Hello All, not sure what took me so long to register, but here I am! I would like to share my project with you that my wife and I are building in East Tx ( 2hrs away from our home in Dallas). I have done much research in preperation for building but I am still learning more everyday. So with that being said, any and all input is welcome ( critiquing, concerns, ideas, etc.) I will try to post as many pics as I can as I go along, and if you have a question about something that is not clear in a photograph just ask and Ill be happy to give details. Enjoy!
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This is my progress to date
looks good. have a floorplan you could share? kind of interesting the way you extended the support beams... almost tree-house like. i like it.
yea I do, let me dig it out and Ill take a pic of it and post it
I have a question on the beams. The beams appear to be 4x12. Is that correct; two 2x12's with a spacer sheet? They are on 8 foot centers, as well? I ask because using Table 502.5(1) in the IRC for a roof, ceiling and one center bearing floor, two 2x12 could be used at a pier spacing of 8'1" for a 20 foot wide building. Yours is slightly narrower so there would be some small additional safety factor. However with the extra floor at one end that may be pushing the limits a tad far. Of course if this is from a set on engineered drawings, that may be completely fine. It is just something that I wonder about. (two floors in Table 502.5(1) lists pier spacing at 6'8")
One other concern that comes to mind also centers around the beams. The end extending beyond the outer end wall could be a potential source for the ingress of water. The protruding end could be a pathway for water to be drawn under the floor joist and along the beam. That could lead future rot issues.
We don't see many truss floors around here, especially ones with OSB side plates. Are they factory made or owner built from a plan set?
One other thing that nags at me... the stair stringers. It appears that the spacing is greater than 16 inches. maybe appearances are deceiving. 16 inch is fairly normal and in some places those stairs would be required to have stringers at 12 inch OC. My mind keep running a picture of 4 or more football players running down the stairs.
It looks like you have a great start on your home . . .
If I may ask, Why is your first floor platform so high off the ground?
I also, am interested in your floor plan . . .
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Thanks for all the input everyone, Ill get to the floor plan today ( its really simple and probably wont surprise anyone :-[)
MountainDon- You seem to be a celebrity around here so your keen eye to detail is much apprieciated. To answer your questions, you are right on the size of beams, excluding the spacer, only double 2"x12". I had the very same concern you did, so if you take a closer look at the picture showing the stairs and the very next one, you will see additional posts. Under the portion of the beams that carry the load of the 2nd floor I installed 2 more additional posts per 8' section ( this gives me post approx 29" o.c.). For the rest of the beam I dropped in 4"x6" posts between all the rest of the 8' spans, making the spans 4' o.c. What really bugged me is I used 4"x4" posts d* this is the main reason for all the "beefing up".
In regards to the beams extending further from the end walls I had never considered your point, they are more of a "design detail", what can be done about that now?
The stairs are a work in progress, the joist hangers you see in the picture are temperary and only served as means of keeping the stringers in place till I could sink a 1/4" lag from behind. My end goal is to install railings on the stairs and porch and when I do I plan on extending a 4x4 post from the ground on either side right up snug the stairs and porch and bolt in place to both the stairs and porch, the post will extend up to become part of the railings. do you think I need to do this more to the center of the end stringers as well?
Bayview- The answer to your question is nothing scientific. We wanted to gain a higher vantage point to extend our views as much as possible, also I just think its kindda cool. As cbc58 mentioned, its kinda like a treehouse effect
I see the extra posts..... they just didn't "register" upstairs... d*
Quote from: nathan.principe on September 28, 2010, 09:01:09 AM
... the beams extending further from the end walls I had never considered your point, they are more of a "design detail", what can be done about that now?
chainsaw. ;D Just cut off the ends with a chain or reciprocating saw. The protrusions could also be flashed as long as you can still get the flashing slipped in under the sheathing and have it extend out over the top of the beams.
There might be a similar concern with the beam that extends under the entrance porch. Not sure what can be done at this point on that other than keep an eye on the integrity of the beam over the future years. Depending on how wet it gets it may not be a problem.
another idea on those protruding supports is to place a board on top of them to create a shelf (angled slightly to shed water) and put plants on there. siding/flashing would have to be done really well. just an idea if you have to keep them for design. maybe the pros here can say if that is feasible.
