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Title: 20 x 20 w 8 x 10 bedroom
Post by: Mike 870 on March 20, 2014, 05:52:24 PM
I imagine this will probably progress rather slowly.  After about 10 years of waiting, saving, searching, saving and waiting some more here are pictures of my land.  I have no idea what I'm going to build hence the title.  I change my mind about once a day, and will probably change my mind as I'm building.  The first structure will probably be a bit of a glamping theme (glamorous camping).

Pictures, hope your internet speed is fast...
Entering the property:
(https://i801.photobucket.com/albums/yy300/Mike_1894/Land/image_zps60856ac2.jpeg) (https://s801.photobucket.com/user/Mike_1894/media/Land/image_zps60856ac2.jpeg.html)
gaining elevation:
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A look backwards on the way in:
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going on craigslist:
(https://i801.photobucket.com/albums/yy300/Mike_1894/Land/image4_zpsbb4c6601.jpeg) (https://s801.photobucket.com/user/Mike_1894/media/Land/image4_zpsbb4c6601.jpeg.html)
waterfall:
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stream:
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rocks!
(https://i801.photobucket.com/albums/yy300/Mike_1894/Land/image4_zps0b39e5c7.jpeg) (https://s801.photobucket.com/user/Mike_1894/media/Land/image4_zps0b39e5c7.jpeg.html)
cabin sites?:
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Trees, lots of them everywhere:
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Title: Re: something by something in Ohio
Post by: Redoverfarm on March 20, 2014, 06:24:21 PM
Nice looking property.   Lots of possibilities.  If the stream runs this way most of the year maybe a hydro/electric generator for some power.  Is this going to be off grid or is there power nearby?  Didn't see any indication at the trailer.
Title: Re: something by something in Ohio
Post by: Mike 870 on March 20, 2014, 06:40:25 PM
It's going to be an off grid weekend type place.  I'm not sure if that stream runs full time like that, I am guessing that it is more of a watershed fed stream. Every time I have seen it there has been snow melting, or it has rained the day before.  I might be lucky and it could be spring fed.  I'll know later this summer in the dry season.  It would be great for micro hydro if it ran most of the year. 

I posted in my other thread, that the property is 46 acres.  It walks very big because of the topographic features.  It's very private and has great natural buffers on all sides of it, ravines etc.  It also has a nice 7 or 8 acre flat section that is now covered in trees that I'm sure was a pasture back in the pre 1930's.  Lots of rocks icleared off to the sides of it.  Here is a link to the full photobucket album I have about 50 pictures in there.
https://s801.photobucket.com/user/Mike_1894/library/Land
Title: Re: something by something in Ohio
Post by: John Raabe on March 21, 2014, 06:56:29 PM
Nice site with a handsome little stream - hope it's still running in August.
Title: Re: something by something in Ohio
Post by: Adam Roby on March 22, 2014, 08:27:47 AM
Amazing land... keeping with the "camping" theme, rather than hydro with that waterfall I would consider using some of those rocks to improvise a natural bath/shower/jacuzzi type lounge area.  Water might be cold but in the dead of summer it would be a great place to hang out and cool off.
Title: Re: something by something in Ohio
Post by: Mike 870 on March 22, 2014, 09:46:25 AM
Thanks guys,
I have been formulating stage one in my head.  I'm going to refer to it as the 12 by 16 glamping platform.  It will be built at the highest elevation on the property that is still relatively close to the main building site (wherever that will be).  The roof will be used for rainwater collection to a gravity fed water system (unless after further observation I decide to use the stream).  Half of the 12 by 16 platform will be enclosed for bunk beds (8x12). The other will be open air on 2 sides.  The shed style roof will cover the whole thing.  Someday I may build an outdoor stone fireplace on one side of it.  No plans per say, just ideas.  No budget either.  A budget tends to drive decisions that should be made on an aesthetic basis over to a financial basis. (I am a cost estimator by trade) I'd rather just wait and save longer.
Title: Re: something by something in Ohio
Post by: pocono_couple on March 29, 2014, 07:36:30 PM
great looking place property...  i like your idea of waiting and saving.. nothing like sitting on the porch, relaxing, knowing that you own it outright!  ( tends to make the relaxing a little sweeter)   it will be fun to see what you end up doing..  jt
Title: Re: something by something in Ohio
Post by: Mike 870 on March 30, 2014, 04:41:35 PM
I'm dieing to get back down there, but only have about $320 saved so far towards the cabin fund.  So I think I'm just going to go down there and camp out, bring a shovel and start digging a hole for the camping platform.  I have he weekend of the 12th free from spousal servitude, so unless I am offered some sort of paying side job that is the plan.  Probably explore around, bring my bike and hang out with my dog.
Title: Re: something by something in Ohio
Post by: rick91351 on March 30, 2014, 05:03:33 PM
Quote from: Mike 870 on March 30, 2014, 04:41:35 PM
I'm dieing to get back down there, but only have about $320 saved so far towards the cabin fund.  So I think I'm just going to go down there and camp out, bring a shovel and start digging a hole for the camping platform.  I have he weekend of the 12th free from spousal servitude, so unless I am offered some sort of paying side job that is the plan.  Probably explore around, bring my bike and hang out with my dog.


[cool]

That is exactly how you figure out the land.  Just get there and enjoy and get a feel for it.
Title: Re: something by something in Ohio
Post by: Mike 870 on April 23, 2014, 08:39:01 PM
I was down at the land 2 weekends ago.  Didn't really do much except walk it a couple times, camp out and go on a couple bike rides to explore the area.  I covered about 70 miles on bike and have a really good feel for what is around me.  Got lost on some old unmaintained roads, ended up in the middle of a 66,000 acre state forrest,  it was a good time.  Met two neighbors, one is a guy who traces his family back on his land 6 generations, he owns over 1000 acres and surrounds me on 3 sides.  The other neighbor owns the house next to my driveway.  Both seemed nice.  I sold a bunch of bikes and some other stuff and managed to raise enough money to buy an Oliver Super 55 tractor with a loader and a backhoe attachment.  I will post pictures tomorrow assuming the sale goes through.
Title: Re: something by something in Ohio
Post by: Mike 870 on April 26, 2014, 07:21:42 PM
To help with the foundation road and to clean out the openings of some culverts.
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Title: Re: something by something in Ohio
Post by: MountainDon on April 26, 2014, 08:08:10 PM
I guess the sale went through!     :)
Title: Re: something by something in Ohio
Post by: Mike 870 on September 07, 2014, 05:34:36 PM
I've been planning and saving and waiting for the cooler temperatures.  I have 6 weekends between now and December that I'm free to go to my land and get some work done.  I have been doing a bit of work on the tractor.  The person who sold it to me was very dishonest, but I have been enjoying working on it and learning a lot about tractors.  It's not going to be ready for a while so I'm going to hire out some work improving my road.  I am meeting with some contractors this weekend.  I've got some friends coming with me so We're going to get a start digging holes and setting piers.  Not sure If I am going to do the camping platform or just start in on the cabin.  I sketched up these plans.  I did a detailed cost estimate using Menards prices for most things and it came out at just under $30,000 for a no compromise build.  That's all premium materials, fancy windows and doors, etc.  These scan's aren't the best and my drafting skills are rusty. 

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Title: Re: something by something in Ohio
Post by: Mike 870 on September 15, 2014, 02:58:33 PM
Picked a build site that I'm really happy with.  It is on a flat finger of land that is naturally graded to shed water off it and is not susceptible to runoff from upslope.  Got all my holes dug for the piers. The soil is the craziest hard packed clay I've ever seen,  I did some calculations to make sure and I have a wide margin of error.  Figured out the best place for the shooting range.   Also met with 3 different excavators about getting some work done on my road.  It's going to be really nice to have that cleaned up. 

Campsite

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Random picture of trees

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Repeat picture of view from build site

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Title: Re: something by something in Ohio
Post by: Mike 870 on October 22, 2014, 07:06:28 PM
Finished the piers for the foundation.  22 piers in all about 4500 lbs of concrete hand mixed.  They are on footers 2 - 3 feet deep.  The frost depth here is 22 inches.  I used 12 inch tubes on the corners and 8 inch tubes everywhere else.  They are spaced on 4 ft centers.  Not impressed with Menards All Star Concrete Mix or Quickrete's ready to use mix.  Seemed like too much sand and aggregate material.  Did seem that the Quickrete 5000 was good quality though.  Going to mostly pack it in for the winter, save some money and start up in March hopefully. 

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Hired someone to grade and surface my road.  This picture shows the steepest part that will get the most work.  He will use a jackhammer attachment to get some of the bedrock that forced the steepness out and build up the bottom section with fill.  Will also take a slightly different path widening a turn to decrease the grade.  I'm also getting another culvert put in. 

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Title: Re: something by something in Ohio
Post by: Mike 870 on January 06, 2015, 08:48:50 AM
Not much is new,  I have mostly been camping, saving money and riding my bike from this new location that provides miles and of low traffic scenic roads to explore.  I have some pictures of dirt for you though.  This is the initial cut of my road.  Final grading, drainage, culverts and topping with crushed stone still to come.  The road slopes in towards the side of the hill for safety reasons.  The water runs down the inside to a still to be placed culvert that will take it under the road to the stream.   If you look at the prior post you can see the before after of the steepest part.  He took about 4 feet off the top and probably built it up 4 or 5 feet at the bottom.  I was already able to drive my truck up when it was dry, so I think once everything is done it will be quite manageable.  Still working on my tractor that I can use for scraping/repars and tweaking things down the road.  All in all the excavator did a lot more than I expected of him so far.  He crowned up some areas I didn't think he would touch, added some fill to areas where the stream was getting close to the road and re-directed etc.  It's been sitting for a couple months now, and things seem to just go at their own pace.  I don't mind it sitting because it will give me some time to make sure the water is flowing where and how we think it should.  I wont be down there until March April so there isn't much of a rush for me to need to pay him the final portion once the job is done.   These pictures are in reverse order from the cabin site out to the road.

This is about where I am standing in the earlier post looking down the hill:

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Around the bend of the steepest part:

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Looking back up at that part:

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Looking down the rest of the way from the bend to the flat part:

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From the bottom looking up:

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Looking back towards the hill from the valley bottom, me for scale:

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Flat part heading out to the road.  All in all this is about 1/3 a mile:

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Title: Re: something by something in Ohio
Post by: Redoverfarm on January 06, 2015, 09:32:37 AM
Mike I think I would put some of that rock lying on top of the berms from the cuts to good use at the road edge where the stream is close at the bottom.  Although the stream may be somewhat dormant the majority of the time it is those occasional rises in the stream that causes serious erosion.  Ever figure what degree grade you are looking at?
Title: Re: something by something in Ohio
Post by: Mike 870 on January 06, 2015, 10:44:33 AM
I will ask him to do that.  That is where one of the culvert will carry water under the road, so he may be planning that.  That is also where a gully from the side hill spits out into the stream so that culvert will have double duty.  He suggested I stake rebar into the ground uphill and keep a close eye for sticks, because it only takes one to jam up a culvert.  I am planning on a 24 inch culvert there.  It used to be a 20 inch.  Plenty of time to go bigger if I want to pay for it.  Road guy thought 24 was appropriate size.  Previous owners didn't do much of anything except high grade for timber every time they needed $$.
Title: Re: something by something in Ohio
Post by: dablack on January 06, 2015, 10:54:13 AM
To get a road to last, you don't want ANY water to cross it.  On the hill side of the road, that means a good ditch and then you have to keep it clear.  Try to be there when it rains once so you can see how it is acting.  One little trickle crossing the road will turn into a ditch crossing the road, in short order!

