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Title: Northern MI Homestead
Post by: NorthernMich on April 06, 2007, 06:05:06 PM
It was great to browse the projects here....wow.  So many of us know the work, time and money involved.

I'd like to share my journey.  It started with two wooded lots in 1998 or so.  I built a small 7x13 "trapper cabin".  While very small it does have a treated beam foundation...so it could be moved.  Totally insulated.

Rough oak 24" OC trusses, rough cut sidewalls.  It was gray at first to blend into the woods, I later decided to dress it up with cedar and could not bear to paint the cedar gray.  It has a sleeping loft with two pexiglass skylights.  Piped for propane to an RV heater, sink and uninstalled woodstove.  A lantern will keep it warm, although it was -17 this winter and I have not tested that theory :)

Projects in order-trapper cabin, road, electric to H panel, garage-needs siding (has loft), second drive, Morton pole barn (30x60)-they do an awesome barn, basement dug out....decided to as 12x20 sunroom...so excavation needed again.  chicken coop, 4x8 deer blind

(https://img.photobucket.com/albums/v291/CoachB/Cabin_001.jpg) WOODS

(https://img.photobucket.com/albums/v291/CoachB/cabin_025.jpg) Trapper Cabin

(https://img.photobucket.com/albums/v291/CoachB/property8_20_004.jpg) ROAD

(https://img.photobucket.com/albums/v291/CoachB/property8_20_008.jpg) Electric

(https://img.photobucket.com/albums/v291/CoachB/Dec2004006.jpg) Garage

more later....

Title: Re: Northern MI Homestead
Post by: NorthernMich on April 06, 2007, 06:52:12 PM
more... ;)

garage foundation...had to join the ROCK crowd in here....I have rocks too

(https://img.photobucket.com/albums/v291/CoachB/property8_20_009.jpg) garage foundation

(https://img.photobucket.com/albums/v291/CoachB/Polebarn.jpg) Pole Barn, tractor with flat  :P

(https://img.photobucket.com/albums/v291/CoachB/Jan20006.jpg) Door On Garage

(https://img.photobucket.com/albums/v291/CoachB/spring_garage.jpg) Garage in background, house excavation

Title: Re: Northern MI Homestead
Post by: NorthernMich on April 06, 2007, 06:56:21 PM
(https://img.photobucket.com/albums/v291/CoachB/basement.jpg) Basement dig

(https://img.photobucket.com/albums/v291/CoachB/basement2.jpg) more...

(https://img.photobucket.com/albums/v291/CoachB/garden2.jpg) 2006 garden (raised beds)

(https://img.photobucket.com/albums/v291/CoachB/chalet1a.jpg) Sorta what I want....ICF all the way up, open loft 28x44 walkout with sunroom

Thanks for looking....the chicken coop pics disappeared  >:(
Title: Re: Northern MI Homestead
Post by: glenn-k on April 06, 2007, 08:27:15 PM
Nice area, scenery and projects.  Glad I'm not the only one with rocks.  We just circled a bunch up and made raised bed garden between them and behind a rock wall.  Can't let the gophers go hungry. :-/
Title: Re: Northern MI Homestead
Post by: MountainDon on April 06, 2007, 09:00:17 PM
Lovely woods. Lots of work you've done there. Very nice.
Title: Re: Northern MI Homestead
Post by: desdawg on April 14, 2007, 08:53:00 AM
Nice area. Man I hate this dialup connection. It try's to load all of the pictures at one time and I wind up with none of them for a long time.
Title: Re: Northern MI Homestead
Post by: NorthernMich on August 28, 2007, 07:09:20 PM
Updates to follow-garage, gravel, looking to build 12 x 24 cabin in one west 2 acre section :)

(https://img.photobucket.com/albums/v291/CoachB/garage007.jpg)
Title: Re: Northern MI Homestead
Post by: NorthernMich on August 28, 2007, 07:58:59 PM
Family can be awesome.  I arrived at the property last week to find them removing the culvert that I had been made to buy and put in by the county.  They are redoing the road and a ditch was open and a new longer one had been laid.  As I crossed by foot across the ditch, one of the four-man crew was my cousin.  

In conversation, I said if I knew you guys were tearing up the road I'd have gotten some of that gravel with my tractor...and laughed.  I also asked my cousin if he was part of the crew that brought in new gravel and he said no....to bad I said, I would take a couple loads of gravel. He said he wasn't.

I returned two days later to find BOTH driveways graveled and leveled.  My first thought was THAT cousin of mine, the second was that my local excavating guy came before I got an estimate and got the communication mixed up.  A return phone call confirmed I had no bill from him coming.  Finally found my cousin  and asked him if he was the gravel "fairy".  He laughed and said yes.  He told me they hit some high spots and brought 150 yards in....wow, 150 yards.