As Promised here is the floor plan, I had to redraw it so im not sure all measurements are 100% accurate, but very very close. The loft is represented by the perforated line and sits above the kitchen and bathroom. The fire place will be electric and have bookcases built around. Hope this helps
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MountainDon,I forgot to answer your truss question. I made the trusses my self, I did not have them engineered. I did some research and modeled them after others that I have seen in a similar situation. The reason for doing this ( and using OSB) was cost. To make them myself was pretty labor intensive, but I found it was cheaper ( and lighter) than then standard dimensional lumber. I feel they ended up good, they are super rigid and the floor has no give.
I haven't seen anyone make trusses for a long time. Many years ago I made some using plans from a publication from one of the ag universities. They used plywood plates and waterproof resorcinol glue, plus nails. They were roof trusses but the principles are much the same. I was just wondering how these came about. You are darn right on them being labor intensive.
Nice and, may I add, professional work. [cool]
I have noticed that you have barrels with tubes coming out of it.... what is it for?
hahaha, I was waiting for someone to comment on that. That was my attempt at a small homemade septic system, after I brought it out to the site, I didnt get far on the installation before I was notified that I would need a permit and inspection for a septic ( I was told through the HOA that I wouldnt need a permit for anything, shouldve know better). So for now a septic is on the back burner. And while Im on the topic, Does anyone have personal experience with a composting toilet? or electric incinerating toilet? My 2 big questions are : do they give off oder when confined in a small space, and can you use it for #1 or just #2? I am thinking I can get by having a simple "grease trap" or "dry well" type septic as long as theres no sewage involved ( only for sink and shower) what do you guys think?
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MountainDon- You seem to be a celebrity around here so your keen eye to detail is much apprieciated.
Celebrity! There will no living with him now! :)
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Re the septic, with no actual toilet sewage. Most places that allow gray water systems do not count the kitchen sink as gray water. At least from what I've seen here, that is the general policy. You should check on the local rules for that. Gray water systems frequently do not allow storage of the water and do not allow above ground discharge.
As for compsting toilets, one can always try the 5 gallon bucket and wood shavings method. I have been told by a couple who used such a thing for several years it worked well. They do now have a standard toilet and septic. Others have used such things for years.
We have a Sun-Mar composting toilet (AC/DC model). It is designed to handle liquid waste. It has a liquid evaporation tray and an overfloww. Our overflow has never flowed any over. ;D There is no smell. However, be warned that composting action ceases around 50 degrees F. If the toilet sits for periods of time in cooler temperatures it becomes a collection vessel, not a composter.
http://countryplans.com/smf/index.php?topic=2335.msg59916#msg59916
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Some of the composting toilets require separation of the liquids and solids. That's too much bother as far as my personal choices. I didn't like the pee here, poop there approach. A tree is one of my alternates.
We also had looked into separating waste and gray water.
As MtDon mentioned . . . There are quite a few requirements. Generally so prohibitive that it is just as easy to install a conventional septic system.
Follow this link for Texas requirements.
http://www.oasisdesign.net/greywater/law/texas/index.htm (http://www.oasisdesign.net/greywater/law/texas/index.htm)
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Thanks Bayview and MD, that document was a big help. I do realize that there is a reason for the regulations, but I can already tell this is going to be my least favorite part of the project :(
Septic was a piece of cake for me. I used the infiltrator systems and installed the whole thing myself. In my county, there are no inspections or permits for septic systems installed on property of 10 acres or more.
Phalynx, I would owe you big if you could give me more details on the system your talking about, etc. costs, time for installation, how big is tank and leach feild? I ask this because mine will have to be hand dug ( there is now way to get heavy equip to the site, or funds for it) pics would also be helpful if you had em, thx in advance
phalynx, I owe you big already.
I called around when I bought the property about permits and such. I was told the county had no permits but that the state of Texas REQUIRED the septic permit, and REQUIRED the septic be signed off by a certified installer. After reading your comment I went to look it up.
http://info.sos.state.tx.us/pls/pub/readtac$ext.ViewTAC?tac_view=5&ti=30&pt=1&ch=285&rl=Y
section3, general requirements - Texas
Quote(a) Permit required. A person shall hold a permit for an OSSF unless the OSSF meets one of the exceptions in subsection (f) of this section.
ok. whats in this section "f"?
(f) Exceptions.
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(1) An owner of an OSSF will not be required to comply with the permitting, operation, and installation requirements of this chapter if the OSSF is not creating a nuisance and:
(A) the OSSF was installed before September 1, 1989, provided the system has not been altered, and is not in need of repair;
(B) the OSSF was installed before the effective date of the order, ordinance, or resolution in areas where the local governmental entity had an approved order, ordinance, or resolution dated before September 1, 1989, provided the system has not been altered and is not in need of repair; or
(C) the owner received authorization to construct from a permitting authority before the effective date of this chapter.
ok, no help there. For section 1 to apply you basically have to be grandfathered in. fair enough.
