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Title: Starting on twin 12x16's
Post by: Building Bob on September 26, 2010, 09:24:00 PM
My buddy and I have been working on twin 12 x 16 sheds/mini cabins. We cleared an area about 24 x 54 feet. When we are done, there will be three 12 x 16's on the site.
Many pictures already taken which I will share as I learn how to post pictures.
Title: Re: Starting on twin 12x16's
Post by: MountainDon on September 27, 2010, 07:14:21 PM
Images to be displayed in a forum message have to be stored on a server someplace. Some place like photobucket.com

There is a tutorial   http://countryplans.com/smf/index.php?topic=3512.0 (http://countryplans.com/smf/index.php?topic=3512.0)   that may help even though it has become a little dated because of photobucket updates.
Title: !
Post by: Building Bob on October 07, 2010, 12:25:13 AM
Thanks for the response. We have been working on these things since last spring. Clearing the land etc. We hired a guy to pull out the stumps and he added 55 yds. of fill to get us level. We were planing to dig and pour a foundation ourselves, but after talking to a local construction worker who likes to earn extra money on the side, we hired him to dig, pour, and lay two courses of block. We started the the first floor deck in mid Aug. and just got the walls up this past weekend. Between working our regular jobs and building these cabins we have not had much time to do anything else. When I get some time I'll get some pictures up. Thanks Again!
Title: Re: Starting on twin 12x16's
Post by: Solar Burrito on October 08, 2010, 12:13:16 PM
Welcome to the forums. Where are you building? Your project sounds interesting, I'm looking forward to your photos.
Title: Re: Starting on twin 12x16's
Post by: Building Bob on October 08, 2010, 09:57:31 PM
The cabins we are building are in the northern portion of Michigans lower penninsula. We were planning to go up this weekend but I have to do some vehicle maitainence instead. I should have time to work on posting some of the pictures.
Title: Re: Starting on twin 12x16's
Post by: Building Bob on October 08, 2010, 10:56:04 PM
Ok! My first attempt at posting a pic.

(http://[img]https://i1187.photobucket.com/albums/z388/BuildingBob/Project/2010-04-24170242.jpg)[/img]
Title: Re: Starting on twin 12x16's
Post by: Building Bob on October 08, 2010, 10:58:40 PM
Second try!
(https://i1187.photobucket.com/albums/z388/BuildingBob/Project/2010-04-24170242.jpg)
Title: Re: Starting on twin 12x16's
Post by: Building Bob on October 08, 2010, 10:59:49 PM
Ahh! third try!
(https://i1187.photobucket.com/albums/z388/BuildingBob/Project/2010-04-24170242.jpg)
Title: Re: Starting on twin 12x16's
Post by: rick91351 on October 08, 2010, 11:01:46 PM
By golly looks like you got it.

w*
Title: Re: Starting on twin 12x16's
Post by: Building Bob on October 08, 2010, 11:07:34 PM
Finally! Ok I'm Trying a few more. These are the clearing, excavation, and block.

(https://i1187.photobucket.com/albums/z388/BuildingBob/Project/2010-06-13120041.jpg)

(https://i1187.photobucket.com/albums/z388/BuildingBob/Project/2010-05-23153119.jpg)

(https://i1187.photobucket.com/albums/z388/BuildingBob/Project/2010-07-17213116.jpg)

(https://i1187.photobucket.com/albums/z388/BuildingBob/Project/2010-08-07133418.jpg)
Title: Re: Starting on twin 12x16's
Post by: Redoverfarm on October 09, 2010, 06:36:01 AM
 w*  Looks as if you are off to a good start. 
Title: Re: Starting on twin 12x16's
Post by: Jacknife on October 09, 2010, 07:00:21 AM
 ;D Good start! Is that you in the red gloves?
Title: Re: Starting on twin 12x16's
Post by: Building Bob on October 09, 2010, 11:57:24 AM
No. I'm the guy with the hat. I'll post some more pics today.
Title: Re: Starting on twin 12x16's
Post by: Building Bob on October 09, 2010, 12:28:03 PM
This photo shows how Leonard poured all three foundations level with each other. He used a transit level and drove thin wood sticks onto the trench so that the top of each was at the same level. When pouring the concrete he just poured until the tops of the sticks were just covered. This is when the cement truck broke down.

