John Raabe here during Thanksgiving 2008:
| (http://www.countryplans.com/images/logo-doing%20more%20with%20less-sml.jpg) | This project thread has won a new type of award! In fact we had to start a whole new category just to give it the credit it deserves :D Larry Kidd and his family have done a great deal with very limited resources and more than a few setbacks. This project uses the core services of a mobile home to provide living space while the house is built around it.
You can scroll down to the bottom of this page and jump to the final page of the thread to see where he is now, or take your time and visit these pages to see how this ongoing story has unfolded. We all wish Larry and his crew the very best this winter and for the years to come.
Thanks to Glenn Kangiser and Don Litten (Peternap) for nominating this project for special recognition. |
• Now back to Larry's story, already in progress...
Hi All,
I'm pretty new here. I have read lots about you all and your projects. I have had a life long dream of having a few acres out in the country and building my own home. Well in Jan 2008 we closed on 36 acres in central Va. More land than I had planned on but it worked out better for the money. We couldn't afford 10 acres closer in. Its realy amazing the differance in land prices for just a few miles. The land we bought is 70 miles from where we live now. We were looking at land closer say 40 miles but the prices were crazy. The first time I saw the land I turned to my wife and told her it was home. :) We kept looking for another six months to make sure. Better yet while we were looking prices were falling on the land we wanted. Here is a picture from the first time we saw the land back in augist 07.
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That was the clincher. This creek makes up one corner of the property. We only own 100-150' along the creek. Another much smaller creek makes up the whole rear property line. The small one is dry some times. But I doubt that Couches creek (the big one in pic) ever goes dry.
The land is all wooded. Mostly hard woods with two stands of evergreens. Mostly cedar and pine totaling 5-7 acres.
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Thats the biggest cleared space on our land when we bought it.
In the next post I will show some of what we have done so far.
Larry
Thanks for looking.
We are planning to build ourselves. We want to do a log house. Don't know at this point if thats what we will end up with. But first there are lots of hurdles to cross. Like there are no services, phone power etc. Not much of a road either. We are two miles from the black top when you turn into our property. Its down an old CCC road built in the 1930s.
Whats was next? Tempory shelter for while we clear and build. Last year someone paid me to haul an old camper out of there yard. So with a little work I got it closed back up to stay in out at the property. Next was getting it into the land. FUN. Had to clear a path for it as we took it in.
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We wanted to sit the camper way back on the right rear corner of the land. Its almost 1/4 mile from the CCC road to the camper.
Here are a few shots from clearing.
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Weel we managed to get the camper in. More or less how we wanted it.
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Next I wanted power and heat. Its winter time here. Brrr
Please remember we are on the smallest budget seen by man kind. So our power system starts out with 6 used golf cart batteries. Don't knock it they worked great. Then a friend gave me some other used batteries.
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These are what we are now using. Gives us a large enough bank for several days before I have to recharge. I still do it every day though. Keeps the batteries in top shape.
I had this storage building that a customer of mine replaced with a larger building. When I built his new building he asked me to get rid of this one. So now its my power shed.
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Last picture also shows we have done some more clearing.
Here you see all the batteries hooked up. I used heavy walled copper pipe for buss bars.
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Here is the cheepO 5000W inverter I got.
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Very important ground rod. This grounds everything including the camper.
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I am no where as neat and orderly as most of you guys here. :-[ Junk stacked behind building.
I charge the batteries with this home built charger.
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And a few solar panels.
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We have three more panels now.
I started out using a generator and battery charger. But it takes for ever and burns lots of gas that way. The charger I built uses a little over 1/2 gallon to recharge the battery bank.
All of this power system can be used when we get the house built. ;D
Next I Ran 6666 wire to the camper.
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You notice two strings of 6666. One of them is for 120V AC and the other is tied into 2 pair and runs 12V DC.
Next post HEAT
Way to go Larry on the post. Looks like it has alot of potential. It is nice to have a stream on the property. But sometimes it can be a real pain. The stream that runs through my property has claimed 25-30 feet of pasture in the last 10 years. One of these days when I hit the lottery I will rip/rap it.
Dodge truck. That is almost identical to the one that I had with the exception of a bent bumper. A real work horse.
Is your land near any National Forrest? The reason I ask is that alot of the CCC roads are in or near National Forrest.
Is the tractor yours or rental? You can do alot of work with it.
Look forward to subsequent post as you progress.
John
I built us a wood furnace for heat. A bit unconventional for a camper. But it would also work great for a small cabin.
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Here is what it looks like inside.
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Couldn't resist. This is Savannah (my youngest) and shep a dog that just showed up one day. Then stayed four days with us before leaving.
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I use one 12V fan to exchange the heated air into the camper. Realy don't need it. Convection works pretty well. Goes all night one one loading. ;D
Next Water
Larry looks like you have enough land to qualify for an estate farm. Clear some for pasture. Got the water. Take advantage of the tax break on the farm expense. My road, bridge and alot is deductible here.
We have running water all around us but none to wash our hands or baith with. So with a few hundred feet of sprinkler pipe and a 12V pump I brought water in from the small creek. Store it in 2 55 gal drums then pressurize the camper with an automatic RV pump. Whats amazing is that one little pump drawing less than 10 amps got water up a large hill (40-50ft) and a 230ft. long pipe.
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I will have to get pictures of the rest of the system. Thought I had them but I was wrong. ???
Larry
Cool furnace and practical invention. :D
Thanks for the photos and overview.
Hey John,
Just saw you posts. Yes the old Dodge is a worn out old horse. :D I pull my tractor all over the place working. You guessed it the tractor is mine got it last Dec. I have a little Co. called Outdoor Specialties doing all kinds of around the home projects for people, from swimming pools to storage buildings and a lot of small clearing jobs. No we are not near any forest land that I know of. But we are about 30 miles from two big lakes. ;D Oh and I've got the bent bumper its just on the other end. ;) I don't know much about the farming codes or farming at all. We plan to clear a minimum of 10 acres for a big garden and pasture land. My wife wants all the animals too. You know horses, chickens, goats, pigs, cows and the list goes on. I am not so sure about all the animals. I figure there are plenty enough in the woods around us. Better yet I don't have to feed and care for them.
Tractor chainsaw and chain are doing all the clearing I'm just along for the ride. I hope to start building some time this year but thats not a realistic goal. We are going to try and build a log house with a stone basement with timber and rock off the land. If I do a pole style building don't have to have a permit in this county. But I doubt that will fly for a house. I know someone who is going to try it just down the road from us though.
If I can remember to keep the camera handy you all will end up tired of clearing pictures. I figure I have about 18 months of clearing ahead. Plenty to keep busy on each visit up.
Thanks for you comments.
Larry
Quote from: John Raabe on April 06, 2008, 02:43:51 PM
Cool furnace and practical invention. :D
Thanks for the photos and overview.
