My summer project
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I am building this screen house at my land in the adirondacks this summer. The back screened portion is 10 x 14 and the front porch is 4 x 14. As I am 5 hours away I need to pre build as much as possible.
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I am building the post out of 2x 6 and the top "beam" out of 2x 6 as well.
This is all of the pre build for the post, beams and knee walls.
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Next I will be working on the roof trusses.
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thats areally good looking truss! looks like a good plan. make sure to take alot of pics. id like to see how it comes together.
Should be a nice place to sit and enjoy the outdoors without the bugs. :)
I'm curious, how are the truss components going to be fastened together?
Don
I am planning on making gussets out of plywood. I have purchased construction adhesive and plan to screw them in place. I think I will first attach them with an air stapler and come back with screws.
I was also inspired by your screen house.
Thanks
I prefer the 3"x5" metal fasteners for gussets myself, they aren't very rustic but I think they hold and look better personally.
Otherwise, looks great. I built my own trusses for my 12x16 and did wood gussets initially but switched to metal for strength
Not real sure what type of floor you are using. But if you are using a deck material don't forget to tack screen onto the floor joist.
I am using 5/4 deck boards and have thought of the best material to put under them to keep the bugs out. My father in law thought of landscaping fabric.
Not yet sure what I wil use but thanks for the suggestion.
Most here just use polyester screen stabled to the joist. Only one problem and that is that dirt will fall between the cracks. 36" wide put on perpendicular to the joist with a 1-2" overlap.
new land owner,
Plywood gussets should be fine; CSX 3/8" can be used. As for glue I would recommend something like polyurethane moisture activated glue like Gorilla Glue or a two part glue like Weldwood Resorcinol Glue over construction adhesive. For plywood truss gussets you want the plywood as flat against the truss wood as possible. You do not need or want a thick layer of glue. The thinner types as mentioned will squeeze out some as you nail the gussets on. The polyurethanes are messier to clean up; sticky just like foam insulation in a can is (close cousins). Hand nailing is preferred over a power stapler. An air nailer could be used, but each nail should be "finished" by a good blow with a framing hammer. This will squeeze the materials together better than an air tool can accomplish.
Galvanized 5D or 6D box nails spaced about 2" apart is what they used to use back in the 50's & 60's when they built on site trusses for ag buildings. On the flat side of a 2x4 there's be two rows.
If you'd like I could scan a picture or two from my old "Designs for Glued Trusses manual.
I also believe that plywood plates, installed properly, are better for this than any metal nail plates. The metal plates you see on factory produced trusses are rolled or pressed into the wood under evenly applied high pressure.
Don't use screws; they are never recommended for structural wood framing.
I may be leaving town for a few days so here's that info. The image includes two blocks that are nailed to the floor jig. They have marks on them as guides for the nailing pattern.
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Don, Thanks for the information I will use this to build my trusses.
I finished my trusses but I think I need a new (larger) trailer.
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Thats looking really nice.
Any more pics?
We love pics. :)
new land owner nothing wrong with that . Most of my loads look similar. It works doesn't it. Here you are allowed up to 4' overhang w/o a permit. Anthing under needs to be flagged.
The Little Trailer that Could!....or was it Engine??? Anyway, the pic makes me smile. ;D
I made an extendable tongue for my 4x8 box trailer. It makes it easier to carry long loads and keep weight on the hitch.
How did you make the extendable and still rigid?
I removed the original hitch from the original tongue. Then bought a section of square tubing, I think it was 1/4" wall, that could slide over the other. Just like that there is some slop, but see below. I made the outer tube long enough so with it pushed fully over the original tongue it was about a foot longer. That helped reversing with the trailer as I coan see it better in the side mirrors.
I drilled the two pieces through top to bottom with a 1/2" drill bit. With the assembly collapsed there is are two 1/2" grade 5 bolts with nylock nuts about two feet apart that secure the sections. The paranoid side of me insisted on also using a 1/2" hitch pin half way between the bolts.
Once those were drilled I pulled the tongue forward and drilled more holes through the inner tube for a mid length extension, then another 12 inches for the most extension.
There's no wiggle or sloppiness apparent. Works for me. I also installed a loop of wiring to allow the extension and still have the lights work.
I welded thin pieces of steel to several places alomg the sides of the inner tube. I had to grind carefully but that made the tubes fit tighter. Then the bolts cinch them top to bottom.
