Obama releases birth certificate, born in Hawaii.
http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2011/04/27/white-house-releases-obama-birth-certificate/?hpt=T1&iref=BN1
Tea Party heads explode. Seriously, anybody who ever believed otherwise is an idiot. The evidence has always been overwhelming.
counting down to 'It's fake"
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Politically, never should have done this. Makes his opponents look crazy
Hasn't been seriously analyzed yet.....we will see. His Grandma says she was present in Kenya when he was born.... His wife says Kenya... He is motivated to shut up the critics... Looks like motive to me. [waiting]
And that didn't take long
More here
http://i2.cdn.turner.com/cnn/2011/images/04/27/obama-birth-certificate-correspondence.pdf?hpt=C1
Quote from: Ajax on April 27, 2011, 08:50:13 AM
Obama releases birth certificate, born in Hawaii.
http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2011/04/27/white-house-releases-obama-birth-certificate/?hpt=T1&iref=BN1
Tea Party heads explode. Seriously, anybody who ever believed otherwise is an idiot. The evidence has always been overwhelming.
counting down to 'It's fake"
3
2
1
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Politically, never should have done this. Makes his opponents look crazy
That won't surprise anyone Ajax.
Yes Obama was born in the USA....but WHO is Obama? Is it the man in the White House or was the REAL Obama mugged at birth by an evil African man who stole his birth certificate, cell phone and hit him up aside his head with his 9.
Stay tuned for the real answers the Donald will dig up! c*
BREAKING NEWS!!!!!!!
The Real Barack Obama revealed:
(http://images.theage.com.au/2009/06/26/605963/jackson5-600x400.jpg)
QuoteIn other words, the U.S. Senate defines "natural born citizen" as an individual who was born:
On American soil (which includes U.S. overseas military bases); and
Of parents who were American citizens at the time of the child's birth.
By that definition, Obama is not a Natural Born Citizen — even if he produces definitive documentary proof he was born in Hawaii — because his father, Barack Hussein Obama, Sr., was a native Kenyan and a British colonial subject who gave his Kenyan citizenship to his son. In fact, by pro-Obama FactCheck.org's own admission, Obama was a Kenyan citizen until his Kenyan citizenship expired on August 4, 1984 after he had reached adulthood.
http://fellowshipofminds.wordpress.com/2011/04/25/by-u-s-senates-definition-obama-is-not-a-natural-born-citizen/
He proved he is not eligible if the cert is legit. Daddy is a Kenyan Citizen.
(http://msnbcmedia2.msn.com/j/MSNBC/Components/Photo/_new/pb-110427-obama-birth-cert-full-jm.grid-4x2.jpg)
http://msnbcmedia.msn.com/i/MSNBC/Sections/NEWS/A_Politics/longformbirthcertificate.pdf
Quote from: glenn kangiser
He proved he is not eligible if the cert is legit. Daddy is a Kenyan Citizen.
Suggest you re-read the 14th amendment
Quote from: Ajax on April 27, 2011, 09:57:48 AM
Suggest you re-read the 14th amendment
I thought they deleted that along with the 1st, 2end and 4th ???
Quote from: glenn kangiser on April 27, 2011, 09:45:41 AM
http://fellowshipofminds.wordpress.com/2011/04/25/by-u-s-senates-definition-obama-is-not-a-natural-born-citizen/
He proved he is not eligible if the cert is legit. Daddy is a Kenyan Citizen.
(http://msnbcmedia2.msn.com/j/MSNBC/Components/Photo/_new/pb-110427-obama-birth-cert-full-jm.grid-4x2.jpg)
http://msnbcmedia.msn.com/i/MSNBC/Sections/NEWS/A_Politics/longformbirthcertificate.pdf
This is sophistry at it's very best.
The author claims that the Senate resolution says;
"In other words, the U.S. Senate defines "natural born citizen" as an individual who was born:
1.On American soil (which includes U.S. overseas military bases);
and2.Of parents who were American citizens at the time of the child's birth."
When if fact it says that the president needs to be born on Ameican soil (as the Constitution states)
OR be born on a US military base to an American parent. NOT BOTH.