Boy you guys are quick. I was just posting to John Redoverfarms then saw your post. Thanks for the comments. Hopefully I will have lots to post along as we go since we are doing everything DYI style. The furnace will run you out of the camper. Might do something like it when we do the house. Now thats it done there are several things I would change if I did it again. Live and learn.
Larry
Larry check your PM box as I sent you one.
John,
I got your PM and sent you one back. I am planning on checking out the farm(ing) prospects for us. It sounds like it will work for us from what you wrote.
Guys,
I'm going crazy here. Haven't been out to the property in over a week on account of the weather. Its been raining for days on end, not steady but enough to ruin out side plans. Not to mention enough to make the CCC road going in a super size mess. I had to leave my tractor there when we left it was raining and hasn't dried up since. I need to go get it for work but I am trying to wait so I don't tear up the road so bad.
Has anyone here built a log home off the land so to speek? We have enough timber and stone to build a stone foundation and log home. That is if I can find the energy to do all the work. I have a few friends who have said they will help when they have the time. I'm not going to hold my breath. ;) I would be intrested in hearing from anyone who has built using logs and or natural stone.
I have been reading about all the cabins cottages and homes you all are building. Great projects.
Thanks
Larry
Looks like a great property. You're damn creative to come up with those ideas for heat and water. Good job.
Mine is built with local materials including logs, mud and dirt. Not exactly conventional. Logs were mostly not from my property but were from the local area. Not a real log cabin, but post and beam and boards from the logs. I have my own sawmill.
http://countryplans.com/smf/index.php?topic=151.0
Quote from: ScottA on April 07, 2008, 06:30:25 PM
Looks like a great property. You're damn creative to come up with those ideas for heat and water. Good job.
Thanks Scott. Its been interesting. Lots of fun about 2 weeks ago when my wife went through the front window of the camper. 20 min. wait for the local rescue squad after we got out to the black top and 30 min to the hospital with the vain on the back of her hand ripped wide open. I have to take her to have the stiches out this AM. A good first aid kit saved her life. I have never seen so much blood from a cut.
Glenn,
I have looked at some of your underground house. Its real neat. I'm thinking it would stay a bit wet in our area if we tried to do the same. I will have to go back and read the rest of it. I seem to have plenty of time with all the rain we have been getting. Thanks for the link.
Larry
Take care of the wife. That's scary.
Underground is not practical for everyone, but we like it.
Using local materials can be done above ground too, unless you are dealing with codes. Codes are designed to make you support the corporations and buy their goods.
Quote from: glenn kangiser on April 09, 2008, 01:24:03 AM
Take care of the wife. That's scary.
Underground is not practical for everyone, but we like it.
Using local materials can be done above ground too, unless you are dealing with codes. Codes are designed to make you support the corporations and buy their goods.
Glenn,
It was real scary.
Underground is not a bad option realy. I'm not sure what kind of trouble we will have with building codes. I may try to avoid the whole mess with county officals and just build. If we can get an address without having a house on the property first thats probably what I'll do. If not well I don't know.
Larry
NEW GENERATOR:
HI all,
Most of you know we use a battery bank and inverter for power at our place in the country. But some times it makes more sence to run a gen. for large loads and 220V. My old Genrac 3500 has been having voltage spikes and in general is worn out. So I ordered this.
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You can see it had .3 hours where it was test run. Then they drain all fluids before shipping.
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So far I am five hours into the 20 hour break in peroid. Just did the second oil change. I know crazy but whats a quart and a half of oil. They recomend an oil change at 20 hours and every 100 after that. But when an engine is new I like to change the factory oil out first, which it was dry when I got it. Then I like to do the first actual change at 5 hours then 20 after that I go to the regular maintenance scedual. Its not an expensive unit but should last many years with good service. One of the main things I wanted it for was running my 220V MIG Welder. It should have no problem with that. My 3500 Genrac would just manage to run it. The other reason is AC I know in the evenings I like to be cool during hot weather and running AC off a battery bank just doesn't seem wise. At least untill I get some hydro or wind power to suppliment our other charging systems.
Its not a super efficent unit either but it will give me the oppertunity to play with alternitive fuels. I end up with lots of waste oil and may try WVO at some point too.
Thanks for looking
Larry
You can't run much of an air conditioner off a battery bank for very long, even if you have a large bank of batteries.
My 13.5 BTU Carrier RV A/C sucks about 12-13 amps while running.
Thats a nice Diesel Generator! Looks like it would make a nice stand by/back up system. I have been running my good old 6000 watt Generac Briggs for 9 days now at around 5-6 gals a day of gas just to cut wood on the place. Mark
Larry, we just got a PO Box and did what we want, but you may be too far out for that? Mail isn't delivered here on the mountain anyway, even if we wanted it. About 2 miles to the rural boxes - 4 to the PO.
Don,
You can't run much of an air conditioner off a battery bank for very long, even if you have a large bank of batteries.
Very true. The only way Ac will really work off a battery bank is with a good hydro system. Or a couple hundred thousand in solar panels.
My 13.5 BTU Carrier RV A/C sucks about 12-13 amps while running.
Thats a lot of juce. I was thinking a 6000 BTU heat pump type window unit that has heat too. I have one thats 8000BTU in my kitchen that works great and is fairly eff. I'm spoiled some comforts I'm not planning to do without. I also have MS and the heat drains me quick.
Willy,
Thanks. I like it so far but haven't put it to work yet. They have some of them prewired to run as stand by sets. I know what you mean about that gas and Generacs. They are pigs. I also have a bitty little 1000 W that just sips on fuel. I've over loaded it so many times I burned up the circut breaker. But when I just need to run something small its the way to go.
Larry
Glenn,
The thing I'm worried about is school for my daughters. Otherwise thats what I would do. If the schools will allow a PO box then that would be the way to go. I'll have to check on that. Thanks.
Larry
Quote from: BiggKidd on April 09, 2008, 11:17:53 PM
with a good hydro system.
I never remember that hydro's a good alternate power source as I've been in the desert too long and I don't have a stream I can use in the mountains. Would be a nice dependable, run forever, source of power. :)
I don't see where they can have any power over you for that, Larry. Just give them a Google Earth shot of the location and a PO Box and tell them that's all they get -- tough cookies. :)
Re the address: Frequently the first thing they want to set up is the "911" address for emergency vehicles. Here in my county at least that can be had for $5 without actually applying for any permits of any kind. There's a county office that coordinates, registers and gives those out. You need that before applying for any water, septic, etc permits, but it can be had as a stand alone.
We just told them we were camping on the property in the summer and they were fine with that.
Don't forget wind generators. I have been passing by a small shack -- maybe phone repeater or something with a small wind generator and PV. That little generator has been running full blast every time I went by and not over 20 feet up.
You can build your own -- add them together and multiple small ones is better than one big one.
Here's one link to a small wind plant. This one is not cheap but could be a good model for something less expensive.
http://www.solarhaven.org/WindGenerator.htm
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Don,
Yep hydro may turn into an option for us here on the east coast. We have one small creek and one large creek. Both of them are on the property lines. That may have a little impact on what we can do and keep. There are other problems with hydro for us too. But I am still checking into it. I would have a better chance if I knew more about electricity and how things work. The mechanical side I have no problem with.