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(2) No planning materials, permit, or inspection are required for an OSSF for a single family dwelling located on a tract of land that is ten acres or larger and:
(A) the OSSF is not causing a nuisance or polluting groundwater;
(B) all parts of the OSSF are at least 100 feet from the property line;
(C) the effluent is disposed of on the property; and
(D) the single family dwelling is the only dwelling located on that tract of land.
Thats the one, my place fits that description as well. AWESOME!
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Nathan - as for DIY system with infiltrator setup, here you go.
http://www.eco-nomic.com/septic.htm
I have been looking at it myself for quite a while. I will be reading it much much closer now that I see I can do it myself entirely.
Muldoon and Nathan, be sure to give a call to your county. Some counties have permitting requirements and they are allowed to do so from TX law. My county doesn't inspect or permit for 10ac or larger due to a manpower shortage. My previous county was extremely strict even with more than 10 acres. Had to pay a permit of $200 plus they refused to grant any septic type except an aerobic which required quarterly inspections (at $180yr).
The infiltrator system is a piece of cake. Determine your soil, use their chart to determine the number of panels to buy and just dig a trench wide enough for the panels. Each panel is 4' long and 2-3' wide. We required 24 panels for our super sandy soil and # of bathrooms. We installed a 1000 gallon 2 chamber tank and then ran a pipe to the panels which were set up in a long string.
The rental of a small backhoe can be as cheap as $250 for 8 hours. That is plenty of time to put one in.
http://www.infiltratorsystems.com/productline/quick4_infiltrator.asp
I believe we spent about 700 on the panels and 900 on the tank. It's not as cheap as a leach field but it goes in MUCH faster and no gravel required. Looking for pictures.
Thanks Muldoon and Phalynx, I have navigated the Infiltrater Systems website but have yet to find any type of chart to determine aprox what size tank and how many panels I might need, how did you find that out Phalynx? Also I cant find a distributer or prices??? I know I am "putting the horse before the carrage" trying to figure this stuff out before I even talk to authority, but I would like to have my ducks in a row when I do. My cabin will have only 1 restroom and occupy 2-4 people one weekend every month. I cant imagine that requiring a very large system. Am I crazy for thinking I can get this done for $1000 or less (material costs)
You can't do a system that is "compliant" for 1000. Although I have neighbor that built a mini system out of 2 55 gallon drums and a small leech field. The chart is on their PDF download which you have to fill out an online form to get access to. Also, you just call their number and they will tell you who sells around you. My dealer tried to mark it up to full retail but I had one salesman slip up and say the price for their landscapers so I got it at that price which was about 30% less.
(2) No planning materials, permit, or inspection are required for an OSSF for a single family dwelling located on a tract of land that is ten acres or larger and:
(A) the OSSF is not causing a nuisance or polluting groundwater;
(B) all parts of the OSSF are at least 100 feet from the property line;
(C) the effluent is disposed of on the property; and
(D) the single family dwelling is the only dwelling located on that tract of land.
This is the same thing my customer (who is a licesened installer) told me he said most people dont know this and the county does not admit to unless you ask. He also told me to install it to spec for our county because if I ever sold it and it was inspected and was not up to min. code it will come back to bite me. I plan on doing my own.
I see the septic permit law. It seems clear. There is a law in Texas that states counties cannot impose any building codes, permits, or inspections on any building outside of an incorporated area. But, I had read (several years ago) that the septic law allows for county permits on all septics. Looking for verification.
I dont meet half those standards anyway, my lot is 100'x 100' in a "development", certainly not 10 acres or more, and obviously the system will be closer 100' to the property line, all this info is good tho to educate me when the time comes to talk to the county
w* Congratulations Nathan...I too, am going to be building a cabin in the East Texas area. I just finished clearing my lot a few weeks ago. My forum title is Oldest Town in Texas. If you are familiar with East Texas and your Texas history, you know where that is. Just curious, as to where in East Texas is your project?
Looks beautiful with all the trees. I love that area. (was born in it) I too, live in Dallas area. (Murphy-Plano)
So far , so good on your project. Hope I can do half as well as it seems you have started. I have never built ANYTHING before...
This site has been my inspiration.