But for those who want to believe that Obama is not one of us, no amount of documentation is going to change their minds.
There never was any doubt that the President was a citizen and now we have one more piece of evidence to prove it. As if we needed more.
Doesn't matter if BOTH parents are non-citizens-----born on US soil makes you US citizen unless you formally renounce US citizenship. Many are eligible for dual citizenships on various grounds in some countries. I.E. Spain----if your grandparents were Spanish citizens, you can apply for Spanish citizenship and obtain a Spanish passport-----Israel is another example----any Jew can exercise their right to Israeli citizenship. there are many others. US Constitution says "natural born" as the qualifier---Supreme Court has never ruled on the precise meaning of that phrase. Back in 1964 claims were made that Barry Goldwater was ineligible because he was born in Arizona before it became a State in 1912. Earlier in our history several other Presidents were accused of being non-eligible on similar specious grounds.
I am not an Obama supporter at all but, the non-citizen argument does not appear to be correct.
True, only the supreme court can rule on the exact contititutional definition of "natural born citizen".
1.On American soil (which includes U.S. overseas military bases); and
2.Of parents who were American citizens at the time of the child's birth."
rofl
Only one decision has ever held this and that was in Dredd Scott. It held that a slave was never an American because his citizenship was inherited from his parents and that they were not citizens and it didn't matter that he was born in the U.S.. It sparked the civil war and was quickly overturned. If this interpretation held true almost no black people in the U.S. would ever be citizens. Also, all those Mexicans are sneaking over the border to have children for no reason. Oh, many Italians and Irish decedents would also not be citizens. If you follow the logic through there are almost no American citizens because every time you traced the lineage back to a non-u.s. citizen at the time of the child's birth the whole lineage aren't Americans. Crazy.
I think a bigger point has been missed. Donald Trump made the worlds most powerful man jump. How long has this been going on, 2 years now? Yet Trump was able to make the man jump and provide the long form. So if Trump can make the POTUS react what other things can Trump do? The man now has my attention.
Quote from: StinkerBell on April 27, 2011, 12:06:06 PM
I think a bigger point has been missed. Donald Trump made the worlds most powerful man jump. How long has this been going on, 2 years now? Yet Trump was able to make the man jump and provide the long form. So if Trump can make the POTUS react what other things can Trump do? The man now has my attention.
That's a good point and one I've thought abut. Obama definitely blinked.
While he does have my attention, I still have to wonder what kind of President he'd make.
My gut feeling is that he sure can't be any worse than we've had over the last 20 years or so....but he's also from New York >:(
I feel like I am trumping Donald's horn here....but I do not think any special interest owns him. I gotta tell ya that is appealing to me. I do not agree with eveything he represents, but he has caught my attention the last few weeks. He makes some very good points when it comes to oil and dealing with China and he did something that no media or any other person could do in the last 2 years. It is the 'no one owns him' is what first of all I find is appealing and how he just isn't so PC and calls things as he see's them even if he is not completely correct.
He's certainly added some action to a somewhat boring 2012 field of candidates-----
By the way, did you hear that the guy who probably helped Obama get elected the most just died? He was the inventor of the TelePrompter---Hubert Schalfly
Obama's birth certificate has been viewable online to anyone who cares to see it for over three years now.
The Donald didn't make anything happen. He's nothing but a self promoting, egomaniacal, huckster.
I don't care if he was born in the White House, and his parents were the President and First Lady at the time- I still don't like him! d*
There's another angle to the mystery that is Obama.
He lived in Indonesia with his adopted father and birth mother. By Indonesian law all students attending public school had to be Indonesian citizens and a Muslim.
I could care less about the Muslim part. The facts seem to point that Obama's adopted dad had Obama's citizenship revoked so he could attend school.
Ask yourself why Obama released it today? Possible to distract from Helicopter Ben Bernanke's media circus, and all the other economic news. Such as the IMF declaring, "The Age of America", is over.
I wont go into the issue of the birth certificate, or citizenship, or passports, or his college aid money as a foreign student issues. Or even into why he spent so much money and political capital refusing to just show it.
