Today I worked on clearing the brush to make way for the driveway. The weather was cold and wet.
Quote from: Remington760-308 on November 02, 2012, 06:54:18 PM
Today I worked on clearing the brush to make way for the driveway. The weather was cold and wet.
w* Got a long way to go. Keep us posted on the progress. If I can ask what general area is your build? Might be of some help with log construction if you have some questions.
w* Your title sounds interesting.....where are you located?
Thinking back to when I was clearing brush vs. where I am as of the end of today... wow where has the time gone. First of all let me say welcome and congrats on the start of a fantastic journey. Looking forward to watching yours develop and pictures as well. w*
We don't get many log builders here, mostly we use sticks. ;)
What style will you be using; round log, square log, saddle notch, a "dovetail" variant, butt and pass, scribed, ... ?
Are you handscraping? taking to have them milled? Looking forward to seeing your build.
Quote from: mountainlady1956 on November 03, 2012, 11:40:44 PM
Are you handscraping? taking to have them milled? Looking forward to seeing your build.
I know all about handscraping - did days & days of it d*
Haven't done much since clearing brush-had to work to pay the bills. And IT"S HUNTING SEASON! I am waiting on a friend with a small excavator to dig stumps and clear driveway and level out for cabin. I am building in Columbia NH any suggestions on post and piers or concrete pad or 3 parallel frost walls. I am thinking just post and piers with bigfoot bottoms with 6' sona tubes so i can keep it off the ground by 2'. (//)
I have been logging with my John Deere tractor. I am planning on d-logs. Butt and pass walls. I have about 1/4 of the logs i need.
Quote from: Remington760-308 on November 07, 2012, 09:38:46 PM
Haven't done much since clearing brush-had to work to pay the bills. And IT"S HUNTING SEASON! I am waiting on a friend with a small excavator to dig stumps and clear driveway and level out for cabin. I am building in Columbia NH any suggestions on post and piers or concrete pad or 3 parallel frost walls. I am thinking just post and piers with bigfoot bottoms with 6' sona tubes so i can keep it off the ground by 2'.
Yes log homes and dirt are not normally compatable. Thats is why the older log homes had the sill logs rot. They just used corner stones and through time they would settle into the ground allowing the logs to near the soil and rot. I used a crawlspace and combination half basement on my log house foundation. I used an Alaskan sawmill to give a flat edge to the sill logs to set on a conventional deck/subfloor. Another reason for the 1/2 basement was to place utilities in. If I moved them to the main floor I would have lost a lot of floor space. In addition that would have required that I frame partitions against the log walls which I didn't particularly like to cover. An 24" mason (block or poured) wall would suffice for what you are planning.
In addition I would peel the logs and treat them as soon as you can.
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how do upload pics from photobucket to here
Quote from: Remington760-308 on November 07, 2012, 10:11:50 PM
how do upload pics from photobucket to here
http://countryplans.com/smf/index.php?topic=11663.msg149858#msg149858
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This is where i started. I will need 2 colverts.I am curving my driveway so people can't see the camp from the road.
Quote from: Remington760-308 on November 07, 2012, 10:31:31 PM
This is where i started. I will need 2 colverts.I am curving my driveway so people can't see the camp from the road.
(https://i1325.photobucket.com/albums/u635/Remington760-308/101_6701.jpg)Looking up the driveway. (https://i1325.photobucket.com/albums/u635/Remington760-308/101_6703.jpg)(https://i1325.photobucket.com/albums/u635/Remington760-308/101_6706.jpg)this last picture is looking down towards the road from the very back of where the camp will be.
Quote from: Remington760-308 on November 07, 2012, 10:34:29 PM
(https://i1325.photobucket.com/albums/u635/Remington760-308/101_6701.jpg)Looking up the driveway. (https://i1325.photobucket.com/albums/u635/Remington760-308/101_6703.jpg)(https://i1325.photobucket.com/albums/u635/Remington760-308/101_6706.jpg)this last picture is looking down towards the road from the very back of where the camp will be.
sorry for the pics right now really hard to tell where everythings going until we start the excavator-up
https://s1325.beta.photobucket.com/user/Remington760-308/media/1352753483847.jpg.html This is all I have for a tractor John Deere 955. It works but I gotta b careful a little light on the rearend when i get a big log.https://s1325.beta.photobucket.com/user/Remington760-308/media/1352753483847.jpg.html
Still don't have it down pat but you are close. Just go to the picture and see the "IMG code" in the list. Go to the right and right click on the description. It will say "copied". Go to where you want the photograph and paste it to that location.
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(https://i1325.photobucket.com/albums/u635/Remington760-308/2012-11-12155130.jpg) This is a 18' White pine log. I hauled out a 21' but couldn't pick it up with the bucket. So i had to chain it and drag it. I think i have at least half my logs for my 20x24 cabin. (http://[img]https://i1325.photobucket.com/albums/u635/Remington760-308/1352753502226.jpg)[/img]
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I just can't seem to get the pic to paste correctly WTF!!!Sorry very frustrating gonna try again then I am done.(http://[img]https://i1325.photobucket.com/albums/u635/Remington760-308/1352753502226.jpg)[/img]
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Got it posted now its upside down but it is actually right side up in my photobucket >:(
You can go back into the individual post that the pictures did not transfer right and repost the pictures. Just go to the post that are not right and click "modify" (upper right of post screen next to remove) That will give you the original posting screen. Delete the error picture and replace it. Just like you originally did and it should come out correctly. Since you have several you might want to just delete all the post with the picture error and do one post with all the pictures in it. Just leave a line break in between the pictures so they do not appear to run together.
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That's a little better 8). I am clearing for a new driveway at my home(residence) so I am using the trees for my log cabin - I should have enough. I have been saving out the spruce for my beams. They are a little stronger with no knots.
Remington.... there should be a "modify" link in the upper right area, above any message you post. You can use that to edit your work. It appears you have too many / incorrect image tags in those that did not work out. The line of code from photobucket should have one (http://tag%20before%20their%20link%20and%20one) tag after it.
(https://i1325.photobucket.com/albums/u635/Remington760-308/11-15-2012Jarretts1286.jpg)My son shoots his first buck! 128.6 lbs at 90+ yards. One proud PaPa. I would like to say Thank You to all the land owners out there that give hunters permission to hunt their land. If it wern't for them MEMORIES like these wouldn't happen. THANK YOU
That is one that he will never forget. :)
That one is bigger than my first buck. Way to go!!! :D
Composting toilet or bite the bullet and put in septic system - Toilet used $800 or new $1800 or septic permit $300 and material $2000? The latter i can plumb in shower and all faucets?
Quote from: Remington760-308 on November 18, 2012, 11:04:57 AM
Composting toilet or bite the bullet and put in septic system - Toilet used $800 or new $1800 or septic permit $300 and material $2000? The latter i can plumb in shower and all faucets?
IMO the septic would be a better choice. A couple of reasons come to mind. Future use of the cabin other than what it was originally intended. Later expansion and demand. Resale value. Cold weather does not affect the septic as it does with some composting units.
As an owner of a composting toilet, located in a cold winter climate and in a building that is unheated when vacant (sporadic use December thru spring time), septic wins hands down unless there is a compelling reason to not have a septic system.
Another pro-septic consideration would be to get grandfathered in with a cheaper, basic gravity septic. The trend is toward more expensive and complicated system requirements going forward.
In the back ground of the buck is a rifle that looks like a remington model 760. Is it the 308 that is your handle?
I have one that is a good fast rifle with a red dot scope on it.
;)Yup gotta love the fastest- lightest -nimblest-well balanced 760- in 308 carbine. I have 1 thats a 760 carbine in 30-06, with Leupod 1.5-7 with quick removable rings and peep, # 2 760 30-06 with ghost site with barrel cut down # 3 760 308 carbine Leupold 3-9x40 . I have one for every weather condition. I have shot quite a few deer with these. I use to use a 270 Weatherby Vanguard but follow up shots were hard too do. My sons gun is A Ruger M77 in 243 with tang safety. He is left handed. He's been shooting since he was 5. He has shot 3 deer in the last 3 years so far 2-does 148lbs each and this spike. He also turkey hunts. He has shot 4 turkey 1st one 18.6lbs 2nd one 18.2 lbs 3rd one 13.5lbs and the one he shot this year 22.2 lbs 10.5" beard 1" spurs- he's having that one mounted. He a damn good shot too!!!!!!!!! Very Proud of him and his hunting ability's [cool]
alright lets get back to building . I logged some more today. I am almost done. ;D I have like another 15 trees too cut. The guy with the portable sawmill is biting at the bit to start. But I haven't shot my deer yet :o My brother saw a nice buck in my dads field next door last night. atleast an 8 he said. Gonna post pics soon where i have cut the logs from. Now the dreaded peeling of the d-logs will start. I saw a log peeler disc that goes on an electric grinder - just wondering if anybody has tried it? it's 400 bucks worth it or not?
Quote from: Remington760-308 on November 20, 2012, 08:37:31 PM
alright lets get back to building . I logged some more today. I am almost done. ;D I have like another 15 trees too cut. The guy with the portable sawmill is biting at the bit to start. But I haven't shot my deer yet :o My brother saw a nice buck in my dads field next door last night. atleast an 8 he said. Gonna post pics soon where i have cut the logs from. Now the dreaded peeling of the d-logs will start. I saw a log peeler disc that goes on an electric grinder - just wondering if anybody has tried it? it's 400 bucks worth it or not?
I would say that you are out of the window (time of year) for the bark to come off easily. Normally when the sap is up is the best time. I used a draw knife for the majority of my work. Larger logs can be done as well but maybe a combination of different tools. Might start with a mattock, axe to loosen one end. Then use a barnyard scrapper. I have even used a square pointed shovel. Keep the draw knife handy as there will be small portions that continue to be stubborn.
Anyone used an electric hand planer to debark a pine tree? I see they sell the curved ones for 450 bucks but what about a cheap one-two blade planer???????
Quote from: Remington760-308 on November 25, 2012, 05:30:04 PM
Anyone used an electric hand planer to debark a pine tree? I see they sell the curved ones for 450 bucks but what about a cheap one-two blade planer???????
Never seen one used that way. I think I would try to old way and just see how it goes. Might not be as bad as you think.
Too irregular for a power planer even with the front shoe completely removed. Planers hate green wood as well. Drawknife, spud or slick, felling or broad axe and lots of elbow grease. If you are buddies with a stationary mill they might toss them in the debarker for you but that takes some of the character away and requires drawknifing to clean up the damage. You would do well to have a power planer to run down the center bottom of the logs when stacking, they will dry with convex faces, plowing a relief on the bottom will allow them to stack on the outer edges rather than teetering on rounded faces. I have the chainsaw disc for the grinder that does a good job for carving, knots and fitup, only use it on a grinder with a paddle switch. My wife dropped it in a workbasket while up in the air one time with a on off switch grinder, it chased her all over the place.
I see you mentioned a chainsaw disc. Or did you mean the aluminum log peeler disc with the three planer blades. I was wondering how these worked and are they worth the 475.00
I think this is what he was talking about.
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Yup, that's the one I have John. I don't use it to debark. We use it on areas that a drawknife doesn't work well like around knots. We also use it to quickly skim wood out of the way when starting to tune up a joint. All depending, I'll often finish up that kind of work with a 40 grit grinder sanding disc. There's also a planer head that bolts to a chainsaw, it is really just a power planer cutterhead with no shoes front or rear. It's better than a power planer, I tried one and didn't feel a need.
http://www.loghomestore.com/c163-log-wizard-log-master.php?gclid=CNnGtq-d7rMCFSpnOgodHAwA2w
I think debarking will go faster the old way. If you're not used to a drawknife, avoid banging into knots real hard, you were born with one set of wrists and forearms and the knots will win by the end of the day. That's where I use the grinder or planer or lightly sweep the chainsaw to hog off protruding knots first. Crossing them at a shear angle with the kife to clean up helps.
I might be preaching to the chior but here's a few tricks I've learned along the way.
It sounds like you are sawing 3 sides to make a D log and peeling the 4th side. The major drying check tends to follow the shortest path from heart to edge... whichever face is closest to the heart tends to be the face with the biggest check when things are done drying. When the logs are fresh off the mill, before they begin to dry and develop any stress from that. you can run a skillsaw down the middle the length of the bottom face to encourage the biggest check to happen there. Stay under 1/4 thickness with the rip, as the wood dries this gives a stress relief sort of like scoring a concrete slab and the worst check is then hopefully facing down and covered. Dry on 2" thick stickers as long as possible and run the power planer down the center bottom while you are stacking to help them bed. Foam tape fits in that planed relief well without holding you up or being crushed.
When you stack the logs, smooth and plumb on the inside, look at the natural edge on the outside. You want drip edges rather than water catching ledges. I'll scribe those underhangs, remove the new log, drawknife the offending ledge off the lower log until it is behind the edge of the log above. Think like a raindrop all the time.
edit, found an old pic that shows the same concept on a double D log. 1st is a fresh sawn flat log, 2nd is the major check forming where the heart is closest to an edge and the convex faces of a dried timber. Third pic is the power planed relief that allows the logs to fit tight along the outer edges.