Glenn,
Show them a pic and PO I know that wouldn't fly here where I live now. It might just there though. I am going to try and get a 911 address first. I haven't had a chance do do any checking around locally yet. No time to much to do when we are there.
John,
Good point. Wind is in our future too. Its just not as high on my list of things to do. Need to get a lot of land cleared before wind will work. We do have a little breeze most of the times we have been there.
Thanks for all the good tips guys. [cool]
Larry
Wow, Larry, what a pretty piece of land. I agree... I would've walked onto it and said it looked like home too. Looks like you all are making good progress. How old are your kids? Don't know what homeschooling laws are like there, but it is something to consider if you don't want to run into issues with the schools... Look forward to more of your posts.
The main problem here is without proof of address you can't register your kids in the local school division. You need a local physical address, a PO Box doesn't count. You can use a PO Box for getting mail sent to, but a physical is needed to register.
Quote from: Homegrown Tomatoes on April 11, 2008, 10:29:54 PM
Wow, Larry, what a pretty piece of land. I agree... I would've walked onto it and said it looked like home too. Looks like you all are making good progress. How old are your kids? Don't know what homeschooling laws are like there, but it is something to consider if you don't want to run into issues with the schools... Look forward to more of your posts.
Thanks we like it. It just feels right. My girls Kyrstin is 8 as of Wed and Savannah will be 3 in Sept. Neither my wife or I have what it takes to teach the kids mostly we don't have the patientce (sp).
Thanks
Larry
Quote from: MountainDon on April 11, 2008, 10:51:59 PM
The main problem here is without proof of address you can't register your kids in the local school division. You need a local physical address, a PO Box doesn't count. You can use a PO Box for getting mail sent to, but a physical is needed to register.
You hit the nail on the head. It might not be as bad out there in Lunenburg but here where we live now they want all kinds of proof where you live because of people trying to get thier kids in the better schools. The school Kyrstin goes to is not the worst by far but its bad enough. I will never forget last year we had a problem with other kids putting holes in the back of Kyrstins clothes. The principle had to investimigate. Not investigate. A lot of times the teachers also grade the papers incorrectly. Its just a bad seen all the way around. Kyrstin is one of three white kids in her grade with a total of eight in the whole school. So as you can imagine she gets picked on constantly. Thats just one of the reasons we want to move.
Thanks
Larry
My husband read this thread with great interest the other night and is impressed with your ingenuity. ;D We look forward to the updates as you progress.
Homegrown Tomatoes,
Thanks. If I ever get back out to do some more. It seems like things are running me these days. Work and rain are keeping me away. I think you post on a few other sites I go to sometimes. Hows the hunt for land going?
Larry
Still looking... it'll be a little while yet because we are expecting our third child next month, so things will get a little busy for a while before we can find a place. Found a couple of pretty places yesterday, but have to wait until DH can go with me to check some of them out before we make any moves.
Homegrown,
Congrats on the third baby. We stopped at two, so counting Nickole (my wife) I have three. She is a bit younger (9yrs.) than I am. :) Good luck with your hunt for a new home.
Larry
Well guys no luck so far on an address. They want us to have the foundation in first. I am going to try and talk with the person incharge next time we go up.
In the mean time heres an update on what we have been doing.
New Trail To Couches Creek
Hi Guys,
We cleared a new trail this weekend. It goes down to Couches creek. With twists and turns I would guess its about 1/4 mile.
Here are some pics. (click pic for full size)
Keep in mind we make these trails so our daughters can ride them also.
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The first pic is a bit of trail we have been using. 2) Is where the old trail and the new split old left new right. 3) Is new
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In the 1 and 3 pic you cans see the blaze orange marks for the kids to follow until the trails get worn in. The 2 pic is where we split back to an old trail or keep strait to stay on this trail. The 4 pic is a tree stand some one left me. ;) There are several more on our land.
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When you get to the marks close together its time to stop. If you reach the red XX you better be stopped or your gonna get wet. ;D BWT Check out the slope of that hill.
Get ready heres what you came down that hill for.
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This is what it looked like before clearing.
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Here were my two helpers for this clearing project.
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Of course my wife hides behind a tree.
Larry
The trail looks good, Larry. The brush looks similar to the brush I'm going through with a machete and Ryobi chain saw to try to find the lost mine.
Larry the lay of the land looks good. Doesn't appear to be straight up/down as a lot of the land around here. If you like to hunt rodents then I would clear too much out maybe just around the stands a little.
Larry,
I noticed the spelling of your daughter's name. Is it pronounced "curr -sten" or "kier-stin"? I only ask because our oldest is Kursten. We spelled it that way so everyone would know how to pronounce it, and to be just a little different :) . It's funny, we run into plenty of "Kurstens" here and there and none are spelled the same way twice. Yours was just a little different and I thought, wow, it might be a "curr-sten" too. I do imagine with the "y" it is, the "kier-sten" though.
Scott
I cleared off about a 40x60 turnaround near the mine area, and the rodents have already taken over. This one sat there for several minutes while I fooled with my camera and took pix. Low light in the jungle there so telephoto wasn't great. About 30 feet away.
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Glenn,
The trail looks good, Larry. The brush looks similar to the brush I'm going through with a machete and Ryobi chain saw to try to find the lost mine.
Thanks. I feel for ya with that machette. Ryobi chainsaw ? Electric or battery? Didn't even know they made a chain saw.
John,
Thank you The land is rolling not a flat spot to be found. On the other hand your right most of its not to steep either. Pretty much just what we were looking for when we found it. :)
Felt like home the min. we saw it got really lucky and were able to get it.
Larry
Quote from: phalynx on May 12, 2008, 05:12:53 PM
Larry,
I noticed the spelling of your daughter's name. Is it pronounced "curr -sten" or "kier-stin"? I only ask because our oldest is Kursten. We spelled it that way so everyone would know how to pronounce it, and to be just a little different :) . It's funny, we run into plenty of "Kurstens" here and there and none are spelled the same way twice. Yours was just a little different and I thought, wow, it might be a "curr-sten" too. I do imagine with the "y" it is, the "kier-sten" though.
Scott
We pronounce it Curr-sten. I blame my wife I knew nothing.........
Glenn,
I like the look of that rodent in your pic they can camp out at my place until I get them in the cross hare then its dinner time. [hungry]
Larry
That was one of the larger rodents I've seen around here. That is a method I use for keeping the meat fresh-- let them run the life support system for the meat.
The Ryobi 10 inch chain saw is from the 18 volt 1 plus series - I added it to my set. It takes the normal batteries and LIon, but the new LIon batteries last long enough that I am able to go with one battery and clear trail using it every few minutes for an hour or so without running out. Oiler top broke but thats all thats wrong so far. I decided to oil it once in a while manually as otherwise oil gets all over anyway and the chain speed is pretty slow. Most of the brush I cut is oily - Manzanita - Chemise - etc. No problem so far.