Hey TeeCee! you are just a hop skip and a jump away from me, I live in Rowlett. Jefferson???? Im not as familiar as you might think with East Texas, Ive lived in Dallas most my life, and to be honest with you I really only took a interest in the outdoors lifestyle a few years ago. Anyway, My cabin is in Avinger Tx, On Lake O' the Pines, the community is called Indian Hills Harbor. Thx for the kind compliments, and I cant wait to see further progress on your own project
I'm thinking the oldest town in tx is San Augustine or Nacogdoches (depending on who you ask).
I'm from Gilmer (another NE TX boy), but live down south of Houston. I went to LOthePines all the time growing up.
Austin
I believe your right dablack, I did some research since my last post. its good to see alot of Texas boys on the forum, do you have a project thread going that I could check out?
How 'bout Texas gals? I was born in Houston (only was there for 2 wks tho :D ) Just flew into Dallas 2x's recently because American Airlines corporate office is there but only saw the inside of the airport...
Welcome ya'll... good to see a lot of new people on the forum!
2 weeks is better then no weeks! thx for the warm welcome ;)
Nathan,
No I don't have a project going right now. I'm still in the research phase.
Plus we need to finish up fixing our 1968 house before I even think about buying land and building a house. In fact today I put all the solid tile down in the 2nd bath. Tomorrow after it dries, I will start cutting tile and putting it down. So I have lots to do.
I do have a question for you. How much time do you have into your right now and how much help have you gotten.
thanks
Austin
I broke ground almost exactly 1 yr ago, cutting trees and clearing the lot, etc. I visit the cabin about 2 time a month and just stay for the day, although I do alot of work here at my permanent residence precutting all the lumber. As far as help, my wife comes out with me most of the time, and Ive had some buddies out on several occasions ( to lift the gable walls and help with the roof framing). I hope to finish the roof framing on my next visit, and hope to have it dried in by the end of the year. As soon as we have electricity we will start staying the night
I took my brother out the cabin last Wednesday to recruit his help for working on the rafters, ( which was cool bc it was his first time seeing it!). We just fell short of installing all the rafters, and still lack some of the sofits. I do have a concern tho, since my last outing to the cabin the main ridge board ( the longest run over the main living area) has started to twist a little, for lack of materials I had to install it anyway. You may be able to see in the pictures that not all the rafters sit completely flush to it >:( I plan to install "collars" ( for lack of a better word) across all the rafters to stop them from bowing the walls and having the roof sink down, is there anything else obvious that I am missing to make this a solid roof structure? Also I used the Simpson brand connectors for the ridge to the rafters, so I know at least theres a good connection. heres some pics
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Heres a shot of some "pre-assembled soffits", I installed the subfacia, cedar fascia, soffit boards with vents, and the cross supports on the ground. This made it a real task to get the 2 up that we did, but to me its still easier then assembling all of it that high in the air
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You can see in the next shot that the soffit didnt make a perfect connection to the siding ( im still lacking a peice of siding by the way) as I would have liked. Theres a 1/2 inch gap that Im hoping trim will cover
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This is my scaffolding platform that I slapped together, it has those cheap little utility wheels on the bottom that can lock in place, this made it easy to maneuver it to where I needed it
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And heres what its starting to shape up to look like from the outside
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It will be another 2 weeks before I can return to finish the roof framing and prepare for the roof sheathing
Nice building Nathan.
What size is your ridge board ?
It appears that it should be a little bigger (2x10, 2x12) so that the full end of the rafter rests on the side of the ridge board.
Just tryin' to be helpful . . .
Re: the rafters and ridge board. The ridge board, which is actually a 2" plank but at one time was actually a 1" board, should be sized with sufficient depth to extend from the point of the rafter to the heel. In other words the rafter top end cut end should be fully supported tip to heel. If the heel is not supported that places more load/stress on the pointy end. Another 2x (2x4, 2x6) could be added and nailed into place to spread the loads. Frequently using one size bigger than the rfaters will work, depending on pitch. (2x6 rafters = 2x8 ridge board). If cut error or a warp causes there to be a gap the gap should be shimmed to provide full surface contact.
Re: collar ties.. Collar ties are installed in the upper 1/3 of the roof. They are used to brace the roof framing against uplifting caused bt winds. They are installed on every other rafter set when the rafters are on 24" centers at a minimum. When metal connectors are used collar ties may not be required. Sometimes metal straps are used over the top of the rafters and ridge board in lieu of collar ties.
Re: rafter ties.. Rafter ties are the things that tie the walls together to prevent the outward rafter forces from spreading the wall tops. A flat celing joist serves as a rafter tie. Rafter ties are installed in the lower 1/3.