(https://i1187.photobucket.com/albums/z388/BuildingBob/Project/2010-07-24210035.jpg)
Title: Re: Starting on twin 12x16's
Post by: UK4X4 on October 09, 2010, 01:16:42 PM
Now I may have been in the desert too long but that looks like triplets !
Title: Re: Starting on twin 12x16's
Post by: Building Bob on October 10, 2010, 09:40:17 AM
There will eventually be three 12x16's on the site, but we are working on two right now with the third to be going up in the spring.

(https://i1187.photobucket.com/albums/z388/BuildingBob/Project/2010-08-07155212.jpg)

(https://i1187.photobucket.com/albums/z388/BuildingBob/Project/2010-08-07201527.jpg)

(https://i1187.photobucket.com/albums/z388/BuildingBob/Project/2010-08-07210839.jpg)

(https://i1187.photobucket.com/albums/z388/BuildingBob/Project/IMG_20100918_175207.jpg)

(https://i1187.photobucket.com/albums/z388/BuildingBob/Project/IMG_20100918_192810.jpg)
Title: Re: Starting on twin 12x16's
Post by: JRanch on October 10, 2010, 11:49:03 AM
Nice looking project, I look forward to watching your progress.
Title: Re: Starting on twin 12x16's
Post by: Building Bob on October 17, 2010, 11:49:47 PM
More progress!
Laying out out first wall.
(https://i1187.photobucket.com/albums/z388/BuildingBob/Project/IMG_20100919_114539.jpg)
First wall up and braced.

(https://i1187.photobucket.com/albums/z388/BuildingBob/Project/IMG_20100919_120656.jpg)

Still working
(https://i1187.photobucket.com/albums/z388/BuildingBob/Project/IMG_20100919_161848.jpg)
Three walls up.
(https://i1187.photobucket.com/albums/z388/BuildingBob/Project/IMG_20100919_170745.jpg)
Title: Re: Starting on twin 12x16's
Post by: rdzone on October 18, 2010, 10:29:50 AM
Looks great so far.  Just wondering why you used joist hangers for the floor joists as they would be sitting on the mudsill and block for support already.  ???
Title: Re: Starting on twin 12x16's
Post by: jan nikolajsen on October 18, 2010, 06:06:44 PM
Quote from: rdzone on October 18, 2010, 10:29:50 AM
wondering why you used joist hangers for the floor joists as they would be sitting on the mudsill and block for support already.  ???

Maybe Bob is a belt & suspenders kinda guy.. takes one to know one!
Title: Re: Starting on twin 12x16's
Post by: Jacknife on October 18, 2010, 08:09:41 PM
I agree.......  joist hangers are a pain.  d*
Title: Re: Starting on twin 12x16's
Post by: Building Bob on December 18, 2010, 12:09:37 AM
Well winter has finally set in here in Michigan. I think we are about done till spring. We were able to get one almost all closed in the, but the other is just a framed shell with no sheeting at all. If my buddy ever sends me the pictures I'll get them up so you can see our progress. I'm not looking forward to shingling the 12/12 roof. Any sugestions?
Title: Re: Starting on twin 12x16's
Post by: Redoverfarm on December 18, 2010, 07:24:31 AM
Quote from: Building Bob on December 18, 2010, 12:09:37 AM
Well winter has finally set in here in Michigan. I think we are about done till spring. We were able to get one almost all closed in the, but the other is just a framed shell with no sheeting at all. If my buddy ever sends me the pictures I'll get them up so you can see our progress. I'm not looking forward to shingling the 12/12 roof. Any sugestions?