Quote from: glenn kangiser on May 13, 2008, 09:11:11 PM
That was one of the larger rodents I've seen around here. That is a method I use for keeping the meat fresh-- let them run the life support system for the meat.
The Ryobi 10 inch chain saw is from the 18 volt 1 plus series - I added it to my set. It takes the normal batteries and LIon, but the new LIon batteries last long enough that I am able to go with one battery and clear trail using it every few minutes for an hour or so without running out. Oiler top broke but thats all thats wrong so far. I decided to oil it once in a while manually as otherwise oil gets all over anyway and the chain speed is pretty slow. Most of the brush I cut is oily - Manzanita - Chemise - etc. No problem so far.
Live on the hoof is FRESH!!! [hungry]
I wonder how that Ryobi would handle the ironwood we are cutting. I know it sends sparks off the chain of my Echo. [shocked] But I bet thats a lot liter than my Echo. An hours run time isn't bad at all. I think I fill up 2 or 3 times an hour when stedy cutting.
Larry
That hour runtime is interspersed with lots of machete work.
I know it runs much longer than the old batteries and the old one cut about 20 - 4" oak rounds per charge. I would guess this will do about 40 or more. It's not real heavy duty but still quite handy.
Sent you a PM Larry...your place is looking great! Wish we could get that ammount of land up here.
Akemt,
I got your PM and sent you one. Thanks we like our land spent years looking for just the right place. Thought I found it once before but things fell through because I got sick. So never give up you might just walk onto your place one day and say this is home. I hope you find what your looking for soon.
Larry
I don't Think Jinma intended their tractors for this but here are three bad videos. ;) Beware some of the language is rated (R).
While I sit here and wait for my slow A$$ puter to load them. This was the first time we had one of our friends out to the place Darren and his daughter came out for the weekend.
We only got a little clearing done but a little is better than none. Mostly we showed them around some of our land. The camera gave us trouble all weekend so not to many pics. :( For some reason the batteries die for no apparent reason when we are there. The camera and my GPS have the same symptoms. Oh cell phones too. Just charged or new batteries are dead in an hour or so. Its weird or just my imagination. ::)
Well I almost have the videos loaded and I am disappointed the tree actually coming down is not on there. But I think you get the idea. This is the biggest tree I have strait pulled out of the ground without first digging around it. I think Darren says it all there in the second video. ;D
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I tell you it sure was nice to have some help. If I had the extra $$$$ I would hire Darren for the summer. We cleared a space about 40X70 that day. Not all the way clear but down to the small stuff less than 1.5 inches.
You know I might just be pushing the limits of my little Jinma. ;)
Larry
Tough one, Larry. What kind of tree is/was that? Root system? Tap root?
We pushed over a lot of Ponderosa Pines last year using the raised bucket on the skid steer. That worked pretty goof most of the time, but Ponderosa's don't have a tap root; they simply spread out all over. I thought pushing was better than pulling, but then I'm 'gun shy' around cables, chains and ropes under tension as I've seen first hand the damage a broken cable can do. Not pretty.
Don,
I prefer (sp) pushing also get more traction that way. But after trashing two (2) loader buckets in the last year I'll stick with a chain. I am not sure what type of tree that was. I just call them notty pines but Darren told me it was a Fur. It did have a large tap root. This field we are clearing is mostly 95% evergreens. I would guess you know by now I go with gut feelings a lot. My gut tells me this is one of the few places on our land that will perk. If it doesn't that just means we will decide wether we want to move the house or go with a composting toilet. I think at this point my wife and I both would like to put the house in a small ravine or valley on the side of that area. We still would like to have a full basement. I wonder if that little tractor will make it. I plan to use it for everything.
As to the chains I've only ever seen one break. That was all I needed you notice the backhoe is raised high enough to be in line with me and NO one stands any closer than 1/2 again the chains length. Thats one of the reasons the videos were so bad. The camera messing up constantly didn't help. That would have been a single video if it had been working right.
Thanks
Larry
Looks like you were having fun. The inspector here said that places where trees grow good are many times good for drain fields.
We started installing a water line this weekend. We had temporary water from a smaller creek closer to camp. But thats dried up now. Ok so heres the story. We have a creek (Big Creek) about 700 or so feet from our camp.
So first we needed as strait and easy as possible trail from the creek to camp.
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We cleared about 300 feet of trail going around the bigger trees. We are using the little craftsman tractor as you see because its easier to jump on and go and with the little trailer carries more IE chainsaws gas oil water, and Savannah & Nickole. Kyrstin was at my moms this weekend. About 30 min before dark Sat. I started trenching.
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You can see some rub marks on the trees where it was a tad tight going through the trail. ;D Thats all we got done Friday & Saturday. Other than putting an AC unit in the camper. Yes we ran it off the battery bank. Its been high 90's and low 100's here with high humidity.
Sunday we started again at daylight. Got another 200 ft. of trench dug.
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We are doing as much as we can with the back hoe but at least 150+ feet are going to have to be hand dug just to steep. The tractor looses oil pressure.
But that was our weekend. I'll post more about it as we go along. Still trying to decide weather to run wire from the power shed or to set up an independent power system. Can anyone tell me what size wire to use to run the pump 8 amp load at 120V figure 800 foot max. The other option is to use that 1200W inverter and batteries I already have. The biggest problem with this is the amount of space I will have to clear for the solar panels.
One last thing I would like to brag on the LW-7 Hoe. It kicks butt. This is the first time I used it for anything much more than stumps. I dug around 200ft. of trench in about 8 hours 5 in the am gave it an hour to cool off and another 3 hours. The trench is an average 24" deep some a bit deeper when I would get carried away. I know a lot of people hate their LW7 but I love mine. If I was to change it I think first I would run a cooler on it them maybe help out the left & right swing. At 1600 RPM its strong and fast and can run all day. At 1800 its stronger and faster but overheats. Just remembered I need to tighten up all the little nuts on the controls I noticed they were loose as we were leaving.
A very worn out.
Larry ;)
PS Anyone have any experiance with these water filter purifiers that make ground water drinkable?
Looks a bit labor intensive even with the hoe, Larry. I think Don may be familiar with the filters,
If you went with 10ga copper you would have about a 16 Volt drop at 8 Amps. 6ga copper would be about a 6 Volt drop. I take it the 8 Amps is running current, which means you will have 3 to 10 times the voltage drop when the motor starts. It may still run OK.
Here is another idea. Instead of setting up a solar system at the creek, run 14ga or 12ga underground rated wire and use it to run a trickle charger to keep a battery at the creek topped off to run the pump. If you run wire, come out of the ground with a junction box every couple hundred feet or so. That will allow you to figure out where a fault is if you ever have one and you could put lights down the trail if you wanted. 8) Also consider running another set of wires if you ever want to start the pump with the battery setup by remote control.
