war in Iran immanent

[benevolance]

Seems that the war is not a question of if... just when exactly... sums up the joke that is the fox network too.. :-/
http://harpers.org/archive/2007/08/hbc-90000995

[benevolance]

watch this video to see how Fox is just using the exact same catch phrases and reasons for war with iraq... 9-11, AL Quieda, terrorist attack... Same words same phrases just replace the word Iraq with Iran

When you see it like this in video with the dates of the broadcast it is very scary :-/

http://foxattacks.com/iran

[glenn kangiser]

I've heard the noises the chimp has been making.  Possibly if he goes ahead with it he will be able to destroy our military completely.  

[benevolance]

Not just the military Glenn the whole damned country

[glenn kangiser]

That will be the blowback we have all been waiting for.  

Self sufficiency and a good emergency survival supply never looked better than it does now.



http://www.vdare.com/roberts/070830_war.htm

[glenn kangiser]

At least the Fed is making preparations to take care of the ones who don't agree with their policies.

http://wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=57404

[williet]

Not just the military Glenn the whole damned country

Wasn't that the goal in the first place? A North American Union can't exist with a sovereign United States. The destruction of the military, the economy and our working middle class MUST occur before the Union can function. Mr. Bush is succeding at all three by keeping us bogged down in the Iraqi Civil War. A religious war that can't ever be won.

[glenn kangiser]

Well said, Willet.  I was going to say something similar but you said it better than I could and those with their eyes closed already think I'm crazy (OK - I am but that's beside the point).

Yes - it was said before Bush took office, by a retired Navy officer, Al Martin, that anytime Daddy Bush wanted a business to fail he put W in charge of it.  More going on here than it appears on the surface.

Heil Bush, the North American Union, the NWO and our new coming currency, the Amero.  

Mexican trucks start rolling here Thursday.  

We are expected to go along with this willingly and without question.  Most are complying without a second thought.

Makes me feel like Donald Duck.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cdpSU-UWkso

[glenn kangiser]

Heil Bush, the North American Union, the NWO and our new coming currency, the Amero.  

Note -- for those with any question the above was sarcastic.

[Sassy]

Anyone remember this song?  eve of Destruction

"We Are Going To Hit Iran. Bigtime"
by Maccabee
Sat Sep 01, 2007 at 03:50:24 PM PDT

I have a friend who is an LSO on a carrier attack group that is planning and staging a strike group deployment into the Gulf of Hormuz. (LSO: Landing Signal Officer- she directs carrier aircraft while landing) She told me we are going to attack Iran. She said that all the Air Operation Planning and Asset Tasking are finished. That means that all the targets have been chosen, prioritized, and tasked to specific aircraft, bases, carriers, missile cruisers and so forth.

I asked her why she is telling me this.

Her answer was really amazing.  http://www.dailykos.com/story/2007/9/1/183018/1527

Here's a link to a video on what radiation poisoning can do...
http://www.cnn.com/2007/WORLD/asiapcf/08/30/btsc.chance.nukes/index.html#cnnSTCVideo
Inside the nuclear underworld: Deformity and fear

   * Thousands in Kazakhstan remain scarred from decades of nuclear tests
   * The Soviet Union did not evacuate villages when testing began
   * Deformed woman: "If only there had been no bombs, I could have been equal"
   * The problem of deformities is so big that there's a museum of mutations
   

[PEG688]

Nice storey Sassy , the problem is every ship ,every air crew, is constantly training , "bagging traps ", doing FCLP's ( Fleet Carrier  Landing Practice) . Contingance planning is what Naval / Marine aviator do CONSTANTLY,  NEVER ENDING , Once one senero is played out ANOTHER begins .

That little new piece was written by someone who read a little about Navy / Carrier life , a few acronyms , some used in the wrong order some almost right.

    For instance ,

#1:  She had served on a smaller Marine carrier,

Marines have NO carriers , they are all USN , the Marines are part of the Dept. Of the Navy .


#2:  found out through a friend knew there was an opening for a junior grade LSO in a training position on a supercarrier


  A friend where at BUPER's ? LSO's are fleet ready pilot's attached to squardons that are attched to CAG 's (Carrier Air Groups) that are attached to Carrier's.

 LSO are  FCR (current to trap aboard  a carrier at sea) This requires so many , I don't recall the #, of GRADED   day and night FCLP's , within a perscribed # of days , followed by "X" # of  GRADED Cats and Traps , again day and night onboard a carrier at sea , generally done right off either coast as the carrier trains up / works up toward  a cruise.


 #3: Since she had experience landing F-18Cs and Cobra Gunships, and an unblemished combat record, she was ratcheted into the job


 So she's both fixed wing and helo qualied ?? And  has flown in combat ,SO WHAT she would still have to re qual with a new "Type " Aircraft , re carrier qual , re qual to be a LSO. NO WAY this all happens IMO.
 

 [highlight]Anyway her storey lacks creditabilty to say the least.[/highlight]

Again , all ship's at sea are planning to attack all the countries that they can reach under different senerios , constantly , thats what they do when they arn't flying , planning to fly and attack , thats the basic job.
 