I will just say that the official pdf looks terrible to me, is he just adding fuel to the fire? It's like he is antagonizing these guys.
Here is the official link:
http://www.whitehouse.gov/sites/default/files/rss_viewer/birth-certificate-long-form.pdf
go get it, open in your pdf viewer, zoom in 1000% or whatever your max is.
Look in the top right corner, why is the Department of Health number look so terrible? It is anti-aliased and shows it has been edited. Look at the dates, item 22, lower right, the font color is different from surrounding text. Same with item 20 on the left hand side.
Why release something that will be questioned and just create more inflammatory response. Those who will believe will believe, those who wont, wont. This release does nothing to settle anything because it looks terrible. It is not a picture of a document or a scan because the of the obvious image flaws. More circus.
thats what is on the whitehouse.gov site. it's not a copy of something else, not a news release, that what the whitehouse put out today on their site.
(http://loopy.org/wth.jpg)
Field 20 and 22 would appear to be imprints made by one of those old rubber band date stamp things that every office used to have. :-\ One could also find fault with the "K" in Kenya (field 11), the "S" in Stanley (field 13), part of the "K" in Kansas (field 16) and the "R": in Barack (field 1A), part of the "l" in male (field 2). The "O" in Oahu (field 6b) may be suspect too. ??? Even a couple of the letters in field 7c, ones that would have been on the blank printed form look suspect ("S" in State and the "Co" in Country). ::) What about field 7e? The typewritten X and the "o" in the form printed word "no" appear to have the same "photoshop" flaws. The ink in the word "None" in field 17a appear to be of two colors/densities.
Strangely too, some of those items I noted above completely disappear when the document is magnified enough in a web browser window :o The background color also disappears at the same time. However in Acrobat the letters do not drop. Go figure that too. Adobe must be in on the conspiracy too. Yessir! :D
(tongue firmly in cheek)
Lookit that. I just wasted a bunch of time. d*
If you look at the document as a whole, you can see it is copied out of a book. This puts a curvature and fading to the document. Also it is up the quality of second rate government equipment and half assed government employees. The problem becomes pronounced with color copies. I run into this a lot from work. Remember, this was just some document that no one gave a crap about at the time or for 50 years. It's not the constitution. But muldoon, you are right, people looking for it to be attacked will have a problem if it isn't perfect and if it was perfect, they would attack it because it was 50 years old and should be imperfect. Look that the individividual attacking that his father is listed as african and not "negro". When you challenge a person's belief most people double down.
from http://www.usconstitution.net/consttop_citi.html FWIW
Who is a natural-born citizen? Who, in other words, is a citizen at birth, such that that person can be a President someday?
The 14th Amendment defines citizenship this way: "All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside." But even this does not get specific enough. As usual, the Constitution provides the framework for the law, but it is the law that fills in the gaps. The Constitution authorizes the Congress to do create clarifying legislation in Section 5 of the 14th Amendment; the Constitution, in Article 1, Section 8, Clause 4, also allows the Congress to create law regarding naturalization, which includes citizenship.
Currently, Title 8 of the U.S. Code fills in the gaps left by the Constitution. Section 1401 defines the following as people who are "citizens of the United States at birth:"
Anyone born inside the United States *
Any Indian or Eskimo born in the United States, provided being a citizen of the U.S. does not impair the person's status as a citizen of the tribe
Any one born outside the United States, both of whose parents are citizens of the U.S., as long as one parent has lived in the U.S.
Any one born outside the United States, if one parent is a citizen and lived in the U.S. for at least one year and the other parent is a U.S. national
Any one born in a U.S. possession, if one parent is a citizen and lived in the U.S. for at least one year
Any one found in the U.S. under the age of five, whose parentage cannot be determined, as long as proof of non-citizenship is not provided by age 21
Any one born outside the United States, if one parent is an alien and as long as the other parent is a citizen of the U.S. who lived in the U.S. for at least five years (with military and diplomatic service included in this time)
A final, historical condition: a person born before 5/24/1934 of an alien father and a U.S. citizen mother who has lived in the U.S.
