Action Alerts from "NumbersUSA"...
I have no problem with immigration - LEGAL, that is... just on the subject of health care - our ER's are totally impacted by illegal immigrants - the US citizen can hardly get care anymore because the illegals are using the ER's for their routine health care visits.
If you or I were to present to an ER, all of our financial info would be gathered... with illegals, no questions asked... just like you stated that you would need a passport to come back to the US from Canada - our border patrols are being arrested & imprisoned for pursuing illegals at the southern border :-/ - what the heck is going on?
Take a look at the thread "Towards a North American Union" on the "Security & Prosperity Partnership" (SPP) that was signed by Bush, Vincente Fox & the then prime minister of Canada (can't remember his name) in March of 2005 - I've posted lots of links to articles & the history - basically, Bush, Rumsfield, Rice & others are meeting with non-elected officials from all 3 countries to do away with our borders - which would entail a common constitution & currency.
There's also the "Super hiway" that is being protested in Texas right now - I'm all for good relationships with my neighbors & adequate freeways etc, but take a look at what is planned - even a Mexican customs in Kansas City! :o
This once was a "free" country, even with all its problems, but the laws that have been enacted during the past 20 years by both the Republican & Democrat administrations have basically taken away those freedoms - all they have to do is enact them & you will see just how "free" we really are.
April 4, 2007The Fiscal Cost of Low-Skill Households to the U.S. Taxpayer (http://www.heritage.org/Research/Welfare/sr12.cfm)
Re: ER rooms. I've read that one of the "best" things a load of illegals can do if about to be apprehended is to cause a motor vehicle accident and everyone claim injuries. The police are then duty bound to take them to an ER. When the illegals are released they can usual walk away as the border patrol is prohibited to stake out hospitals.
(You may note that I use the term illegals quite freely instead of the politically correct, doublespeak, undocumented person/worker.)
Interesting note in today's paper... there are an estimated 30,000 illegal Irish in NYC.
Well Don
You are speaking to the choir I think....We are all immigrants to this continent and to America....Unless 300 years ago your grandfather's name meant "running bear" or whatever.... Most all of us..Peg included came somewhere from Europe
When our ancestors came across the water we learned the language...Followed the laws...became part of society.... All that many of us are asking the Mexicans or Columbians... spanish speaking illegals to do...Is follow the same rules and obey the same laws our families have followed to get here.
If you want to be here.... Prove it...Pay taxes...Get a real drivers license...Pay your medical bills...Become a part of society...Contribute instead of 8 guys living in a chevy van sending all their money back across to Mexico...
I see vans parked at gas stations here in the Carolina's and Illegals are sleeping in them at night...
You can bet that they pay a lot of taxes...Have valid ID cards and are all citizens ::)
I have never owned my own gun....And do not really like guns much....But I know because my brother in law is a cop here...That if you get into an accident with a mexican or hispanic if you like that term better.....You are in trouble...Because as he said to me....99% of them here in South Carolina are illegal with no valid ID license insurance.... Nothing...
So when I go driving I avoid being in front of or directly behind the Hispanics...I stay the hell away from them on the road... Used to be you watched out for Blue hairs....Now you have to watch out for illegals too....just because you know they have no insurance or paperwork...And if they mess up your car the only thing you can do is get out...beat the ever living shit out of the guy....And his friends... turn them upside down and hopefully shake the repair or medical bill money out of the pieces of garbage.
This is not meant to be stereo typical...People of all colour religious and from all cultures deserve a chance at a better life in America or Canada..or wherever...
But there is a code of conduct that needs to be followed...If you are not going to become a citizen then you need to be hunted down and persecuted... because you have deliberately chosen to not follow the rules and become part of the country.
If you agree....
SIGN PETITION TO PRESIDENT BUSH TELLING HIM NO SANCTUARY CITIES FOR ILLEGAL ALIENS
Please go to www.reformus.org immediately and sign the petition to President Bush.
The petition says:
Dear President Bush,
Cities that openly flout our immigration laws by harboring illegal aliens should be prosecuted. These so-called "sanctuary cities" where illegal aliens are harbored, aided and abetted are in violation of Federal law and set a dangerous precedent of rewarding illegal aliens.
Please enforce the law and stop cities from harboring illegal aliens—especially when they are processed through the courts for crimes............ (more at www.reformus.org
Another good website for the latest on North American Union (http://www.eagleforum.org/topics/NAU/)
Check into the planned US trucker's boycott if Bush goes through with his plans to allow unlimited Mexican trucks on our highways... here's a link to an eye opening article JOIN NATIONAL TRUCK OUT BOYCOTT: TELL POLITICIANS TO EAT GARBAGE (http://www.newswithviews.com/Devvy/kidd262.htm)
Support your local illegal aliens. >:(
http://www.alipac.us/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=2247
INVASION USA
Another border agent due to start prison term. Judge, prosecutor the same as in Ramos-Compean case (http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=56100)
White House presses Senate to allow Mexican trucks Stalls bill passed by House that would block program permitting rigs in U.S. (http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=56171)
So much for "The People" ie US citizens having any say on what goes on in our gov't - King George will push through whatever he wants, whenever he wants & the sheeple turn over & accept it... :-/ King George is also pressuring the Senate to pass the immigration amnesty bill although more than 80% of the US citizens are against it. At this point, they aren't even implementing the laws that are already on the books, how in the world are they going to be able to screen 12 million plus illegal aliens?
Hello New World Order :-/
The big city next door to me, Albuquerque, NM has just issued orders to it's police officers not to even ask about the immigration status of anyone they interview regarding any crimes, unless the crime involves human smuggling. They are not to pass info on to Immigration or Homeland Security. What a crock!! Of course I expect nothing less in a state that issues drivers licenses to illegals. (Pushed on us by presidential hopeful Gov. Bill Richardson) Grrr!
intersting article today by Bill O'Reilly on this subject....
By Bill O'Reilly for BillOReilly.com
Thursday, August 16, 2007
All around the country, certain cities are refusing to inform federal authorities about the activities of illegal aliens, even foreign nationals who commit crimes in their jurisdictions. This week the police department in New Haven, Connecticut issued a memo ordering officers not to cooperate with Homeland Security on enforce warrants for illegal immigrants. This follows New Haven's distribution of ID cards to illegals so they can access city services.
This, of course, is outrageous, and verges on anarchy. New Haven officials have violated Federal Statute 1373(a), and if Attorney General Gonzalez still has an office, he should prosecute them.
But he won't. And President Bush will remain mute as well. The President could urge Congress to cut off federal funding to New Haven and every other municipality that violates federal immigration law, but again, that will never happen. Every politician knows that calling for tough action against illegal immigration will bring accusations of bigotry.
The so-called "sanctuary city" policies of cities like New Haven, New York, Los Angeles, Houston and on and on have now become life and death issues, not simply ideological defiance. Let's take a look at what happened in the "sanctuary city" of Newark, New Jersey.
Jose Carranza, an illegal from Peru, was known on the streets as a very bad dude. Authorities knew it as well, because Carranza was charged with raping a 7-year-old girl and assaulting four adults.
Nevertheless, when Carranza appeared before Judge Thomas Vena on the child rape charge, Vena cut his bail in half, allowing Carranza to walk free. Ten months later, police say Carranza executed three college students in a Newark schoolyard by shooting them to death.
Because Newark is a "sanctuary city," no official notified Homeland Security (ICE) about Carranza. Had they done so, the feds could have detained Carranza the moment he walked out of Judge Vena's courtroom.
There are many villains in this dreadful story. If convicted, Carranza is obviously an animal. Judge Vena may have the deaths of three people on his conscience. New Jersey Governor Jon Corzine and Newark officials are apparently fine with criminal aliens running around because they support the "sanctuary" policies.
Americans are rightfully confused as to how all of this can be happening. We have immigration laws in place, yet New Haven, Newark and scores of other places will not obey them. And nothing happens to the scofflaws. Following that logic, why should any law be obeyed?
The brutal truth is that three young Americans are dead in Newark because irresponsible politicians and a stupid judge would not protect them. Thousands of Americans have been killed by illegal aliens, and the only thing that can stop the madness is a public outcry because our politicians are too cowardly to crackdown.
We the people have to demand action. But will we?
The system is broke and can't be fixed. The politicians know the people don't care and will not do anything. New "laws" are in place to lock up troublemakers who insist that constitutional laws be enforced.
Our Border Patrol agents are being imprisoned for simply doing the job they were hired to do.
this sums it up for me...There is a conspiracy going on with the jailed border agents...
"Sutton has been criticized for a number of his decisions in the Ramos-Compean case, including his choice to provide immunity to the drug smuggler and return him to the United States to help prosecute the law enforcement officers. And the judge, Kathleen Cardone, has been criticized for not allowing the jury to know that the incident involving the border agents was not the only drug-related incident involving the smuggler-turned-witness."
Our prosecutor gave immunity to a piece of shit alien drug dealer and brought them back into the states so they could persecute a law enforcement officer that tried to arrest said drug dealer as he was bringing in a load of drugs across the border...
In my mind the only mistake the law enforcement officers made was missing the target...
dead men tell no tales as they say....They got into a gun fight and the target lived to cry foul
the only message this should send to others trying to protect the border is when you pull the gun out of the holster...make sure you kill the son of a b*tch so that the illegal drug trafficker cannot press charges against you for trying to protect america
Here's some of the plans...
China to Install Sensors along I-35 (http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=57190)
that's the same freeway that the Minnesota bridge collapsed on recently...
Plan to Allow Some Mexican Trucks Full U.S. Highway Access Nears Approval (http://www.foxnews.com/story/0%2C2933%2C293660%2C00.html) this is from Fox News - they're probably downplaying this a lot...
Congress Tells Bush to Back off on SPP (http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=57203) He's meeting with the president of Mexico & the Prime Minister of Canada in Quebec on the 20th-21st (this coming Monday & Tuesday) for the "Security & Prosperity Partnership"
Left, Right Unite to Protest Quebec Summit (http://www.canada.com/nationalpost/news/story.html?id=0bc7c51e-c702-4778-baa0-f3d62ad7ad91&k=9984)
Personally I have nothing against illegal aliens. I think everyone should own a couple. :)
Conservative Coalition Assembles To Warn Americans About Agenda For 'Hush-Hush' North American 'Merge-Fest' In Quebec.
Lancaster, PA/ August 17, 2007 - The Constitution Party, joins conservative groups and a growing number in Congress urging Americans to speak out against the formation of a North American Union (NAU).
A meeting, planned for Aug-20-21 in Quebec, will advance the well-developed plan despite a near blackout by U.S. media.
The summit, sponsored by The Security and Prosperity Partnership of North America, a vehicle by which the NAU is being advanced, will be led by President George Bush of the United States, Prime Minister Stephen Harper of Canada, and President Felipe Calderon of Mexico to plan an EU-type merger joining all three countries.
Former Director of the U.S. Office of Economic Opportunity, Howard Phillips said: "This summit is being held away from the scrutiny of the American people. It was declared off limits to those who oppose it, and that speaks volumes. The SPP is part of a treacherous scheme to incrementally merge Canada, the United States, and Mexico in a manner similar to that, which brought the European Union into being over a span of 50 years. Lost liberties and a lower standard of living would be the inevitable result if our borders with Mexico and Canada were to be erased. Americans won't want to be part of that global nightmare." Phillips, founder of the fast-growing Constitution Party, one-time presidential candidate and the leader of the Conservative Caucus (www.conservativeusa.org) will be joined by a coalition of American and Canadian leaders assembled in Quebec to speak out against the proposed merger of the three countries at a press conference.
The press conference is scheduled for August 20th, 2007 at 10 am at the Ottawa Marriott Hotel, Ottawa, Canada.
"The NAU and the SPP are a virtual toxic alphabet soup being cooked up behind closed doors so Americans won't have a clue they're about to lose their rights and freedoms until it's too late," warned Constitution Party National Committee Chairman Jim Clymer. "Just ask the people in Europe who are now dealing with the disastrous effects of the E.U.", Clymer further noted.
Jerome Corsi, Ph.D., New York Times best-selling author of the new book The Late, Great U.S.A.-The Coming Merger with Mexico and Canada will be covering the SPP summit from Quebec. Corsi is an internationally known expert on the clandestine effort to force Americans into an unconstitutional fusion with other countries.
The Constitution Party joins opponents of the SPP/NAU and supports proposed legislation (HCR40) introduced by Congressman Virgil Goode (R-VA) which calls for an end to the merger that would result in a North American Union (NAU). In addition, the Constitution Party expresses appreciation to the 18 states introducing resolutions calling for a halt to work on the NAU.
Glenn is that how you amassed all that wealth out there in Callifornee?
Cheap illegal mexicans?
Sorry Peter -- that is proprietary information. You will have to send a FOIA request to the NSA fo get the answer to that one. :-? :)
oh so you think you atre so damned smart dropping letters on me....(that I do not understand)
Up yours man :P
Peter,
Freedom Of Information Act
National Security Agency, not to be confused with the National Softball Association or the Natuional Society of Accountants or even the National Sheriff's Association :-/
Seems it doesn't matter where you stand on illegal immigration. The Bush regime and corporate money grubbers are going to force it on you whether you want it or not. You are about to become very intimate with them. Maybe head on with an 18 wheeler. I wonder if they all passed the California Commercial Drivers License test like I had to? :-/
http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/business/20070831-1812-bn31truck.html
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=57330
PREMEDITATED MERGER
Jailed border agents case tied to Mexican trucks
Drug smuggler had commercial drivers license
Posted: August 27, 2007
1:00 a.m. Eastern
By Jerome R. Corsi
© 2007 WorldNetDaily.com
WND has discovered a previously unreported connection between the case of Border Patrol agents Ignacio Ramos and Jose Compean and the Department of Transportation's Mexican truck-demonstration project.
