Can I build as I wish on my own rural land?

[glenn kangiser]

I do have the bad attitude, but in reality I would like my own country.  Groveling is so hard.  :-/

Here most of them are not too bad, and they will help you build your dream right after they relieve you of about $10000.00  to  $20000.00 - kind of a protection racket.

[John Raabe]

[highlight]Kangiserstan? [/highlight] Do you have a turban, King Glenn?



I think that once the kingdom is recognized as a sovereign state that you not only get to make your own rules, but you can apply for foreign aid.  

[glenn kangiser]

Looks and sounds great, John.  If this thing works I should get about a billion a year from the Americans.  Everybody in other countries knows that the Americans give free money to anyone except the working American Taxpayer.  I think I have a winner here.  

I really like the picture-  John -- looks close enough to almost be me.

Now where is Sassy?  It's time for my belly dance.  

Nothing like about a 450 horsepower turban (turbine) --and in orange even.

[benevolance]

glenn you start welding us up a time machine and I will draw up the documents proclaiming a nice swath of the pacific Northwest for countryhome members... you are older than me so you can be our leader at first and I will succeed you...

let me know when you get it ready...

[John Raabe]

We could finally declare Ecotopia as an independent nation. It's about time! This came from a book (written in 1974) that was set in the far future (1999!) when everyone in this corner of the US lived Sustainably.

More or less like [highlight]Our Glorious Leader, King Glenn[/highlight] lives now!

[glenn kangiser]

All hail the King--- sounds good -  

[glenn kangiser]

Interesting article on barbed wire and how its invention changed the west as far as private property went.

http://www.archives.gov/education/lessons/barbed-wire/

[Sassy]

I posted this in "off-topics" but it probably fits better under this heading Liberty & Buidling Permits

[Leo]

I paid 2500 for a four bedroom septic tank installed he hit a few boulders but still held his price that was august 2007 5000 seems way to high.

[southernsis]

There are still places in Arkansas that you can live off-grid. Land is still cheap and if you qualify you can get a $300 Homestead exemption. I pay nothing each year for my property tax. There are no building or zoning restrictions in this area.
I checked out the Land Rights website. There is a lot of useful information.

[StinkerBell]

I would like to point out with hesitation, that most Government Agencies no longer really have to visit your land. :-/
Satellite Pictures are the way they go. Be careful in stating that a building existed on your land for a long time. They are able to pull up satellite pictures of your property to confirm if buildings have existed and can be grandfathered in.

The only way to have Big Brother not know what your up to is building underground IMO.

Just something we all need to consider with satellite.

[glenn kangiser]

I paid 2500 for a four bedroom septic tank installed he hit a few boulders but still held his price that was august 2007 5000 seems way to high.

Sounds like you got a bargain, Leo.  Here the tank costs $1100, rock and pipe, or modules about 1200 to 1500  then excavation, inspections - cover it up - final inspection.

So here materials are around the $2500 then the work has to be done.  I don't think anybody does it around here or less than $5000 but we are in the mountains - inspectors are picky - you must do a profile hole on every system and if that doesn't look good maybe multiple profile holes or then its a perk test and if that doesn't look good then it's on to a $12000 to $25000 engineered system.  You have to plead and beg to do it yourself if you are not a contractor and I don't know if an individual is even allowed to do it here.

[Jens]

They call NH the "live free or die" state.  In my area I have found it to be more of "live free or die...as long as we say it's ok"  Of course, I am near the coast, in Barrington.

[littlegirlgo]

My septic system was $4000 for a two bedroom house and that was AFTER I had a reduction for a composting toilet. In Ky.

[TheRookie]

Hello... just wanted to say how glad I am to have read this post, and wanted to thank King Glenn   for the land rights info....
It got me thinking and I've started to do some research... to think that I could have lived my life in ignorance of such an important thing... anyways, has anyone here heard of the TeamLaw (group?)... their website (teamlaw.org) has a lot of good info as well.

Since I will soon be in the market for some good land I can build on and raise a family on, how hard is it to find out about the availability/origin of the land patent before I buy? I'm thinking about the southern Oklahoma area...

[glenn kangiser]

Welcome to the forum, Rookie.  You may rise.

I haven't heard of Teamlaw that I remember but will check out the site.  http://teamlaw.org/

How far you get with this is hard to tell but it doesn't hurt to know what are supposed to be your rights and try to stand up for them if the need arises.  If you don't know about your rights, you don't stand a chance.  I have read many times that you have to know the law to be protected by it.  

I don't know the status of anyplace but here. :-?  The title companies can tell you of the chain of title from the original patent.  The chain of title records is important to show that the original rights from the original patent have been transferred legally to you.  I am just learning enough about this to be dangerous myself.  I did get my exhaustive chain of title done, so at least have certified copies of all f the original papers from John C. Fremont -patent signed by Abraham Lincoln, clear to me.

There is also supposed to be some info on the web but haven't found it yet.

[MountainDon]

...from John C. Fremont -

.... as in first republican candidate for president and western explorer??

[glenn kangiser]

That would be the guy -- Married Jessie Benton  - Senator Thomas "Old Bullion" Benton was her father.  Mt Bullion - My mountain was named after him - We live just down the hill from Fremont Peak.

Fremont had a floating gold claim here - if someone claimed some gold his boundary floated to that point - they finally nailed it down in Mariposa county court establishing much of the mining law for the entire United States.  We own part of the Las Mariposas patented claim that was patented by Fremont.

[MountainDon]

'way cool!

[glenn kangiser]

If I wasn't so lazy I'd put Lincolns patent letter on here.

[MountainDon]

Challenge!!   :-/

(You probably saw that coming.... )

[glenn kangiser]

OK -- To lazy to scan so took a pix.  This isn't the part where it goes to Fremont but it is part of the patent/chain of title signed by Lincoln.

Very hard to read original says in city of Washington DC at the bottom.

[MountainDon]

That's really terrific!

You've mentioned chain of title somewhere else on here and it piqued my interest. I'm going to have to get started on this... only thing I know is that a whole lot of the folks in the SW would be in doo-doo if someone came out of the woodwork and could prove they were an ancestor of someone who received a Spanish or Mexican Land grant.

[glenn kangiser]

That is true - todays titles can be run right over by someone with a patent.  They would have to pick up their stuff and move.

The site the Rookie posted is the best I've seen on explaining this.  I have a bit more work to do on my patent - got the papers together though.

http://teamlaw.org/

Check out the forum and the title  Land 101 in the land patents section of the forum.  You'll get lost in there once you start reading.

[siggers]

Any idea what the worst thing that could happen if you go ahead and build your cabin or cottage w/e, install your own septic or composting toilet/grey water system, without the required permits? From what I understand being on a public water system they would shut that off. I have also heard threats of placing a non comforming building mark on the land title. I have also read in my district listed in thier by laws a threat of 6 months in jail and a fine of up to $10000 and a new charge for each day it continues. Pretty heavy threats imo. Also im a bit concerned by taking out a building permit, you pay them money, yet they come and inspect but they are not at all liable in any way. It also states on the building permit form that you should seek advise form a laywer prior to signing.

This is a funny write up on building inspectors.
http://www.newswithviews.com/Bill/sizemore49.htm