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Also came across this debarking article from the website above;
http://www.loghomestore.com/article.php?article=9
Quote from: Don_P on November 25, 2012, 06:16:00 PM
Too irregular for a power planer even with the front shoe completely removed. Planers hate green wood as well. Drawknife, spud or slick, felling or broad axe and lots of elbow grease. If you are buddies with a stationary mill they might toss them in the debarker for you but that takes some of the character away and requires drawknifing to clean up the damage. You would do well to have a power planer to run down the center bottom of the logs when stacking, they will dry with convex faces, plowing a relief on the bottom will allow them to stack on the outer edges rather than teetering on rounded faces. I have the chainsaw disc for the grinder that does a good job for carving, knots and fitup, only use it on a grinder with a paddle switch. My wife dropped it in a workbasket while up in the air one time with a on off switch grinder, it chased her all over the place.
I peeled (with help) 80, sixty foot EWP for my house with a spud. Not the worst job ever. You will have the grip strength of a weight lifter when you are finished, but your shoulders and wrists should still be intact. If you are cutting now, wait until late spring to peel.
;D Started sawing my timber into d-logs today ;D We got 21-22logs sawed. Considering it was 12 degrees I was sweating all day. The kids and wife came out to help a few times. They built a fire to keep warm. Only pinched one finger today. I think I broke it - it is all black and swollen. Gonna continue Monday morning - should get in 7-8 hours of sawing in. (http://[img]https://i1325.photobucket.com/albums/u635/Remington760-308/101_6754.jpg)[/img][/img](https://i1325.photobucket.com/albums/u635/Remington760-308/101_6758.jpg)[/img](http://[img]https://i1325.photobucket.com/albums/u635/Remington760-308/101_6761.jpg)[/img]
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martinbus@kingcon.com is doing the sawing. SO FAR SO GOOD> he is located in Sheffield ,VT 1-802-626-3480
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Sawed some more logs . Good thing I didn't buy a sawmill my self. The Woodmizer that he uses is all hydraulic. WHEW!!! We where sawing the logs 6x6 - now we are sawing them 6 high but 7 1/5 deep. Now we have some really nice logs that will sit on top of each other with no concern of stability. We have been sawing for 3 days and now 2/3 done. (https://i1325.photobucket.com/albums/u635/Remington760-308/2012-12-05131802.jpg)(https://i1325.photobucket.com/albums/u635/Remington760-308/2012-12-05131822.jpg)(https://i1325.photobucket.com/albums/u635/Remington760-308/2012-12-05131841.jpg)Also glad I have a tractor to move the logs around and too remove the logs and beams when done to make room for more!!!(https://i1325.photobucket.com/albums/u635/Remington760-308/2012-12-05131904.jpg)
;DStarted preassembling the framing so I don't have too do it all next spring at the cabin site. (https://i1325.photobucket.com/albums/u635/Remington760-308/1354742383316.jpg) Hand hewing the beams isn't too bad. I have my 11 year old son go get 2 logs and by the time he gets back I have Draw knifed 2 logs and put an edge on the inside flats too make it look tongue and groove. We did 12 logs in a couple of hours. WOULDN"T WANT TO DO IT FOR A LIVING (https://i1325.photobucket.com/albums/u635/Remington760-308/1354729518112.jpg)
Holy cow... this is going to be fun to watch. Looks great so far!
The biggest difference from log construction and framing is planning, planning, and more planning. You don't get a second chance to run wires and the like with recepticles and switches. Although chink logs are a little more forgiving. Take your time to figure these out and it will cause you less headache's. It will be interesting to see how you progress. If I can help in any way ( non labor mind you) ;) just ask.
I have tried doing the planning -planning - planning. Now it's time to do it. I have sketched out the log diagram - wiring and the window lay out. Even figured out the rough lengths of the logs in between the windows and doors. Oh probably forgot something. Plumbing I will do last and I will hang it all on the wall over head so I can drain it .
The several log cabin build reports I have followed built solid walls and cut out the windows and doors after the walls were done.
Just saying!!?
Very rarely have I passed a log through an opening, normally I have the window and door bucks in place as I build the walls and align the inside of D logs to their frames, cutting the logs to fit as the wall is built. The bucks are braced square and plumb to the floor, we also run plumb story poles in the corners.
Gonna frame up window openings and butt up to them with logs. seems to me the easiest. cement blocks for piers 2'x2' and 2'x4' stacked on top of each other. it's the cheapest and gives me more beam support. less time too. Peeled 11-12 logs and they where frozen and they peeled real easy I thought. About 5-7 minutes a piece. Also going septic. Bought 2 1000 gallon poly septic tanks for 200 bucks. Just my luck they changed the law this year from 1000 gallon holding tank too 1250. Oh well won't have to pump it in my life time I guess. Was thinking about insulating floor but from what i read since it is just a deer camp the floor probably will never warm up any way so why waste money on it. If I have time and money later I might just insulate it!!!!!! I have half the main floor framing all cut and pinned together. Can't do any work on the land because the hill going up to it is steep and it snowed. No way of getting escavator up in now. Plus the local gravel pit is closed for the season. Spent all week sawing up logs - 1 more day and I think i will be done for this bunch . i might have to have a little bit more done in the spring. post pictures soon of flooring.
Nice project! I did something vaguely similar, but my logs came from white pines about 5 miles from my property. More info here... http://countryplans.com/smf/index.php?topic=8030.0 (http://countryplans.com/smf/index.php?topic=8030.0)
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My windows and doors were framed by 8"x8" posts connected to my logs with 3"x3/4" plywood splines.
Glad my days of peeling bark are done, but it wasn't a major part of the time spent on the project.
Keep those posts coming! [cool]
I looked at your post . It looks great. I like how you took the time to mortise and tenon . I also love the big covered deck on the back. What did you treat the pine with??? do you have termites in your area? My camp is in the Northeast so no termites up here. Just black ants ,porcupine and mice. Thats part of the reason We are building with logs- no insulation for mice. Should last my life time and my kids too. How do you like the composting toilet???
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I looked at your post . It looks great. I like how you took the time to mortise and tenon . I also love the big covered deck on the back. What did you treat the pine with??? do you have termites in your area? My camp is in the Northeast so no termites up here. Just black ants ,porcupine and mice. That's part of the reason We are building with logs- no insulation for mice. Should last my life time and my kids too. How do you like the composting toilet???
Thanks for the comments. Not many log builders here.
The pine was treated with borax (Timbor) and then Defy Epoxy Fortified wood finish, both from the Log Home Store in Oregon http://www.loghomestore.com/index.php (http://www.loghomestore.com/index.php)
Right now I'm not too pleased with how the Defy exterior finish is holding up. Needs to be redone next year. Like others have said, paint or opaque stain might be a better way to go.
Foundation wood is all pressure-treated. We have both termites and carpenter ants, but our first attacks were by carpenter bees (Xylocopidae). Carpenter bees bore into untreated wood and hollow out chambers to lay eggs in. Not fast damage, but not critters you want living in your walls either. At least my forest entomology training paid off... ;D Paint and wire screening solved our problem, and they are only active and a problem in the spring. Also had a few invasions by tiny black ants that wanted to nest somewhere near the top of one of our walls. Used ant spray over a period of 6 weeks or so to finally discourage them. They were quite persistent. Our logs were attacked by ambrosia beetles while drying, and we had the normal assortment of both flat-head and round-headed beetles laying eggs under the bark before we peeled all the logs. The beetles caused some minor damage in some logs, but only had a few emerge out of the logs once the walls were finished. Somewhere in the pictures you can see carpenter ant damage caused by them nesting in our logs that were stacked for drying. I know from experience that you want to keep the carpenter ants from building their home in your walls as they can be very difficult to exterminate. As it was we just got a small bit of surface sculpturing from the ants before I un-stacked the logs and killed the ants. Here is a picture of the damage they did to one of my 8"x8" posts.
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A septic system would have required a well, and the cost for each would have been $20,000-$25,000 so the composting toilet for $1200 was a much better deal. It works OK unless we have 15 people over for a weekend. We had a family weekend that overloaded the system once, had problems with flys once (use diatamaceous earth to cure) but otherwise it has worked well. We have power at the cabin so it can use a heater in the winter months to keep things composting year round.
(https://i1325.photobucket.com/albums/u635/Remington760-308/101_6769_zps8d0370dd.jpg)Here is a picture of it - 2-3 rows high. Peeled 8-10 logs and stacked them. I am prefitting it on my lawn . Then I am going to take it apart and trailer it to the place where it will last me and my kids a lifetime - I HOPE> The deck is in 4 pieces.
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Haven't posted in awhile...... won't do much until spring rolls around... tried but everything is covered in ice even though i covered it with plastic ...... i have built window frames ---- all 9 of them -- also built a couple of jigs to router electrical boxes and for the window framing ---- bought a 2.25 hp router with 1/2" collet so i can run a large 3/4" x 1 1/2" bit for electrical wires in the logs.... and tongue and groove router bit for my flooring...... 1 question open for comments I was thinking a burn't red roof anybody done this and are you stilll happy with your decision if so any pictures would like to see a couple.... was thinking brown or green but everybody has that.... I just think it woould look nice with red with red trim..... GIVE ME YOUR OPINION THANKS 8)
sorry but no pics but I think of all the cabins I have seen nestled away - that red metal is the cats meow on them !!!
A good friend is starting their place (log) up on MN - Canadian border and besides logs getting peeled the only other thing decided on his that nice deep red metal hat!
Driving over the holidays, I noticed an abrupt transition at the Western North Carolina/Eastern Tennessee border, from green to red roofs - almost like the color was state regulated. :) Gotta say those red roofs are nice looking - it would be my choice.
::)Very cold -22 degrees... haven't worked on peeling logs for awhile.....Spring is coming...... Getting excited.... Just sent in building permit.Driveway permit is already done... next big step is for septic design.... friend is going to design one for me since that is what he does for a living.... Built frames for windows with slip joints in the garage last week... now i have to build door frame-s..... Backdoor or No backdoor???
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::)Very cold -22 degrees... haven't worked on peeling logs for awhile.....Spring is coming...... Getting excited.... Just sent in building permit.Driveway permit is already done... next big step is for septic design.... friend is going to design one for me since that is what he does for a living.... Built frames for windows with slip joints in the garage last week... now i have to build door frame-s..... Backdoor or No backdoor???
Egress is important. I would never build a house with only one entry point. Not sure what your design is but if it opens to a mud room or a room other than a living room it would be a good place to take your boots off. And if the wife gets after you , you have " an avenue of escape". ;)
Cool project Remington. You're about 65 due west of my AO.
You're getting some work done with your tractor! I'm doing my research on utility tractors and am thinking one like yours maybe a bit bigger will be good for me and my homestead.
I bought this tractor from my dad. He bought it to help with building his house. He then sold it to me to buy a bigger one (4310) with just bucket loader no hoe. My tractor has 33 hp and backhoe. His is 31hp and very slow..He wishes he kept this one... I love it It is just the right size for me .. I dont think I could live without it anymore. I have done a lot of clearing and digging and brush hogging with it the past few years. I have owned it for 9 years with just routine maintenance and a set of front tire.. I know it is going to come in handi up to camp the first few years. clearing brush for food plots- digging for piers- raising logs on camp etc. I hauled out all my trees for my log cabin with it. I made some 1 1/2x3" x 32"long forks for it. They have come in handy moving 12-19' logs around.... saves my back 8) I wouldn't go any smaller because I can run most attachments on it...5' brush hog-5'rototiller-backhoe-6'york rake '
I see that most log cabin kits only have a front door of this size. I am planning on building a log cabin generator/wood shed attached out the back so I dont have to go all the way around to start generator or get wood for stove in the mornings...
Cut ridge pole support post the other day. -8 in the morning today - but by 12:30 it was in the teens. 20' long as straight as I could find.. I draw knifed it.... One side was very easy but the other must have been still frozen... (https://i1325.photobucket.com/albums/u635/Remington760-308/2013-02-10130720_zps7d54a431.jpg)(https://i1325.photobucket.com/albums/u635/Remington760-308/2013-02-10130752_zps28a83258.jpg)(https://i1325.photobucket.com/albums/u635/Remington760-308/2013-02-10160631_zps2d22fd3b.jpg)
Makes my back start hurthing again just watching you. Ah but youth has no pain. ;) No lifting is required. Not saying it is better but I found that sitting on the log moving from one end to the other worked better for me. Secret is to always keep bark under your bottom. Peel from one end to the other as far as you can get around the circumference . Roll the log to expose more bark and do it again.
I tried sitting on the log but i couldn't peel very good- was too bent over..... I peeled half the log in sections then flipped it to get the other half..How old do you think I am???????? ;D good thing I have only the one log to peel the whole thing. I have peeled about 45-50 of my d-logs. I am having Martin's Sawmill come back and cut 1 more bunch(25) logs for a few more good long d-logs and some floor planks.. I started my outhouse. NO PIC YET> The deck is 8' x 8' and 2'6" of it on one end is a deck . I boought some cull PT limber from lowes for $45 and it was enough for my floor framing.......The actual cost was over $125.00 I am going to put a vinyl floor down and build my walls on top of it. Slope roof to the back and collect the rain water to flush toilet.... EVERY CAMP HAS GOT TO HAVE AN OUTHOUSE!!!!!!!
Worked on outhouse framing today...can't seem to find any material that isn't covered in ICE ....... floor done - walls framed -- door way framed now to wait until thing start thawing again to find 1 by material to board and batten walls
Info on water pressure and supply. I am looking at putting a gravity fed water line in and it will drop from a spring to camp about 40-50 feet..
What psi should I expect? Also any benefit to start with 1" then go to 3/4" any more pressure .... or just go 1" all the way.. I am trying to get enough to supply a hot water on demand water heater - there is going to be 2 sinks a shower and a toilet in camp... and maybe an outside faucet for rinsing deer...
