More 'interior trim tips' by Peg needed and wanted!!!!

[glenn kangiser]

May not be a good idea but here it is anyway.

[glenn kangiser]

Commercial code requires it to run continuous from the landing to lower level bottom with no posts in between so we run it inside. Houses may be different.

[MountainDon]

As for residential code, for what's it worth...
Click this link...
IRC2003

Once there follow John's link, select chapter 3, download and scroll to section R311.5.6 on handrails.

[glenn kangiser]

Here is most of it.

[PEG688]

May not be a good idea but here it is anyway.

Actually not bad Glenn   , it can be improved on though. Can you put numbers beside the fasteners ? it would be easier to understand what I'll try to say if each connector had a #. But if not I'll start at the bottom and try to describe what fastener and how so the bottom will be # 1 and I'll work up the stair with a sequence of how I'd do it.

 
I'll start here with this photo because I think your hand rails may fall more like this photo than the sketch Glenn made , if so you can see the Alaskan Yellow Cedar plug I used to cover the lag screw I used , you could do a similar thing , you'll have to think about the angle and length of your fastener to be sure it doesn't go right thru the railing.



If it's like that you can just go right thru the post into the rails.


  IF your rails line up like Glenn's sketch start by dry fitting every thing , use quick clamps and blocks to hold things together , yes this part is hard a  real PITA. I have two jigs that hold my rail parts , I'll see if I can load some photo's of those , but for one stair they'd be a lot of work , and you can do it with a bunch of quick clamps , that's what I used to do before I say a article in FHB a couple of months ago where I saw those jigs . So see I'm still learning as well 

     

  At the wall fastener #4 (if we get numbers ) you could use a rosette , screw thru the rosette after you dry fit everything first, then like I said screw thru the rosette than attach the rosette  to the wall . YOU DID OF course PUT BACKING IN THE WALL right?   If not    continue until tired 

 

   Then lag  screw thru the newel into the other end of the guard rail .

Next attach the handrail thru the post at #2  , go under the guardrail , again being careful not to go thru the rails with the end of the lag.

#1 Can be screwed as shown .

[glenn kangiser]

I'll see what I can do, PEG. 

[PEG688]

I'll see what I can do, PEG. 

Thanks Glenn 

So :

#4 would go thru the rosette into the  guardrail end .

#3 would go thru the newel again into the  guardrail end .

#2 would go thru the newel , under guardrail bolt #3 into the angled cut handrail.

#1  would go under the  handrail into the newel post and would be a shorter lag or maybe a stout screw .

So your only fasteners you'd have to plug would be the screws that screw the rosette to the wall and maybe lag # 2 that's under the guard rail.   

Now Glenn can you move or reverve your screws ??

What did you draw that with ? Sketch-up?

One  day I gotta figure that out, when I'm not busy   

[PEG688]

 

This one might be a problem as your newel ( the top of the stair right hand one as we're looking at it in the photo )  appears to be out of line with that wall at the top of the stair. Maybe a 3/4 newel ,   , that wraps the D/W  corner some how  could work,  instead of a rosette? 

[glenn kangiser]

I can erase and re-label - things like that, PEG.

I use MS Paint --- the simple little program on everybody's Microsoft Windows computer  go to Start/all programs/accessories/paint.  This is the program Mark Chenail did his award winning 200 sf house project in.  You can save as a Jpeg also to make it just like a picture  - uses low file space.  After that load it to Photobucket same as a picture.

No fancy stuff like the big programs makes it easy to use pretty quickly as long as precision isn't a problem.

[glenn kangiser]

Oh - I see  - you want me to make it like your description.  hmm.  I'll try to do it and post below.

[glenn kangiser]

How about this, PEG? hmm

[PEG688]

 Ya if you can , Bob will see it easier I think that way.