In the Ramos-Compean case, the two agents convicted for 11 and 12 year prison terms respectively for shooting a Mexican drug smuggler, an overlooked fact is that the fleeing smuggler held a valid Mexican commercial drivers license at the time of the incident (con't at above link)
This is where we agree 100% glenn
a while ago a lady was trying to get her drivers license next to me in the DMV she spoke no english and brought a friend to translate... Could not even read the eyechart because she did not know our alphabet...
Half an hour of confusion ensued.. the girl got a drivers license >:(
point is if you cannot read, write and comprehend our language and laws....You do not need to be driving...
and how can people be legal here if they cannot learn the history of the US and pass the citizenship exam
Sorry I am ranting I know... I only speak english, got legally married to a US citizen. I am Educated, Employed and have had to jump through hoops for 4 years to get everything I need. It has cost me thousands of dollars to appease immigration and naturalization services... Meanwhile I see Juan Valdez driving around everywhere I look... and I know he has no paperwork no intention of getting any...
Yes the system is soooo fair... Makes me all warm and fuzzy inside
They're here.
http://www.boston.com/news/nation/articles/2007/09/07/mexican_competition_stirs_truckers_ire/?page=1
Truckers are upset as their jobs are taken away.
Quote... and how can people be legal here if they cannot learn the history of the US and pass the citizenship exam...
To be a legal immigrant you do NOT need to know any US History. You do not need to pass the citizenship exam to be a
legal immigrant. Those
are necessary for citizenship, a whole different thing from being simply a legal immigrant.
Legal immigrant status, with legal permission to work (the so called green card... but they're not green) has
other requirements.
The actual permanent resident card is called an Alien Registration Card.
well I know this is a little off base...But truckers have had it good for far too long when it comes to long haul trucking and rail...Rail is more energy efficient and cheaper if used in bulk to move goods... But they have for years subsidized fuel for trucking companies and truckers are everywhere...Wearing out roads and using ungodly amounts of fuel... Sort of a make work project...
I wish that they would just commit to rail on a massive scale and cut the freight that is moved by truckers by 75%...
Sure short term truckers would be pissed....But the next generation would be better for it...
Problem is that our government has a system of dependance upon us and to make major changes to the transportation system Jeopardizes the way in which they control and tax us as a society..
I'm getting here late, but to the question at hand...if they are here legal or working to become legal...they stay. IF they are illegal or the children of illegals..they leave and NEVER get the chance to become legal. ANY child born to an illegal parent is ILLEGAL...no exceptions.
ANYONE allowing illegals to work for them, looses THEIR citizenship and is exported from the country. You may ask, so where do they go? There's an old story about a man who wished to never see the United States again and he was sent to live out his life on a ship...never to see this or anyother country again...sounds good to me.
Until we begin to have HARSH punishment for these folks who hire them and help in their crimes, we are in a lost battle.
And while I'm at it...the National Guard needs to be HERE protecting US from all these GANGS...ie...the MS13's and so on.....they are the real terrorist to America. OPEN SEASON ON THEM...and the problem will go away. NON-citizens should have NO rights in this country, except the right to LEAVE!!!!
OK....that's out...good night folks ;)
Convoy Mexico Style
http://www.halturnershow.com/MexicanConvoyParodySong.mp3
QuoteNON-citizens should have NO rights in this country, except the right to LEAVE!!!!
Whoa! There's a BIG difference in being a legally immigrated NON-citizen and being an ILLEGAL immigrant.
I could care less if someone does
not want to become a citizen after they've been allowed to jump through all the hoops and over all the barrels and LEGALLY immigrate to the USA. It's the ones who are here ILLEGALLY I am concerned about.
I do believe the issue of granting of citizenship to those born here to non-citizen women should be looked at and re-addressed in the light of the state of the country and the world today.
Don
I agree with you
I am a non citizen and I have to wait until I have been married for 5 years before I can even apply...But I spent several thousand dollars to get some sort of status...I had to be separated from my wife for 6 months after we were married...
People do not know just how hard it is to legally come to America...Even if you get married to an American...
I have a big problem with the Anchor babies
Sneak across the border 9 months pregnant and spit out a kid and you get to stay...I find that horrible... and it is definately being exploited
I guess you could pass a law that prevents babies getting citizenship if they are born to illegals who are in the USA without permission...Meaning if they sneak across the border they get sent back and the baby has no status
QuoteI spent several thousand dollars to get some sort of status...I had to be separated from my wife for 6 months after we were married...
People do not know just how hard it is to legally come to America...Even if you get married to an American...
Peter, I believe the process must have become more involved in recent years. I guess I was fortunate on a few points.
I had already been married to my American born wife for nearly 10 years when I began the US immigration process; therefore there was no waiting period. I waiting period is, I believe, to help weed out the marriages of convenience. :-/
1985 was a simpler time. I began the process in late '84, had 2 interviews, a physical by their doctor of choice ( with chest X-ray I had to carry with me), photo for the alien registration card (I was issued a permanent card; there are some that have to renewed every few years even for people granted full work status.), and fingerprints recorded. I was approved by late March '85.
I don't think the whole works cost more than CDN$300, more or less.
Don
different times indeed! My wife and I Went to see a immigration lawyer 2 days after we were married and he recommended I go back to Canada for 6 months... So I did... It cost several thousand...Just what the US government charges is about $2000 in fees...The rest went to my lawyer....But he explained that if you make a mistake in your filing it could kill your chances of living in the USA...So my wife and I decided to be safe and pay the lawyer to make sure everything was done correctly.
The place where all the fee money went was in Illinois (some department of immigration)
I had to be fingerprinted, photographed... medical exams... tested for HIV and tuberculosis etc...They even scanned my eyeball I think they were taking pictures of my retinas for security purposes.
The way it went down is that my wife had to sponsor me...She had to make a certain amount of money to do so...And agree to support me and all of that....and then sometime later after that I applied for a Tax number... and it was explained to me that when the 5 years is up and I can become a citizen that my tax number will become my social security number.
I think you are right about the 5 year thing and the marriages of convenience....It makes me laugh...To think that anyone would ever consider marriage something that remotely resembles convenience ::)
My wife will be married 4 years come spring...So we are getting closer.. I think I will go ahead and take the history test and get a social security card and all of that....Just to have it over and done with... I do not know if I will ever get the itch to vote (not a lot of faith in the system) but if I do at least then I can vote
I can tell you that the 6 months I spent away from my wife were the hardest days spent in my life...It was not pleasant...We were just newly weds too...So we still sort of actually loved one another ::)
I bet now my wife wishes I would just go away for a long time ;D but back then it was really tough on both of us... she would call me every night and she would be crying...It really made me mad that we had to go through that when so many mexicans just jump over a fence and Welcome themselves to America >:(
Things did change... I received a social security number right there at the border crossing (driving a Uhaul and the Suzuki with my utility trailer (now 27 yrs old). They called it up on the computer; it had been pre-assigned I guess. Then the actual card arrived in the mail within 3 weeks or so.
I did forget one thing; My father in law did have to act as sponser... letter written and filed in some government office. He's now deceased; wonder how that would affect things?? ;D
Citizenship process cost something like $250 or so a decade ago.
"Mexico Plans To Reconquer California!"
"The theory of Mexican re-occupation of its lost territories doesn't look so ridiculous if one were to examine the demographic trends in the Southwest.In another 20 to 30 years Latinos will comprise more than 50% of the population in California.This fact and other social and cultural developments are opening the door for 'self determination'and even the idea of an 'Aztalan.' Aztalan the mythical birthplace of the Aztecs, is regarded in Chicano folklore as an area that includes California,Nevada,Arizona New Mexico and parts of Colorado and Texas.The aim is to create a sovereign state, "Republica del Norte,' the Republic of the North, that would combine the American Southwest with the Northern Mexican states and eventually merge with Mexico."
article...
http://planetimpress-news.blogspot.com/2007/09/mexico-plans-to-reconquer-california.html
QuoteQuoteNON-citizens should have NO rights in this country, except the right to LEAVE!!!!
Whoa! There's a BIG difference in being a legally immigrated NON-citizen and being an ILLEGAL immigrant.
I could care less if someone does not want to become a citizen after they've been allowed to jump through all the hoops and over all the barrels and LEGALLY immigrate to the USA. It's the ones who are here ILLEGALLY I am concerned about.
I do believe the issue of granting of citizenship to those born here to non-citizen women should be looked at and re-addressed in the light of the state of the country and the world today.
By NON-legal, I was implying those who are totally illegal. I have known several people who fought to jump the hoops of LEAL citizenship and I respect their work.
Those folks are as American as anyone else...the ones who refuse to do it by the rules should have NO rights... except of course the right to leave...as soon as possible.
QuoteI have a big problem with the Anchor babies
Sneak across the border 9 months pregnant and spit out a kid and you get to stay...I find that horrible... and it is definately being exploited
I guess you could pass a law that prevents babies getting citizenship if they are born to illegals who are in the USA without permission...Meaning if they sneak across the border they get sent back and the baby has no status
Agreed...and the mothers and children shouldn't get free medical attention while being here as criminals.
Williet
I agree illegals should not get free medical attention...But considering that they own nothing in america...Have no money...What are we going to do... shoot pregnate mothers who waddle into emergency rooms?
They kind of force the USA to treat them and give them medical care...
If they refused them and had security guards throw mothers giving birth off the property...and babies started dying it would be a public relations nightmare for the hospital... I bet some illegals would even sue!
Not sure how to solve this problem...
I saw an accident today...mexican towing a 1 ton on a trailer pulling with a half ton...could not get stopped when the light turned red and the guy in front of him did not run the red light....So we heard the brakes squealing and there were 20 feet of black skid marks...And Bang he smacked the pickup truck in front of him
Out jumped Mother Mexican and three baby mexicans..And even though the 10 year old boy was banged up a little...The mom dragged them the hell out of there...within 2 minutes they were gone not to be seen out of sight...
My wife and I were in the parking lot next to the accident looking at a really sweet 1976 Grand Cherokee to buy (attention Don ;) ...) My wife asked me why the mother was running away....I told her....Must be illegals
It was terrible mess the accident...The dumb-dumb did not have the truck chained down on the trailer so it got propelled onto the back of the halfton that was pulling the trailer...
It was deadly dangerous just considering the fact that it was a piece of junk trailer with no brakes... truck was not chained down at all 4 corners as the law requires... half ton does not have enough brakes to haul a trailer and another truck...
I felt bad for the guy that did nothing wrong and had his new extended cab ford 1 ton diesel dually smashed all to bits from behind...
You know the guy that hit him is illegal no insurance nothing...So how does he get his truck fixed...Yes folks that's right he has to pay for it himself... >:(
the point to the accident story is that there are several quagmire problems regarding the illegals in this country and there is not much we can do to solve them as there are so many illegals and our ability to handle and deal with the problem is very much inadequate :-/
"You know the guy that hit him is illegal no insurance nothing...So how does he get his truck fixed...Yes folks that's right he has to pay for it himself... "
At least in our state of Minnesota, the insurance is no-fault. You have an accident, your insurance takes care of you. However, we DO pay more for that type of coverage, so I guess in the end, we are paying for those types of drivers.
I purchase the extra cost "uninsured/under insured driver" insurance here in NM. NM lets you choose for yourself whether or not you want to but of course you have to sign a waiver if you elect to not buy it. Sounds like MN doesn't give you the choice; the govt there prefers to do your thinking for you. Don'tlike that. And yes we all pay for it in the end, one way or another.
I like no fault insurance...The Government tried to make it mandatory in Nova Scotia back when I was living there...The insurance companies took out massive air time on the radio and TV to campaign against it...
The way I see it is if the Insurance companies are against it, I am all for it!
:)
I like the choice aspect and the ability to sign a waiver... They used to have it so you could get bonded and once bonded you never had to buy insurance ever again...
This is still on the law books in Nova Scotia...But just try to do it...I spent a lot of time and half a dozen trips to the DMV and to a lawyer trying to set up a $200,000 bond... Which legally can be used in lieu of insurance...I had to get mad at a handful of DMV people before someone would even admit that the law I was talking about even existed...
I have noticed at the DMV that there M.O. is to offer no information on anything...They just want straight forward title transfers, take license pictures and issue tags.... If you have something other than that they tell you it cannot be done! Only when you find out the law and the process and go back to them and request the exact form for what it is that you want to do that they say cannot be done.... Only then does a magic drawer slide open and the forms you need appear from thin air!
Seigfried and Roy have nothing on the DMV Clerks ;)
Quotethe point to the accident story is that there are several quagmire problems regarding the illegals in this country and there is not much we can do to solve them as there are so many illegals and our ability to handle and deal with the problem is very much inadequate :-/
I have said all along, unless we as a nation are willing to have our military shoot a mother who's draggin her children behind her across the Rio-ditch...we can NEVER secure the borders of this country.
Sounds so harsh it's stupid!
BUT...how many mothers and children are being killed in Iraq everyday to try and secure the border of another country?
As long as people are willing to risk death anywhere for what they want, you can't stop them with words......The folks in Washington wanted the lands of the Cherokee and other Native Americans and they weren't at all slow about killing them. Is this any different?