I brought him three packages of landjaegars for lunch (yep you non hicks can Google that).  I now plan to get #20 of venison landjaegars made up for him this fall.


(https://img.photobucket.com/albums/v291/CoachB/garage012.jpg) West drive

(https://img.photobucket.com/albums/v291/CoachB/garage001.jpg) East drive
Title: Re: Northern MI Homestead
Post by: glenn-k on August 28, 2007, 09:28:33 PM
Garage looks great and nice surprise on the driveway. :)
Title: Re: Northern MI Homestead
Post by: MountainDon on August 29, 2007, 08:24:28 PM
No need to be a hick. Just have German ancestry. Type of dried snack sausage. At least the Grandma made were.

And that's a very nice road, BTW.
Title: Re: Northern MI Homestead
Post by: nyvinny on August 30, 2007, 09:44:20 AM
NorthenMich Glad you posted your projects,looks terrific so far,Your property looks similar to ours with the long driveway and sites up in back for buildings. we are considering a morton barn, one drawback is a long waiting list,but sales office close by. How was your experience with them. Many people have ordered and had them built by them.They have a style and size for everyone.The benchmark around here is morton and no I don't work for them.Just curious about details on your barn ,looks great.Maybe you could post a  few pics on construction of your barn.How about info on your electric service to your site,length of run ,difficulty with rock,etc. thanks for sharing.
Title: Re: Northern MI Homestead
Post by: NorthernMich on August 31, 2007, 08:31:51 PM
NorthenMich Glad you posted your projects,looks terrific so far,Your property looks similar to ours with the long driveway and sites up in back for buildings. we are considering a morton barn, one drawback is a long waiting list,but sales office close by. How was your experience with them. Many people have ordered and had them built by them.They have a style and size for everyone.The benchmark around here is morton and no I don't work for them.Just curious about details on your barn ,looks great.Maybe you could post a  few pics on construction of your barn.How about info on your electric service to your site,length of run ,difficulty with rock,etc. thanks for sharing.

Let's see if I can help...first off I am so glad that I use an accordion type plastic file box where I keep receipts, paperwork and info on projected projects...makes it real easy to retrieve things ,I work at being organized-not natural :)

Morton- I viewed several Morton buildings locally, for a rural community we have many.  One local body shop had one close and near the size I wanted....but has the paint room and full insulation and an office....the owner could not say enough good things about his.  I find mine to be straight and "heavy-duty" as far as it's thickness of metal, paint, attention to detail.....my specifics: local construction quotrd me $32,000, my Morton was $35,566.  (30 x 60) The single overhead door is big enough to allow my 26' camper to be housed inside....I recommend the height option...for trucks, I can even build a small building inside and haul it out when finished.  I did not have a long wait...all in supply and demand I suppose.

My original dozing and leveling of driveways was $2250.  The slab for barn was estimated at $6560 but I added in a 4 inch pipe with drain that brought it to $7200. The electrical was $1527.

Electrical service crossed overhead and they drilled three poles with a carbide....I paid less than $150 for the local Coop to bring in the electric.  The H panel allows me to underground the rest.  H panel install was $750.  I had two trenches dug with a backhoe....H panel to garage and H panel to polebarn (down lower unimproved drive that follows base of hill.  The electrician does the type of wire based on length of run, not sure what it was but I have a rolling measurer if you need that info.  The PB is wired for 220 as well.

I imagine the Morton site will show you HOW the do the posts...quite unique and plenty of treated wood.

Speaking of H panel and gravel, check out the new visitors I had :)


(https://img.photobucket.com/albums/v291/CoachB/turkeys004.jpg)
Title: Re: Northern MI Homestead
Post by: glenn-k on August 31, 2007, 10:57:45 PM
Thanks for the numbers, NorthernMich.  Don will love them --- I'll bet he's already written them down somewhere so he can crunch them in his pocket calculator. :)  Lots of people benefit here.

Looks like a bunch of wild turkeys.  W have quite a few here too.  I likem. :)
Title: Re: Northern MI Homestead
Post by: NorthernMich on September 01, 2007, 12:08:35 PM
I have spent hours viewing other's plans and types of foundations...42 inches is the frost line in Michigan but I see many building in Washington and Canada with a pier foundation block atop gravel...here's a hole where I want cabin, that's how much rock I have at 17 inches...mostly clay surrounding?

I'd hate to do a poured footing back here.

12 x 24

Suggestions??