* There is an exception in the law — the person must be "subject to the jurisdiction" of the United States. This would exempt the child of a diplomat, for example, from this provision.
Race of Father
African
???
:o
;D
More tampering with the official document - the texture was added to the purported official document --why bother with that if you were not covering other tampering?
http://www.henrymakow.com/imaging_expert_reports_obama_b.html
Good sleuthing there Don. Maybe we will get to the bottom of this newest coverup yet.
Windpower, there is also good circumstantial evidence that Stanley Ann's father is his real father and a maid was his mother and Stanley Ann covered for her dad.... She apparently didn't show pregnancy at the proper time and.... rushed off to college nearly immediately.... so I wonder if his father should not be listed as Caucasian?
Maybe that is why it took them so long to alter the document then Photoshop the "Official" looking texture over it?
Just trying to figure out why they went to the trouble of doing all of that sloppy Photoshop work....don't git yer knickers in a knot, guys... :)
Quote from: muldoon on April 27, 2011, 07:19:55 PM
thats what is on the whitehouse.gov site. it's not a copy of something else, not a news release, that what the whitehouse put out today on their site.
(http://loopy.org/wth.jpg)
Look at that... the last number, one, is Photoshopped in. Note the pixelated number compared to the other tampered with typewritten or stamped number. They need to get someone who is better with Photoshop. Must have had to change someone else's Cert of live birth and change the number range to one that would fit the time period? Not even the same size pixels and the colors are off from the rest. They should have copied and pasted one of the other ones to make it look more realistic.
hmm What is the motivation to fake a Birth Cert and present it as factual?....... [noidea'
More Photoshop info
QuoteReady for something really weird though?
It actually -is- shopped :).
Pull the pdf file off the whitehouse.gov server, open it up in illustrator, pull the clipping masks apart.
This image is a series of layers put on top of each other - not - a scanned document. Stuff has been added on top of the original document. Try it for yourself!
http://www.boingboing.net/2011/04/27/shopped-i-can-tell-b.html#comments
PDF layers
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EgVIei87oFo&feature=player_embedded
Quote from: MountainDon on April 27, 2011, 08:58:33 PM
from http://www.usconstitution.net/consttop_citi.html FWIW
Any one born outside the United States, if one parent is an alien and as long as the other parent is a citizen of the U.S. who lived in the U.S. for at least five years (with military and diplomatic service included in this time)
Excellent research, reasoning, and ability to read the constitution and the plain letter of the law Don. This is what I find the most outrageous part of this sideshow. Not that the general public refuses to acknowledge the law of the land in favor of personal prejudices, but that there are members of the legal profession, licensed practicing attorneys, that have chosen to deliberately turn a blind eye to the law. Almost all have been sanctioned or disbarred by the legal profession, but they don't care because they take advantage of people ignorance to garner large speaking fees. It is good politics, but bad legal practice.
I would think that making a copy of the form from the book would indeed make certain aspects look off. As the page bends and the copy is made it would look odd. The only thing that bothers me but not enough to say it is a fake is the race issue. That bothered me the most with the short form to. It would be interesting to find someone else with at least one parent if not both of color listed during the same time period. Or even the same time period with at least one parent from a foreign country. For example if a parent was from China would it say Chinesse or wouldit say Asian? I wish we never did this on birth certificates or anyting imo this creates issues of division.**note I said interesting but not demanding this.
I do not think that there was a family cover up because they knew this child might one day be president. However, I could believe a cover up would be done in order to possibly collect welfare or state income so his mom could go to college or coninue with college. I could see the grandparent's doing this for the best interestof their daughter. Maybe knowing the marriage would not work out.
I just do not like his politics nor the way he has run the office. At the sametime I can say there is no one on the otherside I could vote for either(I do find Trump entertaining...but that is not enough). Both parties leave a bad taste in my mouth. Republican/Democrat is like choosing between hospital food and airline food, leaves a bad taste.