Bob the only real way is to use roof jacks.  Relatively inexpensive and with a 2"x8" as the platform they will give you a good platform from which to work.
Title: Re: Starting on twin 12x16's
Post by: Barry Broome on December 18, 2010, 08:14:23 PM
What's a roof jack?
Title: Re: Starting on twin 12x16's
Post by: MountainDon on December 18, 2010, 08:18:49 PM
Quote from: Weasel on December 18, 2010, 08:14:23 PM
What's a roof jack?

The devices that hold these planks so they can be walked on.

(http://www.brightok.net/~cyscott1-ss/pics/314082.JPG)

From ScottA's build
http://countryplans.com/smf/index.php?topic=3419.msg50495#msg50495 (http://countryplans.com/smf/index.php?topic=3419.msg50495#msg50495)
Title: Re: Starting on twin 12x16's
Post by: Redoverfarm on December 18, 2010, 08:23:56 PM
Quote from: Weasel on December 18, 2010, 08:14:23 PM
What's a roof jack?

A picture is worth a thousand words.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x31P0Nc7WO8
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9-LU4kvr61g
Title: Re: Starting on twin 12x16's
Post by: Barry Broome on December 18, 2010, 08:35:24 PM
Man I've got to get some of those! Thanks for the pics.
Title: Re: Starting on twin 12x16's
Post by: Redoverfarm on December 18, 2010, 08:52:06 PM
I have never used the extended ones as shown in the first video.  The others are quite common.  They are made so that the 16d nails used to support them do not have to be removed.  Just pry the bracket enough to slip the brackets out and then drive the 16d's back down into the framing. Then when you reposition them just use a couple new nails. Generally unless you have a large roof you only need to reposition them once or twice to reach the complete roof surface.  The best part is that they are really not that expensive ( $5-6 a piece) so you can get enough to reach from one side to the other.
Title: Re: Starting on twin 12x16's
Post by: Building Bob on April 20, 2011, 11:32:50 PM
The spring build is about to begin. Over the winter I found a great deal on some dimensional certainteed shingles for $20.00 a bundle. Found a local guy to put them on for $100.00. Better him than me. Pictures soon to come.
Title: Re: Starting on twin 12x16's
Post by: Building Bob on May 07, 2011, 04:19:06 PM
I finally got some pictures uploaded of my project. We have both cabins framed, sheated, and shingled. Those pictures will follow these.
https://s1187.photobucket.com/albums/z388/BuildingBob/?action=view&current=IMG_20101030_164649.jpg