My point is the Latinos and others who come here illegally will continue to as long as they are allowed to.....and the "government" must want it, or it would be stopped. We use force all over the world, but not on our own borders.......just something to think about. I'm NOT suggesting we start killing folks at the borders...just pointing out what it will take to stop the invasion.ANYTHING else will be a waste of time.
SO..why bother at all...just open the country wide open to any and all who want to come here.
Quote"You know the guy that hit him is illegal no insurance nothing...So how does he get his truck fixed...Yes folks that's right he has to pay for it himself... "
At least in our state of Minnesota, the insurance is no-fault. You have an accident, your insurance takes care of you. However, we DO pay more for that type of coverage, so I guess in the end, we are paying for those types of drivers.
Got that here too...my wife has been with lawyers for the last 2 years trying to get OUR insurance company to pay for an accident that was NOT her fault.....NO FAULT works IF your insurance company will pay up. ..BUT...to me, it looks like now you have got to sue TWO companies instead of one.
I keep Republicans talking about a law that would REQUIRE everybody with money or property to purchase health insurance....like the car insurance crap. Can't wait for that one! They'll bleed all our savings and then what????
well there is an endless barrage of scams to get you separated from your monies.
Property tax and Income tax are bogus! They came up with them to control and manipulate us...
Auto insurance health insurance are just more of the same... without buying anything or eating anything we have a huge amount of bills they say we owe them...so we have to work in their economy making it easier for them to monitor us tax us control us just to pay them said monies for fees that they have "created"
I would love to see a group of people a huge well organized group refuse to pay property and income taxes...And challenge the government...I believe that they could win because these taxes are not part of our constitution...They are corrupt taxes that are used for things like Nukes wars in Iraq etc....
I say we all head to the underground headquarters for shelter and to plan our protest ;)
Re: Thread drift... no-fault auto insurance
I don't even like the name; there's always somebody at fault, unless it's a tree falling on your car or a flood; and we'll give God a waiver on this.
I have read that there is plenty of fraud in no-fault states and that no-fault usually costs you/us more.
Finding from recent studies by the Foundation for Taxpayer and Consumer Rights (FTCR) include:
* States with some form of no-fault auto insurance are consistently a majority of the highest-priced states in the nation.
* Six of the ten states with the largest premium increases between 1998 and 2002 have mandatory, no-fault systems.
* During those same years, auto insurance premiums rose 92 percent faster in no-fault states than in personal responsibility states.
* Premiums are 19 percent higher in no-fault states than in personal responsibility states.
FTCR's website also notes "Data from no fault states shows that no fault increases premiums while restricting consumers' rights."
FTCR's website main page http://www.consumerwatchdog.org/
Auto no fault insurance specific page http://www.consumerwatchdog.org/insurance/nofault/
I don't endorse everything they say but the no-fault auto insurance information seems logical and true to me.
Quotewell there is an endless barrage of scams to get you separated from your monies.
Property tax and Income tax are bogus! They came up with them to control and manipulate us...
Auto insurance health insurance are just more of the same... without buying anything or eating anything we have a huge amount of bills they say we owe them...so we have to work in their economy making it easier for them to monitor us tax us control us just to pay them said monies for fees that they have "created"
I would love to see a group of people a huge well organized group refuse to pay property and income taxes...And challenge the government...I believe that they could win because these taxes are not part of our constitution...They are corrupt taxes that are used for things like Nukes wars in Iraq etc....
I say we all head to the underground headquarters for shelter and to plan our protest ;)
Ha Ha Ha
America's FIRST tax...George Washington taxed the selling of whiskey and brandy to pay for a "standing" military... which wasn't in the original plan of Franklin and Jefferson.
Many Revolutionary War vets who had returned to their homes, took up arms against the "new" government to stop all taxes IMPOSED by government in America because they were under the false assumption they had just fought a war for that purpose...Washington used the Army of the United States ( the standing army which was to benefit from said tax) to stop the revolt and force taxation on the citizens of America. The money to be managed by our soon to be "second" President...John Adams and another founding father, Alexander Hamilton.
This use of the Army of the United States against CITIZENS to force them to bend to the will of the President was the second travisty of our new government. The first being a TAX the citizens didn't vote on or desire.... and so ... Washington, the man forgot what the Revolution was about ... and Washington the city began ruling the citizens of this country with the threat of a standing military to enforce their rules.....
George Washington used the Army to force taxes to be collected. Adams and Hamilton used said money to found the National Bank ... (forerunner of the Fed)... That banking institute which runs the economy of our country. One of them said something like... in order to keep the common citizen in check, he'd have to be bogged down by taxation and credit. As long as a man was in debt to a bank and had to struggle to pay that debt...he wouldn't have time to challenge his government.
In an odd way, the President still uses the need for a standing military as the reason for taxes ... the Fed banking system still uses the money as they see fit and the common citizen still struggles to pay his debt and taxes. ;)
Re: Thread Topic, Illegal Immigrants Aliens
Some of the thousands of backpacks, clothing, empty water bottles, etc discarded by illegals south of Tucson, AZ
(https://i133.photobucket.com/albums/q75/djmillerbucket/oddsnends/monster_layup2.jpg)
from The Minuteman Civil Defense Corps website
http://www.minutemanhq.com/hq/borderops_27.php
main page http://www.minutemanhq.com/
looks like a good place to do some shopping...Is that on the USA side of the fence or on the Mexican side?
US of A side of the non existent or ineffective side of the fence.
I still say if we refused to allow anchor babies - yes, if they show up at the hospital, we'll deliver the baby - but nothing else! If they didn't get welfare, free schooling, free healthcare, etc, there would be no reason for them to be here illegally. That seems like a simple enough solution to me ::)
Yeah, we're never going to turn the mother to be out into the parking lot to give birth. But the birth should be the end of the freebies they receive. Absolutely.
All of the sudden I have to disagree with my wife. :o
They will take advantage of the benefits if they are there and we give them to them, but that is not the reason they are here.
A few years ago a traffic controller got $.50 an hour in Mexico. Probably still similar. Other trades are even cheaper.
Here, next door we have relatively high minimum wages in comparison. People who live here and call themselves Americans, want to make a decent wage. Most Americans want - and need to make at least $15 or more per hour just to scratch by. We want to eat steak, not bean burritos.
Corporate America and farming America doesn't like to pay even that much. They need slave labor. Mexico will provide all the slave labor we need at minimum wage (slave wage) and Corporate America will have a much better bottom line so the CEO's can drag home multi-millions and the stockholders will see a few cents increase in their investment. What high paying jobs are left and not given to the illegal aliens will be sent to India or some other country overseas.
The masses of Americans who used to make decent money will be made and kept poor so profits can be maximized. Big business has the money to buy all the politicians they need to assure themselves of keeping things running the way they want it.
If the illegals didn't get all the freebies >:(, they'd need at least $15/hr to live on too! We not only provide welfare to the illegals but to the corporations & corporate farms & yes, they own the gov't so get by with it. :'(
Not wishing to get in the middle of a spousal dispute, I should remain silent. :-X But that's not stopped me before.
I don't pretend to know how things would work out in the end, but I still maintain that we as a country are stupid if we continue to allow illegal immigrants aliens to cross any of our borders at will. (Why is it not correct to call them aliens when IF they got the beloved "green card" the card would be calling then resident "aliens" and they'd all be tickled pink?) (If anyone knows where that saying comes from I'd be interested in knowing.... I know I could google it, maybe I will?) It's a good thing I don't live any closer to the Mexican/USA border 'cause I'd likely get myself into deep doo-doo by doing something I shouldn't.
Stop the illegals, and work from there. Our own legal poor folks suck enough off the liberal do-gooder socialist government programs. If we weren't passing out so many dollars worth of services to illegals and the children of illegals we wouldn't need to be taxed so much and we'd all have more money left at the end of the day. >:(
Here in the Carolinas all the crops are picked by Mexicans....The wages are not that low...But good luck finding a white guy willing to squat out in the sun 100 degrees all day long picking crops...
They will live in squalor have their kids eat free lunch at school and the mommies will get a welfare check... Instead of them picking crops.
Here in the south People are damned lazy! why work hard when the mexicans will do it... 200 years ago they had the blacks do it for them...
If we were willing to do a little more hard work...we would not need to have millions of illegals come here to work...
The illegals perpetuate the problem...without them tomorrow we would struggle for a little while but farming would go on... food prices would change a little...Big companies would get out of farming as it would not be a rock solid option for their financial portfolio... and the individual farmers might start to make a decent living again.
Sadly farming is big business now in America...And the mom and pop 40 acre farm is a thing of the past... farmers are multi millionaires now with thousands of acres of farmland...They are guilty of wanting mexicans to increase their profits...
I grow tired of the farm aid concerts when farms are getting larger and profits are going up for farmers... The mom and pop farms are in trouble... all the other farms are mega industry...making more money than they can ever spend.
QuoteI grow tired of the farm aid concerts when farms are getting larger and profits are going up for farmers... The mom and pop farms are in trouble... all the other farms are mega industry...making more money than they can ever spend.
Yeah Peter, and a contributing factor are the various government agricultural subsidy programs that were meant to help Mom & Pop, but are subverted by mega-farm corporations to enrich their coffers.
Another one of my fall-back stances... Government should not be subsidizing anything! The free market will sort out prices and supplies.! If someone can't make a buck, they will switch to another line of business, reinvent the wheel or whatever.
Please jump on in, Don. The more the merrier. you keep her busy and I'll sneak out the back.
I Googled it, Don and I wasn't satisfied with the results. Hokey explanation.
I knew an old guy who used to say something like, "I wish I had his car and he had a feather up his ar$e and we'd both be tickled", but I don't think that means the same thing. :-/
No problem, MtnDon ;) Our debates make for lively conversations ;D - when I spoke of the corporations, I was referring to their saving money on wages which is really at our expense. They can hire illegal aliens for slave wages because our taxes pickup the rest >:(
You were wondering where "alien" came from? There's a few verses in the Bible - Old Testament - Deut. 23:7 & Malachi 3:5 - if you care to read them... wonder if that makes my attitude wrong? :-/
Now she's in trouble, Don. She checked her bible and it told her she needed to take care of those Mexicans. With religion in bed with government, I guess we know why Shrub is pushing to let them all in free. :)
Glenn, I knew I could count on someone rising to the occasion! Maybe we should complain to Google. :-/
Sassy, ya' know I was sort of proud in a strange way when I had my "Resident Alien" card. I used to tell the preschoolers I was an alien. They'd be wide-eyed and I'd show them my card. :)
and re "hire illegal aliens for slave wages because our taxes pickup the rest" that's what I mean I guess.... we'd save $$ on taxes but have to pay more for the lettuce, etc. It might even save money because we'd not have to have so much government bureaucracy involved. ? :-/
I'll have to check out the biblical quotes.... have to admit I don't have one real handy....
I guess a shrub is a bush
:-? whew, that one went right by me - didn't realize you were asking where the phrase "tickled pink" came from :-[ thought you were asking where "alien" came from :D - just worked a 13 & 17 hr shift at the hospital so haven't had a lot of sleep ::)
Google it Don -- several bibles will pop up - it will save digging one out. :)
Hopefully it will give you a better reference than it did for "Tickled Pink".
Wow! I Googled the verses and there they were!!
I suppose if you were to take these literally one might be in trouble. But I do place national sovereignty pretty darn high on my list of priorities.
I feel comfortable. I'll live with my convictions.
Shrub is little bush. :)
Quote
Hopefully it will give you a better reference than it did for "Tickled Pink".
Google came up with a pink tickler but that's best left alone.
Sassy is amazed with that one, Don. Couldn't not look. :-/
Do you think there are colloquialisms that are better off left for dead, Don? :-? It seems that one of the older ones I know gives an explanation of the feeling of Tickled Pink.
Quote... better off left for dead, Don? :-?
Probably so.
I have to sign off or the preschoolers will be more alert than me in the morning. Not always a good thing.
Yeah - guess you are right.
Get your beauty sleep. Don't want you to wake up ugly and scare the little rascals. :)
I agree that illegals make it tough for our social programs to work properly..
My wife and mother in law are teachers and I tell you that they have it rough here in South Carolina with all the illegals...The school has to subvert resources to try and get language teachers to instruct the spanish speaking kids one on one this is in addition to all the other teachers being capacitated with workloads...
There is no room for these teachers or interpreters in the Budget but the schools cannot function without them...and the teachers cannot teach the spanish kids anything but they have to try...and that takes them away from teaching the kids that speak english...It is a terrible mess...
Basically the system is not designed for illegals and their exploitation of the social program jeopardizes the level of education for everyone.
Same thing with health care... monies spent on illegals could be giving free health care to americans...
Imagine 12 million Americans having free health care tomorrow! That is a pretty big deal.
As for the crops the mexicans pick...If the mexicans were not there the farmers would have to pay a little more and white guys and black guys would pick the crops....They would get picked...There would be no unemployment in America at all... full employment...
What ticks me off is that the illegals are not even willing to spend the money in America that they make and pay no tax on... >:( They send it all home to Mexico or Honduras or wherever...So none of the money they make goes back into the local economy...This is a serious problem...Our economy relies on spin off from residents making a decent living and spending their salaries on food shelter clothing automobiles etc...
We set our bank rates to it...Our economy is based on it...and when you have 12 million illegals taking all their monies and sending it out of this country you have a serious problem...