With that said, I think it looks great.  I live in a hilly area too and I love the way it looks. 

Austin
Title: Re: something by something in Ohio
Post by: Mike 870 on January 06, 2015, 12:34:28 PM
Hi Austin, glad you like it.  I love the fact that my land is hilly.  You pay for it in some ways but I think it is just prettier and more interesting for my purposes.  In other ways you don't since there is no real agricultural use I don't have to pay that premium.  Plus, once I start cutting some mountain bike trails it will make things pretty fun. 

If water ends up going over the road it will certainly not be by design.  Either the system is overwhelmed with a deluge or I have neglected maintenance.  Hopefully neither happens.  I have witnessed a couple rainstorms and so far things seem to act the way they should.  Water is flowing how you think it would.  I think the question now is how low maintenance can we make it with a smart design.  Hopefully can save myself some headache and expense down the road. 
Title: Re: something by something in Ohio
Post by: MichaelOwen on March 06, 2015, 12:50:01 PM
Hi Mike, where at in Ohio are you?  I'm in SE Ohio and looking to build starting soon, when the winter ends.  My design is 32 x 24 and going with a shed style roof - are you doing shed style?  Looking forward to seeing any progress.
Title: Re: something by something in Ohio
Post by: Mike 870 on November 23, 2015, 12:36:06 PM
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Cleared out some deadfall and cedars to make a better shooting range and started building an outhouse.  Also split the tractor.  I found a new rear end for it.  Hopefully have it running in a couple months.

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Title: Re: something by something in Ohio
Post by: Don_P on November 23, 2015, 09:41:47 PM
Wow, serious bad news on the tractor.
It looks like a lot of cedar and red maple? They both make nice interior finish. Actually the cedar goes either way. If you see any of the maples "sweating" profusely in spring that tree will contain some really cool ambrosia maple. The healing harvests now are to take the worst first... some neat twisted stuff taking up sunlight, cool braces and truss struts.

Our driveway is around 30%, or 30' of rise per 100 horizontal feet, or a 10' 2x4 held on the ground at one end will be 3' off the ground at the other. Just different ways of measuring grade.
Title: Re: something by something in Ohio
Post by: CabinNick on November 23, 2015, 10:58:06 PM
Looks like a great piece of land.  Your forest looks like it has potential to produce some nice trees as well.  Good luck with your build - looking forward to following your posts. 
Title: Re: something by something in Ohio
Post by: Mike 870 on November 24, 2015, 08:58:36 AM
Yes there are quite a few cedars and maples.  There are a lot of other species as well, it's bet diverse.  I also have a grove of paw paw, some ginseng and a lot of yellowroot.  The cedars aren't a high percentage of the property, but we tend to hang out in that area the most because that is where the road ends and it is a nice clearing near the cabin site.  My property is unique in that it has what are called cedar barrens, pretty rare in Ohio and home to some very rare flora/fauna.  A botanist friend suggested I clear out most of the cedar to encourage the prairie plant species.  So if anyone needs cedar or fence posts let me know.

The tractor project is moving along, I found a new used rear end near me so I am buying it and bolting it back on.  Its a bummer but I am learning a lot and still much cheaper than buying a new 30HP tractor loader backhoe.

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Title: Re: something by something in Ohio
Post by: Mike 870 on October 08, 2016, 08:15:52 AM
Hi Folks, not much new here.  I have been camping and playing around on my land without much motivation to continue building.  I've been busy with other things.  I rehabbed a house, and moved into it mortgage free.  I'm now part time at my day job and will have more time to dedicate to this project.  Also did some traveling. 

With a renewed sense of interest and a bit of money to work with I ordered a 300 gallon tank to bury under my foundation.  I plan to build a small skirted and insulated section to hopefully avoid some of the freezing issues that come along with pier foundations.  I bought a 35 gallon tank for my truck bed, and my plan is to just tote water each trip.  Our camper has a 15 gallon tank which lasts us a weekend if we conserve, so hopefully the 35 will allow us to get ahead of the game and eventually get it full.

Lastly the first excavator I hired did a good job building me a solid base for my road with river stone from my creek, but I could not get him back out to place culverts, do some gravel and final grading.  So I hired someone else with good results.  Had 3 30 inch culverts installed and some crushed stone from my hill up to my cabin site.  It really helped smooth out the hill.  The excavator did a lot more ditching and grading than I thought he would so between that and the culverts I hope my road is better constructed for the long run.


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Title: Re: something by something in Ohio
Post by: Redoverfarm on October 08, 2016, 08:53:21 AM
Mike might I make a suggestion.  On the exit end of your culverts you need to place some large stones at the edge and extend them a few feet.  Depending on the amount of water exiting the pipe it will undermine the edge of your road.  If the entrance end is exposed to a lot of water you might want to consider it as well.  This is what I did on the inlet side.  Similar on the exit but laid base stones for the water to cascade off of.

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Title: Re: something by something in Ohio
Post by: Mike 870 on October 08, 2016, 10:32:44 AM
Yea, I think I will do that next weekend.  I had an interesting conversation about the culverts.  The guy I hired said 24 inches should be plenty big, but he also said this year has not been normal in that we have these crazy storms where we get 3 inches in a half hour.  So I said go with 30 inches.  These culverts are handleing purely watershed for my little holler.

  I'll be there Friday through Monday,  I'm hopeing to get a lot done.  I' renting a little kubota bx25D to bury my tank, but I also want to tweak a couple areas of the ditches where Im not 100 % confident the grade will keep water off the road. 
Title: Re: something by something in Ohio
Post by: Redoverfarm on October 08, 2016, 10:56:11 AM
Quote from: Mike 870 on October 08, 2016, 10:32:44 AM
Yea, I think I will do that next weekend.  I had an interesting conversation about the culverts. The guy I hired said 24 inches should be plenty big, but he also said this year has not been normal in that we have these crazy storms where we get 3 inches in a half hour.  So I said go with 30 inches. These culverts are handleing purely watershed for my little holler.

  I'll be there Friday through Monday,  I'm hopeing to get a lot done.  I' renting a little kubota bx25D to bury my tank, but I also want to tweak a couple areas of the ditches where Im not 100 % confident the grade will keep water off the road.

A lot depends on the location and distance between them.  If they are frequent then 24" would be fine.  But if they are spread out then yes 30" would be better. Most people just opt for 12" and end up continuously cleaning them out.  But again if they are frequent enough they are fine.

This is sort of forgotten when installing pipe.  Water has a lot of force, more than imagined sometimes.  I have seen water undermine the soil adjacent to the pipe then without that supporting soil it allows the soil above to slide away and before long the edge of the road is taken as well. 

Here is a prime example.  This is a Forrest Service road leading to my cabin.  I have documented it and sent it to them in hopes of having it repaired.  If they allow it to persist I am sure it will eventually take the main traveled portion away. 

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Title: Re: something by something in Ohio
Post by: Mike 870 on October 08, 2016, 01:20:34 PM
That looks like only a matter of time.  I have 5 culverts over about 800 feet of road.   Two 18 inch ones that see significantly less water and the 3 30 inch ones I just put in.  Of these 3 new ones, none of the existing 24 inch culverts that I replaced were functioning.  They were jammed up and water just flowed over the road so this should be a big improvement.  The two 18 inch ones seem fine.  One is after a swampy area so it just handles seepage and the other is a similar situatiin draining a flatter area of my neighbors lawn.
Title: Re: something by something in Ohio
Post by: Redoverfarm on October 08, 2016, 01:38:59 PM
Yes it is.  The USFS has a right of way on both sides of the road.  It just so happens that the bank side is mine.  Knowing how they sometimes operate they will let it continue and at a later time decide it would be easier just to widen what they have which would be taking my land to do so.  At least I might have a little leg  ;D to stand on for not going that route now that I brought it to their attention before it gets to that point.
Title: Re: something by something in Ohio
Post by: Mike 870 on October 08, 2016, 01:49:59 PM
If you dont get any results, send them the documentation again with CCs to every single person on the chain of command up as high as you can figure out who to send it to.  Then just remember they will act at the speed of government.  My building on WPAFB had a shattered skylight for about 3 years before it was fixed.  It was safety glass so it wasn't leaking but still.  Then one time someone crashed into one of the gates, took 6 months to get fixed.  Our parking lot had a hole the size of two cars due to erosion.  The solution was to cone it off for about 4 months until they could get to it.
Title: Re: something by something in Ohio
Post by: Mike 870 on October 19, 2016, 09:04:06 AM
(https://i801.photobucket.com/albums/yy300/Mike_1894/Mobile%20Uploads/20161015_172342_zpsftzwrvbm.jpg) (https://s801.photobucket.com/user/Mike_1894/media/Mobile%20Uploads/20161015_172342_zpsftzwrvbm.jpg.html)

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Had a nice trip this weekend.  Was able to get my camper and a big trailer with a tractor up my road easily.  Also able to get some 2wd non trucks up the hill.  However, new rule going in place, only 4wd allowed up the hill from here on out and even then only if you know how to drive.  Only project for the weekend was to bury the 300 gallon cistern and do some loader and grading work with the BX25D rental.  We got a nice 4.5 ft hole dug then hand backfilled it with only fine clay soil.  Its all clay, even the things that look like rocks are chunks of clay.  Also took a picture of our camping rig a 2012 Casita Spirit Delux.  That little thing is awesome, one of the best purchases we've ever made.
Title: Re: something by something in Ohio
Post by: Colorado Eric on November 01, 2016, 04:41:03 PM
Can't wait to see where this is headed, love the land it looks gorgeous!
Title: Re: something by something in Ohio
Post by: NathanS on November 01, 2016, 05:39:19 PM
Those Casita's are a fantastic trailer. For that compact size I think they are the best out there. The molded fiberglass will last a lifetime and they really aren't very expensive. I'd like to trade our bigger trailer for one of those at some point.

Looking forward to your progress.
Title: Re: something by something in Ohio
Post by: Mike 870 on November 02, 2016, 07:56:18 AM
Thanks for your comments guys.  Can't say enough good things about the Casita.  It's dry weight is 2'480 lbs, so easy to tow.  Easy to manuever in campsites, heck I've swung U turns on 2 lane roads with it.  It's really well designed and finely finished on the inside.  I think you can buy my model new, loaded, for about $22,000 with tax and some delivery mileage.

Using the Casita electrical/propane (and water) system has also helped me realize I need a much smaller PV system than I originally thought.  I'm making the mechanical systems of the cabin like a stationary RV.

12 volt 220 amp hour battery will be more than double what I have now, with the added bonus of 450 watts of panels.  We can boondock around 2.5 day on our 95 amp hour battery in the casita.  Water pumping and .3 amp draw on the propane fridge when running are the big draws.  Other than that its led lights and fan-tastic fan.  Occasional use items are also furnace blower, which we wont have in the cabin, and the range hood exhaust.