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I never thought about shimming the gaps between the rafters and ridge board, thats food for thought. I will probably end up installing collar ties on all of the rafters. I really like the open concept of a cathedral ceiling though, so I would be a bit hesitant to install rafter ties, If this is a big no no, please but in someone. I hope that installing collar ties on all rafters will help support the roof enough from bowing out the side walls
Looks great...Inspires me to get back to building on mine..I am in Dallas too and my place is in Wills Point about 40 miles east of Dallas. The septic is also really been bothering me...all I hear is I need an aerobic system too.
Collar ties and rafter ties perform different functions but are both essential roof-framing members. Collar ties (top 1/3) help to hold the roof on. An example of bad things happening in their absence would be a big wind storm that blows in one or more windows in a gable end, or the entire gable framing. That wind pressurizes the interior space and the roof sheathing and roofing material lifts at a weak point and everything peels off. However, a collar tie will do little to nothing to prevent wall spread and ridge sag.
A cathedral ceiling with no cross ties between the upper wall plates can be achieved with a structural ridge beam. That requires different construction techniques. Many folks will use a beam across the wall plates, spaced every 4 feet. A beam in the open space looks better than the 2x4 that the IRC permits as a minimum. A few 4x6 beams could be used to supply the structural strength as well as being visually pleasing.
From the IRC, section R802.3.1 (yes there are a lot of "thou shall...." in there, and yes this smacks of Big Brother telling us what to do... but this is one of the places where there are good reasons to read, understand and act on the provisions of the IRC. My opinion.
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Don, you make a valid point, so I believe I will start to think about how to incorporate a couple large beams as rafter ties ( poss a built up beam, like a triple 2x6s that will straddle the adjacent rafters), however Im not clear on why the maximum spacing for collar ties is 4' oc ???
My rafters are 24" oc, so this means it would be a bad idea to install a tie on everyone, and I should only install them on every other one, why is that? In my thinking installing them 24" oc is all that much more support
The spacing of 4' is maximum spacing, so every 2' would be fine also
Ok, well that makes more sense, I guess I just read it wrong. Dax, I know where Wills Point is, do you have any photos or a thread going on your project?
Here is mine
http://countryplans.com/smf/index.php?topic=8931.0 (http://countryplans.com/smf/index.php?topic=8931.0)
Hello from another Texan. Living in Dallas, land in Murchison.
Looks great so far Nathan.
never heard of Murchison, had to google map it! haha.... thanks for the kind words
Be sure you pronouce Murchison without the CH sound. They can get down right testy about it. LOL. I use to teach school in Malakoff, sure do miss the wonderful people in that area. Ah, the life of a Texas High School football coach's family and the occasional moves.
A few more shots from my recent visit to the cabin this weekend, I worked mainly on the roof rafters that extend from the 2nd floor loft wall over the covered porch ( I had to adjust the sizes of each individaul rafter in this area, I must have built something out of square ???) and installed collar ties on each set of interior rafters. Next visit I will work on installing the remaining soffits and a rafter tie system I have formulated in my head. Also I need advice on roofing as I am approaching that stage, I have thought about many different options, anyway I will open a thread about it in the General forum section, please feel free to comments with your experiences their, thx
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Hello from another Texan. [cool] Your project looks great! I have family in Marshall that used to have place out there. We spent a many a day on that lake when I was a kid. Keep up the good work and just so you know, there is no such thing as too many pictures. We love us some pictures around here.
Went to the cabin today, didnt get a whole lot done, just some tedius stuff. Did the 1x6 cedar fascia and installed a 2x4 ledger for the soffits on the lower roof line, did some more sheathing on the porch area, and added 1 of 2 rafter ties, almost ready to do some roofing but not quite yet, heres some pics
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Heres the Rafter tie detail, I dont have any stock available to me over 16' and I needed 17', so here you can see that I notched 2 10' length to receive each other with a 6" over lap, I later glued and screwed them together and added a 1/2" plywood gusset ( supposed to mimic a steel plate) and also glued and screwed them to either side for reinforcement, the other 3 2x6s are mainly for character, but im sure they add some support also
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what you are seeing in the last two pics under the rafter tie is my rolling scaffolding
and just for fun, a shot from the road at the end of our property
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nice pictures nathan!
This is my favorite project to follow here on CP. Amazing!