For that alone I say we round them up and throw them out... get a cattle brand and mark everyone of them on their way out so they are easy to spot if they sneak back across..
I know that last post was harsh...But let me explain...
when our ancestors came here they learned to speak english... they paid taxes they built houses and became part of the economy and community. Their money did not get sent across the sea to Europe..It stayed here and they built here.
Illegals for the most part want to exploit this country, They want the benefits.. but they do not want to commit to America or pull their end as consumers...
And for that they should be thrown out and branded...This country has been built on immigrants that wanted to become part of society...There has never been nor is their room now for people who choose not to do so...
Period!
At the other end of the spectrum, maybe we should do it to all the big business and political whores aiding and abetting them, who are shipping the decent jobs overseas. What is worse? Illegal aliens coming here and spending at least 25% of what they make here, (come on Peter -- it has to be at least that much) or traitorous big business and politicians selling us out to India and other places to keep from paying a decent wage here. :-?
QuoteNow she's in trouble, Don. She checked her bible and it told her she needed to take care of those Mexicans. With religion in bed with government, I guess we know why Shrub is pushing to let them all in free. :)
ha ha ha ha
Quote.... Illegal aliens coming here and spending at least 25% of what they make here, (come on Peter -- it has to be at least that much)
The available information can be confusing. I've read from one source that $60 Billion dollars are earned by
illegal aliens in the US. The same report stated that $10 to $13.3 Billion are sent to Mexico annually. However some of that money being sent to Mexico is from US born Latinos and by legal immigrants. The estimate from the same source states that about
1/3 of the respondents in the survey were
illegal aliens.
But that doesn't mean that 1/3 of the total dollars remitted to Mexico come from the illegal aliens. It is more likely that the born here and legal immigrants are sending a larger share to my way of thinking. (The illegals more than likely being in the lowest paying jobs.)
But for arguments sake let's say the illegals did send the same proportion as the legals. That would then be 1/3 of $13.3 Billion, or almost $4.5 Billion dollars. $4.5B is 7.5% of the $60 Billion estimated illegal earnings. For the mathematically challenged, or calculator poor, that would mean they spend 92.5% of what they earn here in the USA. Some small portion of that
might actually be withheld as SSN or MCARE deductions IF they have any legal jobs.
However, any way you look at the dollars leaving the USA it does affect the US adversely. When you add to that the Billions spent by US Federal, State, and local governments, city, municipal, school districts, etc. there's a huge amount of money being spent because of the illegal aliens being here.
Remittances sent to Mexico are second in dollar value only to the Mexican oil revenues. ($8 Billion)
Remittances beat out dollars earned by tourism from the USA to Mexico by a long shot. ($4.9 Billion)
(Numbers are a few years old so the total are higher today, but the proportions may be about the same.)
Sources:
Colorado Alliance for Immigration Reform
http://www.cairco.org/econ/econ.html
Federation for American Immigration Reform
http://www.fairus.org/site/PageServer?pagename=iic_immigrationissuecenterslist8e20
Thanks for the numbers, Don. Seems all of this still pales in comparison to the billions of dollars of jobs sent overseas by corporate America, and the multi-billions spent on illegal undeclared wars on small countries in the middle east by unelected politicians and their corporate connected self serving political cohorts.
Glenn
I am with you man..I have told everyone I know and have done business with that they need to make sure tires they drive on... the toothpaste they use at night and the underwear they have on (hopefully no male goes commando....That is only okay for sexy ladies :P ) are all made in america...
I have a hard time buying clothing when I insist it be made by an american in America for americans...
I do not feel that l I save anything or get a good value by buying the veitnamese made shirt at Wal-Mart
I wish that every small town in america still had a sense of Community...I wish that everyone in this country understood the importance of buying american made products.
We can blame the companies...As you stated they are worthless profit driven whores....No question... But they will provide what the public demands....And if the public demanded american made and was willing to pay 15% more for genuine goods made here(with a higher quality)... I think we both know that the mega companies will do anything if they can make a buck off it...
I blame a lot of this directly on Wal-Mart... with nothing in their store that is american made... being so successful as forced everyone else to follow suit and sell junk foreign merchandise to compete
If I was rich ..I swear to God I would open a Department store that would offer North American made goods only...Food, clothing, hardware
The company might struggle for a little bit...But once people saw the difference in quality...Saw the employees getting paid better with more benefits... Like the Mom and Pop atmosphere where you took care of good employees and they really became part of the family
Sadly I am a dirt poor auto mechanic with back problems (in a lot of pain after a trip to the chiropractor) :'(
I know the feeling about American made, Peter, but I look at it differently. If our jobs are given away and they bring in cheap Chinese goods etc. I feel I have been beat down low enough that I have to go ahead and buy the cheaper workable foreign made stuff. "Upper class" America doesn't give a rats s about the working class so I will spread my few extra bucks among the Chinese.
The US leaders should be leading the way by preventing our jobs from leaving or preventing illegals from taking them. They won't do their part-- I can't afford to do mine. :( I won't punish myself for their mis-leadership. (I wonder if that's a word?) :-?
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To buy American, or not to buy American. That is the question.
I'd like to but when there's no real choice why flagellate yourself? A quick check of my wardrobe reveals: underwear (Hane's, American name made in India), my shirts (Faded Glory made in Pakistan and Bangladesh, or some other shirts (Joe Boxer made in El Salvador), or here at last my shoes...no name sneakers made in China. Heck, even my Rockports and Florsheims are made in China. (Hey I was a banker!) To be honest I can not say that any of the above mentioned goods appear to have any manufacturing defects or quality issues.
IF I could have my choice of two equal products, one an American made product, the other an import, for approximately the same expenditure I'd go American. But you can't find that in many (most) things. So why beat yourself up about it?
I believe in spending wisely, and for me that means getting the most/best return on the dollar. You have to do best by yourself, for yourself and family first and foremost.
What I DO want is jobs in America, staffed by citizens, born here or naturalized, OR LEGAL immigrants. The illegals can go back where they came from, or stay there when they know they can't sneak in and stay illegally.
That sounds similar to my view of the situation, Don. I don't see much choice either. As long as our companies are selling us out we may as well get the best deals we can for what we have. If that means we get Chinese tools where they will do for one fifth of the cost --- so be it.
Glenn
We cannot prevent our jobs from going to China or Chinese products from coming here... These are fundamental aspects of Capitalism...If you want to mention that we should not trade with china because they are not a capitalistic economy then I can mention South America and the rest of Asia
I hate it when people cry for the rest of the world to adopt democracy and Capitalism...But when an aspect of Capitalism exposes weaknesses in America's economy and workforce they want steps taken to protect American interests, American jobs etc... That is socialism And it goes against every principle of Capitalism
For the Record I am neither a Capitalist or a Socialist..I like a fine balance between the 2 personally. But America has a lot of Conservatives and Capitalism reigns supreme in this country...Therefor the only way we can ensure jobs stay here is to buy American made products.
If that means we have to pay 15 or 20% more for our goods so be it..
I look at it this way...If the Quality is better...The 20% more you pay for it when you buy it is not a big deal because it will last longer...And if you are using products to make a living for example...You will get more work done with better tools and equipment etc...
It does not have to be a massive transformation. If say 10 of the market force refused to buy items not made in America...We are talking about 40 million people...This is a large enough number to support a strong textile, manufacturing industry in this country...Which creates more jobs here..the money is made here it stays here... everyone wins..
There is a huge spin off effect...If we have people here manufacturing goods making a strong wage (as opposed to 7 bucks and hour at walmart) they have a little more money to spend on goods like american made clothes tools etc...
And because these people have better jobs and spend more money... the housing automotive sectors grow because these people are making more money and thus have more money to spend... And the people in the other sectors have more money... and so buying american products is within their budgets as well
This is a chain reaction cyclical thing... for the last couple hundred years this was the land of milk and honey because we made what we needed here by americans for americans... Now it is made in sweat shops in asia... our 100 dollar workboots cost 5 bucks to make the person making them earns 12 cents an hour! And the stockholders and Executives all make astronomical profits at the expense of the poor in Asia and the american consumer... Meanwhile our economy goes to the toilet...We have less quality jobs everyone working for minimum wage wal mart and gas stations.. nobody has any amount of money to spend so we have to buy junk asian made goods at walmart....Which makes them even richer and perpetuates our downward cycle...
No guys It has to be american made for me... I still have enough canadian made underwear from home... I brought 25 pair with me when I came here Stanfields made in Nova Scotia... When I lived in Canada I tried to buy Canadian made clothing..The price was 30% higher...But the quality was amazing The clothing lasted twice as long so I think I ended up saving money.
When you buy junk at walmart you get what you pay for... Junk
The satisfaction of saving money will fade when you see the quality of the crap they sell at walmart.
I may be weird...But I find buying products from another part of the world instead of what we could make here..to be completely unpatriotic... I would rather see people burn the flag and piss on the constitution rather than sell out and refuse to insist on american made products.
Well, Peter. What you are doing is only thinking on the little guy idealism of being patriotic. It is a noble thought, but apparently the real patriotic way is to send our jobs all overseas. Since it is our patriotic American Corporate business leaders sending our jobs away, I feel the only Patriotic thing to do is only buy Russian, Chinese, Indian and Filipino made products. Even our military is doing it. Our computer systems for our fighter jets and bombers are now subbed out to China. I recently read an article which stated that the Chinese have made modifications in our military computer hardware which allows them to own us if the wrong events happen. They simply will have to give a command and our planes will fall out of the sky.
I did the American tool thing years ago. Our capitolistic American companies shafted me. I bought a Snapon impact wrench at triple what the other mechanics paid for their cheap Japanese Black and Deckers. I had to borrow the Japanese tools to get my bolts loosened. The Snapon was crap.
I bought a 76 Chevy 4x4 with a 350 trans. The 400 trans held up too well -- wouldn't fail so Chevy put plastic thrust washers in the 350 to make it fail around 60000 miles of hard use. Engineered failure to rip off the working man.
I have to fight the unions on my jobs. Many Americans need their protection racket to hold down a job because they don't have the skills to stand on their own two feet. The unions have inflated prices so much for work that corporate America is running away from them. Prices for projects using public money are set at prevailing wage so double taxation comes into play. Great for me as I charge the same or more for my work, but the taxpayers get the shaft as every hour a worker is on the job is probably average of $50 or more even if that worker could not hold down a job in the real world.
Don't get me wrong -- there are many highly skilled union workers and I have worked with many real decent ones. I'm just saying that there are many incompetants protected by the system also and many of them feel that they need to attack independent business people on the jobsite. They have actual training sessions in the union meetings that teach them to do underhanded stunts to non-union and self employed Americans. I had a few unemployed union members working for me who told me about it. America has been made into a country of specialists by the education system. Many of these people are incapable of doing anything else because they have been forced into a specialist situation and think they can't do anything else.
"My Gawd -- I'm ruined. I'm a rocket engine seal washer installer and now the US is using Russian rockets to send our satelites into orbit as they are more reliable. I'm doomed."
QuoteNovember 11, 2002
3.3 Million US Services Jobs To Go Offshore
by John C. McCarthy
with Amy Dash, Heather Liddell, Christine Ferrusi Ross, Bruce D. Temkin
This is a document excerpt EXECUTIVE SUMMARY
Over the next 15 years, 3.3 million US services industry jobs and $136 billion in wages will move offshore to countries like India, Russia, China, and the Philippines. The IT industry will lead the initial overseas exodus.
No, Peter. Unlike you, I'm a real American. I support corporate America by buying Chinese. :)
Glenn
I am a real Canadian ;)
It still seems weird to hear someone call me American...
Real Canadians live on the other side of the US/CDN border ;)
...fooling with ya' Peter
But you're not a real American yet either.
Quote... am neither a Capitalist or a Socialist..I like a fine balance between the 2 ...
I really don't believe a capitalist economic system and a socialist economic system can coexist and work well together.
Back to Illegal Immigration
Below is a list of cities and counties that have sanctuary policies, according to a report by the Congressional Research Service from June 2007.
* Alaska
o Anchorage
o Fairbanks
* Arizona
o Chandler
* California
o Fresno
o Los Angeles
o San Diego
o San Francisco
o Sonoma County
* Connecticut
o New Haven
* Illinois
o Evanston
o Cicero
* Massachusetts
o Cambridge
o Orleans
* Maine
o Portland
* Maryland
o Baltimore
o Takoma Park
* Michigan
o Ann Arbor
o Detroit
* Minnesota
o Minneapolis
* North Carolina
o Durham
* New Mexico
o Albuquerque
o Aztec
o Rio Arriba County
o Santa Fe
* New York
o New York City
* Oregon
o Ashland
o Gaston
o Marion County
* Texas
o Austin
o Katy
* Washington
o Seattle
* Wisconsin
o Madison
Don
Capitalism and Socialism works pretty well in Canada...25 years ago there was much socialism imbedded into the economy...The economy was opened up a lot with free trade and nafta...And capitalism has been allowed to run wild... Still Canada is a country with strong social programs designed to serve the public...Education, health care, retirement... They even if indirectly have a profound effect on the economy in Canada...and as a Result Canada has a strange but successful mixture of Capitalism and Socialism
And Don I know I am not American Yet...I do not yet expect the rest of the world to serve the country I live in... When you get that attitude the holier than thou...that is when you know you are a real american ;)
Peter when I was seventeen I sampled Canadian socialism. I still don't know how they were able to get that much warm beer on one bar table. :o
Glenn you need to explain better than that! :)
I went to a bar in BC with a friend when I was 17. There was no ID check, beer was served warm as I remember and everyone bought more rounds than the table or I could hold. The table was still full when we left. At least I think we walked out of there. :-/
I thought I was walking 'til someone stepped on my fingers. :-?
ahhh drunken memories ;D
when you think you are invincible and all the girls dig you ::)
I thought I was so cute in my light green plaid designer pants. :)
i have never been drunk enough to wear plaid pants man... :-/
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What I DO want is jobs in America, staffed by citizens, born here or naturalized, OR LEGAL immigrants. The illegals can go back where they came from, or stay there when they know they can't sneak in and stay illegally.