Spent all of this week on sight getting started.
I have the building up but not shingled.
Still trying to decide on the exterior wall treatments.
Also met with the building inspector and paid my $33.00 fee for the building permit.
The deck with the back portion screened for bugs.
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I built the posts out of 2x6 and assembled it on sight
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Here is the back 10 x 14 screened portion.
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The building is up waiting for a roof
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Ran out of time so I had to tarp it until the next trip
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You certainly were busy! Looking mighty nice. :)
Looking just like the computer rendering....cool :)
Indeed, that is very nice!
Its is alot like the style I am doing.
I would like to see the plans you are using. Can you show them to us?
I know you cant wait to get back and finish.
Thanks for the complements
I did not work off any plans pre say. I used punch software to create the roof lines and to try other options.
The total building is 14' square with the back 10' x 14' to be screened and the front 4' x 14' to be a porch.
I have a 8 12 pitch on the higher portion and 4 12 on the portion over the porch.
For the deck of the screened portion I used 2 x 8's and for the front 4' of the porch I used 2 x 6's.
This will give the door something to close against.
I also pre wired the building and just insereted the wires into the posts as I stood the walls up.
This worked well and did not have fish any wires.
I see. You have done great so far. Keep posting updates, I hope to follow along as you finish. :)
agree with Don. Look really cool!
Jeff
Taking a trip up to my land this weekend. Won't have much time to work but should get some of the loose ends tied up.
I have been working on my screen frames. I also started to buy the "Novelty siding" for under my screens. I will cut to sze and stain the first coat before installing.
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Went up to my land for a couple of days.
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This is the door I made. I bought 5/4 stock and it seemed to work out well.
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Still have the gabel ends to finish and corner boards to make.
I think I will wait till it is cooler to shingle the roof.
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Nice progress. How are you going to finish the corners?
Just basic corner boards. I will carry the front ones over the sides to cover the end grain.
Wonderful job, how did you make the posts, were they 2x4 or 2x6 mitered. What a great idea, because most 4x4 posts warp or split, this way it's stable. I actually used this method to make legs for a craftsmen style dining room table I made for my niece and her family
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I got the plan from Popular Mechanics (http://www.popularmechanics.com/home_journal/woodworking/1273281.html?page=1)
I made it from pine since it was my first nice piece, didn't want to use oak my first time.
But when I saw your project, I thought what a great idea for timberframe type posts. Thats the same as the table I made.
One more thing, how did you figure out your trusses? I was thinking of useing the same duel pitch type roof as one side of the gable is longer then the other? Any tips... Thanx ahead.
Thanks for the positive comments.
I build each post out of three 2 x 6's. I ripped one down so that when nailed together the post was 5 1/2" square. It worked out well when I was running the electric. I drilled hole in the deck and ran the power before erecting the walls. I had previously cut out the posts for electrical boxes and then just pushed the wire up the post as I stood them up.
As for the trusses I used a 8 12 pitch on the back portion and a 4 12 pitch on the front.
Did you just come up with this plan yourself? If so you are very ingenious... figuring out how everything would fit together, building the trusses.. [cool]
It is hard to believe how the project slows down when the main portion is complete
I was at the camp for a week and worked two complete days to go from this..
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To this... I installed the corner boards, some of the trim and added the rough sawn lumber on the eves that will later get battens.
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I did take some time off to ride the four wheeler, take out the canoe and climb a mountain.
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Hey! Looking good!!
Thanks don
I am going up this weekend and hope to get all the trim up.
I have the trailer loaded with the trim stock aready stained and the baton boards cut and stained as well.
Plan completing the roof sometime soon.
Way cool, literally!
I had a good weekend and got most of the facsia and soffit materials completed. I have been staining everything on all four side before I put it up and ran out of materials so I hope to finish next weekend.
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This is the board and batten siding that I plan to use on my future cabin. At $.60 a foot for 10" wide planks the price seems right and I like the look
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I ran out of material to finish the soffits but I had enough so I could finish the Battons on this side.
Soon it's on to the roof....
That cliff view looks like a shot from the movie Last of the Mohicans [sp].
Went up for a three day weekend.
Put a ceiling on the front porch, found that birds were starting to use my screen house as their own.
I like this material it was on $17.00 a sheet at lowes. I think I will do the entire inside ceiling with this material in the spring.
