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Title: 20x 30 1 1/2 story- in Lac-Des-Plages, Quebec
Post by: sharbin on May 30, 2008, 10:30:44 PM
Hello all,

This is the first time I post here, though I've been reading this forum for more than a year now. Great stories, great friendships, great forum.

I am contemplating the idea of having cathedral style ceiling in the loft area of the 20x30 1 1/2 story cottage, as demonstrated in the illustration. Have any one done that? If so, what was the hight used to put the rafter ties? what lumber dimension was used for the ties and rafters. Note that I live in Quebec, Canada were we have lots of snow.

Many thanks.

Sharbin
Title: Re: 20x 30 1 1/2 story- loft area: rafter roof
Post by: glenn kangiser on May 30, 2008, 11:25:07 PM
Welcome to the forum, Sharbin.  Over a year hmm  wow ...didn't know we were that entertaining. :)

Heavy snow load would likely make you want to keep the ties as low as possible for more bracing -- although you may want to have a local professional review it to make sure you are strong enough.  Do you know what your snow loading is?
Title: Re: 20x 30 1 1/2 story- loft area: rafter roof
Post by: Bobby.B on May 31, 2008, 06:57:52 AM
Welcome Sharbin. I stated building my 20x30 1 1/2 story cottage in Quebec last summer. I used 2x6 for the rafters and 3  2x8 side by side for the ties and I went with an 8 12 pitch 35 degrees roof.  I went threw this winter with only 2 ties I will be adding one more closer to the loft .
wow what an awesome winter almost a record snowfall 
(http://lh3.ggpht.com/bobby.boisvert/Rwu4s_EMJjI/AAAAAAAACTQ/4YlsRaBf1no/178.JPG?imgmax=640)



Edit: repaired image tag - MD
Title: Re: 20x 30 1 1/2 story- loft area: rafter roof
Post by: sharbin on May 31, 2008, 11:26:20 AM
Thank you guys for the welcome.

For the snow load, I have no idea  ???. I tried looking everywhere on the web but I could not find the info. Do you know (especially Bobby) where to find such information?

Side note: I am not able to upload my Illustration, evethough it is 80k  ???
Title: Re: 20x 30 1 1/2 story- loft area: rafter roof
Post by: glenn kangiser on May 31, 2008, 11:44:58 AM
The county - government officials can tell you snow load info - maybe a local architect or engineer could.

Start a free Photobucket account- load the illustration there then copy the bottom img tag from Photobucket and paste it here in your reply.  It will then appear here.

https://s35.photobucket.com
Title: Re: 20x 30 1 1/2 story- loft area: rafter roof
Post by: sharbin on May 31, 2008, 05:43:33 PM
Thanks Glenn.

Here is my illustration (https://i254.photobucket.com/albums/hh99/sharbinsa/Cottage/rafterties.jpg)
Title: Re: 20x 30 1 1/2 story- loft area: rafter roof
Post by: glenn kangiser on May 31, 2008, 07:46:42 PM
I think John said 7 feet was a minimum for occupied space.  Different heights for other uses - loft - storage etc.  I don't know the other numbers.

The lower it is the stronger it is though.
Title: Re: 20x 30 1 1/2 story- loft area: rafter roof
Post by: sharbin on June 01, 2008, 04:29:55 PM
My concern is about security rather legal habitable space ::). This is why I would need to know what is the least acceptable placement of the ties so that to have maximum clearance and appropriate strength.

Thanks.
Title: Re: 20x 30 1 1/2 story- loft area: rafter roof
Post by: glenn kangiser on June 01, 2008, 06:54:39 PM
I would say you would have to ask a local professional - architect or engineer familiar with snow loading.  They will want money to do the calc. 

That's the problem - it is beyond the scope of this forum. You  are trying to resist the outward push as the ridge tries to fall to the floor.  An alternative is to put a beam up there.  Again it would have to be sized by a pro based on your local conditions.
Title: Re: 20x 30 1 1/2 story- loft area: rafter roof
Post by: MaineRhino on June 01, 2008, 07:26:40 PM
Hi sharbin,

Our camp is just like that. We added a center post, eliminating the need for collar ties, although we will still use very short ones. We have a 8/12 pitch, and there seems to be plenty of head room. By the looks of your plans, you are using 10' walls, correct?

(https://i223.photobucket.com/albums/dd127/MaineRhino/Mountain%20Camp/101_3320.jpg)

We also had a massive snow load this past winter. The upper post was not in place all winter, but it did not sag!
Title: Re: 20x 30 1 1/2 story- loft area: rafter roof
Post by: sharbin on June 02, 2008, 09:46:05 PM
Yeah Glenn... I will drop the idea and do it as per plan... this is if I do not find anyone who did it that way :-[

Yes MaineRhino, I have a 10' walls and as per plans, the top of the loft floor is 1' 3/4'' below the top plate and the roof pitch is 12/12. Why did you choose the 8/12 pitch? Wouldn't the 12/12 give you more head room? Also isn't the higher the pitch the lower the snow load effect is ??? Are your rafters lying on the top plate?
Title: Re: 20x 30 1 1/2 story- loft area: rafter roof
Post by: MaineRhino on June 03, 2008, 04:32:05 PM
An 8/12 pitch was easier to work on. A 10/12 would have been better for headroom, but it feels very roomy up there with the 8/12 !  Also, I like the look of what we chose to do.

And yes, the rafters are attached to the top plate.

We had record snowfall this past winter, and we had no collar ties in place, and no upper post to support the roof. We had no sagging or spread from the snow load.  No worries now though!
Title: Re: 20x 30 1 1/2 story- loft area: rafter roof
Post by: Woodswalker on June 03, 2008, 05:12:33 PM
Not sure if my information will be of help, but may provide some insite.  I installed 2 x 8 rafters with a 2 x 10 ridge board in my 16' x 20', single room cabin.  It has a 6/12 pitch, and is vaulted below, with 4 exposed 2 x 10 collar ties, at every-other rafter.  The walls are 8' and the peak is 12', so I put them half way at about 10'.  The inspector had no concerns when he was there, and did mention that snow loads in that area have been measured as high as 80lbs/sq.ft.  My place is in central WA, about 15 miles from Canada, at 3,000 ft elevation.  The cabin has now gone through two winters, including this past one, when there was about 3' of snow on the roof for an extended period.  Roof has been solid, and no bulging of the sidewalls.  Exposed collar ties are a bear to sheetrock around, but well worth the effort, in my opinion.  Just finished hanging the ceiling rock this past week, and will be posting new pics in my thread soon.  As a local sage from up the hill told me when he saw the roof framing:  "That place will be standing longer than you care to use it."
Title: Re: 20x 30 1 1/2 story- loft area: rafter roof
Post by: sharbin on June 05, 2008, 02:27:35 PM
Thanks guys for your input... Am I the only one who is doing it this way :(
Title: Re: 20x 30 1 1/2 story- loft area: rafter roof
Post by: glenn kangiser on June 05, 2008, 11:57:43 PM
There are lot of people doing things one way that no one else has done.

You just need to satisfy yourself and see to it that it is strong enough for your conditions - which can vary greatly from one area to another.
Title: Re: 20x 30 1 1/2 story- loft area: rafter roof
Post by: sharbin on July 23, 2008, 11:00:25 AM
Hello All,

So I decided to put the decision of how to build the roof after putting up the walls.
I haven't shown the progress of building the cottage before, so now here are some pics from digging to framing flooring that was done last summer/fall. I will be building the walls in the coming weekend.

(https://i254.photobucket.com/albums/hh99/sharbinsa/Cottage%20construction%202007%20till/0_IMG_0044.jpg)
My father giving directions as I do the digging with the backhoe

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digging is done.

(https://i254.photobucket.com/albums/hh99/sharbinsa/Cottage%20construction%202007%20till/2_IMG_0029.jpg)
Framing the footings

(https://i254.photobucket.com/albums/hh99/sharbinsa/Cottage%20construction%202007%20till/3_IMG_0033.jpg)
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pouring cement is done



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footing framing is done and cinder blocks for the foundation is underway

(https://i254.photobucket.com/albums/hh99/sharbinsa/Cottage%20construction%202007%20till/7_IMG_0029_.jpg)
building foundation is complete. My parents finishing off the removal of trees roots

(https://i254.photobucket.com/albums/hh99/sharbinsa/Cottage%20construction%202007%20till/IMG_0044_.jpg)
mudsill plate is up

(https://i254.photobucket.com/albums/hh99/sharbinsa/Cottage%20construction%202007%20till/9_IMG_0094.jpg)
(https://i254.photobucket.com/albums/hh99/sharbinsa/Cottage%20construction%202007%20till/10_IMG_0150.jpg)
framing flooring is complete

(https://i254.photobucket.com/albums/hh99/sharbinsa/Cottage%20construction%202007%20till/11_C111107_1425_00.jpg)
French drain

(https://i254.photobucket.com/albums/hh99/sharbinsa/Lac%20Belisle-Winter%202008/IMG_0076_sml.jpg)
this is how much snow we got last winter (what you see at the base is the top of the flooring)

And this is how far we got!




Title: Re: 20x 30 1 1/2 story- loft area: rafter roof
Post by: Sassy on July 23, 2008, 11:53:06 AM
Great job!  I see we have another dancing person  8)  You certainly get a lot of snow!  I lived near Bellingham for 12 yrs - would get some snow or ice but it would be gone in a day or 2 - sometimes some pretty good drifts but it never stayed.  Wiser Lake, down the street from us would freeze for quite a ways from the shore - you could walk on it.