I'm heading down Friday for the weekend to build the beams that will carry the floor and porch joists.
Title: Re: something by something in Ohio
Post by: NathanS on November 02, 2016, 04:44:26 PM
We traveled around the country for about 7 months in our trailer. Our solar system was 2 golf cart batteries (about 210 amp @ 12v .. so like 105 amp safely usable), similar to yours. On top the trailer we had 2x 100w panels. If it was sunny out, it would charge the batteries full by lunch time.. if it was cloudy they basically didn't work. Washington state gave us trouble. Even when it was sunny it seemed like solar didn't work as good there.

That 2500lb dry weight is such a huge deal that people don't realize. You can tow that thing with a regular sized car or SUV, whereas my 4000 dry weight really needs a half ton pickup. Full size trucks are expensive to buy, maintain and repair..

Anyway have fun this weekend.
Title: Re: something by something in Ohio
Post by: astidham on November 02, 2016, 08:11:20 PM
Mike, your property is beautiful!
I can't wait to see what you do with it.....
I buried a above ground tank last year,  which is against the manufacturers suggestions,  but it has worked just fine so far. It's a 550 gallon. And much cheaper then the actual underground models. However in oklahoma, it don't get as cold as your neck of the woods.
Our cabin is also a post and beam,  but 20x30. We made the mistake of not putting in a center beam when it was open and accessible. I'm glad you have had plenty of planning time to build it right the first time.
I really look forward to seeing the build...
Todd
Title: Re: something by something in Ohio
Post by: Mike 870 on November 06, 2016, 02:48:13 PM
(https://i801.photobucket.com/albums/yy300/Mike_1894/Mobile%20Uploads/20161105_181856_zpsq4zc0fif.jpg) (https://s801.photobucket.com/user/Mike_1894/media/Mobile%20Uploads/20161105_181856_zpsq4zc0fif.jpg.html)
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Got quite a bit done in a quick trip this weekend.  Had some unexpected issues pop up.  When we were setting posts we were using a laser level to mark and cut the sonotubes.  It was too light to really see the level so we marked all the tubes at dusk and poured the next day.  I think as we vibrated the concrete we settle some more than we wanted.  So some of the piers are about an inch low.  I had cedar shingles on hand for a temp solution.  Not sure what is the best long term fix. But anyway got it all level and square for the beams that will carry the floor joists.  I ended up using tripple PT 2x10s for each beam.  Was going to use two, but some of my seams didnt fall on a pier so I added a 3rd.

Took a side trip to the local Amish furnature, baked goods etc complex.  Business is quite good:

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Title: Re: something by something in Ohio
Post by: Mike 870 on November 12, 2016, 03:54:06 PM
Had a productive vetrans day.  Got the rest of my beams set, the floor deck built and the deck partially done.  Picture is a bit distorted
(https://i801.photobucket.com/albums/yy300/Mike_1894/Mobile%20Uploads/7897_zpsokxkaime.jpeg) (https://s801.photobucket.com/user/Mike_1894/media/Mobile%20Uploads/7897_zpsokxkaime.jpeg.html)

(https://i801.photobucket.com/albums/yy300/Mike_1894/Mobile%20Uploads/20161111_143026_zpsmlmsvptm.jpg) (https://s801.photobucket.com/user/Mike_1894/media/Mobile%20Uploads/20161111_143026_zpsmlmsvptm.jpg.html)
Also tested out my campers new solar setup.  A Kyocera 150 watt panel, morningstar prostar 30 pwm controller, midnight baby box and breakers and some mc4 plus some 10-3 I had lying around.  I think I will install the permanant setup in a military style pelican case with quick connectors to attach to the battery and panel.  Was getting close to 6 amps at 8:30 am.

(https://i801.photobucket.com/albums/yy300/Mike_1894/Mobile%20Uploads/IMG_20161112_084215_zpsjwvpww5z.jpg) (https://s801.photobucket.com/user/Mike_1894/media/Mobile%20Uploads/IMG_20161112_084215_zpsjwvpww5z.jpg.html)

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Title: Re: something by something in Ohio
Post by: Mike 870 on November 18, 2016, 08:20:16 AM
Did a day trip yesterday.  Out the door before 6:30 and working by 8:30.  Spent my time framing the floor joists for the little 8x10 bedroom, adding blocking and plumbing the water tank filling outlet.  Used a bulkhead fitting connected to a threaded cleanout fitting at he other end so I can back my truck up and easily empty my 35 gallon truck bed tank into my 300 gal buried tank.  I made some holes in the bottom of my 3/4 pex line that will pull water from the tank by means of an RV pump.  I forgot that bulkhead fitting so I didnt install it.  I ended up not bringing enough materials to keep me busy for thewhole trip, so I cleaned up the build site, took some picturesand left at 3:00 pm.

(https://i801.photobucket.com/albums/yy300/Mike_1894/20161117_124543_zpsshf4iaf5.jpg) (https://s801.photobucket.com/user/Mike_1894/media/20161117_124543_zpsshf4iaf5.jpg.html)

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Title: Re: something by something in Ohio
Post by: Mike 870 on December 01, 2016, 03:14:06 PM
I had originally planned a day trip to build today, but I'm kinda sick, the credit card bill is a bit high this month, and the weather is crappy.  So I decided to make make my water pump connections and mount them to some wood so I don't have to do all these connections crawling in the dirt.   In the future, If I ever need to work on my pump or change it out, I will leave enough slack so I can pull this whole assembly out from under the crawl space.  I designed the whole thing to function as a drain back system.  In the bottom left of the picture u see a pex elbow connected to a 3 way valve with hose drain.  This end will go right into the tank off the elbow.  The 3 way drain will allow me to suck RV anti freeze into the pump via a hose/bucket.  Next is some 65 psi rated rubber hose.  Shurflow reccomends this to cut down on vibration noise.  Next in line is a sediment filter then the pump.  The pump is a 3 gpm 12 volt revolution model from shurflow.  It has a cutout setpoint at 55 psi. It has backflow prevention so It maintains pressure.  It can pull 6 feet of head, and is the same pump my offgrid neighbor uses.  After the pump there is more rubber hose, then 2 ball valves before and after a hose bib.  This will allow me to drainback the lines, blow out the lines, and also divert the anti freeze after the pump if I decide not to put anti freeze in the whole system.  That was long winded, let me know if you have any questions. 
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Title: Re: 20 x 20 w bedroom in Ohio
Post by: Mike 870 on September 06, 2017, 08:34:23 AM
Made my first trip to the property since last fall.  I always intend to visit more often but things just kind of happen.  Ended up building a deck, rehabbing one half of one of my rentals, painting my house and buying another property that we did some work on and turned into an Airbnb.  Things are finally starting to slow down. 

This next trip I'm renting a small mini excavator to work on some ditching.  The hilly section of my road held up pretty well over a year with a lot of rain.  With some minor tweaks I can make it even better.  I'm having #4 stone put down on the flat part of my road in a couple weeks.  The culverts are working perfectly.  Very happy I went with 30 inches, best decision I've made in a while.

My other goal is to box in and insulate a 8 by 12 section of the crawlspace and run all my water and gas lines before putting down the decking. 
Title: Re: 20 x 20 w bedroom in Ohio
Post by: Mike 870 on September 21, 2017, 01:11:24 PM

Got the crawl space insulated, the floor decked and the walls framed.  My HH6s didn't arrive on time, so no headers are in.  Rented a mini excavator and did some drainage ditching as wel.

(http://i.imgur.com/etf86e4.jpg)
Title: Re: 20 x 20 w bedroom in Ohio
Post by: Mike 870 on September 28, 2017, 06:48:21 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OdD7RWK51_U&feature=share

In lieu of losing all the photobucket images, here's a slideshow of most of our progress to date.
Title: Re: 20 x 20 w bedroom in Ohio
Post by: dablack on September 29, 2017, 07:44:11 AM
I would love to see a slideshow but I see nothin'
Title: Re: 20 x 20 w bedroom in Ohio
Post by: UK4X4 on September 29, 2017, 09:27:24 AM
works for me ! love the waterfall !
Title: Re: 20 x 20 w bedroom in Ohio
Post by: Mike 870 on September 29, 2017, 09:01:06 PM
I'm not sure what is going on dablack, I don't see the slideshow on my work computer, but I see it fine at home.  Is your browser up to date?

Thanks UK, it was definately a selling point for us. 
Title: Re: 20 x 20 w bedroom in Ohio
Post by: Mike 870 on October 01, 2017, 08:25:24 PM
Had about 60 tons of stone spread on my road this fall.  Bit smoother than the creek stone base now.  Friends are easily able to get 2wd drive cars to the base of my hill.  Added a small parking area that can fit 2 cars and leave room for people to get by.

(http://i.imgur.com/qW6fU6F.jpg) (http://imgur.com/qW6fU6F)
(http://i.imgur.com/WiiHcvZ.jpg) (http://imgur.com/WiiHcvZ)

Hauled the 14 foot 4x10 Ash loft beams up the hill and got them set.  That was a chore.

(http://i.imgur.com/RghEdii.jpg) (http://imgur.com/RghEdii)
(http://i.imgur.com/qNOX4G5.jpg) (http://imgur.com/qNOX4G5)

Set the rest of the headers in with the HH6's then worked on plumbing a bit.  The whole thing is drain back so I can easily winterize it.  I also have valves so I can fill my pump with RV antifreeze and purge it in spring without it entering the rest of the house.

(http://i.imgur.com/coUn1aU.jpg) (http://imgur.com/coUn1aU)
(http://i.imgur.com/0WTRZwB.jpg) (http://imgur.com/0WTRZwB)

Had some good helpers
(http://i.imgur.com/G6nqg2B.jpg) (http://imgur.com/G6nqg2B)

The state of things now

(http://i.imgur.com/Z2mOgwR.jpg) (http://imgur.com/Z2mOgwR)





Title: Re: 20 x 20 w bedroom in Ohio
Post by: w1ck3tt on October 02, 2017, 09:15:29 AM
Looks good!  I found your Photobucket link and tried to view the other photos, but man, Photo Bucket has really ruined themselves!  I couldn't even scroll to see them all.  I didn't notice it in the posts, but where abouts in Ohio are you building? 
Title: Re: 20 x 20 w bedroom in Ohio
Post by: Mike 870 on October 02, 2017, 09:49:55 AM
  Looks much more like West Virginia or Kentucky where I am.
Title: Re: 20 x 20 w bedroom in Ohio
Post by: dablack on October 03, 2017, 08:10:03 AM
Looks like you are having fun and the driveway looks great!  Are three of those beams above a window?  I'm a belt and suspenders kind of guy when it come to building and for the beams that aren't above a window, I could put another stud (jack stud) that runs from the bottom of the beam down to the bottom plate. 

Again, nice pictures and it looks like a beautiful place. 

Austin
Title: Re: 20 x 20 w bedroom in Ohio
Post by: w1ck3tt on October 03, 2017, 11:19:50 AM
Quote from: Mike 870 on October 02, 2017, 09:49:55 AM
I'm in the South/East Appalachian part of the state.  Looks much more like West Virginia or Kentucky where I am.