Thanks, Earl

(https://img.photobucket.com/albums/v291/CoachB/Aug_Septproperty003.jpg)


(https://img.photobucket.com/albums/v291/CoachB/Aug_Septproperty004.jpg)
(https://img.photobucket.com/albums/v291/CoachB/Aug_Septproperty010.jpg)
Cabin spot  :) (added pics)
Title: Re: Northern MI Homestead
Post by: glenn-k on September 01, 2007, 02:58:32 PM
Any possibility of getting a tractor or truck mounted auger or post hole digger to come in and drill the holes for you?

Title: Re: Northern MI Homestead
Post by: NorthernMich on September 01, 2007, 07:53:34 PM
possible Glenn or maybe a two man power auger, I don't mind the dig but need info on freeze/winter/movement on pier type.

I have seen the use of insulation to keep the temperature stable....just wish I knew about stability.  The companies that make the deck blocks do NOT advise using them in a house foundation.   I suppose worse comes to worse I could jack it up and do footings....just looking for something cheaper.

http://www.summerwood.com/construction/cabins/foundation.html

http://www.bellsouthpwp.net/n/i/nibblet/land/cabin/floor.html  I think this one is in Washington State

http://www.countryplans.com/wing.html New York, uses 12 Sonotubes (14x24)

(http://www.countryplans.com/images/wing1.jpg)  12 Sonotubes (14x24)

(http://www.bellsouthpwp.net/n/i/nibblet/land/cabin/images/joists.jpg) 12 deck blocks and gravel

Title: Re: Northern MI Homestead
Post by: MountainDon on September 03, 2007, 08:01:01 PM
QuoteThanks for the numbers, NorthernMich.  Don will love them --- I'll bet he's already written them down somewhere so he can crunch them in his pocket calculator. :)  Lots of people benefit here.
Only one thing wrong there Glenn. I prefer to use my Windows calculator with the numeric keypad.   :) :)

And those look like turkeys to me too. Saw several this weekend walking across our land. Hope they another visit between Sept 15 or 16...
Title: Re: Northern MI Homestead
Post by: glenn kangiser on September 03, 2007, 08:31:37 PM
I must have been close Don-- missed the computer part.  Hmmm :-/
Title: Re: Northern MI Homestead
Post by: NorthernMich on September 11, 2008, 06:19:34 AM
Hey this summer I got the basement under the sunroom dug for the house...so waiting on $$ and finishing other sidetracked projects.

I am building that 14 x 24 cabin I talked about....because of the rocks here I had to have holes excavated...plus he moved a huge ash tree that would have disturbed the cabin potentially with roots.  That was $500.  I poured 6 12" 48 inch deep concrete tubes, added the threaded bolt and miraculously it is perfectly level :)  The piers are 12 foot apart all ways, I added simpson brackets...I know..show pics.  They are coming soon.  The 14 foot span then will be cantilevered.  I used carriage bolts and 3/8 plywood with treated 2x8x12's to create the parallel bases.  I have added like 9-2x8x14s on those so far and filled in a few holes...before I fill in two holes I will rig up a graywater pvc drainage into them.

Last week during the project as fall rapidly comes here, I was able to obtain FREE from a house in town some nice 3 1/2? wide pine T&G flooring....from like the 40's.  Then on a second trip I procured some nice...12 foot plus 2 by rough cut beams.  I also got tons of 2x4 material with plenty more there.  Idea pops in head  d*

Backup...walls were planned as 2x6...anyway the idea...back wall with no window, 14' width...aha, use the 2x4s for a double stud wall, alternating on a 2x6 plate at 16" intervals...free 2x4s...why not?  I may have enough 2x4s to do another wall that way.  It actually seems that it would have an even greater R value than a conventional 2x6 wall.

Cabin will also get a deck...recommendations out there?  size of deck? 14 foot width by...4,6?

Thanks, Earl
so the posting and the work continues  ;)

Photos and updates forthcoming....we are getting scattered frost, deer season next week for some antlerless...
Title: Re: Northern MI Homestead
Post by: MountainDon on September 11, 2008, 09:31:09 AM
Good to hear about the progress.  [cool]

"alternating on a 2x6 plate at 16" intervals." This would result in an incresed R factor for the entire wall. Your description is not clear on one thing though, is there an inner row and an outer row on 16" centers. Or do you mean you alternated the 16" spaced 2x4's, one to the outside, one to the inside, and so on in an alternating pattern?

