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Title: FPSF
Post by: 325ABN on April 15, 2010, 08:11:13 PM
Can anybody recomend a good book on frost proteced shallow foundations? I am thinking of using on for my 24 X 32 structure in NH.

Thanks!
Title: Re: FPSF
Post by: Jeff922 on April 16, 2010, 07:02:56 AM
The one and only place to go for this information is the National Association of Home Builders (NAHB) Revised Builder's Guide to Frost Protected Shallow Foundations.  I was able to print the 2004 edition off the internet - can't remember where, I'll try to find it and post a link.  It's 34pgs. of a very detailed procedure for different situations.  For example, I used the design guide for an unheated space - see some of my pics under "A Victoria's Cottage in Western Maine".  NAHB has done extensive research on this subject for the past 30 years or so including test homes in cold weather climates - like Vermont and Alaska. 

My monolithic "bell" slab has gone through two unheated winters and there are no cracks.  I followed the design guide exactly and that is what I would recommend.  There seems to be two schools of thought regarding FPSFs:  The right way and the way most contractors do them  ;).  A lot of people will tell you to only use 2' of perimeter "skirt" insulation but you should use at least 4' in New England.  I say this because I used 2' squares of rigid insulation under blocks under my small barn and it moves around a lot with the frost.  Now to be fair, this is not an apples to apples compairison.  My Victoria's project is on sandy, gravely soil and my barn (back at home) sits on clay.  Drainage is a VERY important thing to address.  I don't think I would try an FPSF on the wrong soil type.  It would be cost prohibitive as it would require 4"-6" of rigid insulation and/or lots of gravel.
 
Title: Re: FPSF
Post by: Jeff922 on April 16, 2010, 07:08:28 AM
Found it!

http://www.toolbase.org/Design-Construction-Guides/Foundations/Design-Guide-Frost-Protected-Shallow-Foundation

click the PDF link at the top of the page.
Title: Re: FPSF
Post by: 325ABN on April 16, 2010, 07:58:08 AM
THANK YOU! For that link. I almost spent $70 for the same thing.
Title: Re: FPSF
Post by: JavaMan on April 16, 2010, 10:59:38 AM
Thanks for the link - there is a lot of good, interesting info there! (besides the shallow foundation info) [cool]
Title: Re: FPSF
Post by: Jeff922 on April 16, 2010, 11:08:16 AM
 :)  I know, I actually thought it was any enjoyable read... :o 
Title: Re: FPSF
Post by: pocono_couple on April 19, 2010, 08:18:12 PM
where in NH?  do you have a design yet?
Title: Re: FPSF
Post by: 325ABN on April 19, 2010, 08:48:20 PM
Acworth is the town we have 22 acres. No firm plans yet other than a 24 X 30 (or so). Things are pretty fluid right now, expect the road to go in soon by then we should have a better grip on what we are building. Trying to put this together on a very tight budget.
Title: Re: FPSF
Post by: John Raabe on April 19, 2010, 09:20:49 PM
Here's a FPSF article I've had for several years on the main CountryPlans.com web page. I think they did a very good job on the graphics:

http://www.countryplans.com/Downloads/shallowfound.pdf
Title: Re: FPSF
Post by: 325ABN on April 19, 2010, 10:20:20 PM
Thanks John! [cool]

I could have sworn I searched the site for something like this. ??? ??? d*
Title: Re: FPSF
Post by: Jeff922 on April 20, 2010, 06:12:52 AM
Oh yeah, I forgot about that article - that's a good one.
Title: Re: FPSF
Post by: pocono_couple on April 20, 2010, 09:49:36 PM
Acworth - looks like a quiet area of the state...  it will be neat to follow your progress..   i used to live in wolfeboro a while back, and i still enjoy visiting when i get the chance to come back up north!