https://s1187.photobucket.com/albums/z388/BuildingBob/?action=view&current=IMG_20101113_144106.jpg
https://s1187.photobucket.com/albums/z388/BuildingBob/?action=view&current=IMG_20110212_172148.jpg
https://s1187.photobucket.com/albums/z388/BuildingBob/?action=view&current=IMG_20110410_155527.jpg
https://s1187.photobucket.com/albums/z388/BuildingBob/?action=view&current=IMG_20110410_162643.jpg
Title: Re: Starting on twin 12x16's
Post by: Building Bob on May 07, 2011, 09:17:46 PM
Let me try the pictures again.
(https://i1187.photobucket.com/albums/z388/BuildingBob/IMG_20101030_164649.jpg)
(https://i1187.photobucket.com/albums/z388/BuildingBob/IMG_20101113_144106.jpg)
(https://i1187.photobucket.com/albums/z388/BuildingBob/IMG_20110212_172109.jpg)
(https://i1187.photobucket.com/albums/z388/BuildingBob/IMG_20110212_172148.jpg)
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(https://i1187.photobucket.com/albums/z388/BuildingBob/IMG_20110410_155527.jpg)
(https://i1187.photobucket.com/albums/z388/BuildingBob/IMG_20110410_162643.jpg)
Title: Re: Starting on twin 12x16's
Post by: Building Bob on May 07, 2011, 09:59:40 PM
Here are some more. This is where we are as of today.
(https://i1187.photobucket.com/albums/z388/BuildingBob/IMAG0100.jpg)
(https://i1187.photobucket.com/albums/z388/BuildingBob/IMAG0098.jpg)
(https://i1187.photobucket.com/albums/z388/BuildingBob/IMAG0097.jpg)
(https://i1187.photobucket.com/albums/z388/BuildingBob/IMAG0096.jpg)
(https://i1187.photobucket.com/albums/z388/BuildingBob/IMAG0095.jpg)
(https://i1187.photobucket.com/albums/z388/BuildingBob/IMAG0094.jpg)
(https://i1187.photobucket.com/albums/z388/BuildingBob/IMAG0106.jpg)
Title: Re: Starting on twin 12x16's
Post by: Sassy on May 08, 2011, 02:16:23 PM
Niiice!  I'm sure it's a good feeling to get this much done!
Title: Re: Starting on twin 12x16's
Post by: Building Bob on May 08, 2011, 05:39:09 PM
Thanks. We spent 4 days getting both cabins to the same point. Our roofing guy did a heck of a job for $100.00 each.
Next is the tyvek, doors, and windows. Then we have to figure out what type of porch we are going to put up.
Title: Re: Starting on twin 12x16's
Post by: Building Bob on May 13, 2011, 11:20:52 PM
Does anyone have any suggestions on rhe typ of porch I should build? Is a roof over it worth it. Thanks in advance. Bob
Title: Re: Starting on twin 12x16's
Post by: Redoverfarm on May 14, 2011, 06:56:56 AM
Bob I will have to admit that I have not followed your thread from start to finish but occassionally dropped in.  I am not sure exactly where you are proposing to place the porch.  Will there be a single porch to face all three cabins or individually.  From the photographs it appears that you have two cabins completed to the dry-in stage and construction on the third to begin.  With a standard gable roof on the third(center) you will be dumping rain/snow to the center between the cabins.  A solution would to have constructed a gable roof on the center cabin to be perpendicular to the outside cabins but this would/should be considered in the framing stage.  Although not impossible to do with the other cabins roofed it would require the removal of some shingles to attach the roof plate to the already constructed cabins.  Maybe I am completely off base with what you are asking but it was just an observation. 
Title: Re: Starting on twin 12x16's
Post by: Building Bob on May 14, 2011, 10:14:05 PM
The picture I have in my mind is an individual porch on the front gable end of each cabin. If a roof was included I'm not sure if it would be a shed type roof or a gable type to mirror the main roof line.
The middle cabin is on temporary hold do to employment uncertainty of the third owner. Any advice would be appreciated.
Title: Re: Starting on twin 12x16's
Post by: MushCreek on May 15, 2011, 07:38:59 AM
My vote would be to have a covered porch. If you want some sun, you can always move a chair out in to the open, but if you decide you want a roof over your head, you're sunk. I like sitting on a porch on a rainy day, for instance.
Title: Re: Starting on twin 12x16's
Post by: Building Bob on November 23, 2013, 08:37:12 PM
I am sorry I have not been keeping up with the progress we have made. Three years later I'm still at it. Here are some photos to let everyone see what we have accomplished.

Both cabins from a distance.
(https://i1187.photobucket.com/albums/z388/BuildingBob/IMAG0093.jpg) (https://s1187.photobucket.com/user/BuildingBob/media/IMAG0093.jpg.html)

(https://i1187.photobucket.com/albums/z388/BuildingBob/IMAG0106.jpg) (https://s1187.photobucket.com/user/BuildingBob/media/IMAG0106.jpg.html)

(https://i1187.photobucket.com/albums/z388/BuildingBob/IMAG0098.jpg) (https://s1187.photobucket.com/user/BuildingBob/media/IMAG0098.jpg.html)

(https://i1187.photobucket.com/albums/z388/BuildingBob/IMAG0239.jpg) (https://s1187.photobucket.com/user/BuildingBob/media/IMAG0239.jpg.html)

(https://i1187.photobucket.com/albums/z388/BuildingBob/161.jpg) (https://s1187.photobucket.com/user/BuildingBob/media/161.jpg.html)