You might consider using a 12volt pump instead of the inverter or if you have a big enough tank at the camp, use a gasoline pump and start it by hand when the tank gets low.
These posts are just great. If we were younger we'd be doing the same thing.
Have you thought about building a tree house? Is your property prone to flooding?
1. Electrical question. Maybe I missed something in my catchup rush...
First think of voltage drop in terms of percents. For DC systems you'd try to limit the drop to 2% max; AC systems 5% max. So 800 feet, 8 amps, 5% = 4 AWG. 3% drop = 3 AWG. Those are big cables and even bigger price tags High voltge drops = high motor temperatures IIRC.
So is this pump at the creek where the water is drawn? And it's 800 feet from the power. Power you generate yourself? A high efficiency DC pump with its own little solar array or wind generator plus batteries atc. maight be the way to go. ???
2. Water filtration. There are treatment units that use special UV lamps to sterilize the water as it is drawn through the filter system. No chlorine or chemicals involved. There are also ceramic filters that use gravity but these are meant for low volume users. Sorry, I seem to have misplaced my bookmarks on water treatment. It is very important though; ground water can carry some bad $hit and make you very ill.
Or like was suggested use a large holding tank and a gas pump to fill it as necessary; although I don't like the idea of using gasoline that way.
Well,
We forgot the camera this weekend. d* Really didn't get much done. Did do about another 100' with the hoe. So now its on to digging by hand. Still have more to do with the back hoe but that has to run through areas we use to drive the ATVs and small tractor down to the creek so I want to leave it until last.
It looks like we are going to go ahead and set up another small power station there. Which will be good for other things I am sure as the years roll by. Went back to home depot and got 1" pipe and brought the 3/4" pipe back home to take back this week. It looks like using the 3/4" pipe would have cost us almost 1/2 of the flow that the 1" should allow. I got the compass out and we will have to remove some rather large trees to get enough light in there. But thats ok as we can use the wood for either lumber (after we get a mill) or fire wood. Its not going to be as bad as I first thought. The creek runs out of the North to the South. So if I clear from the creek back east and south to the small creek that should give us enough sun in there for our panels. While not having to open up a huge area. :) We did start digging out the area where the pump house is going to go. Once thats clear we will start digging up the hill side to where the tractor can get to with the hoe.
Thanks guys for all the tips and help.
Larry
Quote from: TheWire on June 12, 2008, 09:57:51 AM
If you went with 10ga copper you would have about a 16 Volt drop at 8 Amps. 6ga copper would be about a 6 Volt drop. I take it the 8 Amps is running current, which means you will have 3 to 10 times the voltage drop when the motor starts. It may still run OK.
Here is another idea. Instead of setting up a solar system at the creek, run 14ga or 12ga underground rated wire and use it to run a trickle charger to keep a battery at the creek topped off to run the pump. If you run wire, come out of the ground with a junction box every couple hundred feet or so. That will allow you to figure out where a fault is if you ever have one and you could put lights down the trail if you wanted. 8) Also consider running another set of wires if you ever want to start the pump with the battery setup by remote control.
You might consider using a 12volt pump instead of the inverter or if you have a big enough tank at the camp, use a gasoline pump and start it by hand when the tank gets low.
Hey thinks for the #s I've never been good at figuring out electrical systems. Looks like we are opting to go with a second power system. We have most of the parts to set it up in hand. This also gives us power down there where later on we would like to build a deak and gazebo.
Larry
Quote from: MountainDon on June 12, 2008, 10:55:02 PM
1. Electrical question. Maybe I missed something in my catchup rush...
First think of voltage drop in terms of percents. For DC systems you'd try to limit the drop to 2% max; AC systems 5% max. So 800 feet, 8 amps, 5% = 4 AWG. 3% drop = 3 AWG. Those are big cables and even bigger price tags High voltge drops = high motor temperatures IIRC.
So is this pump at the creek where the water is drawn? And it's 800 feet from the power. Power you generate yourself? A high efficiency DC pump with its own little solar array or wind generator plus batteries atc. maight be the way to go. ???
2. Water filtration. There are treatment units that use special UV lamps to sterilize the water as it is drawn through the filter system. No chlorine or chemicals involved. There are also ceramic filters that use gravity but these are meant for low volume users. Sorry, I seem to have misplaced my bookmarks on water treatment. It is very important though; ground water can carry some bad $hit and make you very ill.
Or like was suggested use a large holding tank and a gas pump to fill it as necessary; although I don't like the idea of using gasoline that way.
Don,
Looks like we are opting for the inverter set up because it gives up power for other needs down the road. If it comes down to it I can always carry the generator down there to power the pump when we need to pump a lot of water. Still playing with the possibility of pulling some power out of that creek some day.. It sure moves a lot of water. But right now I am in a hurry to get wash water and then drinking water. :) I have found lots of info on filter systems but first I would like to talk with someone whos done it.
If you can believe it I had to cut the grass again this weekend. But its starting to die with the lack of watering. So I need to get back in gear and get this finished before my grass I worked my butt off to get growing dies.
Larry
Hi Guys,
We just got back from a long week at the farm. Had the building inspector up to try and get an address. It looks promising. :)
First Jamie the inspector told me they don't issue addresses until there is at minimum a foundation in. But he said he would meet us and take a look and listen to our plans. So he came out Friday afternoon at 2:00 PM. He took a look around saw what we have done so far and listened with an open mind to what we would like to do. He did tell us that we would have trouble building a log house off the land. Mainly because the materials have to have the stamp of approval from the man.
So heres where we stand now. Jamie is working on getting us an address. [cool] The down side is now the county has to name our road since there will be more than two houses on it once we build. Which means that the folks that live there now will have to change their address. Hopefully they wont mind to much and raise a stink.
We also have the neighbor looking at some areas we marked out to have timbered. He is a retired timber cruser. He also has someone lined up to timber 25 acres for him and if the price is right we will have them timber about 10 acres for us at the same time. This is area we had planned to clear ourselves but this will help to speed up the process. This is area we want to use for pasture so its not as importaint that the stumps are gone like many areas we want for garden house etc. The up side is this is fairly hilly area that would be difficult for me to work on.
We told Jamie that we want to homestead until we get the house built he didn't seem to have any problem with that. We explained that in order to build we needed to sell the house we live in now.
Next Nickole and I are now looking at the two story universal plans. This would get us in a place there much sooner. Not to mention a lot less work. But its still not our dream home. But in talking with Jamie I kind of mentioned that we might go ahead and build a conventional house and build our log home later down the road. He gave me the impression that he wouldn't have to know about that house. Jamie seems like a good guy and long as we are strait up with him he seems like he is willing to work with us. He mentioned that we might have some trouble getting utilities out there but then realized the we already had power and was rather impressed. We are now upto 225W of solar panels. We also mentioned that we were going to get satalite phone and internet and wouldn't be bringing any utilities in, he had no problem with that.