Thanks for sharing your progress!  Looks like a pretty area - lots of trees!  That must have been a nightmare getting all those roots out...
Title: Re: 20x 30 1 1/2 story- loft area: rafter roof
Post by: glenn kangiser on July 23, 2008, 11:54:12 AM
Thanks for the update.  That made it all look fast.
Title: Re: 20x 30 1 1/2 story- loft area: rafter roof
Post by: sharbin on August 18, 2008, 12:07:11 PM
Hello,

New pictures for framing the walls. I framed 2 of them(almost) but then realized that I cannot do anymore (shortage of space) on the floor before putting up the walls. So I cut all the needed lumber for framing all the windows and doors (10 of them) and piled the parts of each one as a package.
I am doing the walls by 10' sections with sheathing on before errecting them.
Next weekend I will rent a Wall Jack (I am working by myslelf and with the help of my wife sometimes) and start erecting the walls one by one. Hopefully all the walls will be up by the end of the weekend.... wish me luck ::)

(https://i254.photobucket.com/albums/hh99/sharbinsa/Cottage%20construction%202007%20till/IMG_0019.jpg)

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Title: Re: 20x 30 1 1/2 story- loft area: rafter roof
Post by: glenn kangiser on August 18, 2008, 12:16:39 PM
Looks good.
Title: Re: 20x 30 1 1/2 story- loft area: rafter roof
Post by: sharbin on August 27, 2008, 03:21:41 PM
We started erecting the walls last weekend 10' sections at a time using a wall jack . Well, the jack was about 6" short and did not realize that but after the wall was 3/4 of the way up! To cut a long story short, I only managed to erect three 10' sections. The coming weekend (long one) I will defenitly erect the rest  :)

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(https://i254.photobucket.com/albums/hh99/sharbinsa/Cottage%20construction%202007%20till/IMG_0062.jpg)
Title: Re: 20x 30 1 1/2 story- loft area: rafter roof
Post by: glenn kangiser on August 27, 2008, 03:34:13 PM
Looks like it's coming along well.
Title: Re: 20x 30 1 1/2 story- loft area: rafter roof
Post by: MountainDon on August 27, 2008, 05:01:47 PM
Little surprises like that with the jacks being too short slow ya' down a bit. I hate it when that happens.  :(



Are you going to have to install blocking at the horizontal panel edges or is that not a requirement in your rea? Simply curious.
Title: Re: 20x 30 1 1/2 story- loft area: rafter roof
Post by: ScottA on August 27, 2008, 05:21:27 PM
You're off to a great start. Looks good!  :)
Title: Re: 20x 30 1 1/2 story- loft area: rafter roof
Post by: rdzone on August 27, 2008, 05:27:30 PM
Bummer on the jacks! If I remember right I had to go pick up some knot free 16 footers to raise my 10 foot walls.  We raised a 10' sheathed, 34' long wall with two jacks and several ladders, definitely a scary proposition. 
Title: Re: 20x 30 1 1/2 story- loft area: rafter roof
Post by: okie-guy on August 28, 2008, 07:33:53 AM
I had the same reservations when I was framing my 1 1/2 story cabin. I need to update my pics but the framing ones are under "1 1/2 story in Okla." I put 2 X 12's as roof rafters and so I was able to double the knee walls. (see post). Also I put rafter ties 7 feet above the floor and have enclosed them with sheet rock with recessed lights. I also tried the post which was a basement jack to relieve side pressures. I think that 2 X12's are an overkill in Oklahoma with little snow , but it did give me a lot of space for insulation! I did not khow about the rafters having "crowns" on them and reversed 2  so I have 2 wavy parts of my deck which is not that noticable to everyone but me. Be sure to keep the crowns up. Good luck and I will update my pics soon. Mine is a long term project that I work on part time. I'm laying tile in the main room now. Good Luck with your project.
Title: Re: 20x 30 1 1/2 story- loft area: rafter roof
Post by: Woodswalker on August 28, 2008, 09:53:36 AM
In the early 90's, while building a home in S. Mpls, I and a neighbor in his 80's raised a 37' wall that had two 6', double glu-lam headers and was sheathed with 5/8" plywood.  Couldn't find any wall-jacks to rent, so did it with a couple of rented chain hoists.  Placed a couple of used, large wood beams vertically in the excavation outside the block foundation and attached the hoists about 10' above the deck and ran chains down to the top of the wall, lying on the deck.  Installed blocking on the exterior of the deck edge to keep the wall from slipping off while raising it, and pre-installed braces at each end that were ready to be nailed solid as soon as the wall was up to keep it from tipping out or back in.  Told Bill to be careful and slow in working the hoist, and to run like H..... if he heard or saw any problems with the wall going up.  Was a very dangerous process, but it went well.  Would not want to repeat the maneuver again.  On a site like yours, where trees are close-by, one can mount a snatch-block pulley up a tree and run a rope or cable over it to a vehicle and pull a wall up that way.  More recently out here in WA, I watched a friend pull down several large doug-fir trees using pulleys, cables, and an old bus.  Had to first have a young guy climb each tree about 2/3 up to attach the cable high enough.  It's a good method, because not only is the tree down, but the rootball is out.  Of course one has to be real careful judging cable lengths, etc., to keep safe.  A few years back out here, a friend of a friend killed himself on his own property by pulling a snagged tree down with a cable and tractor right onto himself.  Did you consider using your backhoe bucket to raise wall sections?  At my cabin-build, had a guy with a backhoe lift a pre-built outhouse from the back of my pickup and place it right over the pit in a slick process.  Saved me a lot of heavy grunt-work.

Your build is looking great. Thanks for all the nice pics.

Steve

Title: Re: 20x 30 1 1/2 story- loft area: rafter roof
Post by: sharbin on August 28, 2008, 03:03:55 PM
Thanks you guys for your input.

MountainDon: You bring a good point. I am building in a rural area that no inspection is required, other than making sure we are not building something different than what we got the licence for. But is it necessary?

WoodsWalker: by the time we got to the third wall we found a way on how to overcome the wall Jack problem; we stopped cranking the wall Jack's lever before the rope reached it's maximum length (left the wall tilted about 70 degrees angle), installed braces on both end of the wall, used a ladder to detach the wall Jack hanger from the top plate, removed the wall jack entirely so that not to crash on the wall when it is all up, then used the braces to finish up the lifting.

sharbin
Title: Re: 20x 30 1 1/2 story- loft area: rafter roof
Post by: MountainDon on August 28, 2008, 07:12:21 PM
Quote from: sharbin on August 28, 2008, 03:03:55 PM

MountainDon: You bring a good point. I am building in a rural area that no inspection is required, other than making sure we are not building something different than what we got the license for. But is it necessary?

???  Just how necessary or unnecessary that might be I really am not sure.   ???

Theory would dictate that it is not as rigid without the panel edge blocking as it would be with it. I can say that some areas around here, as well as areas around the country with high seismic potential, high winds, hurricanes, etc. the inspectors do insist on following the provisions of the IRC2003 code which state that structural sheathing edges must be nailed every 6 inches. That can't be effectively done without blocking.

So I don't really know what the real world actual situation is. I was curious to know about your local requirements.

From what I can see if you are going to be placing the bottom panels lapping down over the rim joists and nailing them securely that should impart pretty good stiffness. Horizontal sheets do add more stiffness than vertically placed sheets. You could also block and edge nail the sheets at all the corners. That would add considerable stiffness as well.

Maybe PEG will honor us with his opinion based on years of real world building experience?  Chances are very good that there is really fundamentally nothing bad about your build.
Title: Re: 20x 30 1 1/2 story- loft area: rafter roof
Post by: pioneergal on August 28, 2008, 07:21:05 PM
Congratulations on your build!

Isn't it exciting and rewarding?
Title: Re: 20x 30 1 1/2 story- loft area: rafter roof
Post by: sharbin on September 02, 2008, 10:03:39 AM
Hi guys,

So I spent 4 days and nights in the woods, alone (remember the movie Cast Away starring Tom Hanks) in which I really looked like....well a woodsman!

Trying to finish off all the walls was not an easy task, so I ended up framing 3 walls sections which completes on side wall (my wife came by to help in raising 2 wall sections and I managed to lift the 3rd one by myself with the help of Jack, wall jack that is  :)). I still have 4 sections to frame that I will be finishing off by the coming weekend.

(https://i254.photobucket.com/albums/hh99/sharbinsa/Cottage%20construction%202007%20till/IMG_0080.jpg)

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Title: Re: 20x 30 1 1/2 story- loft area: rafter roof
Post by: Redoverfarm on September 02, 2008, 10:09:29 AM
sharbin be careful doing all that by yourself will make an old man out of you. At least that is what my wife tells me.  Good progress.  Sort of slow by yourself isn't it. But peaceful though.  I usually fire myself once a day but re-hire before the next morning.  ;D
Title: Re: 20x 30 1 1/2 story- loft area: rafter roof
Post by: glenn kangiser on September 02, 2008, 10:11:38 AM
Looks good for a one man show.  Lots of progress.
Title: Re: 20x 30 1 1/2 story- loft area: rafter roof
Post by: OldDog on September 02, 2008, 10:50:07 AM
I did my walls, 36', in one piece.