.43 psi per foot of height. ( 10 foot head = 4.3 psi, 100 foot head = 43 psi
pressure is one thing - flow is another- the larger the tube the higher the flow for the system
I usually leave my deer dirty, we tried to keep them clean every time we try and wash one they run off and roll in the muck ::)
Static pressure is easy to calculate, as UK4x4 just showed you. However, that is not the pressure you will get when you start using the water.
Not only is your situation almost exactly like what I am envisioning at my property (water from an uphill spring), but this is actually up my day-job alley. I've mentioned elsewhere I am not a structural engineer, so I've got a lot to learn in that area as I plan my cabin, but as a chemical engineer by training, well it's been said we are just underpaid plumbers. :)
The static pressure that UK4x4 is what will be measured when there is no flow. But as soon as there is flow, there is a pressure drop that results from the friction between the water and the pipe. This pressure drop would negate some of that static head.
To figure out the pressure drop, you have to estimate what your desired flow rate would be. Here is a good reference (http://homerepair.about.com/od/plumbingrepair/ss/tankless_hwh_7.htm) as to what you would expect in an ideal situation. Let's use 2.2 gal/min.
The first thing you need to do is calculate the Reynolds number, which is (D)(V)(ρ)/(µ) where D is the pipe diameter, V is the linear flow rate, rho is the density of water, and mu is the viscosity.
For a 1-inch pipe at 2.2 gal/min, V is (2.2 gal/min)*(1 ft3/7.48 gal)*(1/( π*1/24*1/24)ft2)=53.9 ft/min
For water, density is about 62.4 lbm/ft3 and viscosity is about 2E-05 lbf-sec/ft2
So your Reynolds number would be
{(1/12 ft)*(53.9 ft/min)*(1 min/60 sec)*(62.4 lbm/ft3)}/{(2E-05 lbf-sec/ft2)*(32.17 lbm-ft/sec2-lbf)}
Where 32.17 lbm-ft/sec2-lbf is the conversion between pounds of force and pounds of mass.
So the Reynolds number is 7,260, which means you have turbulent flow.
Then you use this graph (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Moody_diagram.jpg) to calculate the friction factor for that Reynolds number (this is for the Darcy friction factor; there is also the fanning friction factor which is 1/4 the Darcy friction factor, just to be confusing). Assuming a pipe roughness of (relative to diameter) of about 0.0005 (that's the ratio of the size of the friction-causing bumps to the overall pipe diameter), it looks like the friction factor would be about 0.033. At such a low Reynolds number, the roughness is not much of a factor.
Then according to the Darcy–Weisbach equation:
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/math/d/5/0/d507bcd5f5091fb94dabf55d828f59a3.png)
We calculate the pressure drop (head loss)
ΔP/L = {(0.033)*(62.4 lbm/ft2)*(53.9 ft/min)^2}/{2*(1/12 ft)*(32.17 lbm-ft/sec2-lbf)*(60 sec/min)^2}
= 0.31 lbf/ft3 or 0.00215 psi/ft
You say you have about 50 feet drop to camp. I am assuming that is vertical. If your slope is 20%, that means you have a 250 run of pipe. So your pressure drop over that run would be 0.54 psi. That is compared to your static head of 21.5 psi with no flow, so you lose about 3% of the pressure.
You can see the Darcy-Weisbach equation indicates pressure drop increases with the square of the flow rate, so pressure drops will increase rapidly with faster flow rates (although remember, the Reynolds number and hence friction factor also changes, so you can't say it is just proportional to the square of the water usage - higher flow means more turbulence means lower friction factor).
Increasing the pipe diameter helps reduce the pressure drop, but you see if only varies with 1/D, i.e. inversely proportional (and the Reynolds number increases as well).
The civil/structural engineers have a bumper sticker that says "Engineers know the right moment". Well, I don't know hardly anything about moments, but I do know my Reynolds numbers!
So you are saying I should have 21.5 lbs pressure? If so that should work for what i am doing...
Until you turn the tap on, then it goes down. At a minimum, it will go down a half psi as I calculated, but if more than one person is using the water at a time or if you don't have low flow taps, it will go down quite a bit more drops roughly with the square of the flow rate).
I've been thinking on how to do this for my cabin. Like I said, I have a similar situation as you:
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No contour lines on that map, but I have at least 50 feet of elevation gain up to the spring, but a longer run to the cabin.
One way that might work is to have the pipe feed into a pressure tank in the cabin. When you start to withdraw water from the pressure tank, the pressure tank will maintain the pressure (so long as it is rated for greater than what the hydrostatic head is without flow). So long as you don't use more than what is in the tank (or more than the usable volume before it can't maintain the pressure any more), then you get the full pressure during your use. When you shut it off, it will slowly refill as it re-equilibrates with the static head.
Not sure if that would work or not. I have municipal water at home so I am not familiar with using/setting up a pressure tank.
thanks for those line loss explanations... I think :D. Wow, as with most things, lots more to it than I ever imagined.
Your picture is almost the same except my brook is on the other side.. but your lay out is about the same - I have a pressure pump that sucks water them pumps it through the house a friend gave me... that would work but I dont want to rely on electricity.... I am hoping that I have enough pressure with just gravity,,,,,,,, 8)
Here's another version of the site map, with 5-ft (unlabeled) contours. The spring is a tributary to the creek, just inside my back property line.
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I count about 10 countours down to my cabin site so that would be ~21 psi. But the run will be about 400 to 450 ft so more pressure drop while flowing.
Was thinking about the pressure tank some more on the bus ride home from work today. To avoid the loss of pressure while the water is flowing, I think it would work to set up a pressure tank where the pressure (when the tank is "full") is set just a hair (say 0.5 psi) below the natural static pressure. That way, when you took a shower or whatever, you'd have most of the tank to use at full (minus a "hair") pressure, though it would drop as you used water from the tank - but not right away as it would without the tank. When you stopped using it, the water would flow at its own pace from the spring down to refill the pressure tank (I plan on having a tank next to the spring for uphill storage. Continually overflowing so it would be fresh).
The other option, without AC electricity, is to use a 12V RV pump like the shur-flos mentioned on this forum to boost the pressure. The problem with that is that it may suck too well - faster than the water can flow down the pipe (remember, you can never suction more than 14.7 psi - that is one full atmosphere of pressure). With too much suction, you actually cause the water to "boil" at room temperature and/or cause dissolved air to come out of solution. This is called cavitation. The presence of water and air vapor interspersed with the water acts like solid particles in the water and erodes the pump mechanism, destroying the pump. So that isn't good either. It is always better to have the pump pushing rather than pulling.
If he adds a barrel or storage container at the lower level
he can use a sureflow on a closed loop with a pressure switch
with water circulating arround the system on demand but returns to the tank if unused
Pressures are regulated up to the pumps max flow rate
there are many ways to skin this cat !
Peeled a few more logs this weekend.... I have the ones with the really thick bark..but they don't have knots.... they look great when they are done... the ones with the greenish bark peel real easy.... takes me 8-10 minutes to peel each one... I usually peel 5-6 every time i peel and thats enough for my tennis elbow.....I bet I half 1/2 the logs peeled.... Building permit done- driveway permit done- waiting on ok for septic tank install....
The ones with juvenile bark generally also have no heartwood, it's still a juvenile tree. For most purposes it doesn't matter much but the bugs do prefer that wood, more starch/sugar and it isn't as strong, a lower microfibril angle. The tough stuff is generally the better stuff. But that's another country song about life in general :).
I have an extra draw knife if any body wants a turn :)
No takers on the draw knife... Pine pitch in the eye really stings and sticky Forgot my glasses.... Bet I won't next time..
Not a tool people rush for :)
When I saw pine there is a sticky spray throughout the air. If I forget to wear a hat it's a bad hair day. Those resin ducts, the epithelium, are the last cells to die. Under the right conditions they can still be producing resin 6 months after felling.
Quote from: Remington760-308 on March 06, 2013, 05:21:34 PM
No takers on the draw knife... Pine pitch in the eye really stings and sticky Forgot my glasses.... Bet I won't next time..
Sorry I missed the invitation. ;) But as they say "been there and done that". Keep a can of WD40 around. Good to clean up the draw knife and handles. Don't think I would try it on the eyes but for everything else it does a good job with pine sap. ;D
Quote from: Remington760-308 on March 06, 2013, 05:21:34 PM
No takers on the draw knife... Pine pitch in the eye really stings and sticky Forgot my glasses.... Bet I won't next time..
Sorry I missed that as well. Shoot and we were on a road trip as well. We could have dropped in......
Bought another wood stove yesterday. First one I don't think was going to be big enough"GO BIG OR GO HOME" I say.. First one was an Avalon 996- takes 16" wood and is universal- free standing or as a fireplace insert..rated for up to 1500 sq.ft. The second stove is an Avalon 1196- which takes 22" wood rated for 2200 sq.ft. Needed paint and a few bricks- and a cleaning. It weighs 520LBS. had to use a John Deere tractor to get it into my truck.... (https://i1325.photobucket.com/albums/u635/Remington760-308/1362941468607_zpscb73a8d2.jpg)
(https://i1325.photobucket.com/albums/u635/Remington760-308/2013-03-14113825_zpsf258f38c.jpg) I made a template to cut my electrical box holes.. I then took a 1" spade bit and drilled out the back of the hole so box would fit .. I then took a 50" 3/4" drill bit and drilled all the way down through logs and flooring.
That will work. Are you going to create a wire chase from one box location to the other or just bring each up from the bottom? The switches will require a little more effort. Try to find a "ship auger" as it makes it much easier.
(https://i1325.photobucket.com/albums/u635/Remington760-308/2013-03-14113906_zpsd1058709.jpg) I only put a few boxes in so far they are on the out side walls of course. I will be adding some on the inside walls later. Also I am going to be pulling wires up from underneath. Switch boxes and boxes in bathroom/kitchen counter will be more fun d* I also started installing window framing. (https://i1325.photobucket.com/albums/u635/Remington760-308/2013-03-14113851_zpsb138a072.jpg)(https://i1325.photobucket.com/albums/u635/Remington760-308/1363275459304_zps63604213.jpg) Oh by the way here is a JIG I made for the window/door so router out for slip joint so when logs shrink they won't tear my framing apart.(https://i1325.photobucket.com/albums/u635/Remington760-308/1363275492013_zpsd77395ee.jpg)
We used a piece of 5/8" allthread to clean/ram the chips out and kind of rasp the fuzzies out of the holes. I like the nail eater ship's augers. I have one that a machinist attached to a long 1/2" rod by turning a sleeve, slipping the rod and bit into and then wire welded. I finally cut it down to about 4'. its usually for oopses, we normally drill as we go course by course. Always keep the holes covered and clear of chips. Rain in a chip filled hole makes the densest mess you can imagine. When the boxes are in and drilled I'd take band strapping and cut a V point on one end then cut the tip off to a blunt point. I'd fish these from the box to the destination, confirming the hole and giving the electrician a ready made fish, tape to it and pull. If you can get plastic banding it won't stain the logs. Check for box fill with the wiring, I generally installed deep boxes to give the sparky options.
:D I am installing deep boxes.... I am the electrician - so i am trying to make it as easy as possible. I have to dismantle the logs and transport them to the land I bought for my camp. I am using old construction clamp on plastic boxes. The boxes have tabs on them so I can put screws in them. I also don't like metal boxes. When I reassemble the logs I am going to re-drill the hole and snake wire through at the same time. I found a flexible drill /snake at LOWES for 60 bucks that is around 60" long and you could add extensions if necessary. But I plan on drilling as I go for my lights, I am planning on 2 outside lights - 1 ceiling light for living room 1 ceiling light for kitchen.....
Does anyone ever feel like they should have built bigger half way through build? I am building 20x24 and it seems that I should have built 24x30 at least..... AND IT IS ONLY A DEER CAMP! I have all 1st floor window frames in and 9 rows of logs fitted... I am so glad I am not going to be fitting them up on the property with generator running/time wasting. I work 4-5 hours fitting logs and only get 2-3 rows done. I was getting excited about the weather until I see we have a winter storm coming in tomorrow - dumping up to 16" of white stuff........ I keep checking for square and can't believe it -it's right on the money. 8) I will be posting pics this weekend .... I added a back door which through of my plans in the bedroom for wall space.
>:( 11" of snow yesterday.... took leaf blower and cleaned off the top of the walls so they wouldn't ice up... I measured up whta I need for logs appr.900 linear ft. I have 400 peeled. I guessed that I would need 1850 ln.ft. so I must be half way ;D now it's time to fabricate some kind of fork extensions to lift logs up to 10' in the air.. I was thinking 2 4x4x12' that slide over my forks with a ratchet strap to the bucket to hand a set of log tongs from.
Just got done fab. lift for tractor.(https://i1325.photobucket.com/albums/u635/Remington760-308/1363880216497_zpse036acb2.jpg) Here are some pictures of what I have got done.. Lots of cutting(https://i1325.photobucket.com/albums/u635/Remington760-308/2013-03-21113719_zpsa4c58ce2.jpg)looking through the front door. on the left is back door in master bedroom / on the right is the bathroom shower in the corner.(https://i1325.photobucket.com/albums/u635/Remington760-308/2013-03-21113746_zps4aa00769.jpg)looking in over the bathroom wall to the front of the cabin. Living room on the right kitchen to the left and dining if room enough(https://i1325.photobucket.com/albums/u635/Remington760-308/2013-03-21113802_zps1f8bc91f.jpg)
Looking very nice !