Looking forward to seeing pictures.  :)
Title: Re: Northern MI Homestead
Post by: glenn kangiser on September 11, 2008, 10:11:24 AM
Glad to hear things are moving along. 
Title: Re: Northern MI Homestead
Post by: NorthernMich on September 11, 2008, 10:49:42 AM
Don:

like this

http://corvallisdowntownliving.com/Double%20Offset%20Stud%20Wall_files/2%20double%20wall%20fixed.png (http://corvallisdowntownliving.com/Double%20Offset%20Stud%20Wall_files/2%20double%20wall%20fixed.png)
(http://corvallisdowntownliving.com/Double%20Offset%20Stud%20Wall_files/2%20double%20wall%20fixed.png)

With many free 2x4s why not just make it happen?
;)
Title: Re: Northern MI Homestead
Post by: MountainDon on September 11, 2008, 11:47:45 AM
I can't tell what the spacing is from the picture. If I'm interpretting you correctly you are saying each stud is 16" apart, the following applies. If you are saying that each stud on the inside is 16 inches apart and each stud on the outside is 16 inches apart, and they are staggered as illustrated, then the following does NOT apply and this whole question of mine should be disregarded.

???

The reason I asked is while that method should produce a wall with good thermal insulation properties it also gives an effective 32 inch OC spacing on either side of the wall. I believe you have to consider each side of the wall separately when considering what sheathing is going to be installed.

That method would seem to make the use of 48 inch wide material a problem.  ???  Sheetrock would not work on 32 inch spacing. Check the span ratings on any sheathing you plan to use. If I'm correct even if the sheathing is stamped 32/16, for walls 24" is the max recognized by the IRC. I'd check that out.

Are you building in a code compliance area? That could also be a problem.

I don't want to discourage your recycling of materials, recycling added to free is good all round. I simply want to be sure you don't get into unforeseen problems.

Title: Re: Northern MI Homestead
Post by: NorthernMich on September 12, 2008, 10:35:30 AM
thanks for the input Don...two things...first is that I am blocked on this network from online communities, which in this case means also to links to servers like photobucket...so I can't access MY photobucket or most of the photos linked here...just nice red X's

All outside and inside dimensions would fall on 16 inch centers in the scenario I presented yesterday.  However, I had another idea over 2x6 construction.  If the 2x4s were spaced alternately at 24 OC that would still give a load as if one had 2x4 walls spaced at 12 inch intervals, you would use way less lumber, and 24 + 24 is still giving those 48 inch increments. A jack stud could be added in the corners.

New thought, less wood...also I unloaded and found 14-2x4x14s with taper cuts on end (so figure it a 12 footer), 7 studs, 7-2x6x12 rough cuts (and while, non standard they are all cut EXACTLY 2x6), some trim boards, pine siding and misc. 2x4s.  So I have enough for plates. Next to get calculator and graph paper out...yes I do it the old way  ;D

By the way, that first photo shows three studs, with alternating, the two outside studs seen would be 16 OC, my latest thought...24 OC..and one in center of that..so 12-12-12-12, etc.
Title: Re: Northern MI Homestead
Post by: NorthernMich on September 14, 2008, 04:43:18 PM
Here are some photos of the pier work loaded from my dialup connection.
(https://i272.photobucket.com/albums/jj174/FirstFruitsGarden/August025.jpg)

(https://i272.photobucket.com/albums/jj174/FirstFruitsGarden/August026.jpg)

(https://i272.photobucket.com/albums/jj174/FirstFruitsGarden/August038.jpg)

(https://i272.photobucket.com/albums/jj174/FirstFruitsGarden/August039.jpg)

Once it stops raining from the hurricanes down south I will take/load more photos.  I have the 14 foot floor joists on over more than half. I have my flooring stacked, 2x4s ready...next comes some pest deterrent panels around the perimeter, then the R30 insulation for the floor, vapor barrier and the T&G 4x8 plywood glued and screwed until I have the floor done.  I may just cover that with the metal roofing and tarps and wait until spring.  I can build 12 foot wall sections in the polebarn or garage to move later.

BTW, $500 solved my rock problem...I will add some pier blocks for more support and PVC air intake for woodstove through floor and PVC gray water drains into some of the footing holes I haven't filled in yet.

Also I want to note the 30 gallon water tank that I purchased, fits nice in a trailer with square bottom, I bought it for the spring maple syrup but used it to bring rainwater to site to do the pouring of the piers. It will come in handy. I also used rock from dig to add into the 12 inch piers.

Earl

ED: inserted spaces between pictures for better visibility - MD
Title: Re: Northern MI Homestead
Post by: Redoverfarm on September 14, 2008, 05:18:38 PM
Earl looks like the shed was in the way.  Like your mixer.  Used one just like that.  Older model are still better than the new ones.  Also looks like you had a few rocks to contend with.  Just stack them up and let the rain wash them off and use them for your fireplace, flue or skirting around the bottom.  On your way.
Title: Re: Northern MI Homestead
Post by: NorthernMich on September 14, 2008, 06:23:08 PM
John:
   Thanks for looking...I pulled the 4x8 deer blind out soon after the dig...it was built on notched 4x4s (2x4s across as floor joists) and my winch on the Jeep made it easy...it goes to a friend's property for deer season and then back to my place in the spring IF the snow isn't too deep to be used as the "Sugar Shack" for maple syrup.