Then used 8 beer powered wall jack friends! ;D

We didn't get a dancing on the sub floor but we do have one of 6 or 7 golf carts parked on it.
Title: Re: 20x 30 1 1/2 story- loft area: rafter roof
Post by: MountainDon on September 02, 2008, 12:10:51 PM
Quote from: sharbin on September 02, 2008, 10:03:39 AM

So I spent 4 days and nights in the woods, alone (remember the movie Cast Away starring Tom Hanks) in which I really looked like....well a woodsman!

At least your time in the woods didn't remind of Deliverance.    ;D

Looking good, one man show or not.
Title: Re: 20x 30 1 1/2 story- loft area: rafter roof
Post by: sharbin on September 10, 2008, 12:28:36 PM
Hello guys,

Well, the saga continues. So we had a miserable weather this weekend raining heavly almost all days. Nevertheless, I managed to frame 3 walls and raise 2. So what is left is one wall to raise and another to frame and raise and I will be done... for the walls part.

Here are the pictures.


(https://i254.photobucket.com/albums/hh99/sharbinsa/Cottage%20construction%202007%20till/IMG_0089.jpg)

(https://i254.photobucket.com/albums/hh99/sharbinsa/Cottage%20construction%202007%20till/IMG_0092.jpg)

Now the time comes for the ceiling joists on which I have couple of questions that I will raise on the plan support thread.
Title: Re: 20x 30 1 1/2 story- in Lac-Des-Plages, Quebec
Post by: sharbin on September 15, 2008, 03:31:33 PM
Finally I got all the walls up.
Here are pictures of lifting  the before last section
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Last wall is up (did not do the sheathing as I needed it to be flexible enough to squeez it between the 2 wall sections)

(https://i254.photobucket.com/albums/hh99/sharbinsa/Cottage%20construction%202007%20till/IMG_0112.jpg)

This completes all the walls. Here are pictures of all 4 walls

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ED: inserted spaces between some pictures for easier viewing - MD
Title: Re: 20x 30 1 1/2 story- in Lac-Des-Plages, Quebec
Post by: Alasdair on September 16, 2008, 01:07:01 PM
good job!
Title: Re: 20x 30 1 1/2 story- in Lac-Des-Plages, Quebec
Post by: glenn kangiser on September 17, 2008, 12:41:41 AM
Thanks for the update.  Looks good.
Title: Re: 20x 30 1 1/2 story- in Lac-Des-Plages, Quebec
Post by: considerations on September 17, 2008, 10:48:53 AM
That winch looks like the world's biggest fishing pole!

Pretty clever.  It's fun watching your progress.
Title: Re: 20x 30 1 1/2 story- in Lac-Des-Plages, Quebec
Post by: ScottA on September 17, 2008, 03:52:22 PM
Good job on the walls. I know how it feels to work alone.  d* I haven't fired myself yet though.  ::)
Title: Re: 20x 30 1 1/2 story- in Lac-Des-Plages, Quebec
Post by: Redoverfarm on September 17, 2008, 03:55:58 PM
Scott like me you will re-hire yourself the next morning if you do.  Shoot who else will you get that works that cheap.
Title: Re: 20x 30 1 1/2 story- in Lac-Des-Plages, Quebec
Post by: ScottA on September 17, 2008, 04:01:04 PM
Frank Phillips (66) fired his ranch manager over 100 times but always rehired him by the next morning. You think he worked cheap?  ???
Title: Re: 20x 30 1 1/2 story- in Lac-Des-Plages, Quebec
Post by: Redoverfarm on September 17, 2008, 04:10:02 PM
Either he was really good friends with his wife or had a great secret against the old man.  Probably had nothing to do with money huh.  ;D

Sorry sharbin we will try to behave ourselves in the future.
Title: Re: 20x 30 1 1/2 story- in Lac-Des-Plages, Quebec
Post by: sharbin on October 22, 2008, 12:23:01 PM
Hi guys,

So I finally got to finish the ceiling last week-end. Next would be the roof. I was hoping to do the roof myslef, but since winter is almost here, I have to finish it ASAP. Considering my pace of progress, I will most probably hire someone to do it  :(

Here are the pictures:

Loft Ceiling construction - with material lift used for....well... lifting

(https://i254.photobucket.com/albums/hh99/sharbinsa/Cottage%20construction%202007%20till/IMG_0003.jpg)

Loft Ceiling Done


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Loft Ceiling closer look


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Catheral ceiling part - wall edge


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Catheral ceiling part - Middle part


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Catheral ceiling part - Loft edge part


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Title: Re: 20x 30 1 1/2 story- in Lac-Des-Plages, Quebec
Post by: peteh2833 on October 22, 2008, 03:01:23 PM
Nice job. Winter is getting close.
Title: Re: 20x 30 1 1/2 story- in Lac-Des-Plages, Quebec
Post by: alcowboy on October 22, 2008, 04:38:55 PM
Can you get those black joist hangers and straps at Lowe's or Home Depot? I would like to use those when I get to the exposed floor joists etc.
Title: Re: 20x 30 1 1/2 story- in Lac-Des-Plages, Quebec
Post by: ScottA on October 22, 2008, 07:43:51 PM
Beams look nice.  :)
Title: Re: 20x 30 1 1/2 story- in Lac-Des-Plages, Quebec
Post by: Redoverfarm on October 22, 2008, 07:58:02 PM
Good job sharbin .  Wish I would have had a lift like that in mine stages.  Too late now as the muscle work is over.
Title: Re: 20x 30 1 1/2 story- in Lac-Des-Plages, Quebec
Post by: sharbin on October 23, 2008, 10:20:26 AM
Thanks guys for the feedback.

alcowboy: Here in Canada, I did not find any brackets in any of the major lumber centers. A company in Quebec fabricates these and distributes them locally. But I think that they would ship as well. Here is their web site: http://mabometal.com/home.php?lang=en
Title: Re: 20x 30 1 1/2 story- in Lac-Des-Plages, Quebec
Post by: glenn kangiser on October 24, 2008, 11:37:12 AM
I have no question that the brackets are perfect for the intended use but - if in a permit anal area, they likely will not have the required payola stamp the inspector will look for the insure that his buddies in the good ol' boy system were paid off.

I agree they are a very good item and resource if not in a code area.  Just mentioned this to save possible problems.
Title: Re: 20x 30 1 1/2 story- in Lac-Des-Plages, Quebec
Post by: sharbin on October 24, 2008, 01:31:57 PM
Thanks Glenn for the heads up. In my case there are no inspectors to deal with.
Title: Re: 20x 30 1 1/2 story- in Lac-Des-Plages, Quebec
Post by: glenn kangiser on October 24, 2008, 11:17:19 PM
That is a real plus. :)  In that case you will be able to use common sense. ::)
Title: Re: 20x 30 1 1/2 story- in Lac-Des-Plages, Quebec
Post by: sharbin on October 30, 2008, 01:50:22 PM
I asked around for someone to build my roof, and 2 different estimates put the cost at $9000. My question is, can I leave the building as is and leave it till next year? :-\ Any ideas on what choices do I have for covering it to last through the winter :-\
Title: Re: 20x 30 1 1/2 story- in Lac-Des-Plages, Quebec
Post by: peteh2833 on October 30, 2008, 06:36:43 PM
I would say some type of tarp but the it would collect so much water and snow that it would be a problem. Thats a good question. I quess you are running out of time to get it done??? Pete
Title: Re: 20x 30 1 1/2 story- in Lac-Des-Plages, Quebec
Post by: sharbin on October 30, 2008, 06:46:14 PM
yeah it seems I am  :-[ I was thinking of leaving it as is without roof, just the walls, and maybe cover the floor with tarp and leave the walls bare???!!!! :-\
Title: Re: 20x 30 1 1/2 story- in Lac-Des-Plages, Quebec
Post by: alcowboy on October 30, 2008, 07:17:39 PM
No carpenter here but what if you put a temporary ridge beam and pull a tarp taught over that and anchor the tarp to the walls?
Title: Re: 20x 30 1 1/2 story- in Lac-Des-Plages, Quebec
Post by: sharbin on October 30, 2008, 08:22:29 PM
I think Pete tried this but they had to puncture the tarp in order to remove the water and prevent damage to the ceiling... right Pete?
Title: Re: 20x 30 1 1/2 story- in Lac-Des-Plages, Quebec
Post by: MadisonsDad on October 30, 2008, 08:29:23 PM
I think it would be in your best interest to cover it somehow. A temporary ridge sounds like a good idea, then some type of tarp. Your not by chance in farm country up there? I have a haystack tarp/cover that is very well built that would work perfect. If there were farmers close by maybe you could rent one for the winter from one of them?

It needs to be better than your run of the mill big box store tarp you get for $20 or it won't last long. How about the plastic they shrink wrap big boats in for storage? Probably to expensive and not big enough.

Just throwing out ideas here.  ???

They sell a pretty good canvas tarp at farm surplus stores that might work well.  It might take a few of them to do the trick.

My advice is if you can't put the roof on spend a little bit and protect what you have...