Thanks for the kind words, means a lot coming from 2 skilled builders as yourselfs
I took a friend with me yesterday to start on the roof purlins that I mentioned in a previous post. We got about half the roof done with them. I also finished installing the remainder of the pre-assembled end rafter/soffit combos ( I will have a little adjusting and some unexpected trim in some of those areas to hide imperfections. Here are some pics of the progress
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You probably noticed in previous pics that the end rafters werent making a connection, this is a pic after I nailed them off the ridge board. I will have to replace part of the fascias tho to conceal the small gap
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a few more photos from recent progress. we about 90% done with installing the purlins, the electric is ready for the service drop, and I completed the framing for the dormer window, still have one wall to build between the 2 roof lines, and some sheathing to do before installing the metal roof. Also I think I had an epiphany on the roofing, my new thought is to install 1/2" rigid foam under the metal roofing (on top of the purlins) in vertical strips as wide as the metal panels, so I can install both at the same time as I move across the roof ( and I will tape the seams) my reason for this is I believe it will take care of the issue of condensation dripping into my rafter bays and insulation. If condensation forms under the metal, the foam board is a water proof AND will give an extra r-2 to the roof. To me this trumps the idea of installing vertical felt under the metal, what do you think?
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the place is coming together nicely Nathan
Hey Nathan and other members.
Your house looks great!!!
I have not posted since earlier in the fall..Ran into a bit of bad luck. (divorce)
BUT, I am proud to say, I'm almost outta the woods (not literally) with my problems and I can say I will get to start back on my project VERY SOON (which is in the woods...get it? LOL). I will be making my first trip back to Nacogdoches, to work on my lot in almost 6 months. I have been back there twice since October for FUNERALS(sad to say). But, logging on here and seeing u guys still going at it is therapy for me. Will take pictures of my cleared lot. I am going down either this weekend or the "in between " weekend before the Super Bowl.(IM a HUGE STEELERS FAN and I can't miss any of the games at this point.)
I plan to build my storage "shed" first. For two reasons: 1) Practice(since I have never built anything ever)
2) To house materials and tools ; so I wont have to lug them back and forth from Dallas area to Nac(2.5 hour drive)
Is this a good idea or not? Any suggestions on what plans to use for the storage shed?
I plan to use the small house plan that has the three "choices" with it? I can't remember that plan name at the moment..LOL..geeez...Im gonna need LOTS of help..
Quote from: TeeCee19 on January 19, 2011, 01:21:45 PM
I plan to build my storage "shed" first. For two reasons: 1) Practice(since I have never built anything ever)
2) To house materials and tools ; so I wont have to lug them back and forth from Dallas area to Nac(2.5 hour drive)
Is this a good idea or not?
It's a good idea, IMO. The only time it is not a good idea is when/if the local permit process insists on having the residence built first. G/L
Quote from: TeeCee19 on January 19, 2011, 01:21:45 PM
Is this a good idea or not?
I can't remember that plan name at the moment..LOL..geeez...
They are the Little House Plans
http://www.jshow.com/y2k/listings/29.html (http://www.jshow.com/y2k/listings/29.html)
That is what we did. I used the plans for the 10x14 and built a 10x12. We added a gable roof for the loft so we have a storage shed and sleeping quarters. Works very well. We are planning a 20x32 1-1/2 story in the future.
http://countryplans.com/smf/index.php?topic=10085.0 (http://countryplans.com/smf/index.php?topic=10085.0)
thx for the compliment teecee19, I also built a shed before my main build, only the shed is at my house( I dont leave tools or much materials at the site) It was very helpful to get hands on experience before attempting the main cabin. Good luck and be sure to post plenty of pics! I will add more pics and update my project as soon as I get the roof on
Quote from: nathan.principe on October 11, 2010, 01:17:11 PM
Ok, well that makes more sense, I guess I just read it wrong. Dax, I know where Wills Point is, do you have any photos or a thread going on your project?
Been so long I know...I will make a thread with the pics I have so far.
Had a chance to put up some of the roofing, didnt get as far as I had hoped but I should be able to finish on my next visit, the hard part is out of the way (roofing around the dormer). Heres some pics, enjoy
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Your making good progress Nathan.
Your place is looking great!! Nice work!