Ah - what a beautiful area, hadn't been down in that region in probly 20 years, used to camp down by Old Mans Cave, and I think there was a campground (was a free one) called Ohio Power?  We are up by Mohican (Loudenville/Mansfield/Wooster - Amish Country!)

Title: Re: 20 x 20 w bedroom in Ohio
Post by: Mike 870 on October 03, 2017, 12:25:59 PM
Ahh, I used to do the Mohican 100 mountain bike race every year.  Beautiful area.  I considered it when I was looking at land but the shale boom was pushing prices that were already much higher than other rural areas through the roof. 

Title: Re: 20 x 20 w bedroom in Ohio
Post by: Mike 870 on October 19, 2017, 12:43:08 PM
I had another productive work weekend this past weekend.  First thing I did when I got there after unloading was to stain the deck.  I didn't really wan't to do this but I knew if I put it off I'd never get it done.  Plus the cedar had been sitting outside for a year so it was ready and really took the stain well.
(http://i.imgur.com/2X7vgET.jpg) (http://imgur.com/2X7vgET)
I bought 31 sheets of OSB, and it looks like it's going to be about the right amount, we got down to sheathing and got just about everything we could do done.  I can't do the top bit yet.  My rafters are at a timber framers barn getting cut and he is making the span between the birds mouth 14 feet.
(http://i.imgur.com/k5a5iah.jpg) (http://imgur.com/k5a5iah)
The front door I framed to be 3-6 wide and one size larger than standard height.  It will be a Marvin wood ultrex French door so it should let in a lot of good light.  The SYP span tables don't go down to my building width or 20psf snow load, so I used the next size up which called for a single 2x6.  It didn't feel right so I doubled them up for the rest of my window and doors.
(http://i.imgur.com/Ki7juxA.jpg) (http://imgur.com/Ki7juxA)
This window is where there will be a built in dining nook.
(http://i.imgur.com/XiUifr3.jpg) (http://imgur.com/XiUifr3)
Back door
(http://i.imgur.com/IoVdSGR.jpg) (http://imgur.com/IoVdSGR)
From the main area looking into the bedroom
(http://i.imgur.com/a1lNEYl.jpg) (http://imgur.com/a1lNEYl)
View from the loft, may have to frame in a dormer to take advantage of that!
(http://i.imgur.com/CTRrGcG.jpg) (http://imgur.com/CTRrGcG)
As things stand now.
(http://i.imgur.com/kCjrMYA.jpg) (http://imgur.com/kCjrMYA)
Me pup is always willing to help out with the dishes.  (She's 14 years old and still acts like a pup)




Title: Re: 20 x 20 w bedroom in Ohio
Post by: ChugiakTinkerer on October 19, 2017, 03:31:35 PM
I'm regretting not putting a dormer in the loft of the 12x16 cabin that is currently in progress.  The view when standing up there is just too nice.  If your loft is intended for daily use, you really ought to consider that dormer.

Looks great by the way, thanks for posting the pics.
Title: Re: 20 x 20 w bedroom in Ohio
Post by: Don_P on October 20, 2017, 06:23:19 AM
LOL, I can't count the number of times I've sat on the ridge and thought "we really need to build a tower up to here".
Title: Re: 20 x 20 w bedroom in Ohio
Post by: Mike 870 on October 20, 2017, 08:13:03 AM
Yea, I'm pretty well convinced.  The rafters are on 4 ft centers so I can fit a decent sized one right in between, shouldn't be too much effort as long as I am organized enough to put the siding on before the former roof.  Probably a simple shed dormer would look nice and add some visual interest from the outside.
Title: Re: 20 x 20 w bedroom in Ohio
Post by: MountainDon on October 20, 2017, 08:41:16 AM
Quote from: Mike 870 on October 20, 2017, 08:13:03 AM
Yea, I'm pretty well convinced.  The rafters are on 4 ft centers so I can fit a decent sized one right in between, shouldn't be too much effort as long as I am organized enough to put the siding on before the former roof.  Probably a simple shed dormer would look nice and add some visual interest from the outside.


Yes. I remember thinking how nice it would have been to build a lookout tower like a castleor something when I was on the cabin roof.   Dave Sparks had the right idea when he built their place in California. The main floor is workshop, garage, etc. The living quarters are upstairs where they have a nice view.
Title: Re: 20 x 20 w bedroom in Ohio
Post by: dablack on October 21, 2017, 07:42:06 AM
I avoided dormers and any other roof penetration but if I was to do one, I would make it shed roof and give it a good over hang on the sides and front.  Make sure you get your drainage plain right!  For some reason really good builders get confused when it comes to dormers.  Those sides are tiny little walls and you need to treat them that way.  I really like some of the European eyebrow dormers where there is no side wall to the dormer and the roof just arches over them.  If I was doing slate tile or shingles, I would do that!  I always use a metal roof so it doesn't really work for me. 

Austin
Title: Re: 20 x 20 w bedroom in Ohio
Post by: Mike 870 on October 24, 2017, 07:20:35 PM
Even though it will mean less than 6 ft headroom at the end of the dormer I'm going to follow the design principles outlined in this FHB article.  http://www.finehomebuilding.com/2015/03/04/making-shed-dormers-work
Title: Re: 20 x 20 w bedroom in Ohio
Post by: dmanley on October 25, 2017, 03:44:21 PM
Am I missing something? I don't see any jackstuds.  Also, the headers over the windows seem small to me.
Title: Re: 20 x 20 w bedroom in Ohio
Post by: Mike 870 on October 26, 2017, 07:13:37 AM
Nope you're not missing anything, there are no jack studs.  I used Simpson header hangers instead.  The headers are sized (oversized actually) based on my building width, stories, and snow load per the Southern Pine span tables. 
Title: Re: 20 x 20 w bedroom in Ohio
Post by: dmanley on October 26, 2017, 06:21:04 PM
Interesting.  I have never seen that done before.  Good looking build.
Title: Re: 20 x 20 w bedroom in Ohio
Post by: azgreg on October 26, 2017, 07:17:14 PM
Quote from: dmanley on October 26, 2017, 06:21:04 PM
Interesting.  I have never seen that done before.  Good looking build.
I believe it's one of the tenants of advanced framing.

https://buildingscience.com/documents/insights/bsi-030-advanced-framing

http://www.greenbuildingadvisor.com/blogs/dept/musings/pros-and-cons-advanced-framing
Title: Re: 20 x 20 w bedroom in Ohio
Post by: Mike 870 on October 27, 2017, 04:36:21 PM
Yes, you got it azgreg, that's what I'm doing for this build with a couple small exceptions.
Title: Re: 20 x 20 w bedroom in Ohio
Post by: Mike 870 on November 18, 2017, 08:34:53 AM
Sorry, huge image dump, using imagur, and wow it's almost as bad as photbucket from a usability standpoint.  Here is a tip, if you have the app, just remove it and use the desktop version.  Made a bit of progress with the timber frame roof, got everything moved into the cabin and assembled the bedroom and the utility bumpout.  I will make the proviso, there are a couple framing pieces missing especially over windows and doors.I ran out of HH 6s and also 2x 6s. Heading out tomorrow to assemble the biggest rafters over the main room. 
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Title: Re: 20 x 20 w bedroom in Ohio
Post by: Mike 870 on November 18, 2017, 09:35:36 AM
So in the bedroom, the middle rafters have a tie and the end rafters will be prevented from splitting by the sheathing, but in the main area I will need some sort of strapping or hardware to prevent the rafters from slipping off the top plate.  There will be 6 total rafters, one has a rafter tie, two will be on the ends of the structure, but 3 will need to be prevented from slipping off the top plate.  Any suggestions?
Title: Re: 20 x 20 w bedroom in Ohio
Post by: Mike 870 on November 19, 2017, 06:08:46 PM
Got the rest of the rafters up today.  Went up really easy, built a temporary 2nd floor then just assembled and pegged them laying down and leaned em up.

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Title: Re: 20 x 20 w bedroom in Ohio
Post by: Mike 870 on November 27, 2017, 09:31:14 PM
I took a day trip today. All I got done was to add the studs in the second story gable ends.  It took forever because I offset the rafters on the ends so they would be 3/4 inch proud on the inside.  Which leaves them around 2 and 1/2 inches off the end of the building.  So I had to notch all the studs out, what a pain.  I'm contemplating adding another rafter tie in the main room.  Right now there is 8 feet without a tie.

My 14 year old Lab always keeps me company on these trips, but she is getting either dimentia or brain tumors, so now traveling stresses her out too much so she had to stay home.  It's really tearing me up she's my best buddy in the world and it feels wrong leaving her home because she likes it there so much.

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Title: Re: 20 x 20 w bedroom in Ohio
Post by: pmichelsen on December 01, 2017, 10:34:38 AM
Quote from: Mike 870 on November 27, 2017, 09:31:14 PMMy 14 year old Lab always keeps me company on these trips, but she is getting either dementia or brain tumors, so now traveling stresses her out too much so she had to stay home.  It's really tearing me up she's my best buddy in the world and it feels wrong leaving her home because she likes it there so much.

Sorry to hear about your pup, we've only had ours for a couple years, but I would be a wreck if something were to happen to her.
Title: Re: 20 x 20 w bedroom in Ohio
Post by: Mike 870 on December 03, 2017, 08:34:16 AM
Thanks for the kind words pm, enjoy your time with yours and treat him/her well.  I did another day trip yesterday.  Began installing various widths of #3 pine.  Got the cheapest stuff I could from menards with zero sorting.  Thankfully that's ok with the kind of look we are going for.  Mixing it up between 8 10 and 12 inch widths.  I like the look of the lighter pine against the rough sawn ash.
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Title: Re: 20 x 20 w bedroom in Ohio
Post by: NathanS on December 03, 2017, 09:32:07 AM
Looks really good. I almost commented earlier on how clear your rafters look, didn't realize it was Ash.

Are you going to lay foam on top of the sheathing? I found a really good deal on used polyiso insulation off a school roof, you might be able to find some good deals on craigslist.

In the cathedral area where you don't have any rafter ties it probably wouldn't look bad at all if you just ran two timber joists across to shore everything up.
Title: Re: 20 x 20 w bedroom in Ohio
Post by: Mike 870 on December 03, 2017, 09:59:56 AM
Thanks, we have loads of Ash available because of the Emrald Ash Borer, I can get it milled any way I want for $1 bf so I'm using it any way I can.  Yes I am going to lay foam on top and then add strapping or sheathing on top of that.  The big question is how much to add, it's pretty pricey and I need around 700 sq ft of coverage. 

There is one " kind of" rafter tie across the cathedral area.  It's closer to the middle of the rafter than it is the bottom 1/3.  It's pretty strong, still being 3 inches thick where the tie connects to the rafter.  The cathedral area is 12 feet long, and the tie is at 4 feet over from the loft then it is 8 more feet to the gable end.  If it were 2x pine I'd add another tie in a heartbeat.  Being hardwood I'm waiverig a bit and more inclined to add it just because I don't like the dissymetry of going 4 to 8 ft of open ceiling.
Title: Re: 20 x 20 w bedroom in Ohio
Post by: NathanS on December 03, 2017, 01:46:07 PM
That bug is just now getting to our area, not good.