Title: Re: 20x 30 1 1/2 story- in Lac-Des-Plages, Quebec
Post by: peteh2833 on October 30, 2008, 08:38:03 PM
The problem I had is that we built a tempory ridge beam and pulled a large tarp very tight and attached it to the side walls. Even though we pulled it tight and we thought we had all the sag out of it, the tarp still collected water in a small area. It just kept holding more and more water. At least it didn't blow off with the wind storm we had!!!!!! Pete
Title: Re: 20x 30 1 1/2 story- in Lac-Des-Plages, Quebec
Post by: sharbin on October 30, 2008, 08:41:19 PM
Thank you guys for the ideas :-[
Title: Re: 20x 30 1 1/2 story- in Lac-Des-Plages, Quebec
Post by: sharbin on September 29, 2010, 02:03:44 PM
Good day all,

It has been a while, well almost 2 years I did not post here. So here is from where left off till now.
Title: Re: 20x 30 1 1/2 story- in Lac-Des-Plages, Quebec
Post by: sharbin on September 29, 2010, 02:07:23 PM
here is the roof and dormers framed in November 2008 (was done by a framer not by me as I am not that good with hights especially that I am working alone 95% of the times  :-\) ):

(https://i254.photobucket.com/albums/hh99/sharbinsa/Cottage%20construction%202007%20till/Picture03.jpg)

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in December 2008 (roof framing is done):
(https://i254.photobucket.com/albums/hh99/sharbinsa/Cottage%20construction%202007%20till/C120708_1227_00.jpg)

Another screen shot:
(https://i254.photobucket.com/albums/hh99/sharbinsa/Cottage%20construction%202007%20till/C120708_1225_00.jpg)

And this is how it looked in the inside (it was snowing heavily during the roof framing, hence the snow inside. Also the gable sides were later finished in April-June 2009)
(https://i254.photobucket.com/albums/hh99/sharbinsa/Cottage%20construction%202007%20till/w1.jpg)
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in June 2009 (red metal roof is installed, again by a hired a professional) :

(https://i254.photobucket.com/albums/hh99/sharbinsa/Cottage%20construction%202007%20till/IMG_1000.jpg)

as well as all the missing plywood on the sides:
(https://i254.photobucket.com/albums/hh99/sharbinsa/Cottage%20construction%202007%20till/IMG_1002.jpg)

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In July/August 2009, Tyvek and 1x3 wood strapping is installed (the windows were installed in Sep):
(https://i254.photobucket.com/albums/hh99/sharbinsa/Cottage%20construction%202007%20till/IMG_2247.jpg)

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In September 2009, trying to figure out how to install the windows:

(https://i254.photobucket.com/albums/hh99/sharbinsa/Cottage%20construction%202007%20till/IMG_2172.jpg)

.... installing them (this and another window are 5 feet wide and 6 feet high):

(https://i254.photobucket.com/albums/hh99/sharbinsa/Cottage%20construction%202007%20till/IMG_2176.jpg)

....and all the other windows (16 of them) in addition to 1 front door and 1 side door:

(https://i254.photobucket.com/albums/hh99/sharbinsa/Cottage%20construction%202007%20till/IMG_2192.jpg)

(https://i254.photobucket.com/albums/hh99/sharbinsa/Cottage%20construction%202007%20till/IMG_2436.jpg)

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Front of the cottage as of November 2009:
(https://i254.photobucket.com/albums/hh99/sharbinsa/Cottage%20construction%202007%20till/IMG_2402.jpg)

Back:
(https://i254.photobucket.com/albums/hh99/sharbinsa/Cottage%20construction%202007%20till/IMG_2246.jpg)

east side:
(https://i254.photobucket.com/albums/hh99/sharbinsa/Cottage%20construction%202007%20till/IMG_2444.jpg)

west side:
(https://i254.photobucket.com/albums/hh99/sharbinsa/Cottage%20construction%202007%20till/IMG_2399.jpg)

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Started with the loft flooring in Sep 2009 and later finished it on June 2010 ::)
(https://i254.photobucket.com/albums/hh99/sharbinsa/sandbox/IMG_2230_toupload.jpg)

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Started with the siding on August 2010. This is where I am about as it stands now in Sepetember 2010:

Front:
(https://i254.photobucket.com/albums/hh99/sharbinsa/sandbox/IMG_Front.jpg)

Back:
(https://i254.photobucket.com/albums/hh99/sharbinsa/sandbox/IMG_Back.jpg)

East side:
(https://i254.photobucket.com/albums/hh99/sharbinsa/sandbox/IMG_East_side.jpg)

a back/west side closer view:

(https://i254.photobucket.com/albums/hh99/sharbinsa/sandbox/IMG_West_1.jpg)
Title: Re: 20x 30 1 1/2 story- in Lac-Des-Plages, Quebec
Post by: nathan.principe on September 29, 2010, 03:05:45 PM
WOW! Im in love with your place  [cool]  Your execution is dead on, keep up the good work!
Title: Re: 20x 30 1 1/2 story- in Lac-Des-Plages, Quebec
Post by: sharbin on September 29, 2010, 03:40:41 PM
Thanks Nathan.
Title: Re: 20x 30 1 1/2 story- in Lac-Des-Plages, Quebec
Post by: Redoverfarm on September 29, 2010, 04:32:21 PM
Quote from: sharbin on September 29, 2010, 02:03:44 PM
Good day all,

It has been a while, well almost 2 years I did not post here. So here is from where left off till now.

It is really coming together.  Nice job.  Keep us posted so when can see the finished results.
Title: Re: 20x 30 1 1/2 story- in Lac-Des-Plages, Quebec
Post by: John Raabe on September 29, 2010, 05:17:47 PM
Nice looking sturdy project. Good work!

Are you doing a porch?
Title: Re: 20x 30 1 1/2 story- in Lac-Des-Plages, Quebec
Post by: sharbin on September 30, 2010, 08:36:32 AM
Thanks guys.
Yes John I will be building a porch, however I think it would be either next year or the year after it as I am looking forward to start finishing the inside to make it liveable  ::)
Title: Re: 20x 30 1 1/2 story- in Lac-Des-Plages, Quebec
Post by: MaineRhino on September 30, 2010, 06:00:40 PM
Very nice work sharbin!   Nice to see an update! ;D
Title: Re: 20x 30 1 1/2 story- in Lac-Des-Plages, Quebec
Post by: peteh2833 on October 07, 2010, 09:03:28 AM
Nice Job !!!!! Looks great!!!! What kind of siding is that??? Pete
Title: Re: 20x 30 1 1/2 story- in Lac-Des-Plages, Quebec
Post by: mogie01 on October 07, 2010, 09:15:25 AM
All the hard work is paying off.  Love your place!  I really like your front door, I'm looking for one just like it without much success.

Mo
Title: Re: 20x 30 1 1/2 story- in Lac-Des-Plages, Quebec
Post by: sharbin on October 12, 2010, 11:24:47 AM
Thanks Pete. This is a rough 1x8 cove style pre-stained white pine.
Title: Re: 20x 30 1 1/2 story- in Lac-Des-Plages, Quebec
Post by: sharbin on October 12, 2010, 11:33:15 AM
Thanks Mo. That was a special order from a Canadian manufacturer. Here is their web site:
http://www.lemieuxdoors.com/en/

Quote from: mogie01 on October 07, 2010, 09:15:25 AM
All the hard work is paying off.  Love your place!  I really like your front door, I'm looking for one just like it without much success.

Mo
Title: Re: 20x 30 1 1/2 story- in Lac-Des-Plages, Quebec
Post by: sharbin on July 14, 2011, 03:23:36 PM
Hello again.

Well after taking a long time thinking about the logistics of how to get to finish the dormers and the high parts of the cottage, I thought that's it. Time to do something.

I decided on using scaffolding. So I bought 2 sections 5x5 and 2 sections 5x3 (5 feet wide) plus 4 adjustable feet of 3 feet high, for a total of 18 feet high structure setup 10 feet apart. This way I will be working on 10 feet section at a time.

I started with one of the dormers. I built a catwalk type of form laid on the top plank to access the sides of the dormers. By the way I used climbing ropes, harness, ascender, and belay/relay devices just to make sure that I am safe up there.

Once I got used to working at that high with all the ropes (it took me 2 weeks to be that comfortable) the work went smooth. So now I am done with one of the dormers and tomorrow I will be starting with the rest. I am hopeful that each dormer (I have 4) will take me one day to finish (don't forget that I have to disassemble and reassemble the scaffolding. Did I mention that I am doing this alone  d*). I will take pictures and post it when I come back.

Wish me luck.

Cheers.
Title: Re: 20x 30 1 1/2 story- in Lac-Des-Plages, Quebec
Post by: Redoverfarm on July 14, 2011, 04:56:13 PM
 sharbin sometimes it just takes time to get acclaimated to your new surroundings. ;).  But like you said once you are then it will go easier.  When I was younger I thought nothing to shimmy up anything irregardless of the heigth.  Whether it is age, nerve or what I am not as comfortable as I once was.  Just takes longer to be safe I guess.  I think that the dormers set off the house.  Good luck, stay safe.
Title: Re: 20x 30 1 1/2 story- in Lac-Des-Plages, Quebec
Post by: sharbin on July 19, 2011, 09:48:34 AM
well, the weekend was a bit productive. I had couple of things to finalize on the dormer, then worked on the front fascia and soffit.