Also, no photos BUT the 24 foot parallel boards for footings are 2 treated 2x8x12s with 3/8 plywood between to fill Simpson bracket and to allow water to not gather in crack. Then I used 1/2 inch carriage bolts..2 on each end and one at about a 6 foot interval, this pulls the sandwiched boards together creating more of a beam. These 12 foot apart rails serve as the base for 14 foot non-treated 2x8x14 floor joists to sit cantilevered...so cabin is 14x24...deck added on later...I left room on the end piers to attach that...every now and then I come up with good planning  ???
Title: Re: Northern MI Homestead
Post by: glenn kangiser on September 14, 2008, 11:08:47 PM
Nice pix.  Bet they took some time on dial up.  I've been there. 
Title: Re: Northern MI Homestead
Post by: NorthernMich on September 22, 2008, 06:24:04 AM
 :)  w*
(https://i272.photobucket.com/albums/jj174/FirstFruitsGarden/Cabin/Cabin9_20_08010.jpg)
(https://i272.photobucket.com/albums/jj174/FirstFruitsGarden/Cabin/Cabin9_20_08015.jpg)
Joining the 2-2x8x12 treated joints
(https://i272.photobucket.com/albums/jj174/FirstFruitsGarden/Cabin/Cabin9_20_08016.jpg)
Step one....bottom retainers-pegboard and or 3/8 plywood
(https://i272.photobucket.com/albums/jj174/FirstFruitsGarden/Cabin/Cabin9_20_08017.jpg)
Step 2 add R11 batts
(https://i272.photobucket.com/albums/jj174/FirstFruitsGarden/Cabin/Cabin9_20_08018.jpg)
Step three, top off with faced R19 adding up to R-30 in floor, vapor barrier to inside
Title: Re: Northern MI Homestead
Post by: NorthernMich on September 22, 2008, 06:30:47 AM
(https://i272.photobucket.com/albums/jj174/FirstFruitsGarden/Cabin/Cabin9_20_08019-1.jpg)
Finished floor insulating R30
(https://i272.photobucket.com/albums/jj174/FirstFruitsGarden/Cabin/Cabin9_20_08006.jpg)


(https://i272.photobucket.com/albums/jj174/FirstFruitsGarden/Cabin/Cabin9_20_08011.jpg)
My salvaged T & G pine flooring-3 1/2 and 4 1/2
(https://i272.photobucket.com/albums/jj174/FirstFruitsGarden/Cabin/Cabin9_20_08005.jpg)
Cabin floor through the woods. I will use the blocks (more) to support the cantilevered wall later.  Clay rock base...I'm sure 6 12 inch piers are overkill.  But I have seen more on this site.

Thanks for looking and thanks for the site...hope to work together to bring ideas out.  Earl


PS...son's deer blind in air on right... ;)

(https://i272.photobucket.com/albums/jj174/FirstFruitsGarden/Cabin/Cabin9_20_08014.jpg)


Title: Re: Northern MI Homestead
Post by: glenn kangiser on September 22, 2008, 09:47:37 AM
Thanks for the pix and update.
Title: Re: Northern MI Homestead
Post by: Redoverfarm on September 22, 2008, 05:53:03 PM
Earl look like you may be a little remote there.  I worry about the insulation and it getting wet.  I would lay plastic on the deck then lay the metal sloped a little to drain  (2-2X4 stacked then 1-2X4 in middle and then none on the other edge. Then if you want to tarp it also.  The snow will lay on the metal and thaw and refreeze opening the metal up at the seams.  Water will find it's own way down.  It doesn't look like you have enough room to get under there to replace. 

Good luck

John
Title: Re: Northern MI Homestead
Post by: MountainDon on September 22, 2008, 06:45:03 PM
I'll also voice my concerns like John just did. I'll go a bit further and add that my personal experience with attempting to keep my cabin floor dry this summer was futile. We carefully covered the OSB T&G subfloor with 6 mil plastic. It rained that same afternoon. Water found it's way under the plastic though pinholes I couldn't even see.  >:(  Lots of water.

http://countryplans.com/smf/index.php?topic=2335.msg61575#msg61575 (http://countryplans.com/smf/index.php?topic=2335.msg61575#msg61575)

If I was not on site when this occurred, the water trapped under the plastic would have been baked by the sun when the clouds cleared the next day.  >:( >:(  Steaming the OSB. I had visions of the OSB all separating.  :o So I cut the plastic off swept the floor clear of water and continued with the walls and roof. I can't recall how many times we swept the floor after it rained. Fortunately the OSB came through with only a couple of flakes lifting and no edge damage. But we were there every day. We used tarps to cover the floor, one of top of the other, when we weren't working. When it rained water still managed to find its way through.