We found 2.75" foam for $10 a sheet, if you keep your eye out maybe something will come up. The guy that sold it was a commercial roofer, does 1 or 2 school roofs a year and sells all the old stuff they pull off. It was in really good shape.

Another expense is the screws, I think we spent like $500 on just the structural screws.

Also how you fur it out dictate what type of metal you can use. I know our standing seam panels had to sit directly on sheathing vs the corrugated panels can sit on furring.

Title: Re: 20 x 20 w bedroom in Ohio
Post by: Mike 870 on December 03, 2017, 02:13:16 PM
How many inches of insulation did you go with?  My thinking is, I'm much more likely to get an R40 ceiling performing at R40 with foam.  Whereas someone with bats or blown in cellulose might get R60 performing at R 40 or so fourth.  Didn't know some forms of metal needed sheathing, thanks for the heads up.  I used structural GRK screws as a first method of attaching my rafters to my top plate.  They are pricey indeed!
Title: Re: 20 x 20 w bedroom in Ohio
Post by: Don_P on December 03, 2017, 05:00:00 PM
Wrap and strap performs better than sprayed in between framing, I've run 5-6 inches mostly in the last decades. When Dad first started foil faced polyiso over solid roof decking in the early 70's we were putting 2" foam down over 2.25" thick wood roof T&G.
When it is dried in one of the deck cleaners with oxalic acid in it would wake that ash back up.
Half dovetail on the tie, nice  :)
Title: Re: 20 x 20 w bedroom in Ohio
Post by: NathanS on December 03, 2017, 06:39:30 PM
We are in a regular 2 story with flat attic. We did R-23 in the walls, 2.75" on the outside - about R-15 to R-18 and R-60 in the attic. I had kept an eye on craigslist for a few months when a commercial roofer started listing the polyiso for $10 a sheet. If you keep an eye out you might find a really good deal, there are also some online retailers that sell used material that may be worth looking at.

I think if you put 5-6 inches on top you could get by with a pretty small wood stove.

The wood framing really does kill batt insulation. From memory, a 2x6 wall with R-19 batts performs at around R-10 to 13 depending on 16" vs 24", headers and all that.

The negative of thick foam - probably not as much so on the roof, but still needs careful planning, is that you have to hide it with a lot of smart flashing and trim work. It was a ton of extra work for siding, I'll tell you that...
Title: Re: 20 x 20 w bedroom in Ohio
Post by: Mike 870 on December 03, 2017, 07:13:55 PM
Don are you needing venting over that amount of foam on the roof?  I am in zone 4 for heading/cooling.  I've been led to believe it's not needed with that thickness but I don't want to make a mistake.  I'll look into oxalic acid.  Thanks for the compliment on the ties.

Nathan I'm not looking forward to all the extra work the foam will cause.  I am going to put 1.5 inches outside my walls as well.
Title: Re: 20 x 20 w bedroom in Ohio
Post by: Don_P on December 03, 2017, 08:47:18 PM
I've used unvented 6" SIPS on a roof here with no problems but when we do the wrap and strap roof it gets flatways 2x4's up and down the roof over the foam/over the rafters and then 5/8 osb and roofing, so that is vented. When we were doing the 2" foam back in the day we were using 3" roofing nails and applying shingle right over the foil faced foam. The foil cooked the shingles, that was when we started the sleepers and vented channel over the foam.
Title: Re: 20 x 20 w bedroom in Ohio
Post by: dablack on December 04, 2017, 11:22:42 AM
We went a different way here in Texas but here it is:
On top of the OSB decking, we put horizontal 2x4s spaced 4' apart so we could lay the 3/4" sheets of 4' wide rigid foam in-between.  Two layers of foam got it up even with the 2x4 and then we put the metal on.  Have 4" of spray foam under the roof deck.  With a silver metal roof, it stays nice and cool.  This is obviously a non-vented roof. 

We got the foam used on craigslist.  4'x24' sheets 3/4" thick for REALLY cheap.  Came off the roof of old chicken houses that were being torn down.  If I was doing it now, I would have put vertical 2x4s with two layers of foam in-between, then horizontal 2x4s and two layers of foam, then metal.  That would have gotten me 3" of rigid foam and almost zero thermal bridging.  No long screws needed and the metal attaches to the horizontal 2x4s. 

Austin
Title: Re: 20 x 20 w bedroom in Ohio
Post by: Mike 870 on December 04, 2017, 08:45:27 PM
Thanks for all the pointers guys.  Once I realized what I wanted to do was called wrap and strap It was easier for me to research it.  I had never heard that term before.  Did another work trip today so here's a few more photos.  Got the other half of the ceiling in the main room and built the supports for the covered back porch.  Eventually I hope to use the rest of my Ash on cover for the Front porch.

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Title: Re: 20 x 20 w bedroom in Ohio
Post by: NathanS on December 05, 2017, 08:29:50 AM
Looks awesome. You are moving fast.

For doing my walls in foam I mainly used the "REMOTE" manual and the deep mass energy retrofit guides. The buildingscience.com website also has a lot of good info in general but you can definitely tell those guys 'think' about building more than actually building...

http://www.cchrc.org/sites/default/files/docs/REMOTE_Manual.pdf

https://buildingscience.com/documents/guides-and-manuals/gm-mass-save-der-builder-guide/view
Title: Re: 20 x 20 w bedroom in Ohio
Post by: Mike 870 on December 05, 2017, 10:38:24 AM
Ha, I hear you on that.  Lately I've been considering just doing exterior foam on the walls where it would be easy to do.  Mostly the North and East side of the cabin.  There are minimal windows and fewer tricky details to deal with.  Of course my biggest concern is cooling in the summer, so that wouldn't help there much.  So who knows what I'll do.  I do change my mind a lot during the process.
Title: Re: 20 x 20 w bedroom in Ohio
Post by: Mike 870 on January 28, 2018, 10:54:16 PM
Hey guys, made a video tour of part of my property this past trip.  Also have a couple more videos I'll post once they are uploaded.

https://youtu.be/UcHQa2GQ-FQ
Title: Re: 20 x 20 w bedroom in Ohio
Post by: Mike 870 on January 29, 2018, 09:56:03 AM
And here is a video tour of the cabin.  I give some thoughts on building methods and talk about how I'm framing the cabin.  It's much easier to get a good feel of the cabin via the video than pictures.  I appreciate anyone who watches and feel free to give feedback.  I'm trying to get better at the vlogging thing.  It's crazy you spend all this time learning to build a cabin and then you have to spend like twice as long learning to use your camera and not come off as a tool.  I have 4 more videos waiting to edit and upload so if you want to follow along, please do subscribe.

https://youtu.be/owY4kWdw5uY
Title: Re: 20 x 20 w bedroom in Ohio
Post by: pmichelsen on January 30, 2018, 06:29:58 PM
Enjoyed the videos and I'm jealous of your property.
Title: Re: 20 x 20 w bedroom in Ohio
Post by: Mike 870 on January 30, 2018, 09:14:07 PM
Thanks for watching pmichelsen,  I appreciate it.
Title: Re: 20 x 20 w bedroom in Ohio
Post by: NathanS on January 31, 2018, 05:59:19 PM
I liked the videos too.

That is a nice piece of property... the driveway is something else. Could be a good excuse for a 4 wheeler.

Very nice views and my favorite part is the complete lack of any sounds except nature.
Title: Re: 20 x 20 w bedroom in Ohio
Post by: MountainDon on January 31, 2018, 07:33:23 PM
Nice videos.  Hills are fun aren't they.  You have a longer uphill run than we do.
Title: Re: 20 x 20 w bedroom in Ohio
Post by: Mike 870 on February 02, 2018, 07:12:54 PM
Hey thanks for watching guys.  I'd love to get a 4wheeler...  I made a video of how my water system works: 

https://youtu.be/SnjdGaP9RKg
Title: Re: 20 x 20 w bedroom in Ohio
Post by: Mike 870 on February 10, 2018, 06:05:23 PM
I Finish up the ceiling in the bedroom, talk about my back porch and how I'll insulate and finish off the roof.  Forgot to bring something critical to the operation...
https://youtu.be/La1tGYSI78M
Title: Re: 20 x 20 w bedroom in Ohio
Post by: Adam Roby on February 10, 2018, 09:31:58 PM
Hahaha... that totally sucks.  I wonder how hard it would be to hot-wire?  Coming along nicely though....
Title: Re: 20 x 20 w bedroom in Ohio
Post by: Mike 870 on February 12, 2018, 03:27:54 PM
Probably not too hard but I just didn't feel like trying.  Thanks for watching...
Title: Re: 20 x 20 w bedroom in Ohio
Post by: Mike 870 on April 23, 2018, 12:16:05 AM
I'm getting geared up to start building again.  Hope to insulate the ceiling and install metal roofing soon.  Take a walk of the land in this video and haul my camper up the hill to be ready for next trip.

https://youtu.be/3i0217G8U88
Title: Re: 20 x 20 w bedroom in Ohio
Post by: Rys on April 23, 2018, 12:11:34 PM
Love your rafters.    [cool]
Title: Re: 20 x 20 w bedroom in Ohio
Post by: Mike 870 on April 23, 2018, 08:21:44 PM
Thank you!
Title: Re: 20 x 20 w bedroom in Ohio
Post by: Mike 870 on May 01, 2018, 08:47:59 AM
Hey guys, I ordered my insulation, I have built cribbing on my roof, kind of an exo-skeleton box. 

Any last Advice before I start to wrap and strap? 

Planning on using a builders tape (whatever I can buy locally to seal the seams on the foil faced insulation).  Should I also Caulk?  If so any suggested caulk for Polyiso?  Planning to use something along the lines of 8 inch GRK screws to hold the strapping down. I have 6 inches of insulation, then 3/4 inch strapping vertically then 3/4 inch strapping again horizontally.  Then comes the metal roof, at which time I'll also be adding racking for my solar panels. 

Video forthcoming.
Title: Re: 20 x 20 w bedroom in Ohio
Post by: Mike 870 on May 03, 2018, 03:00:31 PM
Well the insulation is now on site and ready for install and the metal roof is ordered and will be ready for pickup tomorrow morning.  I just ordered it today at 2:00!  For those interested in costs, the insulation was $2,300, Ill have about $400 in cribbing 2x4s strapping and structural screws.  The roof with all drip edge flashing, boots and screws was $1,200. 
Title: Re: 20 x 20 w bedroom in Ohio
Post by: NathanS on May 03, 2018, 05:21:26 PM
Those screws sure aren't cheap. The manufacturer should have a table that tells you what size to use.. guessing you figured that out already.

Taping the insulation seams is a good idea - for air tightness alone. That foil is pretty fragile, You'll probably want to keep an eye on any dings and scrapes and tape them too. I was wondering about putting a layer of tar paper over top as an extra layer of protection. Metal roofing is pretty bulletproof though. Just keep in mind that any water that makes it past the metal should still drain out and not in.

My only real advice is always be roped in and make sure if you slip the strap is short enough that you don't dangle over the edge.
Title: Re: 20 x 20 w bedroom in Ohio
Post by: MountainDon on May 03, 2018, 06:54:09 PM
Quote from: Mike 870 on May 01, 2018, 08:47:59 AM
.......Planning to use something along the lines of 8 inch GRK screws to hold the strapping down. I have 6 inches of insulation, then 3/4 inch strapping vertically then 3/4 inch strapping again horizontally.  .......