While we were ther we did get the water line from the creek hooked up and running. I am ashamed to admit that we haven't dug all the trench yet but we do have water. :D We also got the kids one of those little 10' X 30" blow up ring pools and put that up. That takes some of the strain of entertaining them all the time off. c* Now I have to get all the junk that goes along with a pool ie vac., skimmer & chemicals. d* But now they are occupied for a while.
We also carried our golf cart up there since no one bought it and I am so glad they didn't. It goes just fine all over the place even up the worst hills we have.
The next big hurdle I see is the health inspector and a septic system. But like all bridges we will cross that when we get there.
So all in all things are moving along nicely. I can't wait to get back this weekend.
Larry
Way to go Larry. Hope you don't take the kids pool for a water storage tank. Keep us posted. I find it hard to believe that they would not let you use your own timber for the house. Doesn't sound right to me but I am in the part that seperated from Virginia.
Sounds like you are making good progress. I bet there is a workaround to use your timber. You might have to get an engineer to sign off on your plans though. Inspectors don't like unknowns. With graded stamped lumber they know what works and what doesn't with logs there are too many unknowns. Good planning putting in the pool first so the kids can keep cool while you work.
Quote from: Redoverfarm on July 01, 2008, 10:37:04 AM
Way to go Larry. Hope you don't take the kids pool for a water storage tank. Keep us posted. I find it hard to believe that they would not let you use your own timber for the house. Doesn't sound right to me but I am in the part that seperated from Virginia.
Believe me John that using pools for water storage has crossed my mind. d* But I think the frogs and kids would mind. Yeah the timber thing just seems like more trouble than its worth. There is plenty of space for more than one house so I think thats what we are going to do. The timber has to be cerified for building with a permit. ??? Va has more and more BS rules all the time but I feel the Inspector is willing to work with us and thats all I can hope for. We had planned on building two or three houses there before its all done anyway so this really doesn't put that big a crimp in our plans. We need a place for our families when they get older and it suits us better if they are not right in the same space as we are. Since I expect my mom and Nickoles to end up living with us way down the road. Neither of them has anyone else. Cindy ( Nickoles Mom ) has two other children but they are not real stable in life at this time. That may change. I say with fingers crossed. With 36 acres divided right it should work out and other than the one house built to code to keep everyone happy the rest of what we do will stay our buisness. I hope. If we use the woods as breaks then there is no reason to even see them unless the family is getting together for this or that. I just have to keep this all in mind when we build certain things like the power system. Instead of having two or three seperate systems one central system would be cheaper I think. This will require cordination with things like washing clothes, and running high draw appliances. The only good thing about all this is I have time after building the first house, before I have to start on the next big project.
I am getting the distinct feeling I 've bitten off more than I want to chew. [shocked][hungry] ??? But when this project started it was a lot smaller than its becoming.
Scott,
Thanks. Most everything here has to be approved far as plans go unless its a pole building. Yep thats just what Jamie said about the timber / lumber.
Had to do more things where the kids could entertain themselves. The pool was fast and cheap. Next I think a swing set. But if they are playing then they arn't likely to get hurt being under foot while building. Nice thing about the pool is we can drain it and move it to different areas while building. That way we can keep an eye on them. Wonder what we can come up with to keep them buisy during cold weather?
Larry
Larry there is probably saw mills in the area that cut logs for homes to sell in kits. I know there are several in this area. Might check with them and work a trade for timber for logs that are approved. Or even see who does their certification and have your logs done by them. Just a thought.
Sounds like a very ambitious project more than originally posted. The only thing I can say is to take one step at a time and make yourself confortable first and then if you have the energy and resources go after the others.
Let the fun begin.
Thanks for the update, Larry.
Quote from: Redoverfarm on July 01, 2008, 05:03:59 PM
Larry there is probably saw mills in the area that cut logs for homes to sell in kits. I know there are several in this area. Might check with them and work a trade for timber for logs that are approved. Or even see who does their certification and have your logs done by them. Just a thought.
Sounds like a very ambitious project more than originally posted. The only thing I can say is to take one step at a time and make yourself confortable first and then if you have the energy and resources go after the others.
John,
Thats a great idea. I'll have to see who supplies log home logs and see what I can do. Thanks.
Your right its more than I had planned and with some issues (health) it is a lot to take on. I don't know what else to do. My mother in law nearly had to move in our home a week or so ago due to problems at her home. I think all thats ok now and haven't heard any more about it. I wish I could quit worring about the rest of the family and concentrait on just us but that doesn't seem likely.
Here lately it seems like the whole world is on its ear trying to decide weather to get back up after a knock out punch. I have had less work this summer so far than I ever remember. People are just trying to hang on to the money they have. No ones spending much outside the home for extras like we provide. Might be time to find a new line of work....
Thanks for the tip about the logs. I'll keep you all updated as I learn more.
Larry
Work is a whole US problem as they have pretty well destroyed the economy. Hope it works out for you Larry.
Hi Guys,
We had to stay home this weekend and part of the week. First due to the holidays and second to have our AC warrentied. It crapped out with two years of full coverage left. So they have to replace it. Soon I hope its hot in here.
But since we were home and trying to keep things going we ordered the two story universal 20 wide plans. Now to figure out if we can afford to have a full basement too. That would be awesome. I can't wait to get the plans in my hands. Now I'm off to look for one of the water filtration units.
Hope everyone is having a great day.
Larry
Hi All,
We got our plans from John very quick. Of course the building inspector was on vaction. So I just got to talk with him this AM. Heres what I found out. Before we can get our building permit we have to get well and septic permits. The building permit is cheap enough @ $0.10 a square foot for living space and $0.04 for porches and decks. But its a $50 application fee for the septic & well and then the state gets about another $500 in fees on top of that. These are the prices for a owner builder permit in Lunenburg.
The down side is that this morning the inspector tells me that we might not be able to get permits because not everywhere perks in the county. OH great. I 'm about at the point where I'm going to just build what I want and let them fine me after the fact. But as my wife says that still doesn't help with the address. Jamie (inspector) tried to get us one without a house but his boss put a stop to that, says that we have to have the foundation in first. Which puts the screws to getting Kyrstin in school there this year. We are still looking for ways around this if anyone has any ideas. Even better school starts there two weeks sooner than it does here. So we only have about three weeks to get something done.
I'll post more as I find things out. When we have access to the net.
Larry
Larry arn't you already living in the camper. If you can show that you have a residence on the site then you should be able to get the address on that irregardless of the new foundation. Done all the time here. A house is a house whether it is a camper or mansion.
John,
We are living there part time. But they don't consider that a home. I'm sure its just a money thing. They want thier cut!!! I would love to be there full time NOW. But still have to sell my house in the city and make a little money from time to time. Need to get some work going there ASAP. Then we wont have much holding us back.
One thing that stinks is we wont have internet for a while after we move.