Keep tryin  that seems to be "Your mission" just as contigency planning is part of "the mission " of naval avaitors

Have a great weekend  8-)

   

 
 

[Sassy]

thanks, PEG, for the clarifications    I figured, you being a Navy guy, you'd either see the story as bogus or true... helps to weed out propaganda from the other side...

what do you say about the other articles?

[PEG688]

I didn't read them , you posted them while I was de bunking the first one you had sort of double posted , then edited   Your all most as hard to pin the tail on a GWB   Not that I'm calling either of you arse"s , but I'm sure Glenn could "read " that in given enought time  

[Sassy]

  :-?  Just say I'm open for correction - my goal is to dig down & find the truth - not blindly believe one side vs the other side  

we still have this article by the Times Online... http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/asia/article2369001.ece Pentagon 'three-day blitz' plan for Iran

[glenn kangiser]

Whatever truth is, this really all boils down making the US elite more rich and powerful at the expense of every serviceman who lays his life on the line to do what he is told is his patriotic duty.   I have no question about the sincerity of the servicemen but I question the motives of the leaders.

When they get back here many  face abandonment by the government and financial, medical as well as family disaster.

This has nothing to do with protecting our shores.  Just empire building for the benefit of the wealthy and the power mongers.

[glenn kangiser]

I know you are loyal to and love our country and have laid your life on the line for it, PEG.  No question about your values.

If only the current administration had the same qualities.

But then again -- I imagine you're too busy to take over and straighten things out.

[PEG688]

Ah yes if we could only go back to pre WW-1 The Woodrow Wilsow years . But no internet etc . The worlds a ever changing place a fluid dynamic, could we have forseen 9/11 , maybe , it's very tough world , all sorts of crap flyin at a guy , from every side   Being Pres. for a day might be fun , for 4 years , no friggin way , for 8 even worst :'(

 Maybe some where in all the manusa there's a lil truth , who knows what it is ? Not this simple country carpenter  

I'm out,  see ya up top where I  [highlight]know I can help[/highlight]  8-)

[glenn kangiser]

Not this simple country carpenter

The founder of Christianity was a carpenter if I recall correctly.

See you on the other side.

[glenn kangiser]

The founder of Christianity was a carpenter if I recall correctly.

...but even He won't have anything to do with the US government.

[PEG688]

Nor any other Govt. for that matter You will find some folks who will argue that he wasn't a carpenter BTW . But some folks just like to argue  :'(

[glenn kangiser]

That's the way I see it too, PEG.

He cannot bless one group in one country when the other country has people in the same group or religion that will be killed if the first one is successful.  If they both pray to the same God and there is only one then I am sure he could not answer either.  

So it looks like the wars are being directed by the opposition.

[benevolance]

Well His father on earth was the carpenter...Supposedly...Never read anything saying Jesus made a living building houses like Joseph. I am sure growing up he learned a few things helping out around the house...

But if the scripture is true...Jesus walked all over the middle east..Started when he was very young....No way you have time to walk all over the known world at that time and hold down a regular job as a carpenter...And do the God thing the miracles healings etc...

[PEG688]

Peter he was / is God , so,  ah ,  :-/ time is on this side .

 As to his occupation, I'll point out Mark 6: 2&3 "Where did this man get these things ?" they asked ."What's this wisdom that has been given him, that he even does miracles! [highlight]Isn't this the carpenter? [/highlight]Isn't this Mary's son and the brother of James , Joseph, Judas and Siimon?"

 These folks where his neighbors / towns people , [highlight]"IF"[/highlight]   :-/ you hold that scripture is true and accurate , one would say,  they( his neighbors)  would have known. YMMV based on that "IF".    

Why do I let myself be lured back in  :'(   Good troll Pete , ya got one  


BTW one of my favorite seens (sp)  :-/ in the Passion Of the Christ Movie was the table , or making of the table that Mel Gibson made up , where Jesus is showing his Mom his "new invention " , the table. It was IMO a cute set up by Mel and the writters , to bring some humor into pretty sad , [highlight]((((or in a way happy time as without his death on the cross we'd have little or really no hope ))) [/highlight]part of mankinds path.


 A note on the highlighted line to say:  YMMV on that as well and that raises thread drift warning flags as it's no where close to where we/ Sassy  started the thread. But it is  a interesting topic to me whether it  shoild be consided  a sad  time / event or in fact , the beginning of,  the happiest of times , Christ death that is.

 Jeesh thats more convolted than when I started  to clear myself up  

[tanya]

IMO if they attack Iran it wont be because they fear terroists or because Iran is meddleing int he affairs of the toher mid east countries, it wont be to increase the chances of a north american union. It iwll be to create a smopkescreen good enough to get the public off the backs of all those republicans screwing up!!!  That is just my simple country girl thinking though

[benevolance]

Well

Peg

I always kind of looked to the sign that says...My Lord is the SON of a carpenter

Seriously though...when did Jesus have time to be a carpenter if he was travelling the world saving lives healing the sick...teaching the gospel...Organizing the disciples into the church....Going with John the baptist.

And for a long time in his life...Fleeing from the Romans

I know this is a larger than life story....But unless there were 50 hours a day it is not even mathematically possible