I didn't see this until today.....  The 6 inches of foam plus two separate layers of 3/4" furring with 8 inch screws doesn't add up to me.  6 + .75 + .75 = 7.5" total thickness to be penetrated by the screws, not to mention the osb or whatever the roof sheathing is. Generally speaking, you should have 1.5" minimum penetration into the underlying framing. Perhaps I don't understand how the screws are to be used; what thickness is meant to be penetrated.  ??? 

I'm not familiar with tables that would suggest the size and number of screws to use for roof sheathing + foam insulation, etc. However, there are tables for fastener size and number for foam wall insulation, installed on tthe exterior like we did when retro-insulating our home walls. Fastenmaster makes a variety of structurally rated screws and has a table for the Headlok series, for walls.   That doc is downloadable from  here (https://www.fastenmaster.com/resources.html?file=tl_files/fastenmaster2015/documents/files/ter100901fastenmasterheadlokforwoodthickfoamattachment.pdf).  Just thought I'd mention that in case it might be of use to someone.

Fastenmaster has a large assortment of resources for their products (https://www.fastenmaster.com/resources.html).  I don't know about the same for GRK, but that may be only because I've never searched for any docs for their products.

Title: Re: 20 x 20 w bedroom in Ohio
Post by: Mike 870 on May 04, 2018, 10:51:00 AM
Thanks Nathan and Don,

I really could not find much info on this at all.  Most of what I found was on the forestry forum from guys who had build their own timber frame house.  Seems most people use SIPS, which just aren't possible on my site.  The 8 inch screws will go through 3/4 strapping then 6 inches of insulation before they bite into the sheathing boards and rafters so I guess I'm short by 1/4 inch.  I could always use a forester bit and bore out 1/4 inch of the strapping.  The screws have a pretty decent size head on them.  Once that first set of strapping is fastened another 3/4 inch will go perpendicular (horizontal) across the roof.  The second set runs the direction it needs to be for the roof.  I've got a layer of 30lb felt under the insulation, really it was because I've lost some knots and have decent size gaps between the boards in the dry winter air.

Title: Re: 20 x 20 w bedroom in Ohio
Post by: NathanS on May 05, 2018, 07:34:34 AM
I used a spade bit to predrill all the holes through my 1x4 furring. Those screws would probably split the furring quite a bit if not predrilled, also could be a little risky trying to get the head of the screw flush with the wood. The nice thing with the spade bit is you could start all the screws on the ground, that way two hands is enough when you're trying to install.

I assumed fastenmaster or GRK would have a screw schedule for roofs like they do for walls, maybe not. The question mark is snow load, otherwise you could use the same schedule they recommend for walls.

This article is behind a paywall but would be worth a 1 month subscription or free trial. Martin Holladay will consult with engineers and professors when he writes these articles.
http://www.greenbuildingadvisor.com/articles/dept/musings/how-install-rigid-foam-top-roof-sheathing

There is another guide called "REMOTE" that has good info on screws but I think it was mainly for walls.


I also marked the stud locations at the bottom of the wall before installing the foam. I then used a T square.. or level.. and marker to mark all my stud locations.

Some of the prep work gets pretty tedious but you really want to make it as easy as possible when you're putting in the big stuff.
Title: Re: 20 x 20 w bedroom in Ohio
Post by: Mike 870 on May 06, 2018, 07:43:11 AM
Snow load is 20 psf, but I don't think that will really come into play here.  The only job of the screws is to hold down the polyiso and the strapping.  There really won't be much downward force.  The toughest job they will have is holding things down in high wind.   I'll need to predrill the holes.  I have some really good leftover pine for strapping the stuff is much nicer than your typical box store pine.  Almost too nice to use but I don't really have another use for it.  I have more than enough screws, so I should be fine.  I'm only accountable to myself on this build so...  heading to the cabin tonight so I can get an early start tomorrow.  Hopefully I'll have a video on the process.
Title: Re: 20 x 20 w bedroom in Ohio
Post by: dablack on May 07, 2018, 09:00:24 AM
Won't your siding attach to the 3/4" strapping?  If so, then those screws will be not only holding up your polyiso and strapping but also your siding.  That is a big moment arm (6.75") for so little bite into the house (1.25").  I would want more bite with so much weight hanging on the screws.
Title: Re: 20 x 20 w bedroom in Ohio
Post by: Mike 870 on May 07, 2018, 09:38:00 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/vD5wNMU.jpg)

Here's what I got done so far.  Hopefully this picture helps it make more sense.  It's not for siding it's for a metal roof.  I still have a two foot strip to add at the top before I can finish this front section.  The screws are biting into the ash rafters, it's solid I've been climbing all over it today.  At the bottom and the sides the strapping fastens to built up 2x4's. 
Title: Re: 20 x 20 w bedroom in Ohio
Post by: dablack on May 08, 2018, 08:29:05 AM
That's a horse of a different color!

I think what you have done looks pretty good and if you have been climbing all over it and feel good about it, then do it to it!

Just for historical info, if someone else reads this thread and wants to copy what you are doing, I would want a little more bite with the fasteners.  In this instance, gravity is helping and the angle between the downward pull (gravity) and the fasteners are less due to it being a roof, but with siding, the angle would be 90 degrees and I wouldn't really feel comfortable with this at all. 
Title: Re: 20 x 20 w bedroom in Ohio
Post by: Mike 870 on May 08, 2018, 12:12:10 PM
I think most people just use SIP panels on top of their roof, but my site would be very difficult for that as well as the logistics of it being a decent drive from my house.

In hindsight I would notch in some boards into my rafters themselves that run horizontally that way I have more area to fasten to because the rafters being 4 foot centers is kind of far apart for the strapping.  I have strapping on 2 ft centers but those ones only bite in 3/4 of an inch into the pine board ceiling.  I had to fasten those ones so that they would not penetrate through the sheathing.  So every other vertical strap is solid and bites into Ash hardwood, and the ones in between are not so solid but held down by the horizontal straps.   Overall all once everything joins up its pretty secure though. It's not ideal but a good learning experience. 
Title: Re: 20 x 20 w bedroom in Ohio
Post by: Mike 870 on May 10, 2018, 05:59:20 AM
Here's yesterday's progress. I have a time-lapse of putting up the felt, strapping insulation and roof coming soon.

(https://i.imgur.com/N2GVHKy.jpg)

Title: Re: 20 x 20 w bedroom in Ohio
Post by: Mike 870 on May 11, 2018, 01:48:07 PM
Here's the video of insulating and roofing the front side of the cabin: https://youtu.be/viabiXnrcjs
Title: Re: 20 x 20 w bedroom in Ohio
Post by: Mike 870 on August 02, 2018, 08:21:06 AM
I took my 9 year old nephew to the cabin because he was really interested in helping.  We had a great time.  I don't have any kids of my own.  I don't know how you parents get anything done!  As much as he wanted to help, there wasn't much I was comfortable letting him do, so he ended up getting really bored about an hour after we got there... We made a short video together.  About half way through the video is when he started getting bored and barraged me with a stream of questions that is still floating somewhere over Lake Erie. 

https://youtu.be/K11uA5YqWIY
Title: Re: 20 x 20 w bedroom in Ohio
Post by: Toyotaboy on August 22, 2018, 09:36:50 PM
Great videos. Enjoying your build.
Title: Re: 20 x 20 w bedroom in Ohio
Post by: Mike 870 on August 29, 2018, 07:57:16 AM
Hey thanks Toyotaboy.  Here's a link to yesterdays progress.  I've got to admit I'm going slower than I expected on this project and I expected to go slow.  But fun things are coming, I'm going to order my doors and windows this week.  I hope to go down this weekend and finish the other side of that little roof, install some kickout flashing, and also finish sheathing and then house wrap it. I'm also looking forward to cutting out the windows in the bedroom.  Once I do that I will finally know if the real thing matches the vision in my head for how the space will feel.   We're hoping to get it dried in so my father in law can hunt there this deer season. 

https://youtu.be/hB7Mguraf0U


(https://i.imgur.com/lkZPQ0Z.jpg)
Title: Re: 20 x 20 w bedroom in Ohio
Post by: Mike 870 on September 30, 2018, 06:49:25 PM
Made a bit more progress on Friday.  Finished up the roof more or less, couple little odds and ends to wrap up.  Cut out the openings for my remaining windows.  I'll be finishing sheathing tomorrow and starting on house wrap.  Also taking delivery of my doors and windows so I'm renting a UHaul trailer to transport them. We ordered Marvin Wood Ultrex, really excited to see them.

https://youtu.be/bNNMnX7_2VM

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Title: Re: 20 x 20 w bedroom in Ohio
Post by: Mike 870 on October 06, 2018, 05:30:08 PM
We got our doors and windows in.   They are Marvin Wood Ultrex, I'm very happy with them. Not too happy with how much they cost but what are you going to do...I feel a lot better now that they are in, it opens up a whole new season for me to work on the interior (winter).

https://youtu.be/RKb0X8bI6K8

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Title: Re: 20 x 20 w bedroom in Ohio
Post by: MountainDon on October 06, 2018, 05:42:25 PM
Looks good. It is a real treat having windows in place; light comes in, no wind.
Title: Re: 20 x 20 w bedroom in Ohio
Post by: NathanS on October 10, 2018, 06:51:17 AM
Very nice looking windows and doors. Better to overspend once than underspend twice.
Title: Re: 20 x 20 w bedroom in Ohio
Post by: Mike 870 on October 23, 2018, 03:18:14 PM
We're almost dried in except for the very top of the loft side gable end.  It was a neat coincidence that we didn't get that bit done because I was treated to a full moon shining in over the loft.  I hope to get that last bit of sheathing up tomorrow and then the rest of the tyvec on.   I also have almost everything I need for my solar installation except for one 30 amp dc breaker and some #1 wire for my inverter.  I figured I could get it local at Home Depot but they did not carry it.

https://youtu.be/ebCZOZw_tM4

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Title: Re: 20 x 20 w bedroom in Ohio
Post by: NathanS on October 24, 2018, 08:31:28 AM
Congrats on getting it dried in. The windows look very nice, worth price paid in my opinion.

Not sure if you mentioned it already, are you planning on wood paneling for the walls (like the ceiling)? You are getting close to being insulated + woodstove.

I've been following along the videos too, I just keep thinking how much extra work it would be to move the camera around in addition to all the framing (not to mention editing it all together). I had thought about recording stuff before, but I think the most I'd have in me is to wear a gopro.

Keep it up.
Title: Re: 20 x 20 w bedroom in Ohio
Post by: Mike 870 on October 24, 2018, 08:08:46 PM
Thanks Nathan, I really like the windows a lot, and the sting of the price has already worn off some.  I think we are going to do some sort of pine paneling like the ceiling. We may mix it up with some drywall in there in places as well to add some color and a change of texture.  I sometimes find that all wood can be too much pattern.  So we may throw in some drywall for contrast.