Government is to big, to wasteful and to powerful. It has for many many decades been redistributing wealth with no succes. The goverment is a big ponzi scheme and politics/politicians and the office they hold is a pyramid scheme.
I really do not want a politician to run anything. They are the ones who got us into this mess and continue with their way of thinking. I want someone outside to come in. This includes senators and congress. Term limits and restrictions on benefits and a balance budget amendment, Those are the talking points for me.
Politicians all serve their own and their owners interests. Nearly none represent the will of their constituents. Look at the bailout as an example, the flu hoaxes, 9/11, foreign policy, attack and occupation of Libya, Iraq, Afghanistan... protecting their investments and increasing their wealth. (Don't worry.... Libya will soon be an occupation also).
Man will never rule himself successfully.
Stinky....I am concerned.... you are so serious... We could get Sarah Palin for a leader. Blow in her ear for a refill of thoughts and ideas.....
Yeah, I have changed my views again too. I liked her when I thought she was cute but she kept talking and overcame that.
To tell the truth, nobody will do better than Obama either. They are simply puppets doing the will of their masters. Look at the promises he came in on. He may have even meant it at first. Then reality set in. His masters in CFR, PNAC and other big business, manufacturing, corporate and military called in their markers. You will note that he is continuing the exact policies of Bush who was the puppet of his masters also....even though he claimed to come in on opposite principles.
You think attacking Pakistan and Libya was his idea? Dig deeper... scripted for him... he is just obeying. Not original thinking...for crying out loud....everything he does is read from a teleprompter and on his own his thoughts and speech are so much less clear. A very good reader though... he can take commands.
OK
here is the website for the hospital where our 'president' was born
proof it is a real hospital -- not made up
http://www.kapiolani.org/women-and-children/about-us/default.aspx
quote
This is the story of two hospitals: Kauikeolani Children's Hospital and Kapi'olani Maternity Home.
Concerned about the welfare of Hawaii's mothers, Queen Kapi'olani held luau and bazaars to raise the $8,000 needed to open Kapi'olani Maternity Home in 1890. She endowed her legacy with "Kulia i ka nu'u" or "Strive for the highest."
In 1908, Albert and Emma Kauikeolani Wilcox donated $50,000 to start a children's hospital. The community, concerned that two of every seven infants in Hawai'i did not live to see their first birthday, rallied to match the Wilcox's gift. A year later, Kauikeolani Children's Hospital opened.
The two hospitals joined in 1978 to become Kapi'olani Medical Center for Women & Children. Staying true to its mission, the non-profit hospital has played a vital role in the health of Hawaii's women, children and adolescents. It is staffed with highly skilled, compassionate physicians and nurses, dedicated to providing the finest care for Hawaii's families:
unquote
(OK the bold was mine)
My question is
if Obama was born in 1961 ---Why did the author of the birth certificate make up a name for the hospital that didn't exist until 1978 ?
it is indeed shocking that the White house could not afford a better forger
Guys...I often don't make serous comments to these threads because everything is guesswork....but...
Really, who cares?
FACTS:
He's in office.
He's a worthless SOB. Even most blacks agree with that now.
There's very little that can be done to remove him right now.
Elections are coming.
I'd rather spend time on trying to get someone decent for a change, in office next term, than crying over spilled milk.
Obviously, I've chosen my wording to suit a family board. ;D
Bill Hicks
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IX2jcNlofO4
You're right Peter!
I am liking Allen West. I have no idea if he would run. I like how he handles himself.
****NOTE My opinion is subject to change based on facts that are unknown at this time.
****NOTE My opinion is subject to change because I am a woman and have moments of insanity.
Good research there, Windpower.... as the hoax grows....
I get it, it is a joke
look at the registrar that signed at the bottom, is it really
Ukulele
(http://lh3.googleusercontent.com/public/PO8iSXFZ7B8J5A6I0ls2OaBdPqrO9Mpli8mW8-Rv7bihw22lX2_Kym93zaxAWa5dt-yULyGwhQ5fKN4I0tVUOet4av6gSiGb7XyQRVtQtz7YaqIw8uShG6_QTFw2FP3_smoboBeBhdGb)
Just remember the walls have ears...