Thank you! I wish it would stop snowing! I have put up 10 rows so far... I have another 10 to go then tear it all down and mark them for reassembly. I am going to build ends on the platform after that. I measured up my logs yesterday and I am pretty close with what I have .. Gotta start peeling some more smaller ones to fill in between the windows- saving long ones for above windows.
I worked on the camp today. It was a beautiful day. Around 40 degrees. I got alot done I think. I have the walls to the top of the windows. Tomorrow I have to work in the morning. Then be home around 10:00. I hope to get 2 rows above windows done so I can tear it down and stack it for shipping to lot. I am going to leave just 2 rows and build on top of them so I don't have to work off planks and ladders. I am going to build loft and end walls. I did a video on how to take 6x8 log and router the edges - mortise out for windows - and using the Prazzi chain saw-skil saw attachment.
:)I finally got to the top of the windows..... d* One more row to cut then tear it all down. I had to put spacers in to clear the top of my doors. I have the doors off the floor by 1.5" so the water will run out off from the floor. Just called on all my permits just to be sure everything is fine. She said septic is all set- drive way permit all set - building permit all set. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D...... Now I have to wait for Road Ban to come off so I can get my buddy's excavator up there.... C YA headed to town - TACO TUESDAY......(https://i1325.photobucket.com/albums/u635/Remington760-308/2013-03-26162853_zps3028579f.jpg)(https://i1325.photobucket.com/albums/u635/Remington760-308/2013-03-26162836_zpsa96cdb9c.jpg)(https://i1325.photobucket.com/albums/u635/Remington760-308/1364329697162_zps37aae53b.jpg)(https://i1325.photobucket.com/albums/u635/Remington760-308/1364329760002_zps20829c3d.jpg) I checked for square I think I am looking pretty good only 1/2" off - can fix that on finally assembly I left 2.25" above doors and windows for shrinkage....
Any plumbers on here? I have a question about my plumbing. This is just a camp and will never be a residence. I have kitchen sink - shower- toilet and vanity do I NEED a vent since it is just a 1 story...
Vents keep the sinks, etc from gurgling for one thing. They also are necessary to be sure the suction of the outgoing water does not suck the traps dry. That's to prevent sewer/septic gasses from entering the building.
What will the waste pipes drain into?
I am putting in a POLY septic tank. I will have to have it pumped every so often. So can I just put a vent under the sink inside the camp?
A studor vent would work for a sink but I doubt that it would work for the volume of air needed to operate all of the drains including the toilet. I would try to find a location close to the majority of the drain lines and put in a 3" stack up a wall on the inside and then turn it out to the soffit area. You can disguise it by enclosing it in a verticle log ( hollowed out) to appear that it is part of the structural member.
That sounds like what I would call a cesspool, a pumped system, no field?
Is there not an interior wall the vent stack can run up?
Most people don't really understand what a vent does. Each fixture in a plumbing system has a water trap that keeps sewer gases from following the drains back into the house. In order to maintain that trap's water seal it cannot be allowed to be sucked dry. In an unvented system when someone flushed the toilet or ran a sink heavy, and that slug of water passed by another fixture and kept travelling down the drain, the suction created would pull the water out of any traps it passed by. By having vents on each drain the slug of water will pass by, the suction is broken by the admission of free air behind that passing slug of water. It's a piston of water pulling a vaccum as it falls. The vent is the vaccum breaker.
Gurgling and slow drains are a symptom of a venting problem. We had one venting job that was so bad that when you flushed the toilet in the master bath, as that slug of water passed the half bath, it flushed that toilet automatically on its way by. The suction was powerful enough to pull the water out of that bowl and trip a flush cycle. That trap resealed after the flush but the shower and sink drains were sucked dry as well, that was my callback, but oh he had done me so much more wrong than just a smelly sink trap d*. They do make a 3" studor vent... but I wouldn't. A normal vent allows the tank to burp gas harmlessly and is always there, it is non mechanical. I have seen them blocked by ice or snow but not often. Auto vents are mechanical. Ever have a mechanical device fail... or ... ever had a mechanical device that didn't fail? A passing bug can prop the thing open. I use them if I have to, but it is a last resort, I know I'll get a call sometime down the road and will have to remember to check it.
I was planning on putting 1 trap in the ground right before tank with a vent there so I don't have to put antifreeze in the drains every time I leave during the winter, Also their is going to be a leech field so it's not a cesspool. I am just worried about the traps freezing under the camp ever when I was there during hunting season. SO just a single sewer pipe going from tank to toilet-sink-shower-sink. If I looked at all the plumbing diagrams right the vent pipe should go between tank and trap.
Ideally the vent should be placed at the toilet or at the last drain in a series of multiple lines into the main line. You want that vent to be as close to the appliance as possible. By having the vent at the tank you are defeating your purpose for the vent to keep the traps from being sucked dry or not working properly. In some cases if there is an appliance (sink) a good distance from the toilet or other appliances then an additional vent is installed.
If you are afraid of roof penetrations then you could vent it out of the side over the top plate to the soffit area. With a properly installed roof boot there is virtually no problem in the roof. But (experience talking) exit your vent as far up toward the ridge to avoid snow from bending it over when exiting the roof.
You will still have to treat the toilet w/anti-freeze as the trap is internal and there is no way to empty it. Sink & toilet traps do not require that much anti-freeze.
The house would stink, those pipes are no rose and your end trap will be full of sewage at times, unlike the toilet which evacuates and has a trap full of fresh water each flush. That end trap and all the dirty pipe are in contact with the air and flies in the cabin if the rest of the fixtures are untrapped.
:)Made it too the top of the windows this weekend. Even though I was very sick wed-fri. I started numbering the pieces and removing them. Bundled them up in order. And all small pieces went onto a pallet. I hope by tues. i will have it all tore down and ready to start gable ends/loft. It comes down alot quicker than it went up. I hope it goes up quick when I get it delivered to our property. I already had someone offer to buy it (shell). He has a camp 14x18 with loft and they sleep 4-6. Talk about tight. I have to wait until May 1st for the road bans to come off to start the driveway and post/piers.
Tore down walls and put it all on pallets to move up North to the land. Doesn't look like alot now it's on pallets. (https://i1325.photobucket.com/albums/u635/Remington760-308/2013-04-04081056_zps3cea8eb3.jpg) I tore it down and left 1 row to start building again the top half. The next couple of pictures is the section for the loft floor. then 3 more full tiers then gable ends. (https://i1325.photobucket.com/albums/u635/Remington760-308/1365077478532_zps57d69f3c.jpg)(https://i1325.photobucket.com/albums/u635/Remington760-308/1365083761927_zps5a2417ac.jpg)
I showed pictures in the very beginning of working on the driveway. Wasted that time. I am gonna move the whole thing about a hundred yards. The view is alot better and where the camp is going is flatter with more useable room for septic and parking. DID I MENTION THE VIEW IS BETTER. Will need to cut and trim a little. What you are looking at is Vermont.(https://i1325.photobucket.com/albums/u635/Remington760-308/1365171069640_zps65d4b3db.jpg)(https://i1325.photobucket.com/albums/u635/Remington760-308/2013-04-05103434_zps10f14ed1.jpg)(https://i1325.photobucket.com/albums/u635/Remington760-308/2013-04-05102917_zpscfa9e2f1.jpg) It looks alot different with snow on it. We looked at the property in Oct.-Nov. Flushed 2 partridges and found Moose/deer tracks up there too.I don't have too buy any firewood for awhile. There is 2-3 cords that is blown down and semi dry already ;D ;D ;D
Be sure to do the vent correctly. Our cabin has the newer in wall vents with valves, which I had never heard of previously, the inspector explained them. We had one with a defective valve and I am sure that you can imagine just how bad it stunk. You certainly don't want to ever mess with that issue unless you are trying to keep guests away.
I plan on putting a vent pipe on the beginning of the drain line near the kitchen sink. I have been working on loft floor beam. Notching for floor joists. I originally was going to use 4x8x? now I am going to double up my main beam to 2) 4x8" beams. I am going to have just 1 post in the middle to support loft and roof ridge pole. Has anyone installed a RV refrigerator in a camp. How did it work out? Problems that I can see is venting? RV frigs need to have fresh air and they drain outside..
Mt Don's thread has info on how they used an RV type fridge and his cooling modifications. I've not had one with a drain, although it would have been a good idea plenty of times d*.
I'm not following your floor plans but those dimensions sound light, have you double checked that?
basically an 8x8 beam supporting the loft floor with post in the middle of span.. I have taken just the 4x8 and had it supported on the ends and I can't seem to get it to bow at all- so 2 - 4x8 bolted together will be just fine. there is going to be 2 rooms upstairs - pretty much all open(not much weight). The floor joists are 3x6 - 24"OC :)
I sold the first stove that I bought today :) Made enough to pay for that one plus the second one...... It's nice not having any $$$$$ into a stove.. Can spend $$ on something else like a refrigerator.... or on demand hot water heater.... I have about 15 more logs to peel... I think I will need 8-10 more logs to finish ...Martin's Sawmilling is sugaring right now. He will be here in a week or 2 to cut the final logs and a couple of more floor joists. Did I mention I am going with a full upstairs so I can have the room on the first floor. With the bedroom on the first floor it seemed very cramped not much room to drink soda pop ;D ;D ;D Had a custom map made by Topomap.com They put the name of our camp on it and the owners of the camp.. We named our camp The Beaver Lodge. The name came 2 ways. First the brook right next to us is Beaver Brook. 2nd last summer my friend knows a trapper and gut us some beaver meat too eat. Boy was it good. [cool] If you haven't tried it - you should. We cooked it just like a steak on the grill. Marinated it over night. AWESOME. The next thing we want to try is Woodchuck. From what I have heard is it takes like steak too.
https://www.facebook.com/pages/Martin-Sawmilling-Poultry-Processing/221144607974850?ref=stream If you need some trees cut into lumber give Dan a call. I am very pleased with the D-logs and All the lumber we got out of the trees. Price wasn't bad either :D We did learn that sawing lumber in the winter you would get better cuts on the d-logs. The blade didn't pull so much and we only broke 1 blade the entire week. This last batch took only a day and we broke 2 blades and used 2 others. :o I have enough logs now to finish camp and maybe an addition for the generator and tools.. (https://i1325.photobucket.com/albums/u635/Remington760-308/4-11-2013logcabin_zps135c4c2e.jpg) (https://s1325.photobucket.com/user/Remington760-308/media/4-11-2013logcabin_zps135c4c2e.jpg.html)This is what we sawed today. We are 2/3 through the pile [cool]. We took the last 2 logs and make thick shelving and wide planks for floor.(https://i1325.photobucket.com/albums/u635/Remington760-308/4-11-2013logcabin1_zps4da7175a.jpg) (https://s1325.photobucket.com/user/Remington760-308/media/4-11-2013logcabin1_zps4da7175a.jpg.html)Saved the biggest log to last again. WHEW!!!!! HOPE FULLY WE ARE DONE SAWING OUT LOGS>>>>(https://i1325.photobucket.com/albums/u635/Remington760-308/4-11-20133_zps9d021e79.jpg) (https://s1325.photobucket.com/user/Remington760-308/media/4-11-20133_zps9d021e79.jpg.html)
How to keep the plumbing from freezing when at deer camp during the cold (freezing)months? Any suggestions..
Do you want to keep water lines unfroze while the cabin is occupied or all winter? If you don't have power to heat trace lines, design the supply plumbing with low point drains and the ability to connect an air compressor to blow out the lines and valves. Slope your drain lines well and put RV antifreeze in the traps.
Worked on Outhouse today. I had a bunch of 1/2 thick siding for outhouse.(https://i1325.photobucket.com/albums/u635/Remington760-308/2013-04-14151629_zps85828d9d.jpg) (https://s1325.photobucket.com/user/Remington760-308/media/2013-04-14151629_zps85828d9d.jpg.html) I think it will blend into the surroundings very well.(https://i1325.photobucket.com/albums/u635/Remington760-308/2013-04-14151609_zpse265662f.jpg) (https://s1325.photobucket.com/user/Remington760-308/media/2013-04-14151609_zpse265662f.jpg.html) Here is one side stained before I install stained corner boards that will be red in color. I used Harley synthetic motor oil (used of course)...(https://i1325.photobucket.com/albums/u635/Remington760-308/2013-04-14155242_zps48ddcda9.jpg) (https://s1325.photobucket.com/user/Remington760-308/media/2013-04-14155242_zps48ddcda9.jpg.html)
;D My wife finally tried her hand at peeling a log :o :o :o(https://i1325.photobucket.com/albums/u635/Remington760-308/040913182411_zpsa326ab07.jpg) (https://s1325.photobucket.com/user/Remington760-308/media/040913182411_zpsa326ab07.jpg.html) She loved it so much she actually did 2 logs. Then she said that was enough :P(https://i1325.photobucket.com/albums/u635/Remington760-308/040913182401_zps7a71da3b.jpg) (https://s1325.photobucket.com/user/Remington760-308/media/040913182401_zps7a71da3b.jpg.html) I THINK SHE REALIZED WHY I ONLY DO 6-12 logs then quit......LUV U HUN
I love the live edge siding or whatever they call that. I considered using it on my cabin but then figured it may be a bit much.