Thanks
Larry
Hi guys I know I don't write on here often (I let biggkidd do it) but I made a bunch of phone calls this am and one of them was to the elementry school in Victoria. The lady I spoke to was really helpfull and when I explained our situation she said she didn't see a problem with us enrolling Kyrstin for next year even with out an actiual address. She told me to pick up Kyrstins records from here and bring them out when we come back. I have a meeting for next week. [cool] :) 8) I was so excited I had to call larry at work and put him in a better mood too. So school starts there Aug. 25th, Where hear it's sometime after 1st of Sept. So we are Really Happy all the pieces are finally falling into place. :) Looks like we are moving into the camper for the time being but hey we'll be able to get more work done while we are there instead of running back and fourth. Now to sell the House in Richmond..... Keep your fingers crossed for us.
Nickole
That's great, Nickole. Glad things are looking up. We enjoy hearing from you.
I'm not sure how they do things there but I was able to get an address through the people that run 911 emergency services. Here it is an ambulance company. I just called them, gave the address on either side of me and they gave me a address number. Seems to me if you have a camper on the property they must give you an address for 911 to use.
The first people I had to deal with was the Property Valuation Office to get the address before I could get any utility work done.
After that they "kept the road hot" worried to death that I would do something they would forget to charge me taxes on! So far they have missed 2 pole barns on the property because they do not get out of the car and look around. Local Government at work.
Bruce
Way to go, Bruce.
Hi All,
I just wanted to let you all know we are moving out to the land for good here in about nine days. Nickole and I took Kyrstin up to the school and got her enrolled in school. School there starts the 25th of this month. We have to be there by the 21st. for meet and greet the teachers etc.
I am not sure how long it will be until we have internet service again once we move. Thanks to all of you who gave advice along the way. I will try to keep notes on the building process. No more pictures until we get a new camera Savannah stepped on Nickoles and broke it. We have another old digital camera but I'm not sure it will work with my computer. Well I just checked the card and it does work so we will try and get pics too. That is if the computer will run off the inverter we have. It will still be a while before I can set up a computer there as space is limited.
On another note we took some timber to a local mill the other day, boy thats work. We have the same company comming out to give us an estimate on timbering about 8-9 acres along the front. The rest of what we want cleared we will do ourselves so we can clean out the stumps and stuff at the same time. What they are going to timber for us we are going to turn into pasture and the stumps can rot over time.
Once again I would like to thank all the people who make this such a great site. I will be back on a few more times before we leave on the 20th.
Larry Kidd
and
Family
That's great, Larry, Nickole and family.
We look forward to hearing of your progress whenever you can post.
There is stump remover that you can drill holes in the stump and pour in - Saltpeter- sodium or potassium nitrate - an oxidizer - it is an oxidizer and causes the stump to rot faster or if you add water int the holes and wait then light it when safe to do so. It will burn out clear under the ground. Home depot has it.
Good news about the school. And you haven't even got a house yet. I thought as much.
Stop by the local library and use there computers if they have them. Here alot of people do that some even on a daily basis.
If you are ready for any material don't forget about the sale at Fishersville on 9/13. If you do drop me a line and I'll buy you a dog and a coke.
Good Luck
Thanks Glenn, and John
It is good news. I have been so worried she would have to go back to this school. Other good news I found someone to come get my old dump truck for scrap. It is to big for me to haul. I am going to pull the 50 gal. tank though and keep it. I sure could use the old truck but its just to expensive to fix. Its got a bastard engine and mount set up. Can only use an engine from 75-77 has front and rear mounts and no side mounts. A reman engine was close to $5000 and I have yet to find a good used one. So I guess it goes the way of the west....
Glenn,
I'll have to check out that stuff from Home Depot.
John,
I'll try to see if I can make the auction but right now I doubt it.
Thanks
Larry
I heard from the Big Kidd a couple of days ago and he asked me to update his project. He's having trouble finding an internet location at the pioneer site. I told him about a spot about 5 miles away that had wireless he could use...so maybe soon, he'll be back.
I have to give him a big pat on the back. He jumped into this project and is making it work. He thinks he has a buyer for his house and they are already gone to the woods. [cool]
Anyway, here's what he sent:
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Peter if you talk with him again for what it is worth I got a letter from Direct Tv stateing that they now offer DSL on their system now. Seemed to be a better price than Hugh's Net. Might be an option.
Thanks for the update and pix, Peter. Good to hear from him. Looks like he's getting a good start on making it work out.
Great progress. I admire your spirit for roughing it while you build. [cool]
Hi Guys,
First I would like to thank Peter for posting those pics for me. Then to apoligize for not being on here to write myself, but computer time is short. We are currently in town getting our furniture and cleaning up our old home. When we leave tommorrow thats all she wrote... For a while anyway. I did find out from Nickole that the local library has computers on the net. [cool] ON to whats going on.
We have been busy working to get ready for the winter. You know a warm dry place to rest the weary head. :) About the time we got the walls standing my wife comes to me with one of those wifly comments, and says couldn't you make it bigger if it was two stories? Well yes I said and then it was on. So what started out as a simple 12X24 addition to the camper is now a 12X24 with a 12X24 loft. d* We have no plan to work from no drawing or anything else. ??? Anyway heres a shot with the rafters up, or going up.
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And here is a shot of some fine finsh work.
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;)
THis is out of order but shows you my best helper.
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And last but far from least Nickole on the roof that thing is way to steep for me.
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Ok I lied she did do the paper but the shingels are my job. Its taken me a week to get this far on one side.
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Thats a 28ft. extension ladder out to the max and not quite tall enough, for the short side of the roof. :(
This is where we were at when we left this afternoon.
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That second story window will become a door later. (When we get some extra money) The window belongs downstairs. LOL We needed a place to bring our bed etc. in. The loft is our bedroom. The furniture just wouldn't go up the loft ladder. >:( :) We have cut every corner we could find to save money on this project and you see what we have for the effort.
I would like to say thank you to Nickole and the kids for their help and putting up with me during this project. I will try to post more as we continue down the road.
Thanks
Larry
PS We are building without a permit so the building is on skids and poles. I'm not sure this would keep me out of trouble with the building inspecot or not but if it ever comes up I plan to play a dumb a$$. I do know that in most places in rural Va that a building on skids requires no permit. I also know that pole builings in our area require no permit. Know I know I am streaching things a bit but what the he__. We are still going to build a house here at sometime in the future.
good job larry and nicole. is the rv a permenent part of the house? i have heard about similar situations before but never actually seen one. pardon me for my lack of understanding.
Great job, Larry and Nickole and kids.
Keep the parasites off of your property. Assessor never has permission unless you give it. Building inspector does not unless you take out a permit and give him permission by your contract on the permit, or a proper court ordered warrant proving that you are harming the public wiith your house. That is the legal part of it as I understand it. That doesn't stop them from acting illegally.
http://www.landrights.com/
and you could try this posted in several places conspicuously. :) I just print it from my computer full size and laminate it then tack up the laminated copies. Always more where they came from. :)
(http://tinypic.com/1iicr9)
It does work here - at least the Sheriff's dept was afraid to admit they read it.