When I started planning my cabin I had the same thoughts about insulating the floor as you did. In my case I was very glad I did not pursue that route. I don't want to sound like a doomsdayer, but I'd do everything I could to "tent" materials to prevent water from pooling. Best of luck.
Title: Re: Northern MI Homestead
Post by: NorthernMich on March 02, 2009, 10:17:47 AM
Maple syrup time around the corner....starting my first time...I'll post pics

Title: Re: Northern MI Homestead
Post by: Redoverfarm on March 02, 2009, 10:39:45 AM
Ours kicks off the 2nd week of March.  Still a little cold.  50:1 ratio is a lot of work. Good Luck
Title: Re: Northern MI Homestead
Post by: NorthernMich on March 27, 2009, 08:04:59 AM
Batch #1 maple syrup done....still some snow in the woods....getting ancy to start building again....been constructing on INSIDE of polebarn :)

(https://img.photobucket.com/albums/v291/CoachB/Maple%20Syrup/March17002.jpg)

(https://img.photobucket.com/albums/v291/CoachB/Maple%20Syrup/March17003.jpg)
(https://img.photobucket.com/albums/v291/CoachB/Maple%20Syrup/March17004.jpg)
(https://img.photobucket.com/albums/v291/CoachB/Maple%20Syrup/March17005.jpg)

This was last weeks snow...hope it's way different this weekend :)
Title: Re: Northern MI Homestead
Post by: MountainDon on March 27, 2009, 10:09:18 AM
Maple Syrup.... yummy!! :)
Title: Re: Northern MI Homestead
Post by: NorthernMich on December 09, 2009, 01:31:32 PM

(https://i272.photobucket.com/albums/jj174/FirstFruitsGarden/Cabin/CabinAug09016.jpg)

(https://i272.photobucket.com/albums/jj174/FirstFruitsGarden/Cabin/CabinAug09014.jpg)

(https://i272.photobucket.com/albums/jj174/FirstFruitsGarden/Cabin/cabinAug.jpg)

https://s272.photobucket.com/albums/jj174/FirstFruitsGarden/Cabin/?action=view&current=9a0d477f.pbw (https://s272.photobucket.com/albums/jj174/FirstFruitsGarden/Cabin/?action=view&current=9a0d477f.pbw)
Title: Re: Northern MI Homestead
Post by: NorthernMich on December 09, 2009, 02:01:54 PM
three walls are actually ready now...will need windows, rough in and porch addition...it is modeled off something like this.
(http://www.shawneestructures.com/2008-stock/ms-51bg.jpg)
Title: Re: Northern MI Homestead
Post by: poppy on December 09, 2009, 02:09:27 PM
So, did the floor insulation stay dry?
Title: Re: Northern MI Homestead
Post by: NorthernMich on January 02, 2010, 03:05:22 PM
I hate to look...but I did not have all that much in....right now too much snow and 0 degrees...planning on doing wall sections inside the pole barn...way easier and then truck them out to the site :)

I stopped to look at this design near Kalkaska MI, the angled plate on the wall studs and studs cut to the pitch was VERY interesting...I did some Pythagorean to add some to the top plate in my design to gain room in the loft...maybe have this design on top...since this IS information station I decided to post pics...thanks for the great site and friendly help.

Earl

Photos follow...
Title: Re: Northern MI Homestead
Post by: NorthernMich on January 02, 2010, 03:07:14 PM
(https://i272.photobucket.com/albums/jj174/FirstFruitsGarden/Cabin%20Plans/TCTrip008-1.jpg)

(https://i272.photobucket.com/albums/jj174/FirstFruitsGarden/Cabin%20Plans/TCTrip009.jpg)
Title: Re: Northern MI Homestead
Post by: NorthernMich on January 02, 2010, 03:08:52 PM
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Title: Re: Northern MI Homestead
Post by: NorthernMich on January 02, 2010, 03:10:34 PM
(https://i272.photobucket.com/albums/jj174/FirstFruitsGarden/Cabin%20Plans/TCTrip022.jpg)
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Title: Re: Northern MI Homestead
Post by: MountainDon on January 02, 2010, 04:43:39 PM
That is an odd way to build with the angled top plate. I don't see it as any easier to build than building with square cut studs with the top plate flat and then simply cutting the rafters at angles to sit on the top plate.   ???  Maybe I'm missing something that somebody else can point out?