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I also finished all the trim work and all that is left to do is to shingle the roof.
I am taking next week off and I am going to do the shingling.
Is there anything I need to know about shingling a roof with the change of pitches?
It seems like I should end the bottom rows at the point of the pitch change?
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You sure are making me think about building a small screen house. Looking good. [cool]
It appears that your pitch difference is very gradual. I would probably just continue from the porch to the ridge. That way it would be continous with little chance for leaks. If it was steeper then a pitch diverter would probably be required and other actions might have needed to take place.
I used a similar product from Lowes to do the soffit area of my cabin. It is rough and doesn't take protective finish very well. I stained mine with a oil based stain. Interior ceiling might collect dust.
I went up this week and got my roof complete. Everything went very well, I had no issue with the pitch change. I did have an issues with the temperature. One of the only days this year in the 90's up there. I had to stop and finish the next day.
Can I say I am complete? Once I put the last Shingle on the roof I was telling myself I am complete. It seems that now I can think of many small projects still to do. My brother inlaw is going to cut some steel Brackets for the top of the front posts. We are going to paint them flat black and use some square ended lag bolts. I also still have not decided what type of railing I want to do on the porch
Here is the "Final" product.
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I took this picture at night I thought the lights made for a cool looking picture.
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Looks like a good job. Should help keep the bugs away during dinner or dominoes.
Very nice. Your screen house looks great. And I am surprized how quickly you finished it all. You have a lot of talent and skill.
Looks real nice. With a little gravel around the the foundation to keep the mud from splashing up on the sills and a little protective sealant to the sills and post and you will be set. Good job.
This is a great starter project and a handsome job.
Wow!!! I really like your idea and how well it finished out.
Fact I want one of them for us. We have a perfect spot for one.
Any ideas how many hours you might have into it?
rlr
That looks GREAT! I don't recall what part of the country you're in, but a future project could be to build vinyl window panels to enclose the screenhouse to extend usability during the winter. Alternately, you could have them fabricated by a marine canvas house.
-- Pritch
Quote from: rick91351 on August 23, 2009, 12:26:00 PM
Wow!!! I really like your idea and how well it finished out.
Fact I want one of them for us. We have a perfect spot for one.
Any ideas how many hours you might have into it?
rlr
Not sure how many hours I have into this project. I started in the early spring pre building my project. I worked many days off at home in the garage. I also pre stained every piece of wood I put on the building. I will be staining the entire project once more in the spring. I had all the framing parts ie. Trusses and walls pre built and it took a solid week of work to put in the foundation, raise the walls and put on the roof sheving.
I am 5 hours away from my land so pre building is important. I have used three of my vacations,on sight, to get my project to this stage.
Quote from: Pritch on August 23, 2009, 01:24:40 PM
That looks GREAT! I don't recall what part of the country you're in, but a future project could be to build vinyl window panels to enclose the screenhouse to extend usability during the winter. Alternately, you could have them fabricated by a marine canvas house.
-- Pritch
I am in the adirondack mountains and I am going to put plastic over the screens this winter but I like the idea vinyl panels for the winter. Maybe a project for next summer. Thanks for the Idea.
Very nice job!!! Two thumbs up!! :)
Thanks Don,
As I said before I used your Idea of the screen house as an inspiration.
Tom
I'm proud to be that small part of the well turned out project. :D
Looks very inviting! Nice job :)
Went up this weekend to do some snowmobiling.
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Looks like my screen house is holding up well.
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[cool] It probably felt good to get up there and see that it's handling winter fine! :)
Those pictures put a new meaning to the phrase "seasonal use". But it will be ready to be occupied by late spring as it is holding up well.
[cool] Wow, pictures like these would make Norman Rockwell smile-----looks like home here in Alaska. Nothing like a fresh blanket of snow to make the world look clean and new.
Spent some time at camp this week and had a chance to install the railings and get everything stained!
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Turned out very well. Nice going.
Wow!! That is a fantastic screened house!!
Can't believe its been 7 years since I built my screen house. I spent most of last week re-staining and updating the inside.
Here are a few pictures of the before.
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I removed all the screens and installed a ceiling as well as ship lap on the inside walls.
Some after pictures..
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Not sure about the color, may have to repaint. lol
I also re-stained the siding, Before...
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After...
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