I dont know how well or for how long thatboil will protect the wood but i do like the color
Thank you. I like the live edge bark boards too. They give it character.I don't know how long it will last but I will have plenty more if it needs another coat. We sprayed used oil on another outhouse that had OSB and it still looks great after 6 years. I think the key is to get the outhouse up off the ground by a foot or so. And roof over hang on the back... This was alot cheaper than shiplap or plywood siding. Only labor which is cheap :D...I think I will put the see through roofing on for light...
See through rood down here would make it a combo outhouse/sauna. That may not be a good combination ;D
My current cabin has live edge siding, it's nice but I've noticed it's starting to curl some and the wasps LOVE living up under the siding. It doesn't bother me all that much as we tend to ignore each other. Never thought about spraying it with used motor oil. The see through roof is a cool idea, I have an outdoor shower I use in the summer.
You're going to have one nice looking building when you're done.
Finished up the siding and the door. Made wooden lock and handle...I will get better pic of handle and lock -I see it didn't show up very well... (https://i1325.photobucket.com/albums/u635/Remington760-308/a0982310-eea7-472b-8735-037407cf5510_zps4335ee1d.jpg) (//s1325.photobucket.com/user/Remington760-308/media/a0982310-eea7-472b-8735-037407cf5510_zps4335ee1d.jpg.html)(https://i1325.photobucket.com/albums/u635/Remington760-308/2013-04-17152259_zpscf2623a5.jpg) (https://s1325.photobucket.com/user/Remington760-308/media/2013-04-17152259_zpscf2623a5.jpg.html) Now the question is what color to stain corner/trim boards and what color to stain floor?
Looking good in the neighborhood!
I have been working on roof rafters.... I used a program that figures out all the angles and birds mouth. I think I will be going with either an 8/12 (https://i1325.photobucket.com/albums/u635/Remington760-308/logcabinrooftruss2_zpse101728b.png) (https://s1325.photobucket.com/user/Remington760-308/media/logcabinrooftruss2_zpse101728b.png.html)or this 10/12 The ceiling height is about perfecton the 10/12 with 24" knee walls
:-[ Tried going up to camp toady.. What a mistake. We where going to brush hog and move some logs around. WE GOT SOO STUCK... Had to unload tractor to pull truck and trailer out. Then unhitch trailer and back it all the way down to the bottom of road then had to pull truck out. THEN RELOAD everything... I then back dragged the road too look new again.. ::) It looked very solid when we started up.... on the bright side we saw a black bear up there crossing the road. (https://i1325.photobucket.com/albums/u635/Remington760-308/042113114254_zps03a1880c.jpg) (https://s1325.photobucket.com/user/Remington760-308/media/042113114254_zps03a1880c.jpg.html)(https://i1325.photobucket.com/albums/u635/Remington760-308/042113114223_zpsb2dc8e52.jpg) (https://s1325.photobucket.com/user/Remington760-308/media/042113114223_zpsb2dc8e52.jpg.html) I was going on my driveway condition. It has been dry for 2-3 weeks so I figured that the road up to camp would be alright...
You may want to look into getting 1" gravel on your road, not nearly as expensive as I had expected. $500 delivered way up on the mountain for 25 tons, which is full belly dump load.
What you see in the picture is a class 6 road. I will probably use bank run gravel for my driveway... .. I just started for Pike. They are an asphalt plant. They have all kinds of material. Gonna be a long summer... Camp may have to wait alittle to get finished.
Getting ready to FINALLY start digging for driveway and to put piers in.... Hopefully next weekend since my buddy is booked during the week days right now... CAN'T WAIT to get things started!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Plus I have been putting in 55-60 hours during the week. not much time for anything else right now...
Talked to my buddy last night - it looks promising for next SAT.. :)
:)Finally on the way!! We delivered cement blocks up this weekend... very wet... won't stop raining.... >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:(It even snowed while up there today... We are going to start the drive way next Friday... [cool] (https://i1325.photobucket.com/albums/u635/Remington760-308/1369490245282_zps0a218402.jpg) (https://s1325.photobucket.com/user/Remington760-308/media/1369490245282_zps0a218402.jpg.html)(https://i1325.photobucket.com/albums/u635/Remington760-308/2013-05-25103748_zpse3672451.jpg) (https://s1325.photobucket.com/user/Remington760-308/media/2013-05-25103748_zpse3672451.jpg.html) retrieved my camera that i had up there for about a month.. had a few friends on it....(https://i1325.photobucket.com/albums/u635/Remington760-308/IM000009_zps3b24b89f.jpg) (https://s1325.photobucket.com/user/Remington760-308/media/IM000009_zps3b24b89f.jpg.html)black bear..(https://i1325.photobucket.com/albums/u635/Remington760-308/IM000003_zpsbb96c402.jpg) (https://s1325.photobucket.com/user/Remington760-308/media/IM000003_zpsbb96c402.jpg.html)moose /deer(https://i1325.photobucket.com/albums/u635/Remington760-308/IM000001_zps6be0e256.jpg) (https://s1325.photobucket.com/user/Remington760-308/media/IM000001_zps6be0e256.jpg.html) can any body see the second deer in the picture...
:) :) :) :)6:00 have to meet my friend with excavator to go to start the driveway... i will have a few pictures this weekend... c*
We FINALLY started ;D ;D ;D(https://i1325.photobucket.com/albums/u635/Remington760-308/2013-06-01113902_zps9d9d22e2.jpg) (https://s1325.photobucket.com/user/Remington760-308/media/2013-06-01113902_zps9d9d22e2.jpg.html)The first 50' was a little steep. We brought it down about 16" so we could back up the hill with the loaded trucks. We cleared all the rocks and a few stumps..(https://i1325.photobucket.com/albums/u635/Remington760-308/2013-06-01130900_zps3306d35f.jpg) (https://s1325.photobucket.com/user/Remington760-308/media/2013-06-01130900_zps3306d35f.jpg.html)OOPS track came off.. had to do a little Farmers rigging to get it back on... we stuck pieces of tree limbs into sprocket to fill it up and the spun the track ad push/pulled on track and PRESTO track back on(https://i1325.photobucket.com/albums/u635/Remington760-308/2013-06-02104733_zpsda4a6b55.jpg) (https://s1325.photobucket.com/user/Remington760-308/media/2013-06-02104733_zpsda4a6b55.jpg.html)My son and I were doing a little trimming on the sides and found this Chick A dee nest... I am glad we didn't disturb them...(https://i1325.photobucket.com/albums/u635/Remington760-308/2013-06-02143729_zps21da87bc.jpg) (https://s1325.photobucket.com/user/Remington760-308/media/2013-06-02143729_zps21da87bc.jpg.html)We improved the road every trip in with bank run gravel and some 1.5-2" stones to fill in the wash outs... We kept hitting the edge of this little rock/ we didn't want to cut a truck tire so we decided to dig it out... WELL another mistake... TOO BIG to remove and fill back in so we got it out of the hole and dug down a foot or so and just put it back.. Won't see this one for a decade or two(https://i1325.photobucket.com/albums/u635/Remington760-308/2013-06-02154609_zps73d87fe2.jpg) (https://s1325.photobucket.com/user/Remington760-308/media/2013-06-02154609_zps73d87fe2.jpg.html) When we finally got this rock/boulder back in and back filled it down poured and the wind picked up.. We had a long haul home down trees and power lines.... ::)
Platform loaded on trailer and 5 rows of logs.... Gonna deliver to property this week and hopefully get set on piers... :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :)Been really hectic lately==== ballgames,,, bike rally=== goose rock beach=== new job(65hours)more ball games = whew
RAIN RAIN GO AWAY SO I AN WORK ON MY DRIVEWAY!!! The bottom of the camp is delivered up north. Waiting on driveway to be finished...... contractor was going to work on it this week end.... [cool]
Drive way is 1/2 done. will be finished this coming week - then the real fun begins...... pictures to follow from then on out.
:) :) :) :) :) :) :) ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) Well it has been a long wait... Been working 70-80 hours a week. not much time to do any work on camp.... We are going to hopefully finish driveway and set blocks and platforms this weekend...
:) We got the outhouse in 2 weekends ago.(https://i1325.photobucket.com/albums/u635/Remington760-308/20130902_153619_zps88e0c86a.jpg) (https://s1325.photobucket.com/user/Remington760-308/media/20130902_153619_zps88e0c86a.jpg.html)Dug and set concrete piers to set pre-made platforms on.(https://i1325.photobucket.com/albums/u635/Remington760-308/20130902_150902_zps25fc0914.jpg) (https://s1325.photobucket.com/user/Remington760-308/media/20130902_150902_zps25fc0914.jpg.html)Glad I have some great friends. Started setting the first courses (https://i1325.photobucket.com/albums/u635/Remington760-308/20130907_151526_zps55ec7114.jpg) (https://s1325.photobucket.com/user/Remington760-308/media/20130907_151526_zps55ec7114.jpg.html)In 2 days we had the walls screwed together up to the bottom of the second floor...(https://i1325.photobucket.com/albums/u635/Remington760-308/20130908_144126_zps4768dbb4.jpg) (https://s1325.photobucket.com/user/Remington760-308/media/20130908_144126_zps4768dbb4.jpg.html)Septic storage tank installed ..... He is always thinking .....(https://i1325.photobucket.com/albums/u635/Remington760-308/20130908_144817_zps236f30e0.jpg) (https://s1325.photobucket.com/user/Remington760-308/media/20130908_144817_zps236f30e0.jpg.html)
We have a few friendly neighbors...(https://i1325.photobucket.com/albums/u635/Remington760-308/20130915_141604_zps19458660.jpg) (https://s1325.photobucket.com/user/Remington760-308/media/20130915_141604_zps19458660.jpg.html)We also had a moose and deer go across the lawn.... Lots of excavating to get the water to flow the right direction.... not under the camp... Rained over 2" on friday... talk about muddy need grass...
(https://i1325.photobucket.com/albums/u635/Remington760-308/1187096_10201436791660358_1078241037_n_002_zpscf19285a.jpg) (https://s1325.photobucket.com/user/Remington760-308/media/1187096_10201436791660358_1078241037_n_002_zpscf19285a.jpg.html)We got the floor joists in today and we worked on the front deck. 3/4 done on the deck.... Waiting on the T&G flooring to be finished being milled.... should be done this week ;D ;D ;D(https://i1325.photobucket.com/albums/u635/Remington760-308/Secondfloormainbeam_zps60bce1c3.jpg) (https://s1325.photobucket.com/user/Remington760-308/media/Secondfloormainbeam_zps60bce1c3.jpg.html)The second floor main beam...
MORE ------- RAIN just can't get a break in the weather.... We did finish deck today and installed the interior stairs to the 2nd floor.... thought they came out great.... THANKS RYAN AND STEPH for all the hard work..... GREAT FRIENDS ARE HARD TOO COME BY!
Headed to camp to work on the second floor and roof rafters.... Hope we get that far. it's been dry all week hopefully we can get the lawn raked and seeded. Maybe some windows too.....
I found a picture of us camping Labor Day weekend.(https://i1325.photobucket.com/albums/u635/Remington760-308/IMG_20130901_125814_392_zpsa609258c.jpg) (https://s1325.photobucket.com/user/Remington760-308/media/IMG_20130901_125814_392_zpsa609258c.jpg.html)
The next weekend we got the floor plywooded. Gabriel ends done and the rafters up- all but the very outside ones.https://i1325.photobucket.com/albums/u635/Remington760-308/20130929_151540_zpsa23fccb3.jpg[/img][/URL] We had too take a wheeler break- we went up to the top of Cree Notch to look out over Fish Pond..... what a nice day for that..(https://i1325.photobucket.com/albums/u635/Remington760-308/20130929_151540_zpsa23fccb3.jpg) (https://s1325.photobucket.com/user/Remington760-308/media/20130929_151540_zpsa23fccb3.jpg.html)(https://i1325.photobucket.com/albums/u635/Remington760-308/20130928_162950_zps9137f737.jpg) (https://s1325.photobucket.com/user/Remington760-308/media/20130928_162950_zps9137f737.jpg.html)
;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D I went up saturday and built the front door. Installed shower and toilet. Didn't get them plumbed yet. Framed walls for bathroom.(https://i1325.photobucket.com/albums/u635/Remington760-308/20131005_174131_zps70a0182c.jpg) (https://s1325.photobucket.com/user/Remington760-308/media/20131005_174131_zps70a0182c.jpg.html)
My son and I went back up sunday and checked on the hole i dug for a spring and we had 2' of water... in a 4' hole not too bad since we have not had any rain for a week and a half.. We cut the rafter tails to length. We then installed some cedar posts that a friend cut off his property at Maidstone Lake.Thanks Nick!!!! Put header up and mortised in the rafters..... cleaned up and left by 3:30 (https://i1325.photobucket.com/albums/u635/Remington760-308/20131006_143218_zps7d9483c7.jpg) (https://s1325.photobucket.com/user/Remington760-308/media/20131006_143218_zps7d9483c7.jpg.html)
That's looking like all the hard work will pay off.
I am hoping that the weather holds for a couple of more weeks so I can get the roof on. Ordered Crimson Red roofing today will be in by friday and the T&G will be ready too..... Just gonna need time and a little corp. with the weather lady LOL
Headed to camp in the morning... Have half the T&G for the roof all the metal and insulation.... I guess half is better than none.... even though the lumber mill has had my rough lumber since spring and they asked me a couple weeks ago when i needed it...... LETS JUST WAIT TILL THE LAST MINUTE!!!! Oh well now that i have vented off to bed for an early rise.........