And just how are those rafters secured to the wall framing?

It looks cute, though.   :) :)
Title: Re: Northern MI Homestead
Post by: NorthernMich on January 02, 2010, 04:59:04 PM
rafters are "attached" two nails from the angled plate, nailed through T-111 into angled end and on top through the roof sheathing.  If, like me, you have an inside wall...it would tie it in just fine.  I'm going to see if they make a Simpson bracket to attach an inside wall to the top plates...bet they make one :)

This IS just a storage building but they did a pretty good job...not perfect.

Not cutting a bird's mouth would seem to make the rafter stronger, with a steel roof and 10:12 pitch I don't plan on a snow load...if snow sticks, the next winter I'll just WAX the roof  ;)

Earl
Title: Re: Northern MI Homestead
Post by: NorthernMich on May 05, 2011, 09:37:27 AM
sidetracked to finish garage....photos of ICF stacked in garage to do house as garage is finished

(https://img.photobucket.com/albums/v291/CoachB/b34be78c.jpg)
Title: Re: Northern MI Homestead
Post by: NorthernMich on May 05, 2011, 09:42:18 AM
(https://img.photobucket.com/albums/v291/CoachB/943a5593.jpg)

Spot for house...ICF all the way Chalet

(https://s272.photobucket.com/albums/jj174/FirstFruitsGarden/DSCF1038.jpg)

garage almost finished....inside was insulated and OSB put on walls and ceiling

(https://s272.photobucket.com/albums/jj174/FirstFruitsGarden/DSCF1045.jpg)

view from garage loft now...other side is for shooting deer...no shooting through these :)

(https://s272.photobucket.com/albums/jj174/FirstFruitsGarden/DSCF1046.jpg)

(https://s272.photobucket.com/albums/jj174/FirstFruitsGarden/DSCF1047.jpg)
Title: Re: Northern MI Homestead
Post by: Sassy on May 05, 2011, 02:05:09 PM
Fancy garage  :) cute cabin, looking forward to seeing your progress on the house!
Title: Re: Northern MI Homestead
Post by: NorthernMich on December 03, 2011, 06:29:33 PM
House-ICF all the way, exception a 12 x 16 sunroom


(https://img.photobucket.com/albums/v291/CoachB/House/b2e4607a.jpg)

(https://img.photobucket.com/albums/v291/CoachB/House/3198e7a7.jpg) pole barn in background

(https://img.photobucket.com/albums/v291/CoachB/House/da25ebb6.jpg)
Title: Re: Northern MI Homestead
Post by: NorthernMich on December 03, 2011, 06:31:26 PM
pumper truck

(https://img.photobucket.com/albums/v291/CoachB/House/85dc7ced.jpg)

(https://img.photobucket.com/albums/v291/CoachB/House/fe3722aa.jpg)

sunroom basement

(https://img.photobucket.com/albums/v291/CoachB/House/875f3395.jpg)
Title: Re: Northern MI Homestead
Post by: NorthernMich on December 03, 2011, 06:35:06 PM
(https://img.photobucket.com/albums/v291/CoachB/House/8dbf308c.jpg)  footings

(https://img.photobucket.com/albums/v291/CoachB/House/0bde7c8a.jpg)

Title: Re: Northern MI Homestead
Post by: NorthernMich on December 03, 2011, 06:40:44 PM
(https://img.photobucket.com/albums/v291/CoachB/0067acd7.jpg)  more garage, door boxed in for future greenhouse (spring summer)  wood storage fall winter
Title: Re: Northern MI Homestead
Post by: NorthernMich on December 03, 2011, 06:43:04 PM
This month is also finish wood stove in garage month....waiting on the right size flashing 10/12 but actually fits well on 6 inch, last one was goofy, ordered 8 inch flashing, go figure
Title: Re: Northern MI Homestead
Post by: NorthernMich on December 24, 2011, 10:52:44 PM
Stoves in, set the blocks under the feet, triple screw each joint of the black pipe and light er up :)
Title: Re: Northern MI Homestead
Post by: Sassy on December 24, 2011, 11:49:39 PM
What's the size of your build?  Looks like you are moving along pretty quickly.  Looking forward to seeing more pictures, you know we love pictures  :)
Title: Re: Northern MI Homestead
Post by: glenn kangiser on December 24, 2011, 11:54:07 PM
Cool, Northernmich.   ICF's should do great up there.  My cousin builds lots of them.

The big concrete pumpers are fun to watch... likely not as fun to pay for though.  :)

I have worked on one major one and one minor one as I recall.  I did all of the steel for a big hospital office building  and just minor work on a residential ICF job on another project.  Thanks for posting.