The filming really is a pain.  It requires a lot of planning and forethought to get the right shots and get set up.  But it's also enjoyable and a great way to chronicle the build.  The editing is pretty tedious.  I film a lot, and am usually compressing two or 3 days of work into 10 minutes.  I'd guess I spend between 2-6 hours editing each video after I get home.  And honestly I could spend even more time cleaning them up if I were really particular. 

Made another trip today, got the loft in the window:
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Started installing the solar panels!

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Title: Re: 20 x 20 w bedroom in Ohio
Post by: Rys on October 24, 2018, 09:00:29 PM
Really coming together. Looks great!
Title: Re: 20 x 20 w bedroom in Ohio
Post by: Starvin on October 25, 2018, 12:23:34 PM
Love this build. Keep up the great work!
Title: Re: 20 x 20 w bedroom in Ohio
Post by: Mike 870 on October 25, 2018, 01:25:27 PM
Thanks guys!
Title: Re: 20 x 20 w bedroom in Ohio
Post by: Mike 870 on October 30, 2018, 06:08:45 PM
Made another video of putting in the last pieces of sheathing, the loft window and then installing the solar racking from iron ridge and got 1 panel up before we ran out of time.  My previous video kinda went mini viral, it got 18,000 views in a week, it was surreal getting so much views.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hfGE0Uiwgg8
Title: Re: 20 x 20 w bedroom in Ohio
Post by: Migraine Craftsman on October 30, 2018, 08:59:55 PM
Thumbs up youtube brother, lol  c*
Title: Re: 20 x 20 w bedroom
Post by: Mike 870 on November 06, 2018, 05:11:41 PM
Hey thanks Migrane.  I just finished editing and uploading this one. It's the first half (ish) of our solar install.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ahb_ENAfs4o
Title: Re: 20 x 20 w 8 x 10 bedroom
Post by: pmichelsen on November 07, 2018, 02:29:51 PM
Looks good, I probably would have gone with romex from your breakers in the loft to your system down below. Hard to tell from the video, but I'm not sure if the wire you used is permitted for use without conduit.
Title: Re: 20 x 20 w 8 x 10 bedroom
Post by: Mike 870 on November 07, 2018, 04:21:15 PM
It's THHN it's not allowed without conduit.
Title: Re: 20 x 20 w 8 x 10 bedroom
Post by: Mike 870 on November 07, 2018, 05:31:16 PM
I should clarify, I want all my AC wiring in the house to be Romex and easily distinguishable from DC wiring.  All my DC will be Red +(positive) and Black with white tape as - (negative).  That wire run, it's 37.5 volts at max power, and 20 amps, 8 gauge and breaker protected.  So yea I don't advocate what I did, but I'm willing to accept it.
Title: Re: 20 x 20 w 8 x 10 bedroom
Post by: pmichelsen on November 08, 2018, 11:44:43 AM
Cool, just making sure you were aware. Too late for this application, but you may check out smurf tubing if you have to do something like this in the future.

Keep up the good work!
Title: Re: 20 x 20 w bedroom
Post by: Migraine Craftsman on November 08, 2018, 07:45:12 PM
Quote from: Mike 870 on November 06, 2018, 05:11:41 PM
Hey thanks Migrane.  I just finished editing and uploading this one. It's the first half (ish) of our solar install.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ahb_ENAfs4o

Watched the video I liked it, thumbed it (thats sounds dirty) and I subscribed by the way. Come to my channel and subscribe, I have 6 subscribers lol. My next build should be a tiny house some where around 16 by 20 or so, kind of like your cabin.
Title: Re: 20 x 20 w 8 x 10 bedroom
Post by: Migraine Craftsman on November 14, 2018, 06:44:29 PM
Just commented on your video and I gave it a big fat thumbs up lol. Watching it right now.
Title: Re: 20 x 20 w 8 x 10 bedroom
Post by: Mike 870 on November 15, 2018, 07:47:54 AM
Thanks man, I appreciate the support!  Here is the video Migrane is referring to.  Part II of the solar install.  It's pretty close now.  Still need to do some things here and there.  Going to get some smurf cable for some of the THHN.  Also will be switching out some of the Romex as time allows.  The Victron stuff is pretty neat.  I haven't left everything turned on unattended yet, that will be the big test.  I have the batteries fully charged and am shutting down while I'm gone.

https://youtu.be/fBAVOnBKEpM
Title: Re: 20 x 20 w 8 x 10 bedroom
Post by: Mike 870 on December 01, 2018, 01:52:44 PM
Here's my final video on my solar install:
https://youtu.be/vNQ9d-13QO8
I'm not quite done with the system (battery box, conduit in places etc), but I really wanted to move on to other subjects...
Title: Re: 20 x 20 w 8 x 10 bedroom
Post by: Migraine Craftsman on December 01, 2018, 02:38:48 PM
Quote from: Mike 870 on December 01, 2018, 01:52:44 PM
Here's my final video on my solar install:
https://youtu.be/vNQ9d-13QO8
I'm not quite done with the system (battery box, conduit in places etc), but I really wanted to move on to other subjects...

Hey youtoobs didn't notify me of your new video and I hit the bell. I thumbed upped your video lol.
Title: Re: 20 x 20 w 8 x 10 bedroom
Post by: Mike 870 on December 01, 2018, 09:01:31 PM
Hmm that's weird, wonder why?  Well, thanks for watching.
Title: Re: 20 x 20 w 8 x 10 bedroom
Post by: Mike 870 on December 11, 2018, 08:35:25 AM
Hello everyone.  I had a really cold 3 day trip where I finished up the solar then installed a backup furnace for when the wood stove dies down. Although not shown I did get the bedroom mostly insulated (next video).   I got a small efficient 10K BTU unit that doesn't need to be wall mounted.  Which is nice since I have no room to wall mount one in the tiny bedroom.  It's upside is that it's really efficient on propane 92.5%, the downside is that it takes 36 watts to run.  The plan is that it just keeps us warm from early morning until we wake up and stoke the wood stove.  The first night I slept with the furnace on but no insulation it was like sleeping next to a campfire. The second night with the room closed off and partially insulated it was much more comfortable. 

https://youtu.be/NI405OEvduY
Title: Re: 20 x 20 w 8 x 10 bedroom
Post by: Migraine Craftsman on December 13, 2018, 11:00:22 AM
Ahhh look at the snow, pretty to look at don't want to shovel it anymore that's why I flocked south  ;D Be safe out there Mike.
Title: Re: 20 x 20 w 8 x 10 bedroom
Post by: Mike 870 on December 29, 2018, 08:20:38 AM
Shout out to Countryplans in this one.  Would love to see this site getting the amount of projects posted like it used to before inferior platforms seemed to take over.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HaoEgJq4hcE
Title: Re: 20 x 20 w 8 x 10 bedroom
Post by: Migraine Craftsman on December 29, 2018, 09:37:36 AM
This is why I like this forum, I just wish it would come back alive. Great episode Mike, you mentioned books I did that and funny that you say that one of the books I bought was recommended from countryplans it was called "Working Alone" still have it.
Title: Re: 20 x 20 w 8 x 10 bedroom
Post by: Adam Roby on December 29, 2018, 10:01:08 AM
Loving the build also. 

I don't get to reply to many posts because I read them at work on my lunch hour but they block replies and new posts (not sure how they do that) so by the time I get home I forget to reply.  The forum does die down quite a bit in the winter, picks up in the spring.  I also bought the working alone book based on recommendations on this site, along with a few others along the way.  We tend to share what works and what doesn't.
Title: Re: 20 x 20 w 8 x 10 bedroom
Post by: NathanS on December 29, 2018, 01:23:08 PM
I agree with everything you said.

It is a shame the way social media platforms have really just taken over the internet. It's almost like we're back at square one. I think that there are fewer posters now because these smaller sites will not show up in google results anymore. Search results that used to let people find countyplans are now going to send you to houzz, instagram, youtube, or some other company that has spent millions on marketing. There are no new people to replace those who have left.

Also I may just be paranoid but when you go onto those bigger sites like reddit, I am starting to wonder if a lot of the comments and posts are just bots now?

BTW i actually really like how your practice shed came out.
Title: Re: 20 x 20 w 8 x 10 bedroom
Post by: Mike 870 on December 29, 2018, 02:55:36 PM
It's crazy, have you noticed how the ability on FB to "show most recent posts first". has either disappeared or been hidden so deep it's in a completely inconvient place.  They want the AI to determine what you see to keep you on the platform as long as possible to feed you as many ads as  possible. 

Believe it or not I probably hurt myself by mentioning other sites because one of the things YouTube dings your videos for is weather people leave the platform or stay and consume more media and ads.
Title: Re: 20 x 20 w 8 x 10 bedroom
Post by: Mike 870 on January 09, 2019, 01:46:10 PM
Here's the latest update.  We hiked up our ravine, did a bit more electrical, then started finishing out the inside of the bedroom.

https://youtu.be/VJKAMaglcq8
Title: Re: 20 x 20 w 8 x 10 bedroom
Post by: Migraine Craftsman on January 09, 2019, 06:21:25 PM
Looking good, left a comment on youtube about pants, I have some similar to yours all covered up in paint, caulking and God knows what.  c*
Title: Re: 20 x 20 w 8 x 10 bedroom
Post by: Rys on January 09, 2019, 08:28:07 PM
Your ravine area is beautiful!
Title: Re: 20 x 20 w 8 x 10 bedroom
Post by: Mike 870 on January 10, 2019, 04:30:12 PM
Thanks guys
Title: Re: 20 x 20 w 8 x 10 bedroom
Post by: Migraine Craftsman on January 18, 2019, 02:57:09 PM
Mike its January the DRYWALL month! /cheers  c*
Title: Re: 20 x 20 w 8 x 10 bedroom
Post by: Mike 870 on February 16, 2019, 06:30:06 AM
Speaking of Drywall.  I'm back at it.  Some people hate drywall.  I rather like it in kind of the same way I enjoy mowing a lawn.  I don't like the act of pushing the lawnmower, but I like seeing the nice clean cut grass lines make their way through the yard.  In the next video I do craftsman style trim around the windows It came out really nice I can't wait to finish that video.

https://youtu.be/UNxDau_KAZM
Title: Re: 20 x 20 w 8 x 10 bedroom
Post by: apiratelooksat40 on February 16, 2019, 12:58:56 PM
Funny - I've been following your channel from the first episode.  I stumbled across it looking for builds and ideas and not from here.  Nice to see the cross-pollination happen!

Great job on your build and you've given me some good ideas along the way!
Title: Re: 20 x 20 w 8 x 10 bedroom
Post by: Migraine Craftsman on February 16, 2019, 05:08:39 PM
I just left you a comment on your youtubes and I even watched the whole WIX commercial.
And you should be ashamed for liking doing drywall, what is wrong with you? lol  ;D
Title: Re: 20 x 20 w 8 x 10 bedroom
Post by: Mike 870 on February 23, 2019, 08:22:42 AM
Here's what I've been up to... 

https://youtu.be/JQgjvgiQkUc
Title: Re: 20 x 20 w 8 x 10 bedroom
Post by: NathanS on February 23, 2019, 09:57:42 AM
Looks great.