That sounds great! How do we go about doing it?
American WORKERS not exactly the same as American Boards of Directors and CEO's who have the jobs of workers in other countrys. It really don't matter where the offices are located, What America needs are good jobs for Americans
Quotei have never been drunk enough to wear plaid pants man... :-/
Before your time, Peter -- Light green plaid was cool. 8-)
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Before your time, Peter -- Light green plaid was cool. 8-)
Ah ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,ya sure it was Glenn ::) Just keep tellin yer self that ;D
No Glenn... no light green plaid was never cool man 8-)
I am a throw back..I still wear outdated clothes ;D I drive antique vehicles and listen to vinyl records... I would never wear plad green pants man.... Some things are just never cool
Like the idea to wear polyester... what the hell were people thinking?
Dudes, I beg to differ.
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Quote1970's Mens Flares Pants
70s -Missing label- Mens green with tan accent plaid polyester flare pants with hook tab/zipper closure, four pockets and faux coin pocket on front left.
QuoteDudes, I beg to differ.
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Quote1970's Mens Flares Pants
70s -Missing label- Mens green with tan accent plaid polyester flare pants with hook tab/zipper closure, four pockets and faux coin pocket on front left.
I think you proved
our point Glenn , thanks for making that crystal clear ;D
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I am a throw back..
Yer right about that , I just don't think we can generate enought thrust to throw you all the way home to Canada eh! ;D
Maybe a space shuttle launch , we could duct tape you to the hood ;)
In my favor, I didn't pick them out. :-?
Sure Glenn...
Blame your mom... ::)
Peg
Well if you would rather instead of me living here I guess we could start a Mexicans to Whidbey Island website...and you could instead have a hundred thousand illegals sleeping in backyards where you live
I could make the web site say you are offering high paying construction jobs and that your community has lots of single young gals desperate to have anchor babies....
I mean if English speaking law abiding tax paying immigrants bother you so much
:P
Just funnin ya Petey ;D
We have plenty of damp arses here , taken over the D/W field and the painters ranks. Hard workin SOB's but damned sloppy , leave human pig $hit behind all the time. I'd fire our DW sub if it where me but thay are the cheapest guys going and the work , after you prod them turns out OK. But it's a struggle the whole way >:(
Last job our other bidder was $3000.00 more than the Mex crew , on a small job. Mex crew $3500.00 , other bid $7000.00.
I have no idea IF they are legal or illegal, not my job to check, I'm just a lowly carpenter.
Hey peg it is all good...a little funnin never hurt anyone...
Well..I dunno about you being just a lowly carpenter I am a lowly auto mechanic...
My wife thinks I am paranoid...But after the lengthy and difficult ordeal I went through to come to this country and to file papers...all the hoops you jump through to be legal...I firmly believe that 95% of the mexicans or guatamalans or wherever the hell they are from are illegal...
No way they spend months of their lives isolated from their wives and thousands of dollars to get a little piece of paper...When they can just jump across the rio grande
I didn't say it was my mom, Peter. ::)
Buddy of mine just tryed a stint workin up in Canada , near Bamphi (sp) he quit that first job as he said He couldn't afford to work for that cheap arse Swede he'd set up to work for , so he came back state sides and got a bunch of offer for work while waiting for the red tape to process up north and decide to stay here again.
He went north for the ice climbing mainly I think.
So your right I'd bet but can't prove most of those DW guys are illeagels , sort of fun to try to get them to talk to me , with my carpenter Spanish lingo , we don't get far and doa lot of showing of what the consept is.
if you ever want to have some fun..Get a couple of friends of yours to run on the job site yelling
"Immigration, this is a raid"
watch them scurry like rats in a field
;D
Glenn okay man It was not your mommy
It was your grandmommy
:P
Not true, Peter. :o
Quoteif you ever want to have some fun..Get a couple of friends of yours to run on the job site yelling
"Immigration, this is a raid"
watch them scurry like rats in a field
;D
That might be fun eh!
I watched a group of young wantabe roofers eye balling a cop car one day. I swear if that car had turned down the driveway they'd of all bolted off that roof ;D
They really where "
didn't wantabe " roofers as they didn't last long with Ira , he was to hard on um ;D
Anyway I mentioned that they all looked ready to run , they didn't even crack a smile ;D prolly to much "crack "in thier pockets , Ira and I had a good laugh about it thought :)
Oh BTW they where all lil ole white boys.
Seems that problem is much worse among the white boys than the illegals.
Glenn we are running out of choices here for who picked out the pants...
Boyfriend???
;D
Peg seems that a lot of the Drywall painting roofing trade Are on drugs... Dunno why that is..
But I do all the repair work for a fleet of vans owned by a painter and he told me that he has problems finding people to work that are not on drugs...Told me it was out of control
I know a guy with a drywall company here too said he encounters the same problem... That if he goes to a new house and does not call ahead his workers are in the house drywalling getting stoned with drug paraphanalia out in the open for the next time they want to get fried...
I'm definitely not gay, Peter. :o
well then who picked out your green plaid pants...not the mom or the grandmom... or the boyfriend...
Who was it Glenn?
Oh and btw, how do you know you are not gay? have you tried it? ;D ;D ;D ;D
Sorry old joke... ;)
Lessons from church, Peter, lessons from church.
The babysitter, Peter. She bought me the pants. I believe she retained title to them. :-?
lessons from the church....What kind of church did you go to man???
The babysitter? now you really have me confused
You don't wanna go there. :o
okay glenn I have teased you enough man
Cheers
just do not wear the plaid anymore man... ;)
OK Peter -- whew -- saved by the bell. My wife was ready to leave me.
:-/
yeah right... ::)
Glenn your wife is like my wife in that I do not think that after they agreed to marry us anything will convince them to leave us...
Just that I am all over the place... all my junk and all the weird people I meet the antique collecting being a packrat...I drive her insane! But for some reason she was okay with it when she married me and she knew what she was getting herself into (mostly)
Because I am a good boy who does not cheat, beat or even yell at her she allows me to mess with all the junk and live a crazy lifestyle :)
I am guessing you are in the same boat! 8-)
Yeah- she is quite tolerant, supportive and takes care of all the things I don't like to do, or that she can do better. :)
Glenn
everything I do not like to do naturally my wife is better at ;)
I choose to ignore you guys ::)
Here's a link to the Dream Act http://www.numbersusa.com/news?ID=8808
"The DREAM Act (S. 774) is a nightmare. It is a massive amnesty that extends to the millions of illegal aliens who entered the United States before the age of 16. The illegal alien who applies for this amnesty is immediately rewarded with "conditional" lawful permanent resident (green card) status, which can be converted to a non-conditional green card in short order. The alien can then use his newly acquired status to seek green cards for the parents who brought him in illegally in the first place. In this way, it is also a backdoor amnesty for the millions of illegal aliens who brought their children with them to the United States.
What is less well known about the DREAM Act is that it also allows illegal aliens to receive in-state tuition rates at public universities, discriminating against U.S. citizens from out of state and law-abiding foreign students. It repeals a 1996 federal law that prohibits any state from offering in-state tuition rates to illegal aliens unless the state also offers in-state tuition rates to all U.S. citizens."
SPP Alert: American fairytale
The Washington Times : September 13 , 2007 -- by M.L. PINKARD
"As Customs and Border Protection El Paso field office Director Luis Garcia advises agents "to limit inspections of vehicle and pedestrian border crossers as wait times escalate" ("Border checks limited to speed traffic," Page 1, Friday), the Security and Prosperity Partnership globalists are aiming this month to integrate America, Canada and Mexico. (they met in Quebec on 8/20,21)
While we're busy pretending to have a border, let's imagine an attack on a fictional country led to a trumped-up war. Let's also pretend the country's leader opened its borders to millions of unchecked aliens, illegal and criminal alike, meanwhile spying on citizens.
Supposedly that would be for the free movement of goods and people across borders and the protection of the country from terrorism. That's funny -- terrorism is neither a place, a thing, nor, even, a certain person or a known set of persons. And spying on citizens while aliens freely come and go?
The leader, dissatisfied with following the country's laws and highest-court rulings, makes new regulations saying he can ignore the old ones whenever he likes, while touting the country's freedom and democracy.
What a strange place." con't at http://www.numbersusa.com/news?ID=8777
Article: USA Today, 09/26
[size=12]llegal immigrants moving out[/size]
By Emily Bazar, USA TODAY
Illegal immigrants living in states and cities that have adopted strict immigration policies are packing up and moving back to their home countries or to neighboring states.
The exodus has been fueled by a wave of laws targeting illegal immigrants in Oklahoma, Arizona, Colorado, Georgia and elsewhere. Many were passed after congressional efforts to overhaul the immigration system collapsed in June.
Immigrants say the laws have raised fears of workplace raids and deportation.
"People now are really frightened and scared because they don't know what's going to happen," says Juliana Stout, an editor at the newspaper El Nacional de Oklahoma. "They're selling houses. They're leaving the country."
Supporters of the laws cheer the departure of illegal immigrants and say the laws are working as intended.
Oklahoma state Rep. Randy Terrill, Republican author of his state's law, says the flight proves it is working. "That was the intended purpose," he says. "It would be just fine with me if we exported all illegal aliens to the surrounding states."
Most provisions of an Oklahoma law take effect in November. Among other things, it cuts off benefits such as welfare and college financial aid.
article continues...
http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/2007-09-26-moving_N.htm?csp=34
sassy.... when you get married you choose very little in life... ;)
or so I find
don
all we need now is legislation that is universal coast to coast and the illegals will have no safe haven to run and hide to...They will have to become citizens pay taxes or be thrown out or in jail....
Works for me. :)
Senate shot down the DREAM Act amnesty..
(October 24) The Senate failed to obtain cloture on the DREAM Act amnesty (S. 2205) earlier this afternoon by a 52-44 vote, for which 60 YES votes were needed to prevent a filibuster. At this time, leadership from both parties are meeting to discuss further proceedings. Majority Leader Harry Reid (D-Nev.) and Assistant Majority Leader Dick Durbin (D-Ill.) were attempting to bring this nightmarish amnesty bill to the floor under Senate Rule XIV without it ever having been debated in committee. Earlier this morning, the Bush Administration issued a statement opposing the DREAM Act ...
http://www.numbersusa.com/index
MEXICO'S IMMIGRATION LAWS & ILLEGAL ALIENS
John W. Slagle
October 28, 2007
NewsWithViews.com
Recently Mexican President Calderon has been very outspoken, critical on U.S. Immigration law enforcement efforts and supports Amnesty for all illegal aliens from Mexico residing, working in this nation.
Contrary to popular belief, Mexico has very strict immigration laws which are enforced by every police agency in the country. The Bureau of Immigration can call upon any law enforcement officer to assist in their mission. Citizens from the United States traveling in Mexico without proper documents, work permits or non immigrant visas are subject to arrest as illegal aliens. con't at link below...
http://www.newswithviews.com/Slagle/john18.htm
The Mexican Government wants the best of two worlds... They want to keep the riff raff out of their country, and they do with an iron fist. At the same time they believe their own citizens have the right to enter and work in the USA without permission of the US Government. The Mexican Government looks at the USA as a source of income to counterbalance the Mexicans own shortcomings. Our US Government doesn't want to do anything about the situation either. >:(
The Mexican Government even goes as far as to promote the idea of their people coming here to work; illegally. There was the case of the infamous Mex Gov sponsored comic book that detailed how to evade the US Immigration authorities.
You are so right - and what about Ramos & Compean - the 2 border patrols who are still in prison for doing their job? They've been in prison for at least a year & in solitary confinement most of the time - one for his own safety after he was badly beaten by illegal aliens in prison... unbelievable!
It makes me mad, this illegal issue the government is not dealing with. Yet when I travel to and from the USA I need a passport.
Well that's to make sure you, the law abiding citizen of the USA, doesn't try something "funny".
I wouldn't mind that so much if the border problem was under control. This IS a federal responsibility. Trying to put the onus on the employer bothers me a bit when the feds refuse to really get on top of the issue at the border itself.
The more I think about it, I think it's all glen's fault.
Stink, You and I are among the few who realize that I am the center of the universe. Yes -- things revolve around me. :o
Without the realization of the rest of the world, I am afraid I am powerless to stop illegal immigration. :(
Now you see the power of a lack of faith. Convince the rest --for all of our sakes. :)
Just fix it glen. Just fix it. 8-)
For you, Stink, I will give it a try. :-?
I am going to start by refusing to eat Mexican food. Not only will I begin to wreck their means of support, I will also have less indigestion. :)
Please follow my lead -- drop that taco. :-/
No Mexican Food!!! :o
Don't get crazy on us, Glenn. Maybe we should give ALLl the illegals a drivers liscense and a voter ID card.....OH!!!! The government is already working on that.