So here are the photos:

working on the side of the dormer (scaffolding and a tiny platform to access the sides):
(https://i254.photobucket.com/albums/hh99/sharbinsa/Cottage%20construction%202007%20till/IMG_0250.jpg)

Dormer sides are done:
(https://i254.photobucket.com/albums/hh99/sharbinsa/Cottage%20construction%202007%20till/IMG_0273.jpg)

Dormer front, fascia and soffit are done:
(https://i254.photobucket.com/albums/hh99/sharbinsa/Cottage%20construction%202007%20till/IMG_0329.jpg)

The finished product together with one section of the lake front:
(https://i254.photobucket.com/albums/hh99/sharbinsa/Cottage%20construction%202007%20till/IMG_0339.jpg)

A closeup of the soffit vents details on both the lake front and the dormer:
(https://i254.photobucket.com/albums/hh99/sharbinsa/Cottage%20construction%202007%20till/IMG_0348.jpg)

cornice detail:
(https://i254.photobucket.com/albums/hh99/sharbinsa/Cottage%20construction%202007%20till/IMG_0317.jpg)

The coming weekend should see the second gable and the rest of the side finished.
Title: Re: 20x 30 1 1/2 story- in Lac-Des-Plages, Quebec
Post by: duncanshannon on July 30, 2011, 10:40:05 PM
Awesome looking place. I really like the brown and red colors.
Title: Re: 20x 30 1 1/2 story- in Lac-Des-Plages, Quebec
Post by: sharbin on August 02, 2011, 11:02:15 AM
Thanks duncanshannon. We weren't sure about how it would look like, but your comment is assuring that it was a nice combination afterall ::)

I worked this weekend and managed to "almost" finish the second dormer. However, I got over excited and rushed things to finish before the night fall. The result was that I missed couple of steps (nailing board for the soffit, and then forgetting to put insect screens for the vents d*). So next weekend I will need to remove the soffit and re-do it again before claiming the dormer as a finished product  ::).

So lesson learned; Do not rush things. ;D
Title: Re: 20x 30 1 1/2 story- in Lac-Des-Plages, Quebec
Post by: Sassy on August 02, 2011, 12:38:34 PM
Very beautiful!  I like the combination of colors, also.  Everything goes together so well.   :)
Title: Re: 20x 30 1 1/2 story- in Lac-Des-Plages, Quebec
Post by: sharbin on August 08, 2011, 10:05:09 AM
So this last weekend I went back up to the cottage, ripped the troublesome soffit off, and then reinstalled it.... took around 1 hour to accomplish, which is one third of the time that I wasted looking for shortcuts  d*
Alas, the dormers on the lake front are done which completed the whole lake front. Here is a picture of the finished product:

(https://i254.photobucket.com/albums/hh99/sharbinsa/Cottage%20construction%202007%20till/IMG_0394_toupload.jpg)

So I dismantled the scaffolding and moved it to the front side. However, there were 2 trees that needed to be removed in order to properly install the scaffolding. One tree is fairly small so that was not an issue. However, the second tree is a pine that is maybe 60 feet high. So started cutting a notch on the side that I wanted it to fall to, then started cutting on the opposite side. Once I cut half way the tree started to fall.... in the opposite direction  :-\ So it hit the front of the metal roof and I was lucky that it did not hit the dormers and only cause couple of dents on the edge of the metal roof. But boy oh boy was that scary! :-[

here is a picture of where the tree was:
(https://i254.photobucket.com/albums/hh99/sharbinsa/Cottage%20construction%202007%20till/IMG_0389_upload_treecut.jpg)

So next week, hopefully, will be finishing the front dormers, however I guess this is an over optimism :-\
Title: Re: 20x 30 1 1/2 story- in Lac-Des-Plages, Quebec
Post by: Sassy on August 08, 2011, 04:19:33 PM
Those must have been a scary few minutes, glad it didn't do too much damage!  The cabin is beautiful!
Title: Re: 20x 30 1 1/2 story- in Lac-Des-Plages, Quebec
Post by: Redoverfarm on August 08, 2011, 06:39:24 PM
Sometime things just don't go as planned when it comes to trees.  I like to hook a rope/cable and come-a-long and put tension in the direction that I want it to go.  Sort of takes out some of the guess work. ;D
Title: Re: 20x 30 1 1/2 story- in Lac-Des-Plages, Quebec
Post by: Barry Broome on August 08, 2011, 07:10:39 PM
Very nice!!
Title: Re: 20x 30 1 1/2 story- in Lac-Des-Plages, Quebec
Post by: Alasdair on August 09, 2011, 06:23:10 AM
Thanks for the pictures of the dormers sharbin they will be very helpful for me! Great job.
Title: Re: 20x 30 1 1/2 story- in Lac-Des-Plages, Quebec
Post by: duncanshannon on August 09, 2011, 06:51:24 AM
I'm torn on building dormers.  I feel like I need to be very strict about keeping it simple to keep cost and time down.  I'm learning, thru work on my existing house, that its new 'new' or 'changes' that really add time and cost.  Example being just replacing existing windows or adding in all new windows (which require more demo, framing, more repair etc).  Holy cow... much faster and cheaper to just replace (and not add new).

The dormers seem tempting in a similar way... add lots of great space and views (esp. in a 1 1/2 story) but... do you find the time and complexity to be 'worth it' now that you have built them?

Title: Re: 20x 30 1 1/2 story- in Lac-Des-Plages, Quebec
Post by: sharbin on August 09, 2011, 10:01:22 AM
Thanks guys for the comments.

Well I thought of tying a rope, but did not have it handy. And as usual  d*, I was impatient and did not want to wait for another day so I took the risk. I still have couple of trees that are close to the cottage to cut, but I think I will hire a professional to do it. This time it did not cause serious damage, so I won't take this risk again :-\

As for building the dormers, as well as framing the roof and installing the metal for that matter, I hired professionals to do it. It cost me an additional $500 CAD per dormer to frame and another $500 to put metal roof on. However, finishing it, which I did it by myself, does not take that much material (cost me $125 CAD per dormer that includes the siding, soffit, fascia, and trims around the window and corners all stained), but takes lots of cuts and lots of details to pay attention to, and as such time consuming. So to answer the question, if I have knowledgeable helping hands I would definitely do it again, as the cost and time would decrease a lot, otherwise, the emotional part of me would still say yes, however the "pocket" and "logic" would say a big no.
Title: Re: 20x 30 1 1/2 story- in Lac-Des-Plages, Quebec
Post by: sharbin on August 14, 2011, 08:21:09 PM
So this weekend I managed to "almost" finish the 3rd dormer. I say almost since I still have couple of cuts, a 15 minutes work. I worked till 11:00 p.m. when my headlamps died on me  d*. So I had to call it off for the day (well night in this case ::)) and the weekend.

So comparing to the first dormer that took me 3 weekends to complete, I congratulated myself for this accomplishment  ;D

Here are 2 pictures, the first one shows the dormer with the chicken ladder I did to access the sides (contrast that to just a platform as previously done), and the second one shows pretty much what was done to the dormer.


(https://i254.photobucket.com/albums/hh99/sharbinsa/Cottage%20construction%202007%20till/IMG_0423_small.jpg)

(https://i254.photobucket.com/albums/hh99/sharbinsa/Cottage%20construction%202007%20till/IMG_0419_small.jpg)
Title: Re: 20x 30 1 1/2 story- in Lac-Des-Plages, Quebec
Post by: sharbin on October 04, 2011, 03:48:51 PM
Hello all,

It took almost 2 month to get additional siding and trim to finish the 4th and last dormer as well as the rest of the sides.
So by now I still have one gable side and one dormer to go :)

Here is the progress:

Sept 2011- Front side done (well except one dormer which I will do next weekend)

(https://i254.photobucket.com/albums/hh99/sharbinsa/Cottage%20construction%202007%20till/IMG_0460_sml.jpg)

Sept/Oct 2011- North Side
(https://i254.photobucket.com/albums/hh99/sharbinsa/Cottage%20construction%202007%20till/IMG_0461_sml.jpg)
(https://i254.photobucket.com/albums/hh99/sharbinsa/Cottage%20construction%202007%20till/IMG_0486_sml.jpg)
North Side DONE
(https://i254.photobucket.com/albums/hh99/sharbinsa/Cottage%20construction%202007%20till/IMG_0502_sml.jpg)


Also I worked on managing some water coming in the crawlspace on 2 sides. I made a 12 inches wide trench and dug till got to the underneath rock (about 16 inches) and then laid a bed of washed rock till it got a bit higher than the other side, and then installed the perforated pipe. When I got to the other side, I realized that I only have around 10 inches and laying a pipe for such a small area does not add any benefit. So ditched the perforated pipe idea and simply filled the 12 inches wide trench with washed rock and put the sump pit (which is really a 5 gallons bucket with punched holes in it) in the corner which is the lowest point. I will see how this will work. And by the way, I was considering boring a hole in the footing, but then realized that this is a project by itself and is not that easy, so went with the easier solution. May be next year I will do that  :-\

here are the photos:
(this picture was taken before covering the pipe with washed rock)
(https://i254.photobucket.com/albums/hh99/sharbinsa/Cottage%20construction%202007%20till/IMG_0485_sml.jpg)

And this is the side that I did not use the pipe in it.
(https://i254.photobucket.com/albums/hh99/sharbinsa/Cottage%20construction%202007%20till/IMG_0520_sml.jpg)

Title: Re: 20x 30 1 1/2 story- in Lac-Des-Plages, Quebec
Post by: sharbin on October 12, 2011, 11:32:32 AM
So this past long week-end, it took me 3 days d* to finally finish the front and the last of the dormers. This thing really takes lots and lots of time to finish the tiny details. Here is how the front now looks like.