BTW Dewalt is making a pin nailer that shoots 2" pins. It changed my life.
Title: Re: 20 x 20 w 8 x 10 bedroom
Post by: Mike 870 on February 23, 2019, 11:03:01 AM
Thanks Nathan, I will need to check that out. I have a funny story to tell about those trim nailers actually, might have to put that in the next video.

Also thanks Pirate and Migrane, didn't see those comments till now.   
Title: Re: 20 x 20 w 8 x 10 bedroom
Post by: Mike 870 on March 02, 2019, 04:19:44 PM
I built a door for the bedroom.  It was hard.  It took 6 days, I say 4 in the video but I wasn't done yet...

https://youtu.be/gFkc-1HApMQ

Title: Re: 20 x 20 w 8 x 10 bedroom
Post by: Danfish on March 03, 2019, 10:29:22 AM
Outstanding video work, and like your craftsmanship, shows real attention to detail!  Thanks for the commentary on those little snafus that all us DIYers experience...just adds character.
Title: Re: 20 x 20 w 8 x 10 bedroom
Post by: Mike 870 on March 03, 2019, 06:31:32 PM
Thank you Danfish. 
Title: Re: 20 x 20 w 8 x 10 bedroom
Post by: Migraine Craftsman on March 04, 2019, 01:00:41 PM
Hey mike, whats your plan to trim out the top of the wainscoting?

If I can recommend something simple that I think looks awesome is a 1by2 lay it flat to create a little lip and secure it to the wainscoting. I have done that before and I love how it looks, get you a test piece and lay it down on top to see if you would like it. Simple and cheap but it looks good.

c*
Title: Re: 20 x 20 w 8 x 10 bedroom
Post by: Mike 870 on March 04, 2019, 07:09:03 PM
I was actually thinking of doing something like that, just making a miniature reproduction of the fillet frieze and cap that is on the window and running that profile around the room3/4 by 3/8 fillet 1/2 inch by 3 inch frieze and 1/2 by 3/4 cap.  Probably won't make sense till you see it.
Title: Re: 20 x 20 w 8 x 10 bedroom
Post by: Mike 870 on March 24, 2019, 07:59:19 AM
Got some more odd's & ends done this past Wednesday.   The weather has been favorable. Not much rain.   Checked in on my spring and it still seems to be running.  Hoping for a productive next couple months.

https://youtu.be/jOI7St9Uzfk
Title: Re: 20 x 20 w 8 x 10 bedroom
Post by: Mike 870 on April 01, 2019, 06:09:17 AM
I made flooring for the bedroom and installed it.  I'm getting a bit nervous about finding enough Ash to finish out the cabin,  I may have to switch to a different species for the main room.  We also got a bit more insulating done and check on the our spring and also get the propane tanks topped off for next year.  Trying to put a lot of thought into the videos to attempt to give the viewer a sense of orientation, especially if they are new to the build.  Hopefully it helps.

https://youtu.be/HL2A9Eh0v9Q
Title: Re: 20 x 20 w 8 x 10 bedroom
Post by: NathanS on April 01, 2019, 07:42:10 AM
Great looking floor, I love Ash.

That is crazy you guys are running out now, we still have a few years left I think. Some day people will look at Ash the same way as Chestnut.

Love the door by the way, it gives me some ideas. I have a bunch to make later this year.
Title: Re: 20 x 20 w 8 x 10 bedroom
Post by: Mike 870 on April 04, 2019, 07:50:54 AM
I'm excited to see what you will come up with on your doors Nathan.  I love what you did with your kitchen.
Title: Re: 20 x 20 w 8 x 10 bedroom
Post by: Don_P on April 04, 2019, 07:04:23 PM
Hmm, I've been through a few of these doomsday insect invasions, Southern pine beetle was going to wipe out southern pine in the '70's, Gypsy moth, hemlock wooly adelgid, beech bark disease and now EAB. They do cause an awful lot of damage but don't underestimate the resilience of nature. What seems to happen more often, the populations of these insects explode, that forest species thins below a carrying capacity for that insect, its population crashes and then a balance is struck. About 6 or 8 miles from where I'm sitting is a research plantation of chestnuts of many different crosses.
Title: Re: 20 x 20 w 8 x 10 bedroom
Post by: NathanS on April 04, 2019, 07:29:59 PM
Don, it is true that only time will tell. It is pretty wild to drive through areas that have been hit. I can't spot a single living tree, though apparently some do survive and are termed 'lingering Ash.' Apparently extended periods at -40F can kill the larva under the bark as well.

As far as I know there is no American Chestnut resistant to the blight. I planted several Dunstan & chinese chestnut last year. Our grow zone is pretty borderline for them, though.

The coolest story I've heard by far is that SUNY ESF was able to insert a wheat gene into pure American Chestnut that makes them completely resistant to the blight. They are trying to get approval from USDA, EPA and FDA in order to start planting them.
Title: Re: 20 x 20 w 8 x 10 bedroom
Post by: Mike 870 on April 05, 2019, 08:23:18 AM
I hope that is how it plays out, I haven't been through one of these insect invasions before.  In the meantime, I'm more than happy to use up as much ash as I can in my build.  So far it's the only hardwood I've used.  Well unless Sassafras is a hardwood.  I accidentally grabbed some of that thinking it was Ash.  It's a nice looking wood, light in color, kind of a light honey yellow.   I made the door frame out of it. 
Title: Re: 20 x 20 w 8 x 10 bedroom
Post by: Migraine Craftsman on April 05, 2019, 08:56:02 AM
Mike what's next on the agenda?
Title: Re: 20 x 20 w 8 x 10 bedroom
Post by: Mike 870 on April 05, 2019, 12:00:14 PM
Oh man, a couple things actually.  I'm starting to build a built in bed in the shop, I have a video finished where I install the chair rail.  I have have the baseboards milled and finished with the linseed oil, turpentine, spar urethane mix, but forgot a couple pieces so I didn't install it yet.  I need another coat of poly on the floor still.  I also reserved an excavator rental for the weekend of April 13th so I'll be burying a culvert, doing some ditching and maybe a bit of grading on the road.  Finally I am getting ready to transition to exterior work, so pretty soon I will be purchasing siding and installing that...
Title: Re: 20 x 20 w 8 x 10 bedroom
Post by: Migraine Craftsman on April 05, 2019, 01:22:42 PM
Let me know if you need help with the siding, I can come out and help you, Ohio is only 8 hours away from me  c*
Title: Re: 20 x 20 w 8 x 10 bedroom
Post by: Don_P on April 05, 2019, 07:40:06 PM
Sass is nice wood "poor man's oak". It is rot resistant and is sometimes sold as chestnut, the same basic color, ring porous without visible rays and the same light weight.
Just after the first world war car frames were still wood, predominantly ash, and the demand was increasing. There was concern that we would wipe it out. The newly formed US Forest Products Lab was tasked with finding the next suitable replacement wood. Just as with the baseball bats the next best species mechanically was maple. Happily cars soon transitioned to all steel construction.
Title: Re: 20 x 20 w 8 x 10 bedroom
Post by: Mike 870 on April 23, 2019, 07:21:31 AM
Very interesting Don.  FYI for anyone interested, I left 1/4 of an inch gap when I built my door frame around my door, roughly 1/8 on either side.  The door is now 1/8 larger than the frame on the hardware side,  so the moisture differential must be significant between where I built it and the cabin location.  I forsee some hand planing, or perhaps borrowing my friends track saw.  I expected movement, but given that I built it as a frame and panel, that degree of movement surprised me. 

I rented a mini excavator to work on the top half of my road.  I got quotes of $10,800 and $13,400 to make my road how I wanted it.  I ended up renting a mini it came to $480 with tax and delivery for a weekend.  I ran it 4 hours more than the 8 that I was allowed so I had to pay an extra $125.  I used about $20 of diesel.  Im having 100 tons of stone tailgated.  20 tons of 57's to maintain the flat part and lower hill that is still good then 80 tons of #2 (baseball size) starting at the culvert and working up towards the cabin as far as it will go.  The stone cost roughly $1,500 and the 10 inch 20 foot culvert I placed was $85.

https://youtu.be/5a_mr2tE1no
Title: Re: 20 x 20 w 8 x 10 bedroom
Post by: NathanS on April 23, 2019, 03:02:30 PM
Really cool, Mike. I have been thinking about buying a mini ex... I'm sure you did too considering their quotes were in the neighborhood of a used one. I also couldn't live without our tractor/loader.
Title: Re: 20 x 20 w 8 x 10 bedroom
Post by: Mike 870 on April 23, 2019, 04:55:39 PM
I still would like to buy a mini ex.  I enjoyed using it so much I wouldn't mind having one and also taking some jobs once I have one.  I actually started saving up for one about 4 months ago, but I've probably got about a year and a half more of saving to go before I can afford a decent one. 
Title: Re: 20 x 20 w 8 x 10 bedroom
Post by: Mike 870 on December 19, 2019, 09:14:55 AM
Oh boy I haven't been very good about keeping this updated. I have a bunch of progress videos from the last couple months.
Wiring a DC 3 way switch:
https://youtu.be/K7z6EPFY1CM
Baseboard and Water Pump:
https://youtu.be/_9z0ypDCAMY
Making a Built in Bed:
https://youtu.be/B7I4M-xMEnc
Building Cabinet Bases:
https://youtu.be/GosdDzfrAK8
Putting them in the cabin:
https://youtu.be/QauGGJGewO4
Building an Outdoor Shower
Part I:
https://youtu.be/WvF5Ech0Op0
Part II:
https://youtu.be/kje1DHBmPlI
Getting a Dog:
https://youtu.be/bULSv_smOvs
Building a Rain Screen:
https://youtu.be/gUDFsCM9HWw
Siding: https://youtu.be/cIHNlm8lQqM
Shade Awning and Siding:
https://youtu.be/qX2wOYAmfsE
Whole House Fan:
Part I:
https://youtu.be/j0fS6kZ8XyQ
Part II:
https://youtu.be/S4C9g98IAdc
Adding a Window:
https://youtu.be/sjIIUxROXv0
Siding:
https://youtu.be/f4yJrD2k1hU
Timber Frame Awning:
https://youtu.be/TVyQK-7aN3s
Expanding my Solar:
https://youtu.be/MuNLANBqZLg
Board & Batten Wainscoting:
https://youtu.be/JLOZymvLB_s
Wainscoting time lapse:
https://youtu.be/Q4X1iZLuaHw
Wood Stove:
Part I:
https://youtu.be/pHvNnMmyK-I
Part II:
https://youtu.be/2CRNQL7G7yg
Part III:
https://youtu.be/J_cYUi0ELSA
Title: Re: 20 x 20 w 8 x 10 bedroom
Post by: NathanS on December 19, 2019, 11:24:11 AM
Very cool your videos have garnered such a large audience. It is much deserved as it is evident how much work you put into them. Your place is looking good too.
Title: Re: 20 x 20 w 8 x 10 bedroom
Post by: MountainDon on December 19, 2019, 02:43:56 PM
That's looking very nice Mike
Title: Re: 20 x 20 w 8 x 10 bedroom
Post by: Mike 870 on December 19, 2019, 08:03:18 PM
Thanks Nathan and Don,
It's been pretty surreal seeing the videos take off.  I got most of my inspiration and a good deal of my building knowledge right here from this site, so it's kinda where it all started.