You are not kidding, Tickhill.... all securely recorded by Echelon and the newer illegal unconstitutional spy programs, and we will all be hauled off to the Halliburton Concentration Camps by DHS.....
hmm I thought it was... The Hills Have Eyes....
(https://i169.photobucket.com/albums/u227/akirademon/hills_have_eyes_01.jpg)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_profilepage&v=950QR9a7My8
How the fake was made.
Notice the "B" is 100% identicle down to the last pixel -- compare to the other scanned letters
only one way to do that -- and it is not with a scanner
C&P
(http://tumetuestumefaisdubien.sweb.cz/Obama_BC_detail.PNG)
Funny how everyone now sees that it is a fake - it's all over everywhere on the net - emails - everywhere...... and yet he is still in office and no one cares or is doing anything about it....because deep down they know that the Republicans and Democrats are just a ploy... a sham... two sides of the same coin being flipped by the same owner..... two puppets in the same puppet show with their strings being manipulated by two hands of the same puppet master.
Nothing will be done about it without the government putting a fierce stop to it if their owners want it that way. The rulers are above Obama ...and Osama..... We are simply peons wandering around listlessly baaing and contentedly chewing our cuds.....
Glenn:
I agree with most of what you say. . .
As individuals we want to complain but we do nothing about it. We do not want to be the leader of the cause. . . Leaders end up paying a big price when fighting the bad guys. Expect to be intimidated, threatened, audited, etc. Worse case - you will be heart-attacked, a plane crash victim, etc . . .
The followers quickly lose interest when the cause becomes unsuccessful. We know we aren't going to win . . . "You can't fight city hall"
Opponents of Slick Willy were immediately put on the tax audit list. . . You know what happened to the rest of them.
Become the leader . . . We will support you until we realize it is futile. . . Then we will abandon you. . . Leaving you to hold the bag.
/.
I'm not saying I can do anything about it or that I expect anyone else to. Reality is as you say. I do like to know what they are up to and I just like to be able to see reality for what it is.
Not pretend it is something else because they want us too. At least I can control my own thinking and keep myself seeing reality rather than letting it be swayed by their constant barrage of lies and false propaganda. Something has to be said for keeping a free mind. Should we give them our minds too?
I have no hope in man successfully ruling anything.
I'm content to let them enjoy their rule for as long as it lasts. One of those, I'll leave them alone if they leave me alone situations. It's not my place to make them answer for what they do.
What does it matter? Maybe only a fringe group of society cares to obsess over this instead of actually reading the law. If you would like, you can read Don's post of the actual law that it doesn't matter if he was born on Mars. That is the law of the U.S. Who cares where he is born? Or is that the reality you are trying to free yourself from?
Glenn, Windpower, is anyone willing to dispute that his mother was a citizen? Or are women still just property and don't count in society.
In the normal legal system there are questions of fact and questions of law. Fine, anyone can dispute the question of fact where he was born, but as a question of law, it doesn't matter.
Quote from: glenn kangiser on May 12, 2011, 12:55:29 AM
Funny how everyone now sees that it is a fake -
Really? Since when do you speak for
everyoneWith all due respect, you guys have lost touch with reality. Even most conservatives and most of the birthers have abandoned you.
But keep going Don Quixote. You seem to have a need to keep this sham going.
I agree that we are or at least aspire to be a nation of laws.
As such, it is clear that the question of Obama's status as a natural born citizen, where there is clearly a question of his qualification to be President, needs to be determined in a court.
Items that cast doubt on his qualification
His maternal grand mother said she was at his birth in Kenya
Obama tacitly admitted he was not a natural born citizen in his debate with Alan Keyes for the Senate seat
In response to Keyes assertion that Obama was not a natural born citizen 'That doesn't matter I am running for the Senate not President'
Kenyan Ambassador confirms Obama born in Kenya
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zH4GX3Otf14&feature=related
and the blatant fraud of the latest released Birth Certificate
It would seem to me that the clause in (my) bold is the relevent qualifier. So therefore the question of Obama's father's status would seem to be the determining factor.