(https://i1325.photobucket.com/albums/u635/Remington760-308/20131013_100819_zps97afb0fe.jpg) (https://s1325.photobucket.com/user/Remington760-308/media/20131013_100819_zps97afb0fe.jpg.html)We started on the side that had the stove pipe in it. We camped on the first floor so we wanted heat... I had just enough Tongue and Groove for one side... (https://i1325.photobucket.com/albums/u635/Remington760-308/20131013_100650_zps2b70ec59.jpg) (https://s1325.photobucket.com/user/Remington760-308/media/20131013_100650_zps2b70ec59.jpg.html)We started the next morning on porch roof because we had to move all the tin--- didn't want to move it twice GOOD THINKING CHRIS....(https://i1325.photobucket.com/albums/u635/Remington760-308/20131013_102538_zpse28b006a.jpg) (https://s1325.photobucket.com/user/Remington760-308/media/20131013_102538_zpse28b006a.jpg.html)Front porch roof is done---Started to get green grass and we are adding some clover to the driveway and banks.. (https://i1325.photobucket.com/albums/u635/Remington760-308/20131013_145721_zps18108a52.jpg) (https://s1325.photobucket.com/user/Remington760-308/media/20131013_145721_zps18108a52.jpg.html)One side completed..... what a short weekend.... never enough time... Girls insulated the windows and we made the rear door.. NOW I HOPE THE SAWMILL WILL HOPEFULLY FINISH UP MY T&G so I can finish.... they had it all summer and promised it would be ready by last week NOT>>>>>>>
(https://i1325.photobucket.com/albums/u635/Remington760-308/camproofwithsomehelpfrommydad_zps39b915d5.jpg) (https://s1325.photobucket.com/user/Remington760-308/media/camproofwithsomehelpfrommydad_zps39b915d5.jpg.html)I am so glad my Dad showed up Sunday morning.... We finished putting on the T&G and strapped the roof... We had a heck of a time putting plastic on so it wouldn't leak inside... We spent the night up there Sat. night and the wind blew so much that I didn't get any sleep from the tarp that was on the roof blowing around... another couple hours we will have the metal roof on and weather tight....
Well finally we have the roof on so it is DRY inside..... It rained then snowed then rained again while we where putting on the last sheets...(https://i1325.photobucket.com/albums/u635/Remington760-308/1380725_10202096917641578_265961852_n_zpsc76263fd.jpg) (https://s1325.photobucket.com/user/Remington760-308/media/1380725_10202096917641578_265961852_n_zpsc76263fd.jpg.html) we also half buried a plastic barrel in the ditch outback for water to flush toilet....trimmed a few windows.. rushed home to go hunting with my son.... Youth weekend he made an excellent shot 165 yards to down a 157 lb. doe.. we now have meat in the freezer for this winter..(https://i1325.photobucket.com/albums/u635/Remington760-308/Jarrett2013doe157lbs_zps16f8d5c1.jpg) (https://s1325.photobucket.com/user/Remington760-308/media/Jarrett2013doe157lbs_zps16f8d5c1.jpg.html)
Looking good!
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Thank you.... Can't wait to go to camp and just hunt not work......
Muzzle loader season started sat. saw 11 does this weekend. Had a fawn with a growth between her front legs that was the size of a basketball.... she couldn't run very fast but she looked in good shape. Headed too camp this friday. Gonna do some scouting/hunting. and work on camp some during mid day.
Went to camp this weekend... worked on a few things - cleaned up alittle and had another great weekend with some great friends.. (https://i1325.photobucket.com/albums/u635/Remington760-308/potatoesrcookn_zps5b734d7a.jpg) (https://s1325.photobucket.com/user/Remington760-308/media/potatoesrcookn_zps5b734d7a.jpg.html) Cooked some potatoes on top of the wood stove. Cooked some venison o the grill outside and had some of Steph's home made bread..(https://i1325.photobucket.com/albums/u635/Remington760-308/kitchen_zpsd0307224.jpgKitchen%20is%20sort%20of%20in%20waiting%20on%20bar%20top%20to%20dry%20to%20install.....%5Bimg%5D)[URL=https://s1325.photobucket.com/user/Remington760-308/media/stairsaredone_zpsbc7bae06.jpg.html](https://i1325.photobucket.com/albums/u635/Remington760-308/stairsaredone_zpsbc7bae06.jpg) (https://s1325.photobucket.com/user/Remington760-308/media/kitchen_zpsd0307224.jpg.html)stairs are done AGAIN... (https://i1325.photobucket.com/albums/u635/Remington760-308/backdoor_zps9884c281.jpg) (https://s1325.photobucket.com/user/Remington760-308/media/backdoor_zps9884c281.jpg.html)Backdoor and some T&G done(https://i1325.photobucket.com/albums/u635/Remington760-308/bathrrom_zps678ccce2.jpg) (https://s1325.photobucket.com/user/Remington760-308/media/bathrrom_zps678ccce2.jpg.html)Bathroom..... Girls are waiting for it to be finished plumbed in....(https://i1325.photobucket.com/albums/u635/Remington760-308/Keepingouthouseseatwarm_zps7ff2ad98.jpg) (https://s1325.photobucket.com/user/Remington760-308/media/Keepingouthouseseatwarm_zps7ff2ad98.jpg.html)Trying to keep the toilet seat as warm as possible 15 degrees sunday morning
Stove not heating as well as I would like it to be.... Have been burning ash plenty of draft good bed of coals but no real heat out of stove...... would have thought this stove would blow us out of there... any suggestions....
What is the outside temp? I think I would go there first.
Quote from: Remington760-308 on December 10, 2013, 11:42:20 PM
Stove not heating as well as I would like it to be.... Have been burning ash plenty of draft good bed of coals but no real heat out of stove...... would have thought this stove would blow us out of there... any suggestions....
The efficeny of the woodstoves differ greatly. Personally mine has a baffle area so to speak which restricts the escape of exhaust which improves it's heat output. Some have none and the majority of the heat just "goes up the flue" so to speak.
You are burning a species which is close to the top of the scale for BTU output.
http://forestry.usu.edu/htm/forest-products/wood-heating
I added a flue damper to mine which seems to make all the difference. It doesn't restrict the air intake to the stove only restricts the exhaust. Downside is that you have to clean the flue more often. I leave the stove damper on high but cut the damper back on the flue. If for some reason I have to leave for an extended period of time I will shut back the stove damper as well. But as Rick said the outside temperature has a lot to do with how well it operates meaning it is putting out the same heat only that the inside is cooling off faster than normal because of the extreme outside temperature.
Another thing that helps is if you have a high ceiling is to install a fan and reverse the direction to where it forces the air down toward the floor. Hot air will rise and just sit there in the peak and offers no advantage to the floors and actual living area. It also will help circulate it to ther rooms.
I agree with the others, go on a draft hunt. Other things, moisture content of the wood is a biggie, wet wood isn't going to produce much over 200 degrees until the moisture is driven off. Our modern stove couldn't breathe very freely out of the box, it took a little port and polish work to get it to where it could thump when called upon.
Interesting the amount of flue dampers I see now days. Around here they were eliminated via the modern stove. Oh you don't need them, that is old school. Over the years I have seen several magically reappear. ;)
I got a 'deal' of a Dutch West by Vermont Castings. WOW Don - I hope I don't have to crate it all up and send it off to the machine shop. $$$ Porting polished and blue printed but it now puts out serous house power..... Sure aint stock..... Then we went to 4:11 gears and hooked it up with a ... Does a quarter in about just exactly ...............;D
Seriously though if a stove can not breathe it sure cant burn. But it looks like it cooks the spuds..... So I would look for heat loss via lack of insulation or drafts
Am I correct to assume this was a trip up to the cold unheated cabin; then you built a fire to warm up? Maybe it is not so much a problem of getting the stove to burn/heat but a case of the cold logs taking a longer than expected time to warm up. Maybe the stove is working as hard as it can but the heat is being absorbed by the log walls? Mass can be a two forked devil; good or bad depending on where the start and desired end points are.
Having outside combustion air makes a tremendous difference.
Rick, it can really get lost. That whole overhead valve thing is just a passing fad, flatties rule ;D
QuoteMass can be a two forked devil; good or bad depending on where the start and desired end points are.
That is a good possibility. My old boss that taught us to build log cabins used to say the coldest weekend you can spend is in a log cabin, but the week after you leave it is nice and warm. But I'd wander around looking for cracks first.
Mass- insulation- empty for a while
we just arrived at our house where we are staying in a trailer....its been empty and unheated since october
The whole thing is cold, bedding, floors, walls, basicly the whole thing is the same temperature as outside night....arround -10oC right now
even the RV antifreeze is frozen solid
It will take us about 3 days to get the temperatures up and propane usage down !
Just making that change uses a whole lot of BTU's
Once the inside is heated the insulation starts to work, before that its like a heater in an icebox....
We double bubble the windows at night as well to reflect the heat back in
Last year it was -20oC when we arrived...that was a struggle to get the temperatures up inside over the first few days
The stove has an internal damper. We have it wide open most of the time. No damper in the piping. I have stuffed alot of the cracks with insulation. have to work on sealing up the doors a little better... You are right about the mass being cold- but i went up friday morning and started stove had it up to 72' and then on sat the temp dropped into the teens. stove could not keep up. Burn time was only 5-6 hours max. A little drafty but not too bad.
Is your floor insulated? It can make a ton of difference, believe it or not....and I agree about the Remington 760, one of the finest rifles ever made... :)
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No it is not insulated yet. It will be next year when I have time to do it. I am also planning on putting metal all the way around the bottom to keep critters out and to keep the wind from blowing under..... By the way Nice Moose... and yes the best overall gun IMO is the Remington 760
BTW Ellen my wife shoots an early model 760-'06 it was my uncle's. Iron sights and no recoil pad. I took it down to the gunsmith to get it taped for scope rings. The gunsmith called and told me worth a lot more if you don't touch it was such an early model. Suggested we find something else for her. Her dad was a military gun collector so she cut her teeth with that type of configuration and never slowed her down even reaching out there a ways and touching some thing. When we were in high school she shot mostly mostly black powder 50 cal mini balls from a long gun in competition.
You must have the REMINGTON 760 WITH THE SPIRAL FOREND SLIDE.. always loved the looks of that style gun.
Quote from: Remington760-308 on December 26, 2013, 12:55:11 PM
You must have the REMINGTON 760 WITH THE SPIRAL FOREND SLIDE.. always loved the looks of that style gun.
Yeah she's an oldy, made in the late 50s or early 60s I think; "corncob style" is what they call the forend...bought her in 1992 for $125, always been a straight shooter...been threatening to tune her up for a while, rebore to .35 Whelen, do a ceramic finish, new stock, etc.....truth is, I like her just fine, great truck gun. :)
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:) :) :)HAPPY NEW YEARWent to camp - found alot of moose tracks and a spring that we didn't see in the middle of the property. My son and I cut and trimmed a path so we could get to the top of the land with 4 wheelers. It rained a couple of days ago and the driveway was so icey that we had to walk up it... :-\Cut and split some firewood. Had lunch - hotdogs and chips......We where soaked when we left but we had a good father/son day and almost forgot our dog Bentley..... We had a skidder go by and he dropped his blade and plowed the road for us to get out.. TY.
- 19 HERE TODAY BBBBRRRRR
It was -36 here yesterday, and they are calling for +43 on Monday! Talk about a swing of temperature...
Wow... fantastic work!
THese heat reclaimers from Northern Tools are pretty cool, and easy to install
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Less than $200. Drafting air from outside is critical---otherwise you're just pulling in cold air from all over the house to feed the stove. Insulating the floor and all parts of the attic is important, too.
Just picked up an Old Mill wood/coal woodstove. Guy was changing to a newer one. Changed it to a top vent 6" instead of rear exit 8". Will take 28" wood with an ash pan. Looks like it had a few hot suppers but still in very good cond. for my camp. HOPEFULLY this will put out some HEAT FAST.
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Looks like a good workhorse, but reminds of what Thoreau said when he switched to a stove where the flames didn't show and he felt as if he'd lost an old friend...Still, a warmer cabin matters a lot more than a little firelight.
I really like how you placed it in the center of the structure---much better for heat distribution and chimney draft than an outside wall. Unless your fireplace is strictly for ambience, putting it as low as possible towards the center is smart
Insulation--- I talked to an insulation engineer (commercial application but theories are the same) who said you have to think of it as a six sided envelope, and insulating top and bottom is more important than the sides; something about pressure differences and chimney effect. He claimed simply insulating the attic access hole made more impact than switching out all the windows from single to dual glazed.
Sort of wondering why you didn't use a 8 to 6 adapter instead of changing the location. ???
I changed the location because the stove needs to sit back as far as possible. With the 8" coming out the back it pushes the stove forward 10-12" which puts it out into the middle of the living room. It wasn't that hard to switch. I have the welder and tools to do it and it took like 1 hour to complete. The inside of the fire box has a plate welded in there so the flame wouldn't go straight up the pipe. So I really didn't change the function of it . The only difference is the 8 to 6 difference. I don't think this would be a problem because the chimney is straight up through the roof. No elbows or thimbles or restrictions. I wanted the Ambiance . I But heat is more important d*.
Insulation Issue - This is just a camp... will never be used to live in full time. wood is plentiful I will be insulating the floor with 1.5 inch and sealing the outside off with metal so the wind doesn't blow under the camp and the pipes don't freeze????