Almost complete with the roof! fell 2 panels short. Most of you know that I took an untraditional approach to my roof being that I installed the metal over purlins. I was able to tuck vertical strips of 30# felt under each panel as I installed and lapped them by 6"-8". I also fastend the ridge cap as I moved along the roof, tucking each panel under it as I installed it. All in all, it was a much tougher job than I expect, just as everything else has been. There are flaws that occured in some of the panels getting out of line with each other by over all Im happy with it, and the look. I also installed another interior "truss thingy ???" that matches the 1st one and acts as a "rafter tie" ( thx! Mtn Don). Also painted some of the exterior green ( the two unpainted spots in the front will get cut out for windows) and finished up putting on the felt underlayment in the porch area that will get cedar siding. Enjoy the pics :)
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Looking good Nathan!! I am so envious.. Planted grass seed on my lot three weeks ago to help cut down on runoff. Hope to start my "storage shed" next month! Cool to see someone near by (my cottage gonna be in Nacogdoches area) doing similar thing. I hope I can be half as good as you are with your place. Awesome!!
Nice looking project Nathan. I like the style and the big sheltering roof. Those trusses you built look nice and sturdy too.
You are up in the air there. That roof looks pretty steep from below!
Quote from: John Raabe on April 06, 2011, 04:33:03 PM
You are up in the air there. That roof looks pretty steep from below!
It looks steep from up there too! hahaha......thanks for the kind comments everyone
Looks like the electric meter reader may need a step-ladder; or is the picture a little deceiving ... ???
Nice project. :)
Quote from: PA-Builder on April 09, 2011, 08:22:57 PM
Looks like the electric meter reader may need a step-ladder; or is the picture a little deceiving ... ???
If it were a little higher he would! Ive actually been there when he has come around, you can read it from the ground tho
Got to the cabin this weekend for a little work! This time I brought with me a project I have been working on at home....My front door! After pricing exterior wood slabs, I knew that was out of the question. My next option was looking at solid wood interior slabs which were much more reasonable, but still a pretty penny, my thought was to give it several coats of exterior grade poly to protect it from the elements. As my wheels started to turn the idea of making my own slab and frame from scratch sounded like a challenge worth giving a try. I did a little research and drew some rough plans. Heres how I started
I started with 2x6 white pine for the perimeter part of the door as well as one board that cuts across the middle. I set my table saw and made a 1/2" grove in the center, 2" deep, by making several passes with a typical saw blade
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The next steps were to make a series of cuts interlock all the different pieces of the door together by "tongue and grove" and "biscuit" type joints. When done I pieced together the door piece by piece gluing everything along the way. After that I used a 1" saw drill bit to take plugs out of the perimeter where the pieces locked together and plugged them with 1" dowel pieces for added strength, heres a few pieces of the intricate cuts
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The next few pics are of the finished product being install along with a few more windows and cedar siding on the porch area, enjoy!
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WOW!! Nice work Nathan..
Nice work! Looks great :)
Wow fantastic work!!!
TT
Nathan...That is fantastic work. Im almost afraid to start on my project now!! Dont want anyone making comparisons...Very nice.
I plan to be in the Carthage area (on HWY 59 in fact) very near Marshall for Memorial Day weekend. Friend of mine having a crawfish boil that Saturday. Perhaps I can drive out to see ya cabin on Sunday? Directions or you can come eat some crawfish with us Saturday as well..????
Nathan..Just scrolled back and noticed you are not as close to Marshall as I thought, but, near Avinger, Longview, Gilmer, etc.... Still good to know about a project in an area im familiar with. (Longview HS grad)
I will actually be building about 70 miles from where you are building. But, I will be near your project Memorial Day Weekend..
TeeCee, Ill be here around town in Dallas for Memorial Day. Also my cabin is in a "private" community, so with out tags on your vehicle they are know to call the police! And dont be too worried to start your project, you will probably have minor flaws just as mine does :)
been a while since I posted since most of the progress I have made hasn't been photo worthy ( and I love photos :) ) since Ive last posted I have tied up some loose ends, finished all the electrical, insulated the ceiling and started sheathing it. I have recommended to a few on here of my ideas of using reclaimed weathered fence pickets for ceiling sheathing because of its rustic effect and cheap nature ( in my case free!) I will worn tho, it is not an easy task breaking down the panels and removing each nail by hand, but worth it to me in the long run. I am accually further along in the process then the pics show, and I plan on finishing this weekend
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this ac was given to me for free by my parents, while there is yet no insulation ( and concidering teh ac is probably too small) it at least does the trick of letting you get cooled off by standing on front of it, and right now that is a must!
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More ceiling progress, got a little more to do tho
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very nice nathan!!
I love how this looks, nice work!! :)
Ive been to the cabin a couple times since my last post. I have put up all the used pickets I had but ran short in the loft area. I will need to acquire enough more to do the "flat" part of the ceiling ( against the collar ties).