The definition of US national is provided (from the same website)
Therefore if Obama was born in Kenya (as there seems to be significant evidence to support ) then under the clauses below, Obama does not meet the specific Constitutional requirements to hold the office of President of the United States.
quote from (bold emphasis mine)
http://www.usconstitution.net/consttop_citi.html
Natural-born citizen
Who is a natural-born citizen? Who, in other words, is a citizen at birth, such that that person can be a President someday?
The 14th Amendment defines citizenship this way: "All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside." But even this does not get specific enough. As usual, the Constitution provides the framework for the law, but it is the law that fills in the gaps. The Constitution authorizes the Congress to do create clarifying legislation in Section 5 of the 14th Amendment; the Constitution, in Article 1, Section 8, Clause 4, also allows the Congress to create law regarding naturalization, which includes citizenship.
Currently, Title 8 of the U.S. Code fills in the gaps left by the Constitution. Section 1401 defines the following as people who are "citizens of the United States at birth:"
Anyone born inside the United States *
Any Indian or Eskimo born in the United States, provided being a citizen of the U.S. does not impair the person's status as a citizen of the tribe
Any one born outside the United States, both of whose parents are citizens of the U.S., as long as one parent has lived in the U.S.
Any one born outside the United States, if one parent is a citizen and lived in the U.S. for at least one year and the other parent is a U.S. national
Any one born in a U.S. possession, if one parent is a citizen and lived in the U.S. for at least one year
Any one found in the U.S. under the age of five, whose parentage cannot be determined, as long as proof of non-citizenship is not provided by age 21
Any one born outside the United States, if one parent is an alien and as long as the other parent is a citizen of the U.S. who lived in the U.S. for at least five years (with military and diplomatic service included in this time)
A final, historical condition: a person born before 5/24/1934 of an alien father and a U.S. citizen mother who has lived in the U.S.
U.S. Nationals
A "national" is a person who is considered under the legal protection of a country, while not necessarily a citizen. National status is generally conferred on persons who lived in places acquired by the U.S. before the date of acquisition. A person can be a national-at-birth under a similar set of rules for a natural-born citizen. U.S. nationals must go through the same processes as an immigrant to become a full citizen. U.S. nationals who become citizens are not considered natural-born.
http://www.usconstitution.net/consttop_citi.html
Windpower,
It's interesting that you either didn't see, or didn't want to see, this sentence from you own post above;
Any one born outside the United States, if one parent is an alien and as long as the other parent is a citizen of the U.S. who lived in the U.S. for at least five years (with military and diplomatic service included in this time)
Even if we go by the preposterous notion that Obama wasn't born in Hawaii, since his mother was born in Kansas and lived in the US for most of her life, he would still be a US citizen .
Maybe you should read your own posts.
Maybe a court of law need to determine the facts and the relevent legalities
Or......., you could read your own post above (reply #46) and drop this ridiculous charade. d*
Quote from: archimedes on May 12, 2011, 10:16:15 AM
Or......., you could read your own post above (reply #46) and drop this ridiculous charade. d*
Seriuosly, give it up. These guys can find a conspiracy in a jar of mayonnaise.
Quote from: Windpower on May 12, 2011, 10:08:48 AM
Maybe a court of law need to determine the facts and the relevent legalities
Courts of law deliberately decline to hear arguments on clearly written letters of the law. Like the exact post you just made. It is usually considered a waste of the courts time if the law is so plainly written and clear. They are called frivolous lawsuits. The people that bring them are usually sanctioned in some way. The law is not a conspiracy.
What is interesting is that this has been the law since almost the beginning of the country. The precedent was set in one of the first acts of congress defined "the children of citizens of the United States, that may be born beyond sea, or out of the limits of the United States, shall be considered as natural born citizens: Provided, That the right of citizenship shall not descend to persons whose fathers have never been resident in the United States.""
http://rs6.loc.gov/cgi-bin/ampage?collId=llsl&fileName=001/llsl001.db&recNum=226
The equal protection clauses of the constitution giving women the rights of citizenship instead of being property would extend that. Yet some people still don't consider women to be much more than property.