(https://i1187.photobucket.com/albums/z388/BuildingBob/IMAG1428.jpg) (https://s1187.photobucket.com/user/BuildingBob/media/IMAG1428.jpg.html)

(https://i1187.photobucket.com/albums/z388/BuildingBob/IMAG1224.jpg) (https://s1187.photobucket.com/user/BuildingBob/media/IMAG1224.jpg.html)

(https://i1187.photobucket.com/albums/z388/BuildingBob/IMAG1225.jpg) (https://s1187.photobucket.com/user/BuildingBob/media/IMAG1225.jpg.html)

(https://i1187.photobucket.com/albums/z388/BuildingBob/100MEDIA36IMAG2155-1.jpg) (https://s1187.photobucket.com/user/BuildingBob/media/100MEDIA36IMAG2155-1.jpg.html)

(https://i1187.photobucket.com/albums/z388/BuildingBob/100MEDIAIMAG2236.jpg) (https://s1187.photobucket.com/user/BuildingBob/media/100MEDIAIMAG2236.jpg.html)

(https://i1187.photobucket.com/albums/z388/BuildingBob/IMAG06121.jpg) (https://s1187.photobucket.com/user/BuildingBob/media/IMAG06121.jpg.html)

(https://i1187.photobucket.com/albums/z388/BuildingBob/2013-10-06_15-20-28_996.jpg) (https://s1187.photobucket.com/user/BuildingBob/media/2013-10-06_15-20-28_996.jpg.html)

Title: Re: Starting on twin 12x16's
Post by: Building Bob on November 23, 2013, 10:19:09 PM
I tried to use a Jefferson ladder. It worked great going up or going down, but whatever you do don't stop along the way. Your brain thinks there is a step next to your other foot and after almost killing myself several times I decided to build a staircase. A narrow steep staircase it is but it was worth the effort. The series of photos show the progress over several months.
(https://i1187.photobucket.com/albums/z388/BuildingBob/100MEDIA36IMAG2165.jpg) (https://s1187.photobucket.com/user/BuildingBob/media/100MEDIA36IMAG2165.jpg.html)

(https://i1187.photobucket.com/albums/z388/BuildingBob/2013-02-11_16-11-16_744.jpg) (https://s1187.photobucket.com/user/BuildingBob/media/2013-02-11_16-11-16_744.jpg.html)

(https://i1187.photobucket.com/albums/z388/BuildingBob/IMAG0163.jpg) (https://s1187.photobucket.com/user/BuildingBob/media/IMAG0163.jpg.html)

(https://i1187.photobucket.com/albums/z388/BuildingBob/IMAG0178.jpg) (https://s1187.photobucket.com/user/BuildingBob/media/IMAG0178.jpg.html)

(https://i1187.photobucket.com/albums/z388/BuildingBob/IMAG0185.jpg) (https://s1187.photobucket.com/user/BuildingBob/media/IMAG0185.jpg.html)
Loking out the top front window at the deck.
(https://i1187.photobucket.com/albums/z388/BuildingBob/IMAG05501.jpg) (https://s1187.photobucket.com/user/BuildingBob/media/IMAG05501.jpg.html)

(https://i1187.photobucket.com/albums/z388/BuildingBob/2013-03-24_15-40-53_629.jpg) (https://s1187.photobucket.com/user/BuildingBob/media/2013-03-24_15-40-53_629.jpg.html)

(https://i1187.photobucket.com/albums/z388/BuildingBob/2013-09-14_11-51-33_723.jpg) (https://s1187.photobucket.com/user/BuildingBob/media/2013-09-14_11-51-33_723.jpg.html)

(https://i1187.photobucket.com/albums/z388/BuildingBob/2013-10-27_14-23-34_447.jpg) (https://s1187.photobucket.com/user/BuildingBob/media/2013-10-27_14-23-34_447.jpg.html)
Title: Re: Starting on twin 12x16's
Post by: Jacknife on November 23, 2013, 11:13:35 PM
Cool.  Is it cozy Plum Bob?