My other major feat was starting on the plumbing. I chose to cpvc supply lines over pex because it seemed less intimidating and I didnt have to buy any new tools ( except some new boring and saw bits for my drill) also I didnt really have any "crazy" maneuvering to do with the pipe.
This Pic is of where I will tie 1" cpvc line from the meter to my rough plumbing. The idea is that I can turn the ball valve and drain the system thru the faucets before winter.
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from there I ran a 3/4" line along the perimeter of the exterior walls that will have the fixtures and stubbed up a 1/2" line thru the bottom plate where I would need water supply
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A few things that ran short on supplies to do is tie into this "T" with a 1/2" line and stub up to where my electric on demand water heater will go. I will have one more line to run from the water heater to the shower, as this will be my only hot water source
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I also need to stub down a 3/4" pipe and attach my other faucet on the opposite end of teh cabin and continue the line to make my last stub up
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I way of the DWV system I believe I have done everything "exectable" but this was the more tricky part about the project. I came prepared the a sketch and the parts that I thought I needed, but spent about half my time staring and making changes! haha. So here is what I got
My main drain line is 3" with 2" pipe conecting to it at various places along the run tying in 2 sinks and the shower, I also used a 4" inch toilet flange and 4"-3" closet bend that drops into the 3" main drain pipe. Here are the slopes that I have achieved. In the short run of pipe before the toilet drops into the main drain pipe I have a slope of 1/4" per foot, the main drain pipes twice that at 1/2" per foot slope. Im not sure what the other 2" pipes are but they are sloping pretty good
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the wye that you see connected after the toilet flange will be a 2" vent, and as far as the other vents they are stubbed up the interior and still need to be carried out. When I install the septic I will finish the run of 3" drain pipe.
Nathan,
I am loving this project and appreciate the pictures your posting. Oddly enough one of your plumbing pictures helped me visualize something I was missing and I want to thank you for it. Get back to work soon cause your a few steps ahead of me and I want to read about what you are learning in the process. Nice cabin.
My camera has been out of batteries for some time now, so Im behind on posting progress and even taking new photos that are more current. Obviously I bought batteries so I will post what pics are already on here.
Here some of the drywall in mid-project
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I am nearly thru with the tape and bed ( Thank God for that!) and I will do the finishing trim and paint. Then Im bringing all the furniture!
Nathan, I gotta say, I've been following your build for quite some time now on a couple forums, and just get intrigued with every photo set. Lotsa neat nooks and crannies, and just plain unique.
I have to cruise thru more than a couple times just to envision it all.
I always leave your thread wanting more.
I know you're enjoying yourself.
Thanks for the show.
Keep on keepin' on.
ps....nice door, really nice
Im really falling behind on posting regular updates, but better later then never! Ive been working on the finishing touches getting ready to move the furniture in. It has taken 3 full days of work to paint, install the cedar trim, stain and seal the floors, but that is the last of the work I wanted to do before the furniture. I decided to take about a year off before I pick back up on the bathroom. Here are some photos of my recent progress
just for kicks, another 2 of the out side
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I have been constructing the cabinets at home from scratch using a good quality grade ply-wood. I new I was going to pant them and give a distressed look, so because of that there is no complicated joinery, just face nailing with finishing nails.
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I decided to use a regular old wash tub for a sink and cut a hole in bottom. I thought it would add a nice rustic touch and it was only $15! The counters are made from 2 types of pine ( type framing studs) and cedar ripped down on my table saw and glued together. I used left over epoxy resin I had to give it a nice seal
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I used 1x4 cedar to trim for all the windows and for the ceiling moldings and base boards. This made all the difference!
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I went with a simple approach for the stairs. I used 2x8 stringers and 2x6 cripple blocks (???) in between 2x12 treads. After we move all the furniture up stairs I will construct the handrails
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Again, that looks really nice. I really like the cabinets and countertop. Nice job on the sink too.
Austin
Great build! [cool] I love how many east Texans we have here!
Never commented on your build - really nice work - very creative. Hopefully you'll post more :)
Wow! Great progress!
I love the door you built! Cabinets are great too! I built two doors for my cabin but found they feel too light (I framed them and did T&G covering). I might try to make my next doors like yours!
Thanks for sharing! I too would rather build things my way.
AK TUNDRA
http://explore-build-do.blogspot.com/
Thanks for the recent interest. I will post some pics with the furniture and decor
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Everything looks great. You can see that you have really been enjoying it.
Austin