Quote from: Windpower on May 12, 2011, 09:50:39 AM
Anyone born inside the United States *
Any Indian or Eskimo born in the United States, provided being a citizen of the U.S. does not impair the person's status as a citizen of the tribe
Any one born outside the United States, both of whose parents are citizens of the U.S., as long as one parent has lived in the U.S.
Any one born outside the United States, if one parent is a citizen and lived in the U.S. for at least one year and the other parent is a U.S. national
Any one born in a U.S. possession, if one parent is a citizen and lived in the U.S. for at least one year
Any one found in the U.S. under the age of five, whose parentage cannot be determined, as long as proof of non-citizenship is not provided by age 21
Any one born outside the United States, if one parent is an alien and as long as the other parent is a citizen of the U.S. who lived in the U.S. for at least five years (with military and diplomatic service included in this time)
A final, historical condition: a person born before 5/24/1934 of an alien father and a U.S. citizen mother who has lived in the U.S.
Interesting to see the art of cherry picking at work... The father has no claim to being a US National, but would very much have been classed as an alien.
I just want to know why they keep releasing fake birth certificates. Doesn't matter where he was born. Maybe a deliberate distraction?
We appreciate the time and hard work of the individuals that have been enlightening us. Very informative! I guess it makes good conversation. Since nobody will do anything about it. Unfortunately the "bad" guys normally win in the end. No one now-a-days has the backbone to standup for their "moral" beliefs.
Resistance is futile! "If you can't beat them, join them". (You'll sleep better at night not knowing)
And ScottA: Yes, it probably is a deliberate distraction. . . Well timed, for reasons we may never know.
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Yaaaaaawwwwnnnnnnnnhhh!!!!!!
If you detectives will take these "theories" (and $3.00) to your local coffee shop, you can buy a latte!
Take them down to your local bar and maybe you can sell them to that guy who's always sitting on the corner stool (if you buy him a beer).
QuoteThe Republicans and Democrats are just a ploy... a sham... two sides of the same coin being flipped by the same owner..... two puppets in the same puppet show with their strings being manipulated by two hands of the same puppet master.
Well said!
Again, nothing will change since most people in the know profit from it somehow. . . Others will do nothing since they are on the Governments teat and unwilling to speak up.
I just laugh to myself when I'm told that we can vote these types out of office. Right!
"It's not the ones who votes that counts . . . But, the ones who counts the votes".
Even Independents have no chance if elected. Take Jesse Ventura - Governor for the State of Minnesota. He was unable to get anything done. . . Both Republicans and Democrats ganged up on him. Probably first time they agreed on anything.
BTW: Most politicians and talk show hosts - The Messiahs that have opposing views are just as much the problem.
Yes! They are "allowed" to speak up to their audiences. Lets the average guy feel that there is someone "talking for him". In reality, they are also profiteers.
I better stop! Starting to sound like a conspiracy to me! ;D
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from Faux news, would they lie?
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2011/04/29/expert-says-obamas-birth-certificate-legit/ (http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2011/04/29/expert-says-obamas-birth-certificate-legit/)
reading this side of the forum (which I generally don't) has influenced me in fashion
(https://i999.photobucket.com/albums/af112/astidham80/misc/hat.jpg)
work wont let me wear it though :(
Quote from: astidham on May 12, 2011, 05:27:03 PM
from Faux news, would they lie?
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2011/04/29/expert-says-obamas-birth-certificate-legit/ (http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2011/04/29/expert-says-obamas-birth-certificate-legit/)
Surely, this "expert" is a shill. . . Part of the scam . . . Paid off by the conspirators.
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Gotta add my few pennies to the mix....it is all moot. Does not matter what anyone thinks. We are better served, imo to learn how to store, plant and gather food. Stock pile it along with guns and amo. When this country falls, and there is a good chance it will. We need to be prepared and this is just a distraction for us. We need to focus.
Just because he is a citizen doesn't mean that he is an American! There are plenty of them (democrats and republicans) that seem to be anti-American these days.