That was the first thing that came to mind. Although there is not much engineering involved in the manufacturing there needs to be some type of restriction (plate) in there. In lieu of that if there wasn't any then a damper in the pipe going verticle would work. Glad it worked out.
yes there is a restrictor plate in there.. Also I am going to put a damper in so I can get some heat out of the vertical piping...
[cool]It was -9 this morning when we got to camp.... We had to go switch stoves - have someone that is going to buy it.... went pretty smoothly. Put new wood stove in the bed of my Polaris Ranger 900 XP and took it up -drove right up to the camp with tire chains on. Switched out stoves and then THE RANGER wouldn't start. >:( Played with the relays and it finally started. WHEW!!!!! Guys coming tomorrow to look at old stove..... It wasn't as bad as I thought getting in.... thought it would be snowed in - so I couldn't get all the way out the class 6 road. the neighbor just before me has plowed.... Hope he doesn't screw up the road this spring when the frost comes out of the road. Found some free furniture - couch,love seat and chair that fit the cabin look. It's made out of 2x6 framing and RUGGED. We are thinking of taking it in this weekend......
Went to see how far we could get up to camp... We had 12-14" snow in the last couple of days. We made to within 1/4 mile. Getting excited again about finishing up alot of loose ends up there..... We have to finish driveway- septic connections- deck and roof on back(all ready adding on)-clear for well tiles and water line- put in food plots and treestands.. finish off upstairs- clean the logs / oil stain close in the bottom with metal- install pine boards flooring etc..whew
Looking to see if anybody has any pictures of their log camp they did from scratch- like to see pictures.
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Sorry for not posting in a while... Went to camp 6-29-2014 and found a lot of grass on the front lawn. Need to bring weed whacker and a push mower. Moose and deer are not keeping up with trimming the grass..
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Nice build!
Love your cabin! Has some great character and good to see your kids getting into it.
Keep the pics coming.
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Thanks for the compliments... The kids are really starting to enjoy camp now that we have new neighbors with kids. They are excited to go!!!! We have a bunch of new pics but too TIRED to post right now.....later
We got to camp on July 3rd. Grass was tall.(https://i1325.photobucket.com/albums/u635/Remington760-308/2014-06-28_16-15-36_269_zps6f996b1c.jpg) (https://s1325.photobucket.com/user/Remington760-308/media/2014-06-28_16-15-36_269_zps6f996b1c.jpg.html) We bought a cheap $25 dollar sears self propelled lawn mower and it worked just fine. Gotta sharpen the blades but other than that it ran fine..(https://i1325.photobucket.com/albums/u635/Remington760-308/2014-06-28_16-11-25_953_zpsac5a6922.jpg) (https://s1325.photobucket.com/user/Remington760-308/media/2014-06-28_16-11-25_953_zpsac5a6922.jpg.html)(https://i1325.photobucket.com/albums/u635/Remington760-308/2014-07-03_18-43-36_520_zps1a353270.jpg) (https://s1325.photobucket.com/user/Remington760-308/media/2014-07-03_18-43-36_520_zps1a353270.jpg.html)(https://i1325.photobucket.com/albums/u635/Remington760-308/2014-07-03_18-33-44_667_zpsdd4dd781.jpg) (https://s1325.photobucket.com/user/Remington760-308/media/2014-07-03_18-33-44_667_zpsdd4dd781.jpg.html)(https://i1325.photobucket.com/albums/u635/Remington760-308/2014-07-03_18-33-22_813_zps1c25dca7.jpg) (https://s1325.photobucket.com/user/Remington760-308/media/2014-07-03_18-33-22_813_zps1c25dca7.jpg.html)
We started putting down the wide pine plank flooring last week and I finished up this week. 8)(https://i1325.photobucket.com/albums/u635/Remington760-308/camp20144_zps2bfbb248.jpg) (https://s1325.photobucket.com/user/Remington760-308/media/camp20144_zps2bfbb248.jpg.html)(https://i1325.photobucket.com/albums/u635/Remington760-308/2014-07-06_15-21-02_462_zpsc4963ff1.jpg) (https://s1325.photobucket.com/user/Remington760-308/media/2014-07-06_15-21-02_462_zpsc4963ff1.jpg.html)(http://[img][url=https://s1325.photobucket.com/user/Remington760-308/media/2014-07-06_15-21-25_868_zps8899a05f.jpg.html%5D%5BIMG%5Dhttps://i1325.photobucket.com/albums/u635/Remington760-308/2014-07-06_15-21-25_868_zps8899a05f.jpg)[/URL](https://i1325.photobucket.com/albums/u635/Remington760-308/2014-07-06_15-21-30_352_zpsff14e670.jpg) (https://s1325.photobucket.com/user/Remington760-308/media/2014-07-06_15-21-30_352_zpsff14e670.jpg.html)My wife worked on putting the tiles in the entryway. She did a great job but I don't think she wants to lay tile for a living..(https://i1325.photobucket.com/albums/u635/Remington760-308/2014-07-06_15-21-25_868_zpscb8f4542.jpg) (https://s1325.photobucket.com/user/Remington760-308/media/2014-07-06_15-21-25_868_zpscb8f4542.jpg.html).(https://i1325.photobucket.com/albums/u635/Remington760-308/2014-07-06_15-21-15_55_zps7721d4dc.jpg) (https://s1325.photobucket.com/user/Remington760-308/media/2014-07-06_15-21-15_55_zps7721d4dc.jpg.html)We got the bar and bar top in too. We bought 3 bar chairs for $35 and think they compliment the Red theme going on(https://i1325.photobucket.com/albums/u635/Remington760-308/2014-07-06_15-21-02_462_zpsba28cb6a.jpg) (https://s1325.photobucket.com/user/Remington760-308/media/2014-07-06_15-21-02_462_zpsba28cb6a.jpg.html)Made a stone walkway too try and keep the dirt/mud out of camp and the outhouse(https://i1325.photobucket.com/albums/u635/Remington760-308/2014-07-06_15-20-13_108_zps956a619a.jpg) (https://s1325.photobucket.com/user/Remington760-308/media/2014-07-06_15-20-13_108_zps956a619a.jpg.html)(https://i1325.photobucket.com/albums/u635/Remington760-308/2014-07-06_15-19-16_752_zpsb6d0364f.jpg) (https://s1325.photobucket.com/user/Remington760-308/media/2014-07-06_15-19-16_752_zpsb6d0364f.jpg.html)(https://i1325.photobucket.com/albums/u635/Remington760-308/2014-07-06_15-19-06_760_zps64368731.jpg) (https://s1325.photobucket.com/user/Remington760-308/media/2014-07-06_15-19-06_760_zps64368731.jpg.html) Dug holes and filled with stone for the footings for the back deck/porch.(https://i1325.photobucket.com/albums/u635/Remington760-308/2014-07-06_15-19-51_866_zps46f81d6b.jpg) (https://s1325.photobucket.com/user/Remington760-308/media/2014-07-06_15-19-51_866_zps46f81d6b.jpg.html) Team Work putting the deep fryer together...(https://i1325.photobucket.com/albums/u635/Remington760-308/2014-07-04_09-21-01_570_zps50c0f8e5.jpg) (https://s1325.photobucket.com/user/Remington760-308/media/2014-07-04_09-21-01_570_zps50c0f8e5.jpg.html)They did alot of work around camp this weekend. Very proud of them. They are starting to enjoy the camp. They have friends just a mile up the road that they can go see on the UTV. Starting the fire to cook hotdogs.(https://i1325.photobucket.com/albums/u635/Remington760-308/2014-07-03_18-43-53_721_zps9617bee0.jpg) (https://s1325.photobucket.com/user/Remington760-308/media/2014-07-03_18-43-53_721_zps9617bee0.jpg.html)(https://i1325.photobucket.com/albums/u635/Remington760-308/2014-07-03_18-43-53_721_zpscb53e558.jpg) (https://s1325.photobucket.com/user/Remington760-308/media/2014-07-03_18-43-53_721_zpscb53e558.jpg.html)
Sorry the picture of walk way to camp didn't post so here it is...(https://i1325.photobucket.com/albums/u635/Remington760-308/2014-07-06_15-20-13_108_zpse7a1893a.jpg) (https://s1325.photobucket.com/user/Remington760-308/media/2014-07-06_15-20-13_108_zpse7a1893a.jpg.html)
(https://i1325.photobucket.com/albums/u635/Remington760-308/IMG_1267_zpsd59efdfa.jpg) (https://s1325.photobucket.com/user/Remington760-308/media/IMG_1267_zpsd59efdfa.jpg.html)Worked on camp this weekend. What a great weekend. Only had Sat. afternoon and Sunday morning. Wife Bleached and scrubbed inside wall. It's going to take awhile. The wall got mud on it and some mildew from sitting in a gravel pit waiting to be hauled up to it's final resting spot.(https://i1325.photobucket.com/albums/u635/Remington760-308/IMG_1266_zps68f6374b.jpg) (https://s1325.photobucket.com/user/Remington760-308/media/IMG_1266_zps68f6374b.jpg.html)My son standing in front door way over the tile work my wife did the weekend before.(https://i1325.photobucket.com/albums/u635/Remington760-308/IMG_1259_zps15637e93.jpg) (https://s1325.photobucket.com/user/Remington760-308/media/IMG_1259_zps15637e93.jpg.html) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8)My son trying to get mortar out of the pail with out getting his hands all dirty.(https://i1325.photobucket.com/albums/u635/Remington760-308/IMG_1256_zpsc8dbf4b6.jpg) (https://s1325.photobucket.com/user/Remington760-308/media/IMG_1256_zpsc8dbf4b6.jpg.html)He is doing a very good job PROUD OF HIM and the work he does. :) :) :) :) :) :) :)(https://i1325.photobucket.com/albums/u635/Remington760-308/IMG_1265_zps0927a9df.jpg) (https://s1325.photobucket.com/user/Remington760-308/media/IMG_1265_zps0927a9df.jpg.html)They did a great job. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D(https://i1325.photobucket.com/albums/u635/Remington760-308/IMG_1263_zps8d03de5c.jpg) (https://s1325.photobucket.com/user/Remington760-308/media/IMG_1263_zps8d03de5c.jpg.html)Cutting in for the rafters. I have temporary support post holding up the header. I have some Cedar posts coming from a co=worker(https://i1325.photobucket.com/albums/u635/Remington760-308/IMG_1262_zpsfdaa0400.jpg) (https://s1325.photobucket.com/user/Remington760-308/media/IMG_1262_zpsfdaa0400.jpg.html)(https://i1325.photobucket.com/albums/u635/Remington760-308/IMG_1268_zps4a46e034.jpg) (https://s1325.photobucket.com/user/Remington760-308/media/IMG_1268_zps4a46e034.jpg.html)Rafters are up now time to order metal...(https://i1325.photobucket.com/albums/u635/Remington760-308/IMG_1269_zpsd4e3f266.jpg) (https://s1325.photobucket.com/user/Remington760-308/media/IMG_1269_zpsd4e3f266.jpg.html)
Putting up the rafters wasn't just that easy. I had to mortise into the wall the rafter ends. The only rafter material I had left was 3"x 8" . I had to rip them down to 6". And the saw would only go part way through so I had to rip both sides. Then I had to make sure the cut side was on the upper so I didn't see it. Only hit 1 screw in the wall with chain saw. d* d* d* d* Oh well it's done. metal on order. Then we can move picnic table/grill/generator out on back deck out of the sun. AND THE BACK DOOR WON'T LEAK WHEN WE GET AN EASTERN DRIVING RAIN.