Title: Re: Northern MI Homestead
Post by: NorthernMich on March 12, 2012, 06:09:18 AM
chalet 28 x 44

sunroom 12 x 16

loft in back

deck

walkout basement
Title: Re: Northern MI Homestead
Post by: NorthernMich on March 14, 2012, 06:00:15 AM
spring's coming, this goes in/on next

http://www.buildblock.com/products/waterproofing/DMX.asp (http://www.buildblock.com/products/waterproofing/DMX.asp)


more pics from last fall
(https://img.photobucket.com/albums/v291/CoachB/House/2d2ee471.jpg)


pole barn in background :)

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Title: Re: Northern MI Homestead
Post by: Redoverfarm on March 14, 2012, 06:31:45 AM
Should make a good dry basement.  Sure beats the old asphalt roof coating material.
Title: Re: Northern MI Homestead
Post by: NorthernMich on March 14, 2012, 09:04:39 AM
the plastic is heavy, and the dimples prevent changes in pressure and the base around basement is all French drain tube, covering with sand and then gravel

Here's the homemade wood stove installed in garage....will take photos of stove installed later...I also installed the wall mounted propane heater in man room loft area

(https://img.photobucket.com/albums/v291/CoachB/woodstove.jpg)
The top and door are made of heavy copper, I'll polish for fun one day or put it in the cabin.
Title: Re: Northern MI Homestead
Post by: NorthernMich on December 20, 2012, 07:33:07 PM
(https://img.photobucket.com/albums/v291/CoachB/DSCF9074.jpg)
(https://img.photobucket.com/albums/v291/CoachB/DSCF9053.jpg)

Actually more done than this photos coming.
Title: Re: Northern MI Homestead
Post by: NorthernMich on December 20, 2012, 07:34:20 PM
month ago

(https://img.photobucket.com/albums/v291/CoachB/DSCF9039.jpg)
Title: Re: Northern MI Homestead
Post by: NorthernMich on December 29, 2012, 07:49:31 PM
Getting there

(https://sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash3/534379_539076996103724_1411147111_n.jpg)
Title: Re: Northern MI Homestead
Post by: NorthernMich on December 29, 2012, 07:52:03 PM
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Title: Re: Northern MI Homestead
Post by: BenB on December 31, 2012, 11:06:25 AM
Gonna be sweet when ya get her all done!
Where about in N MI are you at? If you have posted this I missed it somewhere along the line. :-[

The ICF's are my hope to implement too but I imagine the cost may make me change my mind in the end. Right now I am looking to build NW of L'anse unless something changes, In talking to folks they all say the concrete is the killer cost.

Willing to toss me a ballpark on what it set you back? Might help me decide icf vs simple block on footings.
Thanks

Happy New Year to all!
Title: Re: Northern MI Homestead
Post by: NorthernMich on January 06, 2014, 12:05:28 PM
99% finished.

Need winter pics from outside.

Fall-
(https://i272.photobucket.com/albums/jj174/FirstFruitsGarden/DSCF1014_zps8e9d9473.jpg)

(https://img.photobucket.com/albums/v291/CoachB/DSCF1013_zpsfd807e6a.jpg)

(https://img.photobucket.com/albums/v291/CoachB/DSCF1011_zpsaffd2791.jpg)

(https://img.photobucket.com/albums/v291/CoachB/DSCF1014_zpsbe1b6c94.jpg)

Will start on cabin in spring....decided to use leftover ICF blocks

then chicken coop

have a greenhouse to have moved in (already finished) built it here in the pole barn
Title: Re: Northern MI Homestead
Post by: NorthernMich on January 06, 2014, 12:12:46 PM
28 x 44

12 x 16 sunroom

loft

walkout basement

in floor radiant heat

natural gas

windows open to shoot food from :)

Title: Re: Northern MI Homestead
Post by: NorthernMich on February 06, 2014, 09:44:15 AM
The cabin in the woods will use my leftover ICF blocks....will heat with wood....both the house and cabin will have some type of solar.

Pics in the spring  :)


You can see the wire sticking up in this peak photo....goes to solar panel to be mounted yet

(https://img.photobucket.com/albums/v291/CoachB/DSCF1011_zpsaffd2791.jpg)
Title: Re: Northern MI Homestead
Post by: NorthernMich on March 25, 2014, 11:40:59 AM
Projects

___ small greenhouse

___ chicken coop

___ small cabin remodel

(https://img.photobucket.com/albums/v291/CoachB/cabin_025.jpg)

steel roof, insulate, siding, woodstove

___ 16 x 24 ICF cabin

___ woodshed/Maple Syrup Shack

___ raised beds

___ water system (rainwater)

___ odds and ends on house