(https://i254.photobucket.com/albums/hh99/sharbinsa/IMG_0597_sml.jpg)

I also started with what's left from the last of the sides (half of the gable wall is done). I was hoping that it would not take more than a day or 2 to finish, but alas, it took me 3 hours  :-\ to just fit a 2 foot fascia piece between the top and bottom parts (had to do the fascia in 4 parts because of short available boards and lots of cutting errors  d*). So now what is left from the side is to install the rest of the soffit, trims around 2 gable windows, and about 10 rows of siding.

To be continued and hopefully finished by end of next week end, weather permits.
Title: Re: 20x 30 1 1/2 story- in Lac-Des-Plages, Quebec
Post by: Danfish on October 12, 2011, 12:23:33 PM
Excellent craftsmanship...wishing I was at that stage right now...winter bearing down and still have siding stacked in garage!!!
Title: Re: 20x 30 1 1/2 story- in Lac-Des-Plages, Quebec
Post by: sharbin on October 13, 2011, 09:53:49 AM
Thanks Danfish. Well, it took me almost 4 years to get to this stage  :). Good luck.
Title: Re: 20x 30 1 1/2 story- in Lac-Des-Plages, Quebec
Post by: sharbin on October 17, 2011, 09:59:27 AM
Well this week-end was very rainy, so I only went up on Sunday. Started finishing up the last of the gables when suddenly I felt something in my eye as I was looking up  ??? (it seems wood fiber that was hanging on my hair got into my eye), and I couldn't open it. Because of an almost 1 3/4 hours drive back, I decided to tough it and continue working. This is what I did (hitting the hammer once on the nail and another time on the wood  d*). I worked couple of hours and headed back home. Well, I had to go to the emergency as my eye was really getting painful, swollen, and red. Alas, I spent almost 5 hours  :-\ there till 4:30 in the morning when the emergency doctor came and could not find anything. So gave me antibiotic and sent me home.

So to be continued next week-end.
Title: Re: 20x 30 1 1/2 story- in Lac-Des-Plages, Quebec
Post by: sharbin on October 27, 2011, 02:05:14 PM
Finally, I was able to finish the last of the sides. Sometimes you spend hours on tiny details... and this is what happened to me. It took me from 11 a.m. to 3 p.m. just to fit one piece of siding below and beside the gable windows  d*. The rest took me till 10 p.m. under -1 celcius skies ;D... but alas I was able to finish the siding/soffit, calulk around the windows/door and corner trims, dismantle the scaffolding, and load the wooden planks for return (only the planks were rental as I could not find any descently priced ones to buy. It cost  $240 to rent 6 planks for 4 months.)

before
(https://i254.photobucket.com/albums/hh99/sharbinsa/IMG_0603_sml.jpg)

after
(https://i254.photobucket.com/albums/hh99/sharbinsa/IMG_0609_sl.jpg)


What's left to do before calling it off for this year is to lay 6 mil vapour barrier in the crawlspace as well as building/insulating an access door for it.
Title: Re: 20x 30 1 1/2 story- in Lac-Des-Plages, Quebec
Post by: Redoverfarm on October 27, 2011, 06:14:23 PM
There has to be a feeling of relief. Nice job.
Title: Re: 20x 30 1 1/2 story- in Lac-Des-Plages, Quebec
Post by: Sassy on October 28, 2011, 10:54:56 AM
Beautiful cabin/home - you should have many years of enjoyment - just looking at it would bring a feeling of satisfaction  :)
Title: Re: 20x 30 1 1/2 story- in Lac-Des-Plages, Quebec
Post by: sharbin on October 29, 2011, 07:14:58 PM
Thank you guys for the compliments. It sure is a relief (both physical and monetary  ::) ) to finish specially before the cold kicks in, which it did this weekend where we had -6 Celsius over night.
Title: Re: 20x 30 1 1/2 story- in Lac-Des-Plages, Quebec
Post by: sharbin on December 02, 2011, 03:42:54 PM
So the 6 mil was laid down in the crawlspace (and covering the whole hight of the wall) and the access door was built. That was 2 weeks ago.

Last weekend I went up there and started to install the sump pump by boring into the rim joist using 1 3/8 inches boring bit to later realize that the 1 1/4 inches pipe needed almost a 1 3/4 inches hole, which I did not have the bit for it. This coming weekend they are announcing sunny skies but with -11 Celsius  :-\ so not sure if it is doable or may be it is too late for this year to install the pump. we'll see.
Title: Re: 20x 30 1 1/2 story- in Lac-Des-Plages, Quebec
Post by: Redoverfarm on December 02, 2011, 05:26:43 PM
Quote from: sharbin on December 02, 2011, 03:42:54 PM
So the 6 mil was laid down in the crawlspace (and covering the whole hight of the wall) and the access door was built. That was 2 weeks ago.

Last weekend I went up there and started to install the sump pump by boring into the rim joist using 1 3/8 inches boring bit to later realize that the 1 1/4 inches pipe needed almost a 1 3/4 inches hole, which I did not have the bit for it. This coming weekend they are announcing sunny skies but with -11 Celsius  :-\ so not sure if it is doable or may be it is too late for this year to install the pump. we'll see.

Yes probably the IS diameter of the pipe.  If it is just 2X (1-1/2") you can probably use a saber saw or sawzall to widen it to except the pipe. If you do find the right size bit just temporarily attach a small piece of ply (wood screw) and you can re-drill to widen the hole by using it to guide your pilot bit.  Otherwise there is no way to get it lined up.  In your case attach it to the outside, go inside and partially drill through the same hole with the original bit.  That will give you the pilot hole dead center.  Then go to the ouside and drill with the larger bit using the pilot hole you just made.
Title: Re: 20x 30 1 1/2 story- in Lac-Des-Plages, Quebec
Post by: rick91351 on December 02, 2011, 09:27:07 PM
Quote from: Redoverfarm on December 02, 2011, 05:26:43 PM
Yes probably the IS diameter of the pipe.  If it is just 2X (1-1/2") you can probably use a saber saw or sawzall to widen it to except the pipe. If you do find the right size bit just temporarily attach a small piece of ply (wood screw) and you can re-drill to widen the hole by using it to guide your pilot bit.  Otherwise there is no way to get it lined up.  In your case attach it to the outside, go inside and partially drill through the same hole with the original bit.  That will give you the pilot hole dead center.  Then go to the ouside and drill with the larger bit using the pilot hole you just made.

[waiting] I need to put that one in my memory book.  I have fought that a couple times and never really thought it out.  So simple yet   [frus]  Thanks, gad that is so simple yet.....
Title: Re: 20x 30 1 1/2 story- in Lac-Des-Plages, Quebec
Post by: sharbin on December 03, 2011, 05:07:23 PM
Quote from: Redoverfarm on December 02, 2011, 05:26:43 PM
Yes probably the IS diameter of the pipe.  If it is just 2X (1-1/2") you can probably use a saber saw or sawzall to widen it to except the pipe. If you do find the right size bit just temporarily attach a small piece of ply (wood screw) and you can re-drill to widen the hole by using it to guide your pilot bit.  Otherwise there is no way to get it lined up.  In your case attach it to the outside, go inside and partially drill through the same hole with the original bit.  That will give you the pilot hole dead center.  Then go to the ouside and drill with the larger bit using the pilot hole you just made.

Since I filled the hole with foam, I think it should work fine  ::). However, if it does not work,  it is good to know that I have another alternative.  Never thought of the ply trick  d*. thanks.
Title: Re: 20x 30 1 1/2 story- in Lac-Des-Plages, Quebec
Post by: CjAl on December 04, 2011, 08:46:53 AM
i like that siding. is that ship lap or something else?
Title: Re: 20x 30 1 1/2 story- in Lac-Des-Plages, Quebec
Post by: sharbin on December 05, 2011, 10:48:42 AM
Quote from: CjAl on December 04, 2011, 08:46:53 AM
i like that siding. is that ship lap or something else?

No, this is a cove style siding. It also goes by different names such as Dutch lap and German lap.
Title: Re: 20x 30 1 1/2 story- in Lac-Des-Plages, Quebec
Post by: sharbin on August 14, 2012, 02:19:10 PM
Continuing from where I left off last December, I am now into the room division, electrical, plumbing, insulation, and heating part of the project.

We were contemplating for the past 3 years  d* on how to divide the 10x20 interior part under the loft. Finally, I had the epiphany  c* and determination to get done with it. So opted to have 2 bedrooms and a bathroom. One bedroom has 10 feet by 10, bathroom 10 feet by 48" (framed the shower/"4 foot" tub part 52" by 36") and the other Bedroom 66" by 10 feet.

I did the electrical rough-in including wiring and of course the electrical panel. I did the installation for a 100 AMP service just in case one day electricity would be available for us (the closest hydro pole is 4 KM away). For now I am using a generator (Honda 2000i) connected to the system. Next year I will do the inverter, Batteries, etc.

I almost finished the plumbing but waiting for the septic tank to be installed before knowing the high at which the main sewage line will enter the crawl space foundation wall. By the way I opted for a sealed septic tank versus Eco-flo as the installation of a drain field was not feasible due to the combination of high water table, rocky shallow bottom, and close proximity to the lake.

For heating, I am planning on installing the Napoleon 1100C wood stove. However, I want to put it near the rear wall which leaves me with 2 options for the flue: either go straight through the roof and have the flue almost 8 feet high above it, OR go with the ceiling curvature, i.e. going up 10 feet, offsetting  41 degrees (which is the roof slope of 10.5/12) then going 10 feet along the cathedral ceiling and then offsetting again couple of inches to avoid a rafter, then exit the roof 2 feet before the ridge. The 3rd option that we are not considering is going through the wall and then up from the outside due to the extensive work of encasing the outside fleu to protect it from cold and the poor drafting that can result from such installation. thoughts  ??? ?