If they drive, have a job, vote and get a free education and free healthcare...... what do WE as citizens get?
That's right!!!! We get to pay TAXES. :-/
Quote.... what do WE as citizens get?
...shafted
On a brighter note. Gov Bill Richardson of NM, has declared that his proposed health care plan for all New Mexicans will
not cover illegal immigrants. Woo hoo! Oh but wait... he's still not going to give them the boot. Nope, he's a Dem looking for votes. They'll just have to remain uninsured and get free care like they do at present. Remember, he gave illegal immigrants New Mexico drivers licenses a few years ago. >:(
Practicing what I preach, guys --- this morning I turned down the salsa on the side for my breakfast burrito-- I told her I wanted a Gringo burrito -- bacon and eggs - no salsa or pepper sauce. ;D
Was that allowed or should I have had it on a biscuit --- I mean - after all -- I am in their state. Isn't it enough that I made them leave out the salsa? :-?
BISCUIT if you really mean it! ;D
I think we should accept the food from illegal Mexicans, just not the up-keep for them and ALL their family members....I know that's kinda hypocritical....but....I REALLY like Mexican food! ;) And besides...the salsa I make is AMERICAN salsa.
It's hard to be fare about this and I feel guilty judging Bush over his stand on Mexicans....I love their food and he loves their destruction of the American middle class. Not sure which is gonna win out, but I don't think it matters much. We all spend too much time worring about the Mexicans...it's the Chinese who own most of our money and it looks like they're cashin in. They'll teach us to eat lead and learn to like it! :o
Actually -- I like people from all over the world and lumping them all together, I pretty well dislike politicians from all over the world. If politics, big business, religion or greed cause people to kill each other then I dislike all of that. I have been to Mexico many times - like Mexican food there better than here and like nearly all of the common people I met there.
We went to France and I liked nearly all of the common people there. As I have seen anywhere I go, they will do everything they can for you -- even if you have a very poor grasp of their language. Even backwoods America is alive with helpful people who each have their own story -- and no matter where you go it seems there is always that 1% or so who would kill you as soon as look at you. :o
The illegals just want to better themselves. They come from next to nothing and just want to make things better for their family. We should not blame them for OUR big business selling us down the river. Our big business and government whores are shafting us. >:(
China is a two edged sword. We can lose to them -- big business and gov. selling us out, but we can benefit greatly also by getting the cheaper goods we need because of the shafting we are getting by our own country giving away our jobs and sending us toward the poverty level.
I have had many conversations with English speaking Chinese people on Skype. All seemed to be likable people wanting to learn of Americans and willing to talk about life there also.
DEADLY DISEASES MIGRATING INTO AMERICA WITH ILLEGAL ALIENS
By Frosty Wooldridge
November 8, 2007
NewsWithViews.com
Los Angeles Mayor Antonio Villaraigosa supports while encouraging over two million illegal aliens in the City of Angels. He's not too happy, however, about the 20,000 Mexican and Central American gang-bangers wreaking havoc in his streets where cops fear to tread. L.A. jails bursting with convicted alien felons thrills him not one peso! Bankrupting hospitals and failing schools illustrate his incompetence.
In fact, everything in L.A. reflects Mexico City's culture: crime, drugs, rapes, drunken driving accidents, drive-by shootings, schools in disarray, hospitals collapsing and prisons bursting at the bars.
This week, he proudly announced another first: Latin American scourge turning up in U.S. immigrants. In L.A., the nation's first clinic opens to treat deadly insect-borne Chagas disease. As little as ten years ago, no one ever heard of Chagas disease in the United States. con't at link
http://www.newswithviews.com/Wooldridge/frosty309.htm
The solution is to take Mexico and make it like Puerto Rico and Guam. A non state but a US territory.
edit to add: The US Marshall Islands, but I am not sure if anyone lives on them......
What no response to my wonderful idea?
No, that is BRILLIANT Stinker!?
lol
Sorry Stink, I think I rushed through the postings and failed to get back to this. :-/
Seems our government can't even take care of what it controls now so I don't know if that would work. I think if we want to continue to use Mexican slaves, we are just goig to have to learn to speak Spanish.
Si, habla espanol. Que pensa?
Yo vivo en los Estado's Unidos, pero mi corazon es en Mexico.
So - I make a poor Mexican -- but I can usually get my point across. ::)
que?
no comprendo....
nada
A habla Espanol es muy facil. Un CD por la computadora es un maestro muy bueno. :) Comprende?
What burns me about illegal immigration is that there are good people who go through all the legal channels to get here and to work here, and they're treated like criminals until proven innocent by INS (as corrupt and messed-up and the IRS). It can take years for them to become legal and to get citizenship... and then I look at illegals waiting in line for government handouts and working wherever they want as many hours as they want... it's wrong. My husband and I married when he was on a student visa. The day we married, we applied for citizenship and a work permit. Eight months later, we conceived our first daughter, and he still didn't have a work permit, though we were calling INS every week. He was only allowed to work 20 hours a week, and it had to be on campus... he also worked as a highschool computers teacher, but the only legal way for them to pay him was to give him a scholarship (which went directly to the school) for his work. When I was five months pregnant, I had complications and ended up in the hospital for about 5 days... I was put on partial bedrest when I got out and was only allowed to teach ten hours a week for the rest of the pregnancy. I had to quit my highschool teaching job. So, between the two of us, we were only working about 30 hours a week and trying to pay medical bills. If you are applying for citizenship, you are not allowed to accept food stamps (that may have changed by now, but it was the case then) but thankfully we could use WIC. We were so poor I can remember putting $2 of gas in the car at a time and paying for it in change. After so many fruitless calls to INS telling them we were in a dire situation, we decided to drive to the OKC office to see if we could get anything done. There, the woman we talked to accused me of being an illegal alien, too, and told Lyon that because he got married while on a student visa, he was also illegal. I don't know where the heck she thought I was from, but I just about bit her head off over treating an American citizen like that, and quoted to her from the INS website where DH was completely legally married and legally in the country. Here I am huge and pregnant and she starts accusing him of just getting married to try to get a green card... it was idiotic to keep trying, so we left, after having spent so much money on the gas to drive down there that we couldn't afford to eat lunch. So, we drove home and I looked up our Congressman. We went to his office and had a meeting with one of his workers, who turned around and pushed ONE BUTTON on the phone and was immediately in touch with INS. She bawled them out and hung up, assuring Lyon that his work permit would be in the mail within the month. A week and a half later, he had a work permit, and got hired the same day for a half-time engineering job. By then, I was 8 months pregnant... so just to get a work permit, it took 16 months when he should have had it immediately upon getting married. From that time until he actually got his citizenship was almost 4 years... thankfully, after getting the work permit straightened out, INS wasn't quite as much of a pain to deal with, but it was ridiculous to be treated like a criminal when you're going through all the "proper" channels and jumping through all the hoops. >:( It aggravates me when I see illegals living off taxpayer money when we were legal and probably needed help every bit as much, but couldn't accept it without jeopardizing my husband's status.
My husband is here legally. He came here using a h1b1 (work related) then from there he became a green card holder (btw the card is not green) Permanent Resident Alien. He was going to go for his citizenship but he is angry. I do not blame him. The cost for all this the last 10 years has been high. When he became the green card holder I had to sign away my life for him over the next 10 years. If we divorce and he loses his job any welfare, short term assistants is on me to repay. This is the kicker........Because he is not a citizen, if he is caught even touching our 12 gauge he can be kicked out of this country. Yep....I tell the truth. Now there is a form he can fill out to have permission to handle a fire arm. MORE MONEY.....Yet we have others here that are not here legally and carry fire arms for the wrong reasons and will never have this burden placed upon them. I am personally tired for the double standard/ treatment. One way for those who do it right, they pay a higher burden in expense and consequense and those who do it wrong and have very little if anything done. Justice is suppose to be blind, not deaf and dumb too.
edit to add....I am sure I wrote this tune before.........
Your stories just go to show how corrupt the system is. You go through all the legal hoops & end up being treated as criminals & pay through the nose. If a person comes over illegally, their children born here automatically become citizens, they get free healthcare, welfare, food stamps, WIC, free bilingual schooling, free breakfasts & lunches at school. If an illegal alien gets stopped for speeding, reckless driving etc the cops can't ask if they are here illegally. Heck, the INS has forbidden the border patrol to pursue, arrest, shoot at illegal aliens even if they have truckloads of drugs & try to run you over - read about Ramos & Campean - still in prison for doing their jobs! >:( Now if that isn't a travesty!!!
Ramos & Campean are Political Prisoners....
I agree totally, Stinkerbell. I can't even remember all the forms, and for every form, all the money that went away with them. How much does it cost to buy American citizenship? It's not cheap. It wouldn't bother me so much to spend the money if INS really got things done when they should and when they say they will, and if they didn't treat you like a criminal the whole time you're going through the process... The Korean equivalent was just as bad... they presumed that my husband had married me to get out of the mandatory Korean military service, and when I was a few months pregnant with our second one, they forced him to come to Korea and threatened to make him serve five years in a government office (because of his education and his age, he could serve five years working for the government, most likely dept. of defense, instead of the normal 2 years 2 months in the military.) So, he made the trip to Korea, and the next week, my then 1-year-old and I followed, and we didn't know until we landed in Korea if he would be able to come home with us or not, and if he would get to finish his dissertation or not. I've never been so relieved as when we were through customs and back in the US again... I would have had to move to Korea with a baby and work as an ESL teacher to make a living, and probably even give birth in Korea to our second daughter, which I was by no means prepared to do.
Much of the unfairness is because the people you are dealing with - even though they may be peons, are on their own little power trip, and they enjoy making other people squirm -- be they legal or trying to get legal. Some will be decent and genuinely try to help you but the majority enjoy setting up roadblocks in whatever way they can.
I see it anywhere the parasites have a bit of authority. >:(
There -- another of my little anti-authoritarian rants.
Yours' are the type of stories that should be in the news - get a personal slant to things instead of GW Bush accusing us of being prejudiced against "immigrants" ie illegal aliens >:( and "un-American!"
The battle's not over for our borders...
How US Attorney Sutton Stacked the Deck Against 2 Border Patrol Agents [sad1]
Author Michael Cutler writes at the end of his article:
The apparently malicious prosecution of Border Patrol Agents Ramos and Compean represents a threat to the safety and security of the United States and its citizens, because it has to have a chilling effect on the other valiant members of the United States Border Patrol.
The administration has had an abysmal track record where the security of our nation's borders and the enforcement of our nation's immigration laws are concerned. Johnny Sutton is a long-time friend of the President going back to the days before George W. Bush even ran for the Presidency. This administration has consistently failed to take common sense steps to secure the borders and provide the resources to get this critical job done. (for rest of article, go to link)
http://www.newswithviews.com/Cutler/michael18.htm
Author Michael W. Cutler graduated from Brooklyn College of the City University of New York in 1971 with a B.A. in Communications Arts and Sciences. Mr. Cutler began working for the Immigration and Naturalization Service (INS) in October 1971 when he entered on duty as an Immigration Inspector assigned to John F. Kennedy International Airport. In August 1975 he became a Criminal Investigator (Special Agent) for the INS at NYC.
He rotated through virtually every squad in the Investigations Branch. From 1988 until 1991 he was assigned as the INS representative to the Unified Intelligence Division (UID) of the DEA in New York. In 1991 he was promoted to the position of Senior Special Agent and was assigned to the Organized Crime, Drug Enforcement Task Force (OCDETF) which required that he work with members of other law enforcement agencies including the FBI, DEA, ATF, U.S. Customs and local and state police as well as law enforcement organizations of other countries including Israel, Canada, Great Britain and Japan, to conduct investigations of aliens involved in major drug trafficking organizations. He retired from the INS in February 2002, after a career that spanned some 30 years.
Finally Michael Cutler has appeared on numerous television and radio programs including Lou Dobbs, Fox News, MSNBC and many other television and radio news-oriented programs to discuss the enforcement of immigration laws.
Ya know, it might have been a great question on the YouTube Republican Debate to ask last night. I think I should have asked, "If you are elected President will you pardon the two Border Agents in Prison and also investigate what went wrong and revamp the Border Patrol?" ...something like that.
That would have put a few on the spot, now, wouldn't it have? [noidea' [toilet]
Illegal Aliens Cause Massive
Cuts For US Seniors
http://rense.com/general79/seniors.htm
There would be no illegal aliens if they had money. All you need to get in America legaly is to pay a lawyer to do the paperwork. My wife is German and from reading the INS laws we thought it was going to be a real hassle to get her a green card but after talking to an imigration lawyer we discovered the secret back door you can open just by hiring the right lawyer. Seems there are special programs for people who can pay. Thats right folks if you can pay you can play. She walked through the entire process and had no problems at all and only had to go to one interview that lasted 15 minutes. Total cost: $3500
The spouse of any US Citizen has a much easier time of gaining legal residence status. That's always been the case. The process may involve more hoops today than in 1985 when I earned my Resident Alien card. :-\ I can't say for certain.
I believe most others, with no familial connections in the USA, will have a much tougher time, especially if the person doesn't posses any marketable skills that are needed. I think that's fair.
I agree Don but I think it's odd that before hiring a lawyer we where looking at a long wait for her to enter the country permanently and alot of hoops to jump thru. Soon as we hired the lawyer the wait and the most of the hoops vannished. The method the lawyer had us use to get her in the country was suposedly illegal but they never said a word about how she got in the country. Basicly she told us the best way to gain resident status was to already be in the US. How you get here didn't matter. We got married 8 months after she got here.
that is what my lawyer told me too...
