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Title: The Path to Legal Tiny Houses
Post by: MountainDon on November 07, 2016, 01:39:30 PM
A tiny-house code appendix is being voted on by the ICC in November.

story (http://www.finehomebuilding.com/2016/11/02/path-legal-tiny-houses?source=w2999enl&utm_source=eletter&utm_medium=eletter&utm_content=fhb_eletter&utm_campaign=fine-homebuilding-eletter)
Title: Re: The Path to Legal Tiny Houses
Post by: BlueRidge on December 10, 2016, 06:15:06 PM

The Appendix passed and will go into affect in 2018.  Tiny houses will be legal, and will not be constrained by zoning or minimum square footage requirements.
Title: Re: The Path to Legal Tiny Houses
Post by: MountainDon on December 10, 2016, 07:31:23 PM
link?
Title: Re: The Path to Legal Tiny Houses
Post by: BlueRidge on December 10, 2016, 07:39:25 PM


http://www.builderonline.com/building/code/supporters-celebrate-tiny-house-appendix-to-icc-building-code_o

Goes in effect 2018, great!
Title: Re: The Path to Legal Tiny Houses
Post by: MountainDon on December 10, 2016, 08:44:31 PM
Thanks, that's a start.   "The code has no legal effect unless it is adopted by local governments."   But it is good to have an agreed upon set of standards to begin with.

The process begins with each state government deciding when to adopt a particular version of the IRC. For example the latest IRC version is dated 2015. My state is still using 2009.

Each state may also choose not to adopt certain sections. Some sections may be made mandatory within the state. Other sections may be made optional. Optional sections usually must be adopted without any changes, but that can vary from state to state.

So, having a tiny house appendix is a good start. However, it may take a while to trickle down to our neighborhood level. Getting involved at your state and your municipal level is wise when or if we have a strong opinion on rules and regulations. 

We also must remember that zoning is a totally separate item from a building code. The various codes cover the design and construction of the various pieces that comprise the building. Zoning covers what areas may be developed for residential, commercial and industrial purposes. My city has 22 different classifications.

One requirement where I live will kill most tiny houses IMO.  The requirement is for a 20 x 22 minimum attached or detached garage. We also have minimum lot sizes; 7000 sq ft and 60 ft of road frontage for example.
Title: Re: The Path to Legal Tiny Houses
Post by: Don_P on December 10, 2016, 10:43:12 PM
Very often though the local departments recognize new standards that they know are coming down the pipeline, always worth knowing what is in them and then having a conversation.
Title: Re: The Path to Legal Tiny Houses
Post by: MountainDon on December 11, 2016, 01:19:54 AM
Quote from: Don_P on December 10, 2016, 10:43:12 PM
... having a conversation.

yep.
Title: Re: The Path to Legal Tiny Houses
Post by: MushCreek on December 11, 2016, 07:14:41 AM
It's a start. I've often wondered why, in this age of energy consciousness that they still require bigger houses to be built. Many lots we looked at had a 2500 sq ft minimum house requirement! That's like making me drive a big 4X4 truck when a small sedan would do. Rules are gradually changing; FL passed a bill that allows for clotheslines as long as they are in the back yard. They had been banned in many areas. I think that there should still be subdivisions that require minimum house sizes for those that like that sort of thing, but that there should also be areas that allow for much more reasonable sized homes.
Title: Re: The Path to Legal Tiny Houses
Post by: cbc58 on December 11, 2016, 08:51:19 AM
QuoteIt's a start. I've often wondered why, in this age of energy consciousness that they still require bigger houses to be built.

Two words:  tax revenue.
Title: Re: The Path to Legal Tiny Houses
Post by: hpinson on December 14, 2016, 10:26:56 AM
Having trouble finding the text to this proposal.  Anyone know of a link to the actual content?
Title: Re: The Path to Legal Tiny Houses
Post by: MountainDon on December 14, 2016, 02:16:16 PM
The actual wording of the new rule is elusive. AllI have found is this. (https://tinyhousebuild.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/09/RB168-16-Final-Comment-Reason-Statement.pdf)
Title: Re: The Path to Legal Tiny Houses
Post by: Don_P on December 15, 2016, 10:32:13 PM
Sometimes you can get to drafts, it looks like they now might be under the cdpAccess tab in the ICC site, I'm having login alzheimers at the moment.
Title: Re: The Path to Legal Tiny Houses
Post by: evelt on January 03, 2017, 02:09:08 AM
2018, not that long to wait.
Title: Re: The Path to Legal Tiny Houses
Post by: JohnC on January 03, 2017, 02:10:01 PM
I would love to see this take off! One issue quite often is financing, most lenders require 700 sq ft minimum (on a foundation, no wheels). Any thoughts?
Title: Re: The Path to Legal Tiny Houses
Post by: flyingvan on January 04, 2017, 10:47:38 AM
Lots of thoughts...I'd love to become savvy enough on the small house market to open a mortgage company specifically for tiny/small houses, working in conjunction with ICC, UBC and all the fire code entities.  Money would be lent only on safe, re-sellable tiny and small homes; part of the mission statement would be towards preserving the uniqueness and design innovations.  People already mass produce mobile homes.  I want to encourage well built permanent structures that blend into the landscape; they just happen to be small.
Title: Re: The Path to Legal Tiny Houses
Post by: JohnC on January 06, 2017, 12:33:50 PM
I have a friend of mine who is a mortgage broker, next time I see him I will ask if he has anyone who will do "tiny houses" (less than 700 sq ft). Also, another agent in our office recently sold a property with a small cabin structure I will find out how/who financed it and let you know.

We have a lot people who would be weekend or seasonal residents if this type of property was more available.

John
Title: Re: The Path to Legal Tiny Houses
Post by: ChugiakTinkerer on January 06, 2017, 12:58:53 PM
My first house was a two-bedroom bungalow built in the early 50s.  It was all of 625 s.f.  Considering how many homes of that era are still standing, I imagine there are plenty of mortgage companies issuing loans for tiny houses.  Or did Freddie and Fannie suck up that portion of the market?
Title: Re: The Path to Legal Tiny Houses
Post by: BenjaminShaw on March 11, 2017, 04:44:37 AM
I am also thinking to buy a new tiny house. I like tiny houses.
Title: Re: The Path to Legal Tiny Houses
Post by: Dave Sparks on March 21, 2017, 02:03:27 PM
I like the concept here but I have seen folks build the bare minimum that the county will accept and then bring in a bunch of RV/Trailers and lower the property values in rural areas.  It can get nasty also....