Insulation; have not started yet but bought all the necessary batts. So Roxul everywhere; 28R ceiling, 22R walls and dormers roof, and R14 dormer side walls. This is the maximum I can get with the 2x10 rafters and 2x6 walls and dormer roof, and 2x4 dormer wall.

On that note, the way the dormers were framed, sheathed, and metal roofed put me into a dilemma; there are soffit vents, but no ridge vent  :-\. The top of the dormers where they meet the roof line is around 4 feet from the ridge. One possible way is to insulate the rafter bays without baffles, i.e. obstruct the vents. Short of installing a ridge vent which is tricky and expensive (the cottage is in almost no where), and foam spray them (also expensive due to the same reaon) what are my options? is sealing them with just insulation batts suffice since the 4 dormer are a very small part of the ceiling space (dormer width is 4 feet and the roof slope is 10/12) ??? ?




Title: Re: 20x 30 1 1/2 story- in Lac-Des-Plages, Quebec
Post by: Redoverfarm on August 14, 2012, 05:15:17 PM
Good to hear from you again. Thought the roof and dormers did you in.  ;)
Title: Re: 20x 30 1 1/2 story- in Lac-Des-Plages, Quebec
Post by: sharbin on August 21, 2012, 10:14:07 AM
Well, after paying $400 to redraw the plans for the sealed septic tank, I got a call from the municipality informing me that, apart from compost toilette and dry well, only eco-flo is permitted.  This is after they told me that such installation would be approved >:(

Title: Re: 20x 30 1 1/2 story- in Lac-Des-Plages, Quebec
Post by: sharbin on August 27, 2012, 11:04:27 AM
So I hired this past weekend a tree faller to cut around 17 trees; 5 of them too close to the house and the rest are in preparation for installing the septic tank and eco-flo combo. It cost me $1000 CAD, no tax.
It was a delight seeing this guy, who is in his late 60s, and his son professionally falling these trees with accuracy. [cool]

The old guy would look at the tree to see its orientation, and in couple of minutes it was on the ground.
The young guy would spin a string with a weight in the middle and throw it on top of the tree and then using this string he pulled the rope around it in preparation for controlled falling. One pine tree that had lots of branches had to be trimmed before falling it. So he put on his climbing suit and got his small chain saw and off he went up high.

After the trees were on the gound, they went at it and cut them in 12 inches sections. That was a $200 worth of work included in the price. It took them roughly 3.5 hours after which the area looked like a disaster zone  :)
Title: Re: 20x 30 1 1/2 story- in Lac-Des-Plages, Quebec
Post by: rick91351 on August 27, 2012, 11:28:37 AM
Watching a real faller is artistry in motion.  The ones I have fell go to a sawmill mostly also by an old faller that is like that as well and he also owns the mill.  Then some I myself cut into stove length not artistry in motion.   ;)   Mostly blood,sweat and tears in motion.  :o

I think you got off very easy.  $1000 CAD that would be very, very reasonable.  Keep us informed what is goin' on....

 
Title: Re: 20x 30 1 1/2 story- in Lac-Des-Plages, Quebec
Post by: ColchesterCabin on August 27, 2012, 08:19:16 PM
You mention the siding you used is dutch or german lap siding. I am in atlantic Canada and I love the look of your build. I was wondering who the manufactor was to see if i could find a local supplier....
Title: Re: 20x 30 1 1/2 story- in Lac-Des-Plages, Quebec
Post by: sharbin on August 28, 2012, 10:34:08 AM
Quote from: ColchesterCabin on August 27, 2012, 08:19:16 PM
You mention the siding you used is dutch or german lap siding. I am in atlantic Canada and I love the look of your build. I was wondering who the manufactor was to see if i could find a local supplier....

The company Maxi Foret is located in Saint-Jerome, Quebec. here is their web site: http://www.maxiforet.com/
Title: Re: 20x 30 1 1/2 story- in Lac-Des-Plages, Quebec
Post by: sharbin on September 21, 2012, 02:30:04 PM
So last weekend I finally had my septic system installed.

As I mentioned earlier, I had to install an eco-flo biofilter system. So they installed a cement septic tank of 3400 m3 (is 4' 4" high) and an open bottom eco-flo peat moss based biofilter housing made of fibre glass. They dug around 4 feet, laid a 1 foot layer of 3/4" crushed stone, then the Eco-flo housing and both the septic tank and the eco-flo were burried for a total high of around 7' 6". It took them around 6 hours to get the whole thing done.

I was worried that they would hit the rock plate, but were lucky that around 10 feet from the house the level of the rock plate was lower and hence could fit in the whole thing. By the way the whole area covered for the eco-flo (without the septic tank) is 17x14 feet.

The total cost for this installation was for a modest sum of $9500 tax included  :)

Here are couple of pictures of the installation:
(https://i254.photobucket.com/albums/hh99/sharbinsa/Cottage%20construction%202007%20till/IMG_1795.jpg)

(https://i254.photobucket.com/albums/hh99/sharbinsa/Cottage%20construction%202007%20till/IMG_1871.jpg)

(https://i254.photobucket.com/albums/hh99/sharbinsa/Cottage%20construction%202007%20till/IMG_1869.jpg)

(https://i254.photobucket.com/albums/hh99/sharbinsa/Cottage%20construction%202007%20till/IMG_1878.jpg)


In that same weekend, I had planned to install the chimney parts above the roof for the woodstove that I have not yet decided on ::)
I thought to myself since I was able to install the stack vent high up on the roof the previous week I might as well do the same for the chimney. So put the scaffolding up and took my time to stabilize it and all of that. But once I started to climb onto the roof my chicken spirit came out  :-[  So abandoned the whole thing and took down the scaffolding. I am having the guy who installed my metal roof come over to install it for another modest some of $400 CAD :(
Title: Re: 20x 30 1 1/2 story- in Lac-Des-Plages, Quebec
Post by: sharbin on September 25, 2012, 08:59:34 AM
So this past weekend we got the chimney cathedral ceiling support box and the rubber boot flashing installed. It took almost 3.5 hours to finish it up.
I would not recommend these Selkirk products for anyone that has a metal roof with a slope of 10/12 or higher and with rafters 2x8 and larger. These are just too short.
We had to have the lower edge of the insulation shield ABOVE the roof line by more that 10 inches otherwise there would not be enough space on the upper end for the rubber boot to cover. Even the cap that goes above the rubber boot did not have enough length to cover the lower end of the boot even after cutting the upper end to the contour of the roof. So now the shield is visible under the cap and above the boot of the lower end. Also the cathedral ceiling support box is too short on the upper end that it is maybe 7 inches below the roof! I will later attach pictures to show the final product.

Only time will tell if this compromise of the installation will hold >:(
here are couple of pictures:
(https://i254.photobucket.com/albums/hh99/sharbinsa/Cottage%20construction%202007%20till/IMG_1921.jpg)

(https://i254.photobucket.com/albums/hh99/sharbinsa/Cottage%20construction%202007%20till/IMG_19101.jpg)

(https://i254.photobucket.com/albums/hh99/sharbinsa/Cottage%20construction%202007%20till/IMG_19121.jpg)
Title: Re: 20x 30 1 1/2 story- in Lac-Des-Plages, Quebec
Post by: sharbin on September 28, 2012, 01:24:12 PM
So after installing the chimney, we now bought the wood stove ;D It is a Napoleon 1400PL all black with ornamental legs and clear door (no arches). We liked the 1400C, but is more expensive, and for a cottage that will be used every now and then, it did not make sense to spend too much on the looks. The 1400PL and 1400C has the same fire box and characteristics. The only difference is that the 1400C has nice cast iron trims (i.e. sides and top) AND $500 extra  :o So the total price we paid was CAD $1259 plus taxes of 15%.

Title: Re: 20x 30 1 1/2 story- in Lac-Des-Plages, Quebec
Post by: sharbin on October 09, 2012, 02:00:31 PM
 Happy Thanksgiving day to me fellow Canadians.

I installed the wood stove this past long weekend with the help of my brother-in-law. We used a hand truck to get it down from the trailer, then tried to move it up over 5 steps on the stairs which did not work. We then tried to carry it after removing the bricks from it, and to our surprise it was not that heavy to carry. The weight of the stove is 275 lbs and the bricks 125 lbs. We used a 4x4 cement board underneath the stove. I will eventually put either bricks or stones on it as well as on the walls around the stove.

It took us couple of hours to install because of the positioning of the stove vis a vis the chimney location; Chimney is very close to the ridge while the stove is near the wall. As such we had to go up 6.5 feet above the stove (using 1x 36" and 1x36-68 telescopic double pipe), 45 degrees elbow pointing to the ridge, then 7 feet (1x36" and 1x36-69 telescopic), then 45 degrees elbow to join the Chimney/Pipe adaptor. Because of the telescopic pipe it was a dilemma on how to go about installing them. Also, the instructions were not that clear on whether the screws that are used to fasten the pieces together should penetrate the pipes or just put pressure on them. We eventually pierced the pipes and fastened them with the supplied screws because the telescopic pieces kept sliding and the connectors detaching. Alas, all was installed and we fired off the stove and no smoke came through the connections and there was a very good draft in the stove which did not take time to get a roaring fire going.