(https://i1325.photobucket.com/albums/u635/Remington760-308/IMG_1286_zps574996bc.jpg) (https://s1325.photobucket.com/user/Remington760-308/media/IMG_1286_zps574996bc.jpg.html)My son loved making an Ice Cooler for the back deck at camp.He was the one that did the sanding and he screwed it all together. (https://i1325.photobucket.com/albums/u635/Remington760-308/IMG_1283_zpsce810ef2.jpg) (https://s1325.photobucket.com/user/Remington760-308/media/IMG_1283_zpsce810ef2.jpg.html)We recycled used T&G that a guy was giving away. We turned the finished sided towards the inside and made the outside smooth. The only thing we had to buy was 2 sheets of 2" insulation and hinges.(https://i1325.photobucket.com/albums/u635/Remington760-308/IMG_1287_zps955809ba.jpg) (https://s1325.photobucket.com/user/Remington760-308/media/IMG_1287_zps955809ba.jpg.html)We haven't used it yet. We put a divider in it so we could keep SODA ;)on one side and food on the other. We Mortised all the insulation so it would stay in place and sealed all the joints so it wouldn't leak. We are going to use milk jugs with water frozen solid as a big block of ice we can just reuse and nothing will get wet.. 8) We finished seeding the side yard and around the fire pit..(https://i1325.photobucket.com/albums/u635/Remington760-308/IMG_1401_zps639297fc.jpg) (https://s1325.photobucket.com/user/Remington760-308/media/IMG_1401_zps639297fc.jpg.html)(https://i1325.photobucket.com/albums/u635/Remington760-308/IMG_1402_zps9fa564c7.jpg) (https://s1325.photobucket.com/user/Remington760-308/media/IMG_1402_zps9fa564c7.jpg.html)Jarrett and I also built a T&G door for the bathroom. We framed it and it came out great.(https://i1325.photobucket.com/albums/u635/Remington760-308/IMG_1284_zps555a9959.jpg) (https://s1325.photobucket.com/user/Remington760-308/media/IMG_1284_zps555a9959.jpg.html)(https://i1325.photobucket.com/albums/u635/Remington760-308/IMG_1414_zps8373acac.jpg) (https://s1325.photobucket.com/user/Remington760-308/media/IMG_1414_zps8373acac.jpg.html)Finishing up the bathroom walls. (https://i1325.photobucket.com/albums/u635/Remington760-308/IMG_1407_zps11df7da8.jpg) (https://s1325.photobucket.com/user/Remington760-308/media/IMG_1407_zps11df7da8.jpg.html)My son leveling the dirt underneath the camp so we can put plastic down to keep moisture from going up into anything. We should be all right because we are 16-20 inches above the dirt but we did it any way.(https://i1325.photobucket.com/albums/u635/Remington760-308/IMG_1411_zpsf36c9187.jpg) (https://s1325.photobucket.com/user/Remington760-308/media/IMG_1411_zpsf36c9187.jpg.html)My daughter sanding the stairs. She got sick of that real quick and my son took over.(https://i1325.photobucket.com/albums/u635/Remington760-308/IMG_1413_zpse53a4e07.jpg) (https://s1325.photobucket.com/user/Remington760-308/media/IMG_1413_zpse53a4e07.jpg.html)Upstairs wall that divides the adult room and the kids room.(https://i1325.photobucket.com/albums/u635/Remington760-308/IMG_1416_zpsee4c62ec.jpg) (https://s1325.photobucket.com/user/Remington760-308/media/IMG_1416_zpsee4c62ec.jpg.html)(https://i1325.photobucket.com/albums/u635/Remington760-308/IMG_1417_zps9921c904.jpg) (https://s1325.photobucket.com/user/Remington760-308/media/IMG_1417_zps9921c904.jpg.html)(https://i1325.photobucket.com/albums/u635/Remington760-308/IMG_1429_zpsbc59b5e9.jpg) (https://s1325.photobucket.com/user/Remington760-308/media/IMG_1429_zpsbc59b5e9.jpg.html)Green beans were some what ready. They planted a few plants- green beans and green peppers- and pumpkins.(https://i1325.photobucket.com/albums/u635/Remington760-308/IMG_1430_zps236d71c4.jpg) (https://s1325.photobucket.com/user/Remington760-308/media/IMG_1430_zps236d71c4.jpg.html)1 half wall cleaned and scrubbed with bleach and water. You probably won't be able to see the difference but you can in person.
Hey there.. totally impressed with what you guys have done - particularly with the involvement of your kids.. when one of my students does something nice in class, I acknowledge the deed with " your mom brought you up right.." you guys are certainly bringing up your kids right! Both you and they will cherish the memories of working together .. jt
Thank you for the compliments pocono_couple. We try and teach our kids that hard work pays off. Sometimes you have to go above and beyond to make things right. Our kids enjoy working most of the time on projects. We try to keep it interesting for them - also make them do it Right. They don't have any electronics at camp. We want camp to be fun-liveable-functional. We try to make everything we can. We have been recycling old boards and material that we have lying around or have been given. My son loves building things. He started building squirrel traps out of 1x6 lumber i had laying around. He caught 3-4 squirrels and a skunk or 2.
ok.. so i have to ask.. what does he do with the squirrels? last Christmas, my son called me in the morning to tell me that he shot a squirrel .. and that he was adding squirrel quesidia to the Christmas menu.. that turned out to be a bit of a surprise, but I was on board with the idea.. not so sure about skunk quesidia though!
He lets the squirrels go. The skunk went for a long deep swim in a pond. He keeps the population of Red squirrels down around here. He has skinned a few out. Have yet to eat one though.
:)Went to camp this weekend. Must have been an Eastern storm. We had water come in the back windows and under the pine floor.(https://i1325.photobucket.com/albums/u635/Remington760-308/8-2014_zps794e3677.jpg) (https://s1325.photobucket.com/user/Remington760-308/media/8-2014_zps794e3677.jpg.html) We had to cut a few trees to get to camp. Good thing I brought my Husky with me. We had some visitors come visit. Thanks Mark - Laurie - Shannon - Jimmy for the visit and helping with finishing the back porch roof. Cross that off the list of things to be completed.(https://i1325.photobucket.com/albums/u635/Remington760-308/8-17-20141_zps70a8de43.jpg) (https://s1325.photobucket.com/user/Remington760-308/media/8-17-20141_zps70a8de43.jpg.html) My son and I finished grouting the tile floor in the entryway and under the wood stove.(https://i1325.photobucket.com/albums/u635/Remington760-308/8-17-2014_zpse9444920.jpg) (https://s1325.photobucket.com/user/Remington760-308/media/8-17-2014_zpse9444920.jpg.html)We had a couple of trees fall at camp. Cut them up for fire wood. Put kitchen cabinet doors on. Installed screen door on the front of camp. Rained off and on Sunday. We where planning on an ATV ride but that got put on hold till next weekend. My wife cleaned and bleached /scrubbed the bathroom walls. (https://i1325.photobucket.com/albums/u635/Remington760-308/bentleysbed_zps9a622e5f.jpg) (https://s1325.photobucket.com/user/Remington760-308/media/bentleysbed_zps9a622e5f.jpg.html)My dog has his own COT bed
Nice job, Looking good!
Jarrett making a little more parking - for the trailers and wheelers.(https://i1325.photobucket.com/albums/u635/Remington760-308/campparking_zpsaf20470d.jpg) (https://s1325.photobucket.com/user/Remington760-308/media/campparking_zpsaf20470d.jpg.html) Bentley was waiting patiently for Jarrett to come back up the driveway with some stone.(https://i1325.photobucket.com/albums/u635/Remington760-308/campparking1_zps2095b21b.jpg) (https://s1325.photobucket.com/user/Remington760-308/media/campparking1_zps2095b21b.jpg.html)Friday night sky was a pretty shade of red. The picture doesn't do it justice.(https://i1325.photobucket.com/albums/u635/Remington760-308/fridaynightsky_zps4f0c912d.jpg) (https://s1325.photobucket.com/user/Remington760-308/media/fridaynightsky_zps4f0c912d.jpg.html)I brought up some ball field sand mix for a horseshoe pit. (https://i1325.photobucket.com/albums/u635/Remington760-308/horseshoepitdirt_zps9357533b.jpg) (https://s1325.photobucket.com/user/Remington760-308/media/horseshoepitdirt_zps9357533b.jpg.html)I had 2300 lbs in my 1/2 ton Chevy. Dragged a few times with the trailer jack on the way in. We had company this weekend and they helped with wood for this hunting season.(https://i1325.photobucket.com/albums/u635/Remington760-308/wood_zpsc224ca5f.jpg) (https://s1325.photobucket.com/user/Remington760-308/media/wood_zpsc224ca5f.jpg.html)(https://i1325.photobucket.com/albums/u635/Remington760-308/wood1_zps2bbc294b.jpg) (https://s1325.photobucket.com/user/Remington760-308/media/wood1_zps2bbc294b.jpg.html)Worked really well using the ranger to go get the wood and my tractor sitting next to place to split it and stack it..
Looks great!
How wide and thick are the pine floors? Where did you get it?
thanks
Austin
The pine flooring is 1 x 12" planks. I bought them from a local lumber yard. I have about $350-400 into them. We put 3 coats of water based poly on them with a mole hair roller. THANKS
;DFinally broke down and bought a reliable portable generator. Bought a Yamaha 2000i. Looks at the reviews and it is the same as the Honda 2000i but easier to change the oil. And it can be rebuilt. Features are the same. The plus side is I got $100 in Cabelas bucks to use and I redeemed $667.00 in Cabelas points. So I actually ended up getting the generator for $240+-...... ;D c*
Now the wife can have her coffee in the morning and I can return the big generator that I have been using from a friend.
We went to camp this past weekend and got a lot done. We finally have running water. (https://i1325.photobucket.com/albums/u635/Remington760-308/IMG_20140914_144333_zps1a86b7ec.jpg) (https://s1325.photobucket.com/user/Remington760-308/media/IMG_20140914_144333_zps1a86b7ec.jpg.html) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D(https://i1325.photobucket.com/albums/u635/Remington760-308/IMG_20140914_144348_zps89ee17d5.jpg) (https://s1325.photobucket.com/user/Remington760-308/media/IMG_20140914_144348_zps89ee17d5.jpg.html)We dug 3 test holes before we got a hole that we think will supply water. We dug a hole put a 20" culvert in on top of 12" of stone - inserted 3/4" water line and started digging. We put in 450' of line from culvert to the well tiles I had 100' from camp. We plumbed it so we could use the colvert or have the culvert fill the well tiles and gravity feed from there. The only bad thing about using the well tiles is there isn't much water pressure. We may have to run a pressure pump. (https://i1325.photobucket.com/albums/u635/Remington760-308/IMG_20140913_160036_zpsfe603555.jpg) (https://s1325.photobucket.com/user/Remington760-308/media/IMG_20140913_160036_zpsfe603555.jpg.html)I also had him make my food plot just a little bigger. (https://i1325.photobucket.com/albums/u635/Remington760-308/IMG_20140913_161045_zps63f6449a.jpg) (https://s1325.photobucket.com/user/Remington760-308/media/IMG_20140913_161045_zps63f6449a.jpg.html)(https://i1325.photobucket.com/albums/u635/Remington760-308/IMG_20140913_160603_zps49d697dd.jpg) (https://s1325.photobucket.com/user/Remington760-308/media/IMG_20140913_160603_zps49d697dd.jpg.html)(https://i1325.photobucket.com/albums/u635/Remington760-308/IMG_20140913_160339_zpscf7a6dcf.jpg) (https://s1325.photobucket.com/user/Remington760-308/media/IMG_20140913_160339_zpscf7a6dcf.jpg.html)I made a fire wood rack from 2 old pallets / and put a top on it so we can use it for a shelf/table.(https://i1325.photobucket.com/albums/u635/Remington760-308/IMG_20140914_170708_zps84f02fe7.jpg) (https://s1325.photobucket.com/user/Remington760-308/media/IMG_20140914_170708_zps84f02fe7.jpg.html)Made a bench for shoes.(//)(https://i1325.photobucket.com/albums/u635/Remington760-308/IMG_20140914_170748_zps4700bdd5.jpg) (https://s1325.photobucket.com/user/Remington760-308/media/IMG_20140914_170748_zps4700bdd5.jpg.html)GOTTA HAVE A GUN RACK. I made it and my son burnt it with a torch.(https://i1325.photobucket.com/albums/u635/Remington760-308/IMG_20140914_170811_zpsaac9f42e.jpg) (https://s1325.photobucket.com/user/Remington760-308/media/IMG_20140914_170811_zpsaac9f42e.jpg.html)put some skirting up to keep the wind and critters out from under neath ....(https://i1325.photobucket.com/albums/u635/Remington760-308/IMG_20140914_171458_zps0f9840fc.jpg) (https://s1325.photobucket.com/user/Remington760-308/media/IMG_20140914_171458_zps0f9840fc.jpg.html)The wife is done bleaching IT IS NOW CLEAN>(https://i1325.photobucket.com/albums/u635/Remington760-308/IMG_20140914_170137_zps07db4db8.jpg) (https://s1325.photobucket.com/user/Remington760-308/media/IMG_20140914_170137_zps07db4db8.jpg.html)Have a few critters on the game camera- Have about 20 pictures of a rabbit/ a few pics of a raccoon /moose/bear and a couple deer.
;D went to camp this weekend. We found an old clearing that was loaded with rubs last weekend. We went back this weekend and set up a ladder stand with a hang on beside it for youth weekend. We woke up to mid 30 degree weather. By the time we where done it was snowing. Finished up the elec. for upstairs. We now have lights and 2 outlets.... We also caught 1 mouse while we were there...
things have come along very nicely - how far up in NH? i used to live in wolfeboro.. my son and daughter are in the plymouth area.. don't get up to visit often enough, but it is always a treat to head up that way! jt
Post some pictures of your pits if you've finished them, love to see what fellow pitchers have done.
Pocono couple - The camp is close to 2 hours further north. Thank. We have been hunting lately. Done some small projects inside camp. Horse shoe pits never got finished. Next year project. We now have lights upstairs. Even though they are roughed in. Chinked the inside with fiberglass insulation to keep the lady bugs and flies out. Caught 2 more mice.
Haven't posted in a while. Have been working on a few things this winter. Made a 2" thick counter top for bathroom sink. Made sink cabinet out of hard wood pallet. Used a stainless bowl for sink. The wife just put a coat of poly on it. I have also been working on a new center post. It is Spruce. It has a bunch of burls on it. Have it half done. Debarking it with my homemade spud tool made from a truck spring ground down. Works excellent. Also use a grinder with knot wheel on it. My son and I made 2 4x4 hunting blinds. Just got to get permission from a land owner to put them on his land. Don't think it will be a problem though. Bought a mechanical thumb for my backhoe so can clean up the sides of the driveway (rocks). Bought an on demand propane hot water heater Marey brand $229.00. The neighbors have one and it works excellent. HOT SHOWERS😆👍. GETTING EXCITED TO GO BACK TO CAMP.....
Done a bunch since last post....
Photobucket isn't working can't show pics.. keeps shutting down computer....when i get it figured out i will be posting pictures of the new center support post.... sealed up the outside logs.... bathroom sink....hot water assembly..... food plot....
I just came across your post. are you done you place??
ihad the 20x24 in weare nh. have not been on here in along time
Weare nh
Pretty quiet in here these days but some of us still check in ;)
I do videos now instead of text posting but it's still me working on the cabin all these years later (not this thread mind you).
Cheers
Erik