I got married and I had to go home for my business there... It was a colossal pain in the arse to get back into the US... I never should have left...
When you are not in the country and trying to gain status... whoa boy they really stick it to you.
Really stinks..If I had not hired a lawyer I would not likely have been able to figure it all out....It was expensive no doubt about it... Us government got $1500 just in fees and the Lawyer got about double that from me... All so I could see my wife and live with her...And she was born in the USA....I was totally shocked at how tough it was
God Bless America
Grassfire Interview with Tara Setmayer
I have just concluded an absolutely compelling interview with Tara Setmayer, who serves as the Communications Director for Rep. Dana Rohrabacher (R-CA). Tara has been an incredible help to Grassfire in our efforts to free Ramos and Compean, and was present at the recent Ramos and Compean appeal in New Orleans.
I wanted her to give you an "insider's" glimpse into the appeal, the case and what lies ahead for these two imprisoned Border Agents--who today (Tuesday) are spending their 328th day in solitary confinement!
http://www.firesociety.com/blog/107/20103/?src=111
A very positive step in Arizona
http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20071230/ts_alt_afp/usimmigrationeconomyarizona
This is not the total solution...But if you stop american businesses from knowingly hiring illegals. You stem the number of people coming into the country... Immigration is not a bad thing...And in smaller amounts people coming to America can be dealt with... Programs to make illegals citizens to get them paying taxes and contributing to society could work if America only had a small immigration problem instead of an out of control one...
Plus this is great for american workers...Not being able to exploit cheap illegal labour forces american businesses to pay higher wages to american workers. I am all for american workers getting a fair wage and staying employed.
I was just told about a company here in North Alabama, Huntsville, that's going to hire about 1300 illegals for a "short time"... 2 to 3 years, from now on as long as the company is doing business. This company will get them a workers visa...thus making them "legal" while using cheap labor. The company plans to bring them into the area, furnish them a visa, a place to live, transportation and 12 hr a day job, six days a week. At the end of the 3 yr period, they can get another visa and so on for a full career with the company.
It's been in the papers and the Governor has said the company's doing nothing "illegal" due to the temp workers visa's....The company will still profit off these folks while not offering the jobs to LEGAL U.S. citizens...they get out of paying benefits and a fare wage this way and the "government" says it's all legal.....the 1300 folks will still bleed of the local tax payer and add nothing to the community and local CITIZENS will still be unemployed.
There's always a way ....
We need a new Governor and better local laws on employment of temp workers.
It's a company that makes blank CD's....can't think of the name right now.
Corporate America does not care for the people of America, as long as the fat CEO's get their millions, the lobbyists get paid off, the investors get their pittance, all is well as far as they care.
I'm a democrat...(pro union / living wages, equal rights, et al) but am getting pissed about our soft stance on illegal immigration. It's wrong and we need to take a strong stand. It won't happen, and we loose on account of it.
We are all in a fascist state, Frank. The people will not prevail over the big business, big government and military coalition. Brand of politics doesn't much matter. It's all being rendered pretty much generic.
Quote from: MountainDon on December 11, 2007, 05:49:21 PM
The spouse of any US Citizen has a much easier time of gaining legal residence status. That's always been the case. The process may involve more hoops today than in 1985 when I earned my Resident Alien card. :-\ I can't say for certain.
I believe most others, with no familial connections in the USA, will have a much tougher time, especially if the person doesn't posses any marketable skills that are needed. I think that's fair.
On the contrary, Don, our process for DH to get permanent residence and eventually citizenship was a long and drawn-out ordeal... and it cost us no less than it did for Scott's wife even though we never hired a lawyer. It seemed to all get off on the wrong foot because my husband was on a student visa when we married and the OKC office seemed to think that you couldn't be both married to a US citizen AND a grad student at the same time. The fight was on from that point on. He couldn't even get work clearance in the US until I was about 8 months pregnant with our first daughter, somewhere around 20 months after we were married. During the whole thing, we had everything happen from the Korean government not believing the "conditional" green card was a real green card and trying to force DH to come home while I was pregnant with DD #2 to serve 5 years working for the Korean government because they believed he was too old to do the typical 2 year 2 month stint in the Korean army to the INS office accusing ME of being in the country illegally (c'mon folks, I know I'm not your typical blue-eyed blonde, white bread American, but pray tell, WHERE did she think I was from for crying out loud????) He finally got his citizenship a year ago around Thanksgiving time, more than 6 years since we got married... we applied for his green card the week we got married. There was nothing easy about it. Since we couldn't afford lawyers, out of desperation we went to our congressman, and they contacted INS, chewed them out, and got the ball rolling within two weeks. If only we'd known to do that sooner.
Any interest here in Spanish lessons?
HT, your situation was terrible...
My hubby just about refuses to get his citizenship (He has his perm. alien card). Like I stated before he is angry that he has jumped through all the hoops and the cost...He is angry that others are here illegally and seem to have more rights and more privi's.
i could complain about all the headaches my wife and I went through...But it would not do any good... >:(
Imagine if I was born in iran instead of Canada.... Holy crap that would be impossible d*
Sorry to hear about the travails you and your husband were put through Homegrown. It's almost embarrassing for me to say it was about as easy as falling off a log in my case. No lawyers. Just complete forms and submit them along with whatever was asked for. :-\ OMMV.
MTL it made a difference that I married my US born wife in Canada years before we decided we wanted to move to the USA. IIRC when my sister decided she was already in the USA and wanted to stay, she also had legal problems because she got married (in the USA) after she was already here, without being documented properly. It seems they do take a dim view of that... probably too many marriages of convenience occur with intent to subvert the process.
Now we school them when they live across the border.
http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=D8TSKC1G0&show_article=1
We know exactly where one cow with Mad-cow-disease is located among millions and millions of cows in America but we haven't got a clue as to where millions of illegal immigrants and terrorists are located. Maybe we should put the Department of Agriculture in charge of Immigration?
As you study a bit deeper you will find that the Department of Agriculture has repeatedly blocked testing and covered up mad cow disease in the US. A company in Washington state and other places, wanted to implement ther own testing for mad cow and were stopped because if it is not tested for it cannot be reported so there is no problem to report. If one happens to get caught -- it will be traced to a herd in Canada.
So---- immigration will still be as our government and big business want it --- not as the people want it.
http://www.organicconsumers.org/articles/article_440.cfm
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/02/02/AR2006020202240.html
Hey - can't endanger our beef industry even if people are dying -- and go ahead and eat that steak quivering -- it takes 8 to 900 degrees F. to kill it anyway.
Glenn that is why I raise my own. If I die it is my own fault not the fault of someone that has used animal waste to feed back to their cows.
Good idea. I haven't been around enough to do it though -
Quote from: Redoverfarm on January 05, 2008, 10:06:39 PM
We know exactly where one cow with Mad-cow-disease is located among millions and millions of cows in America but we haven't got a clue as to where millions of illegal immigrants and terrorists are located. Maybe we should put the Department of Agriculture in charge of Immigration?
Our government is doing exactly what it wants in both cases. The joke of "mad cow" and the over running by illegal cheap labor are both by design. Whenever people become scared...ie...terrorism or mad cow or whatever, the government steals more power to "protect us" and whenever there's a pool of cheap labor, Wall Street gets richer and richer....
There's no surprise in either. Mad Cow is something that happens in such a tiny portion of the population that it's foolish to even think about it. There's a greater chance of getting polio than mad cow...but it sure scares folks...which gives the government, FDA the opportunity to regulate (NAIS) any and all livestock, establish even more bureaucracy and force an increase in the price of foods.
Illegal workers will eventually kill all the gains made by unions and the American labor force for the last hundred years over GREEDY business. Wall Street has always wanted to do that. It's just in the last several years that the government has actively and unabashedly gone about the destruction of the LEGAL AMERICAN WORKER.....Lobbyists and CROOKS!!! An aliance of religious leaders, military leaders and business leaders...Glenn's right....Fascists ALL!!!! Business rules, religion supports and the military enforces it.
I listen to these FOOLS on the business channel talking about how wonderful it is for the dollar to be worth less and less against other currency and I wonder whatever happened to being a traitor to this country. It's a terrible thing that Obama has a middle name that reflects his mid-eastern roots, but it's great that these business types can destroy the ecomony on purpose and get rich doing it. Hedge Fund Managers and Market Makers.....
Cheney calls for the end of Habeas Corpus and he's a fabulous leader....Obama's middle name is the same as his grandfather and we better watch him......If an American company moves it's headquarters to the Cayman Islands to avoid tax, it's just good business...but if some American CITIZEN chooses not to allow a SWAT team inside their house without a search warrent, they're EVIL and UN American..... Ron Paul believes in the Constitution and he's a NUT JOB... while McCain wants our troops involved in policing the entire world at AMERICAN taxpayer expense and people actually listen to his CRAP!!!
AAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Sorry...I get carried away sometimes.....and today I heard that what we need to FIX our economy is to let the dollar to be worthless so the Saudi's can buy even more of our debt.....and It just got to me.
I hear ya, Williet :( d* [frus] [toilet] [noidea' [crz]
I see you have a handle on it Williet.
QuoteAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
And Lucy still holds the football.
Invade Mexico......... ;D
They may not have enough oil for us to invade
They have a great many natural resources we can exploit.
Americans are afraid to go there. [crz]
http://www.rense.com/general79/mxc.htm
Quote from: glenn kangiser on January 10, 2008, 12:14:21 AM
Americans are afraid to go there.
And you can't take you own guns there. Even as much as a forgotten single piece of ammunition under a seat will land you in a heap of trouble.
they have been using their oil up at an alarming rate...But they still have a massive amount
Besides being a neighbor and the low cost to invade occupy and ship the oil would more than make up taking a country with a lesser oil supply than iraq
I say we go get em
Mexican soldiers found invading United States
Government report documents dozens of armed campaigns in Texas, Arizona
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=59611
New statistics from the Department of Public Social Services reveal that illegal aliens and their families in Los Angeles County collected over $37 million in welfare and food stamp allocations in November 2007 – up $3 million dollars from September, announced Los Angeles County Supervisor Michael D. Antonovich.
http://www.hometownstation.com/illegal-aliens-clarita-2008-01-05-10-23.html
Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger, acknowledging that California faces tough economic times, proposed an austere budget Thursday for the next fiscal year that would take billions of dollars from public schools, shut down four dozen state parks and release tens of thousands of prisoners to close a projected $14.5 billion deficit
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2008/01/11/MNCUUD91O.DTL
I don't have anything nice to add, so I won't. d* ??? >:(
d* Invade d*
I like the mountains and cooler weather...let's invade Canada!
Quote from: williet on January 14, 2008, 10:58:32 AM
I like the mountains and cooler weather...let's invade Canada!
Yeah you are closer anyway.
This guy is clear on what he thinks of illegal immigration. There are a few clips on different issues and he tells it like it is. Warning: strong language: "TheGuyFromBoston"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=On9uDgfmra0
Warning: strong language: "TheGuyFromBoston"
Wow! [shocked] Major potty mouth! rofl
MY EARS! MY EARS! rofl
I see just one tiny little problem with the guy from Boston. We are American and we should be speaking American, not that English stuff from England.... ;)
the guy is a bit of a jerk..
But not naming english the language of america is a bit ridculous...Someone needs to list what senators vote for or against important bills and laws.
Sprechen Sie deutsch?
Hi Folks, Found some interesting stuff here....www.casadice.com (http://www.casadice.com) .... (could use a little help .... I still can't cut and paste d*)......Sparks....
ED: fixed url, MD
Quote from: benevolance on January 14, 2008, 05:44:20 PM
the guy is a bit of a jerk..
But not naming english the language of america is a bit ridculous...Someone needs to list what senators vote for or against important bills and laws.
I AGREE!!! If we knew just who was doing what, I believe it might make a difference.
The local news should start each program with a list of who voted for what...all the computer servers should have it as a heading...and all the cable channels should run it at the bottom of the screen....every day....I really think it would help people see what goes on day to day in Washington.
They have REAL TIME graphs to show these politicans what people think as they make a speech.....why not the same with Washington? If they saw their decisions were actually connected to their jobs, they might pay more attention to the citizens they're there to represent.
The men and women in congress are elected at the state level so they only need to keep the people in their state happy and in many cases only in their districts. To make it worse only a small portion of the population actualy votes and know who those people are. So in reality they only need need to keep a very small portion of the people voting for them in order to keep their jobs. Economics is what gets congress persons elected most of the time. How much federal pork they send back home means alot more than voting for a language bill in most cases.
Quote from: williet on January 15, 2008, 11:09:29 AMThe local news should start each program with a list of who voted for what...all the computer servers should have it as a heading...
Our local newspaper runs a weekly wrapup of who voted which way for what. Nice to have. But who knows how many read it. ???
This is a pretty good insight for immigrations. A little long but worth the wait.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n7WJeqxuOfQ
Looked like the talk was given in 1990? The projections looked bad then, I think there's been a lot more people come through the borders than even he projected... >:( illegals making up the bulk w*
Texas hospital locked down to protect Mexican official
Police commander targeted for assassination, locals fear drug-war spillover
--El Paso Times
http://www.elpasotimes.com/ci_8071966
Mexican Authorities Arrest Man in Border Agent's Death
January 24th, 2008 @ 5:35am
by Associated Press
Mexican authorities said Wednesday they have arrested a man for the weekend killing of a U.S. Border Patrol agent who was run over by a suspected smuggler's vehicle.