I also started the installation of Roxul insulation on the Cathedral ceiling. It was tricky carving the Roxul to match the slope at the ridge and the collar ties that are just below the ridge board.

Here is the stove:
(https://i254.photobucket.com/albums/hh99/sharbinsa/Cottage%20construction%202007%20till/IMG_19721.jpg)

(https://i254.photobucket.com/albums/hh99/sharbinsa/Cottage%20construction%202007%20till/IMG_1981.jpg)
Title: Re: 20x 30 1 1/2 story- in Lac-Des-Plages, Quebec
Post by: MountainDon on October 09, 2012, 05:19:16 PM
Congrats on getting to the point where you can be warm inside!   I like that telescoping pipe; it does work well and yes, the screws must penetrate the pipe as you found out.  W

We celebrated Canadian Thanksgiving too; any excuse for a turkey!  :)   And being a transplanted Canuk it's not all that strange even though I'm in NM.
Title: Re: 20x 30 1 1/2 story- in Lac-Des-Plages, Quebec
Post by: sharbin on October 10, 2012, 10:21:49 AM
Thanks MountainDon.

I should then extend my best wishes to all of you neighbours   ;D
Title: Re: 20x 30 1 1/2 story- in Lac-Des-Plages, Quebec
Post by: sharbin on November 20, 2012, 12:32:02 PM
Sharbin is reporting for duty  :)

So still doing the insulation using Roxul; R22 for walls and R28 for cathedral ceiling. So far I have installed the insulation in all the cathedral cavities except 4 or 5 bays that have very odd sizes. So figured that after I am done with all the regular sized ones, I would use whatever left, whether full batts or slices, to finish up these.

As for the walls, I still have half of it to finish.

Because of the amount of insulation to put, I would start with the ceiling then go back to the walls then back to the SafeNsound batts for between rooms then back to the ceiling. So basically I was all over the place. Then thought I should be sticking to one specific task at a time, and so I did: So as stated before, I finished (almost) the cieling, then finished one room(exterior walls and interior ones), and now continuing to insulate the rest of the walls.

(https://i254.photobucket.com/albums/hh99/sharbinsa/Cottage%20construction%202007%20till/IMG_20334.jpg)

I also took half a day and installed the toilet! I was torn between finishing the whole bathroom before installing the toilette, but figured that would be overwhelming and put me back in the "all over the place" category ;D So I just doubled the floor and put another 3/4 exterior grad plywood over the 3/4 existing one, then drilled the flange hole, connected it to the main drain, then installed the toilet. On that note, I used the no-wax Franco. With that I can simply remove the toilet when the time comes to finish the bathroom and then put it back when all is done, no mess no nothing  ::). The plan for the toilet is to have a 52" by 40" natural stone built up shower stall, for the floor as well as the walls, ceramic tile for the rest of the washroom floor, and half wood half drywall for the rest of the walls.

(https://i254.photobucket.com/albums/hh99/sharbinsa/Cottage%20construction%202007%20till/IMG_2029.jpg)

On a different note, I installed a thermometer in the crawl space and inside the cottage. I wanted to know the difference in temperature between both as well as to determine how cold does it get down there. I will use this information to find out how feasable is it to put a pressure tank and a small cistern down there. The plan is to bring water from the lake (which is 30 feet or so away) and store it under the cottage, thinking that would help in winter. So far I go -5 Celcius inside cottage and -0.5 in the crawlspace, with -9 reported temperature outside.

That is my report as of now.  Roger and out :)
Title: Re: 20x 30 1 1/2 story- in Lac-Des-Plages, Quebec
Post by: sharbin on March 26, 2013, 09:22:42 AM
Happy Spring fellow cottagers,

Not sure whether my memory is failing me or not, but it seems to me this year we got more snow than the previous one... sharing some pictures with you  ::)

(https://i254.photobucket.com/albums/hh99/sharbinsa/Cottage%20construction%202007%20till/IMG046-1.jpg)

(https://i254.photobucket.com/albums/hh99/sharbinsa/Cottage%20construction%202007%20till/IMG045.jpg)


On a different topic, although we have started building 4 years ago, we never bought insurance coverage for the cottage (we did not think we could). So we started shopping around and turned out that unless the cottage is fully finished they would not insure it. However, my insurance broker told me that I can buy a temp insurance at a cost of whopping $1,200 paid up front for 6 month coverage covering 95K   :o. This is after I told my broker that I have the intention of finishing the inside by fall this year  d*). So we are still debating whether to go for it or wait till all is finished (well we waited 4 years... why not another one or two  ;D).

Ah, by the way I added pictures for previous postings on this page that I said I would but never did...
Title: Re: 20x 30 1 1/2 story- in Lac-Des-Plages, Quebec
Post by: sharbin on October 30, 2013, 04:12:19 PM
Good day fellow cottagers/builders,

Has been a while, so thought of coming back and continuing from where I left off.

Well, fall is coming fast and, as expected, was not able to finish the interior. However, did tons of things:

1- completed the bathroom. shower and all
2- complete the main bedroom (well, bought the door and stained it, should install it next week)
3- installed and painted drywalls (in the living area there would be wainscotting)...
4- almost finished installing T&G on the ceiling

Still have 4 dormers, wainscotting, one small bedroom, and flooring to do. I doubt I will be able to finish all of that before the snow fall.
so for the T&G we will/used 1x8 for walls and floors; walls stained with colonial colour, except for bedrooms where it is white wash stain, and dark walnut for flooring. Also for the pine doors, we used colonial stain as well.


I will post pictures soon.

Sharbin
Title: Re: 20x 30 1 1/2 story- in Lac-Des-Plages, Quebec
Post by: UperJoe on February 22, 2014, 11:21:59 AM
Sharbin ---- you are getting to be as forgetful as I am.  :)

Pictures - you promised more pictures 5 months ago.......grace period is expiring my good fellow ;D ;D ;)
I am waiting .... c*
Title: Re: 20x 30 1 1/2 story- in Lac-Des-Plages, Quebec
Post by: sharbin on April 22, 2022, 01:41:52 PM
Hello all,

 it has been a while.... a very long while I did not post here... 9 years!
Lots of personal life changes; separation, divorce, meeting, engagement, marriage, and now back in business in continuing from where I left off.

Hope all have been good for everyone... I can see lots of familiar names here... bless you all.


All has been good. Cottage still standing (although according to MountainDon's moto, if it is still standing it does not mean it is well built ::) )

I have been running off a honda generator since day zero but now I have decided to start stage 2: inverter/charger and 400ah  LifePo4 battery set.
Title: Re: 20x 30 1 1/2 story- in Lac-Des-Plages, Quebec
Post by: sharbin on April 22, 2022, 01:52:59 PM
I can't seem to post pictures so added the below link till I figure it out.
This is just to prove that the cottage is still standing  ;D

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1fg9NM8DzQOc9Od3FKgPfe2xDS8ACad7A/view?usp=sharing (https://drive.google.com/file/d/1fg9NM8DzQOc9Od3FKgPfe2xDS8ACad7A/view?usp=sharing)
Title: Re: 20x 30 1 1/2 story- in Lac-Des-Plages, Quebec
Post by: sharbin on April 22, 2022, 02:25:52 PM
view on the lake with the dock
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1IzLjRvGAl8qHJWrRh7jOkavIQguQNziS/view?usp=sharing (https://drive.google.com/file/d/1IzLjRvGAl8qHJWrRh7jOkavIQguQNziS/view?usp=sharing)
Title: Re: 20x 30 1 1/2 story- in Lac-Des-Plages, Quebec
Post by: sharbin on April 22, 2022, 03:09:46 PM
and here is a video that shows the inside of the cottage (hope that works)
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1m44xHpM_gEgFF49B205R-gzQE7aEKBTw/view?usp=sharing (https://drive.google.com/file/d/1m44xHpM_gEgFF49B205R-gzQE7aEKBTw/view?usp=sharing)
Title: Re: 20x 30 1 1/2 story- in Lac-Des-Plages, Quebec
Post by: MountainDon on April 22, 2022, 04:30:37 PM
Yes, there are still some familiar faces here. Welcome back.

To post an image using the new upload method...

Under the compose a new message field, to the right side, is a button labeled "ADD FILES". Click that button.

A new field will be displayed which is outlined in RED.Do as instructed... "Drag and drop your files here, or use the button to add files."  Then click on the "UPLOAD ALL" button. When the upload is completed, click on the "INSERT" button. Then click on the "POST" button.

I think that should work for everyone. I just did it for my first time with Sharbin's images.  I could not do that with the video, but it is a large file and I am tethered to my phone and a poor mobile connection right now.

Note the inserted images are clickable and will display larger.
Title: Re: 20x 30 1 1/2 story- in Lac-Des-Plages, Quebec
Post by: sharbin on April 26, 2022, 09:00:12 AM
Thanks MountainDon.
I will try to follow your instructions, although I do not see any "ADD FILES" button, but I will figure it out  ::)
Title: Re: 20x 30 1 1/2 story- in Lac-Des-Plages, Quebec
Post by: sharbin on April 26, 2022, 09:50:52 AM
Quote from: sharbin on April 26, 2022, 09:00:12 AMThanks MountainDon.
I will try to follow your instructions, although I do not see any "ADD FILES" button, but I will figure it out  ::)
I just saw the "Help" section that shows where the "ADD FILES" button is located.... However, I do not see that... I only see "PREVIEW" and "POST" buttons.
I am using Chrome browser on a ChromeBook... maybe that is the culprit.