My laptop doesn't have a "paint' option , I followed your prompts , but no paint under accessories. Maybe the Dell  (our other puter)has it

[PEG688]

How about this, PEG? hmm

Man your fast   

  That's it ! Of course Bob's rail might no be exactly the same , but that shows a few different options .  And shows how to cover your tracks so to speak with covering the fasteners. 

Hopefully he has some backing in the walls , most folks never think about that , at least soon enought

Can you add the rosette at the wall??  Maybe asking to much 

[glenn kangiser]

Arrrrrr-- I thought the rosette went into the rail -- that's the little black thing --- It goes into the backing? hmm -- I picture it as something that drives into a hole and locks - I assumed the lag screwed into the wall -- guess I'm screwed up?

[glenn kangiser]

Remove the countersink note too?

[PEG688]

 The rosette is a fancy block ,  the guard rail could be screwed thru  a  block  like those and then the block gets screwed to the wall.  So the block is at the end of the rail like a "T" sort of . I really feel like I'm about to this point  , not with you but with my inability to discribe what I'm saying

 

Sorry I think everyone knows these things , heck I can't remember NOT knowing I've been doing this so long 


The countersink note is still good .  In fact add it at the #2 screw location , as that screw would show IF that ends up being how Bob's rail is.

[PEG688]

This is a good online stair booklet , I'll add this to my favorites for later reference. 

http://www.coffmanstairs.com/information.htm

[PEG688]

Rosette on a wall hung rail:


   

Rosette angle handrail:



1/2 newel:

 

  Lil booklet ,

http://www.coffmanstairs.com/stair-building-guide/index.html

[glenn kangiser]

Cool, PEG -- I didn't know what the rosette was -- I thought it was something to hold the screw - that funny looking washer thing.  All of my handrails weld to a post or wall or something -- hmm

[glenn kangiser]

Not a problem, PEG --- I just was not familiar with the terms and too lazy to look them up.

[Okie_Bob]

Hey guys, great job, you really put a lot of time into this for me and I really do appreciate it! Believe it or not, I
totally understood what Peg was talking about from the get go but, do appreciate the dwg too. I even figured out
what he meant by 'rosetta' from how he described putting it up. Actually, that is what I had concluded was the way
to go. I made some when I installed my rail around me deck. Only, mine weren't fancy, just square oak blocks with correct
hold size drilled through them and then screwed onto the post.
So, now what I'm planning is to go ahead with that for the flat rail ends and I am going to try to drill at an angle for the
angled ones and see how that works. I am using cable instead of ballasters so I plan to install a 1X3 piece of wood vertical
where the ends end and the 'rosetta' will go at the top of this with the cable eye screws falling at 4" increments below the rail
I wasn't sure this would be a good idea in the house but, you guys have pretty much belayed my fears since this is idential to
your description.
I'm heading to the lake this afternoon and will return late Sun or Monday sometime. I'll be home for Christmas and then later Christmas day head back for another week. Hopeing to get a lot finished! And now I feel so much more comfortable what what I had planned to do.
Glenn you and Peg ought to charge for your services!!! But, I guarantee if you get to my neck of the woods I'll have a big ole tub of
cold brew and a nice fire outside in the firepit and we can drink and tell lies all night if we want!
Thanks again,
Okie Bob

[PEG688]

Glenn you and Peg ought to charge for your services!!!

Ya we should and do,,,,,,,,,,,, just not here

Have a great Christmas Bob happy I / we could help .

[glenn kangiser]

PEG speaks for both of us, BoB.

I overcharge on my real job so I can donate time and share info with my friends on CountryPlans.  Have a good trip, BoB-- see you soon.

[PEG688]

I overcharge on my real job so I can donate time and share info

I hope with your adminstrator powers your able to BLOCK Bruce and Michelle , is it with two L's or one  , the bigger house project folks , maybe not Bruce  but you know who I mean.

So do they know you "over charge" 

Maybe this one ,    God some days I crack me up 

[MountainDon]

I overcharge on my real job so I can donate time and share info with my friends on CountryPlans. 

Where's the foot in mouth smiley?