Agent Luis Aguilar, 32, was placing spike strips in the path of two vehicles believed to have illegally entered the United States from Mexico when one of the vehicles struck and killed him on Saturday, according to Border Patrol authorities in Arizona. http://ktar.com/?nid=6&sid=710866
While Compean & Ramos sit in prison for over a year for doing their job >:(
If the agent hadn't died he'd probly have been charged with endangering the smugglers by trying to blow out their tires.
Looks like the illegal aliens will be getting a tax rebate...
http://by107w.bay107.mail.live.com/mail/ReadMessageLight.aspx?Aux=4%7c0%7c8CA3183E8EE1590%7c&FolderID=00000000-0000-0000-0000-000000000001&InboxSortAscending=False&InboxSortBy=Date&ReadMessageId=4fbcb4b1-6c6f-49c6-a847-2e8be2df143c&n=1481337469
I have just learned that the just passed House Stimulus package
intended to jump-start a sagging economy by giving citizens rebates,
also includes cash benefits for illegal aliens!
Yes, kathryn, you read that right.
According to FOX News, the plan would benefit those illegal aliens
who qualify as "resident aliens" - meaning they have
spent a substantial amount of time in the U.S. and have not
yet been deported.
These so-called "resident aliens" also must have been assigned
an Individual Tax Identification Number.
What?
Assigning a tax number to an illegal alien in-effect legitimizes
their right to be in the U.S!
As Rep. Tom Tancredo said to FOX News, the bill will certainly
stimulate "more illegal immigration."
kathryn, once again this is a slap in the face to citizen taxpayers,
and I'm calling on you to take immediate action with me by calling
your Senators and demanding rebates to illegal aliens be dropped
from this bill.
Here's your contact information for:
Sen. Feinstein 202-224-3841 (California)
Sen. Boxer 202-224-3553 (California)
This bill easily passed through the House (385-35), and it is my hope
that our Grassfire team will be able to restore some sense and sensibility
as this bill progresses through the Senate.
Apparently they are getting serious about stopping this illegal immigration in the south. Some appear to have taken it into their own hands. Nothing like a bunch of ticked off redneck vigilantes. Thanks for alerting me, John. (redoverfarm)
(https://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d184/glennkangiser/trap.jpg)
Either take Mexico and turn into a territory or learn to speak Spanish. Only one country here is going to win and right now it looks like the US is surrendering to Mexico.
We learned to speak a little Spanish, Stink. Not fluent but enough to get by, living in California. We have learned that if we try to speak Spanish and butcher it bad enough, the Mexicans will feel sorry for us and start speaking to us in English. It helps when we are in the stores in California and trying to purchase goods or something. [crz]
I speak spanglish myself. I am just so irritated by this. I am really thinking that DC should not raise the American Flag any longer and should just raise a white flag. I am so dissatisfied with the government.
You can trace this whole imigration problem to the fact teenagers are too lazy to mow lawns. Thats what started it. The government was faced with a crisis of overgrown yards and had to act fast. As it happens there was a ready made supply of yard workers waiting at the river. This soon spread to other teen jobs like fast food and the rest is history. So I blame lazy teenagers for this imigration mess.
I knew government was behind this....actually they really are. >:(
On Wed, 6 June 2007, 23:35:23 'Colonel Harry Riley USA ret' wrote:
33 Senators Voted Against English
as America's Official Language
June 6, 2007
Senator Biden,
Senator Clinton, Senator Dodd, and Senator Obama.
Four Senators vying to lead America but won't or
don't have the courage to cast a vote in favor of
English as America's official language when 91% of
American citizens want English officially designated
as our language.
The entire immigration bill is a farce...your action
only confirms this really isn't about America, it's
about self-serving politics....despicable at best.
Everybody's playing politics with this issue for now...25% of those expected to vote are Latino or connected to the Latino's ....1 in 4 of suspected voters.....The politicans are walking on egg shells for now...we'll see more after the election (I hope)....
Hillary and Obama both said in the last debate that they thought they should be required to learn to speak English...
This problem should have been delt with long before there were so many Latino's who wanted to change this country into an up-scale Mexico....years ago.....
I told my wife a few weeks ago..."unless we're ready to shoot a mother carrying a baby when she crosses the border, we'll never win on this".....the BEST option is for US to assimilate as best as possible.....
It will be a Latino United States because we don't have enough backbone to defend our own country.
It's amazing to me that our government will kill thousands of Iraqi's to keep them in one section of THEIR country and opens OUR country up to any who wants to enter......
Another issue that bothers me is the % of U.S. "CITIZENS" who don't vote....I saw in my state of Alabama..a record turnout is expected tomorrow..... 35% !!!!!
WE DESERVE WHAT WE GET...... OUR NOSE IS IN THE BUSINESS OF OTHER COUNTRIES...AND OUR BUSINESS IS GOING UNATTENDED!!!!!
We waste the bounty of America for Bush and Cheney's Dream War and allow an INVASION to occur here.
You talk as though the government can't do anything or is affraid to. The truth is they want the imigrants. 30 years ago America was nearing 0 population growth. The only way the beast known as the federal government can survive with it's enormous debt to constantly expand the tax base (tax slaves) to cover the ever growing deficits. The imigration issue is a non-issue in washington because it's part of the grand plan.
True, Scott -- our traitors in office refuse to do the will of the people. The people don't understand why there is a problem because a lot of them still believe that they actually have a part in the election of the leaders of the country and that they will represent them as they should. Limited choices based on who is offered and rigging of the vote by fraud assure us it will continue to be business as usual until it totally breaks.
ASK THESE GUYS WHAT HAPPENS WHEN YOU DON'T CONTROL IMMIGRATION!
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;D ;D
thanks to John (redoverfarm)
rofl
I wasn't sure if I should put that here or under humor? ???
Sad but true I would say.
Looks like the illegals won also.
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No apology for sending this ! ! ! After hearing they want to sing the National Anthem in Spanish - enough is enough. Nowhere did they sing it in Italian, Polish, Irish (Celtic), German or any other language because of immigration. It was written by Francis Scott Key and should be sung word for word the way it was written The news broadcasts even gave the translation -- not even close. NOT sorry if this offends anyone because this is MY COUNTRY - IF IT IS YOUR COUNTRY SPEAK UP -- please pass this along.
I am not against immigration -- just come through like everyone else. Get a sponsor; have a place to lay your head; have a job; pay your taxes, live by the rules AND LEARN THE LANGUAGE as all other immigrants have in the past -- and GOD BLESS AMERICA!
PART OF THE PROBLEM
Think about this: If you don't say something for fear of offending someone -- YOU'RE PART OF THE PROBLEM!
It is Time for America to Speak up .
ED: link repaired - MD
John, did you move/delete the picture or did photobucket do it. ??? ???
email it to me
... and you are absolutely correct in stating the the national Anthem is meant to be sung in ENGLISH (American English) !!
Don it should be back there. It is showing to me.
yes it is there now... it wasn't before and what was displayed was a sinister looking message that could be interpretted as censorship in action. I couldn't really believe that. Weird.
Anyhow I still agree with your opinion.
Isn't the statue of liberty made of copper? Should bring a good price for scrap.
3/32 Cu. About the same a two pennies
notice my patina?
Quote from: MountainDon on March 16, 2008, 06:27:44 PM
3/32 Cu. About the same a two pennies
notice my patina?
Cu in pennies? Last time I tried to use a penny to make a button for DW ift vaporized. Yep! no CU just base metal.
Sorry that was a tad off topic. Speaking of which I also don't approve of "english as a second language" English as a first language, and teach what ever other language they wish next.
Don't feel bad. We aren't the only country with this problem. My wife tells me Germany is overrun with Turkish immigrants. Looks like the whole world has become a melting pot.
gandalfthegrey talking of pennies. News tonight said that it cost the goverment 1.7 cents to make a 1 cent penny. Discussion went to making them out of steel to save $100M a year. Something like 8M made per year or was that a month.
Quote from: gandalfthegrey on March 16, 2008, 07:10:59 PM
no CU just base metal.
Sorry that was a tad off topic.
I think it's Cu plated over Zn [zinc] and even that costs more than a penny to mint. I've read talk about using steel to save on costs. Ditto the nickel coin, it costs more than face value to mint.
Whoops there ya go. John saw it on TV. :-[
As for off topic. That has never stopped most of us. I can see you're feeling at home here. ;D
gandalfthegrey don't wory too much about the "Off topic" as that is what we have Don and Glenn for. It usually gets back on track after a while. Hey it keeps the mind working and we can tell who is off in left field that way. ;D
Left field?
That's home for some of us. :D
Thanks and please call me John. I really going to have to leave that old gezzer behind some day.
Does anybody know anyone who can get off topic quicker than I can? My excuse is that that's how we learn new things-- so -- at ease. :)
My excuse is everything pretty much reminds me of something else...
Yeah -- it's like -- dude --- you remind me of an alien...but not an illegal one.
This will pass, and Tuesday someone who wasn't here over the past couple of days won't have a clue. 8)
I understand, Don-- like a fart in a fan factory.
Something is messed up here. I pressed 2 for Spanish and it's not working. ???
Sassy always yells at the recording --- NO I DON"T WANT TO SPEAK IN SPANISH.
i drop the f bomb in there glenn
when automation asks for my info I combine the syllables for f bombs... for example
Things like that
n* Peter.
[frus]
[toilet]
Don that was clean man.....Trust me
OK [noidea'
Lots of ladies here, Peter -- so I try to keep it around PG - other than that I don't bleep much.
I know glenn
I avoided dropping any f bombs
I like getting creative though... using things like "F" "U"
So the point gets across without upsetting everyone...though it is cool if I upset Don ;)
I rarely use such language unless I smash my finger with a hammer or something and even then it's only once in a while.
Peter, That's not even creative.
However, your post is rather eloquent in it's own way.
It does speak volumes, if ya' catch my drift.
Interesting, but if I am working and get frustrated and drop a few bad words, Suzy and Spike both drop whatever they're doing and run for the truck. (They can go to some of my local jobs out in the sticks and prospecting).
Must be bad if the dog doesn't like it. hmm.
Well -- I'm too old to learn better now. [crz]
:) I hope everybody's having a good day.
I'm doing just fine, Don. I was just cleaning up the postings a bit. :)
I have mixed feelings about the Border Patrol situation. All of a sudden there are a bunch of these guys patrolling the highway (which follows the coast - and Canada is in sight 17 miles north across the water).
They have been setting up roadblocks, checking papers, now they have dogs, and they are planning to build a detention center in Port Angeles.
They've also been holding public meetings all over the Peninsula to tell folks that stopping people to check their citizenship is constitutional.....
"Yeah we're the good guys but we don't have to have a reason to do this - it is constitutional."
They are trying to protect us from the Canadians? It's giving me the willys. :-\
Not from the Canadians, but from whoever their more lax standards might have allowed entry to Canada.
Maybe?
Ahmed Ressam, an Algerian living in Canada, planned to bomb Los Angeles International Airport (LAX). He was arrested at Port Angeles, Washington after crossing by ferry from Victoria, British Columbia, on December 14, 1999. Customs officials then found nitroglycerin and four timing devices concealed in a spare tire well of his automobile.
I have to agree w/ Don on this. I don't think we have anything to fear from a Canadian but who has taken up residency in their country for the oppurtunity to make an entry into the US. But then again just like Americans there are rotten apples in every basket and I would say that Canada has them also. But how do you know who they are. Would you vouch for someone you have never met before? I wouldn't and I think if the proper training is given to the Border Patrol I would rather them do it.
Terrorist arrested at Port Angeles.... I was here when it happened. But. The normal process of entry security pegged and detained him.
Not this stuff like we are seeing now. They pull over buses and go person to person, checking papers.
It's new, its really different. No probable cause. If they were doing this in your area you might feel differently.
No I don't have anything to hide, but if they were really doing their job, they would know the area and its residents, a license plate should tell them what they need to know, and they'd leave the locals alone.
Well since this was dug up, I'll give my .02 cents on my views of immigration.
I understand we are a nation of immigrants and I'm well aware of what our Statue of Liberty says, however the worlds population is growing fast and we have a limited number of resources. Some take years to replenish themselves, others take millenia-plus to replenish. That said, I think our country is at a point where immigration levels should be set to "Replacement Level Only".
This gentleman in this video does a stand-up job explaining it: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n7WJeqxuOfQ
I don't know if this has been posted here yet ???
http://www.maldef.org/news/releases/vicente_barnett_2_18_09/
No, I've never seen that one before, Whitlock.
As with all, or most news stories we are only being shown the one side of the story. Threatening people when they are not actively threatening you is always a bad idea, even if they are seemingly doing something illegal.
I am somewhat conflicted on this topic. I am a believer in enforcement of immigration laws. At the same time I do recognize there is a need for lower cost labor in many walks of American life. I guess I'd be happy if the present laws were honored by all.
As for what the future will bring, recent reading has convinced me that the USA will actually be searching out import labor in the next 50 years or so.
I think Kinky Friedman had a good plan,
hire 5 mexican generals; one for different sections of the border. ie, california, texas, etc. Put 1 million dollars in escrow for each general. every immigrant we catch coming over in there section-remove 10,000 dollars from their escrow. repeat every year - refilling the coffers and keeping incentives up.
much cheaper than a wall