Note that you issue a invoice to the offending individual and take them to small claims court to collect your daily or part thereof land use fee. That is a contract when they pass your sign. Like agreeing to the terms of software when you click I agree on software installations. The laws they are breaking are federal and Constitutional.
All rights reserved gets you to Constitutional law rather than their ex-post-facto admiralty law common in the court that have the gold fringed flag which is not the United States official flag. I need to study this better myself but it has worked here for me for about 7 years.
Another similar sign a few miles down the road by a friend had the same effect. The Sheriff pulled up - left and called an unmarked car to remove the sign before entering during a disturbance there.
great to see. You are off and running.
Glenn_ what kind of success have you seen or heard about with that sign? (you mentioned the local law)
I updated the above post.
The Sheriff here during the fire pretended he didn't read it, but in the next couple minutes asked if I was Glenn which was posted on the text of the permission sign.
The way I worded my permission notice he wasn't sure if I had included Sheriffs in the words emergency personnel and thought he may be held to the land use fee, I assume. I mentioned that those who tried to remove me against my will were still responsible for the land use fee and prosecution per the applicable laws in the sign text.
I wasn't going to hassle him but I was ticked at the ones who earlier removed me from my property by implying I had no choice and that I had to leave as he followed me out.
Larry I know it is a litle late to be giving you a little hint but if by chance you get back before doing the other side of the roof you could use your truck as an extension for your ladder. By putting the base of the ladder in your truck bed it would probably elevate you to the peak. The ladder would not kick out because it would be against the side wall or the cab wall. That is providing that you have access to pull your truck along side your house.
BTW you doing great. If I wasn't up to my eyeballs in alligators I would give you a hand.
HI Guys,
For now the camper is simi perminate. I can take it out later down the road though, nothing is attched to it. I left just enough space to get it out of there. Glenn thanks for the link. I printed up a few of those signs. John I have used the truck bed many times but thats not even tall enough here. But the bucket on my tractor goes up eight feet. Still though I am not sure that would be enough. But we will work something out. I understand the alligators nipping at your heels.
Well its time to get busy.
See you guys later.
Larry
My pleasure, Larry. I know you are going to be busy. Check in when you can.
Quote from: Redoverfarm on September 20, 2008, 07:00:30 AM
If I wasn't up to my eyeballs in alligators I would give you a hand.
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??? Alligators... in WV... What have you done to the state since I left?
It's great that you take time to let your kids help and learn, Larry and Nickole.
Hi Guys,
Here at the local library for just a min. Thought I would drop in and say hi. Can't wait until we have a computer at home again. We are still working on the place a little every day. Everything we own has decided to break down though. :( Well thats not true the dump truck is still running and we finally got it down here this past weekend. My Dodge 4x4 has developed a bottom end knock and our van has issues it will start and run fine some days others it won't start at all. I think the mass air flow sensor has gone bad. When it rains it pours.
I need to see if they will let me put pictures on from here. I can't wait till we can sit at home and have time on here again. Then I have lots of reading to do. I haven't gotten to see what you all have done in ages.
Have a good day
Larry
Keep the faith Larry. It can only get better. I think it's great what you guys are doing. Looking forward to more pics.
Nice to hear form you, Larry. Update us when you can.
What a project! Just popped in to wish everyone a Happy Thanksgiving. Hope the house and kids are warm.
Best wishes for the season:
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Larry, I know you are busy, but I just wanted you to know that we are proud of you and your true pioneer spirit.
My great-grandparents and grandparents traveled clear across the United States after their arrival from Lithuania, losing 5 children along the way, to land on an unknown to them, piece of land in the untamed wilds of Oregon. Still they persevered and went ahead and made their dream a reality, no matter what the odds.
It is nice to see a bit of that spirit still alive in your story. Here's hoping things continue to get better and better for you.
Drop in whenever you can.
Glenn and all of your friends at Countryplans. :)
I think of you from time to time and wonder how things are. Keep the spirit.
"i have heard about similar situations before but never actually seen one."
Apaknad I think maybe you've never been to the rural PNW - there are literally thousands of trailer/house hybrids out here, all unique, some make you wonder, cringe, marvel....[noidea'
I do not think I've seen such a nice one as the one in this thread. I think Larry and Nicole qualify for this month's "Modern Pioneering" award. (just thought that up myself, this minute ;D).
Wow just read through all the posts of this topic. Fantastic. This group is the best I've ever found. Lots of people write me about the cabin I built and I often tell them to read the forum, ask questions, and learn all you can.
Just a comment: those batteries you are using are not golf cart batteries. They are sealed gel filled batteries that are excellent. I bought 16 of them each with 120 Amp hours capacity. They can be mounted in any position and are 12 volt. golf cart batteries are 6 volt.
Your story encourages me to continue to follow through with my own dream of living in my Wyoming cabin year round, winter and all.
Thanks for sharing your story.
Here's a short article on using an RV as a first phase of a building process. It is on our sister site PlanHelp.com (http://www.planhelp.com/public/main.cfm)
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The article link is below, but it needs a PlanHelp membership to access. (You can get the idea from the photos.)
http://www.planhelp.com/members/80.cfm
PS - Greetings to Hal in WY :D (Hal's Project (http://www.countryplans.com/nash.html))
you're right cons, i have never had the pleasure of being in the PNW but it looks beautiful and i hope to see it after i get a travel trailer in the spring. the idea was just intriguing to me and reminded me of seeing the house boats on norris lake in tennessee. every style and configuration that i had never seen before. my friend who i was visiting called it "hillbilly engineering" and it was fascinating to see the ideas that some people came up with.
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like so.
hey soomb, yes that is exactly what i saw and even more. all the house boats were in a line and hooked up to large underwater electric lines. it was truly awe inspiring from a "necessity is the mother of invention" angle. BTW, norris lake is a huge impound just over the NE border of TN that was created by the TVA and they have stripers and Large crappies and being a fisherman, that was why i was there.
Hello Everyone,
Made a trip into town today to say thanks from the Kidd family. We got a very nice award from John Raabe, Glen, Peternap, and the gang here at country plans. We were shocked [shocked] to say the least. Couldn't have come at a better time right here at Christmas and all. I am glad that you have found our story of Modern Pioneering interesting. Most of what we have managed to accomplish is thanks to seeing & reading about others who have done similer things. One thing for sure is that Necessity is the mother of invention. So with that in mind when we find we need something we generally find a way to make it or do it ourselves. I have many pictures and lots to tell once we have access to a computer where I can spend hours writing and upload pictures from the camera. Here at the Library we are only allowed 30 min online per day and can not up load from memory cards or cameras. But we are thankful to get on a computer at all.
We would like to wish everone a very Merry Christmas and Happy New Year.
I can't wait till we go to Moms over the holidays (if we still get to go [truck trouble]) so I will have time to read up on what you all have been doing. We miss keeping up with all of your projects.
Thanks again for the wonderful award and I promise to update the thread over the holidays if we get to a computer where I can. I see the Librarian (sp) telling me others are waiting so I have to go for now.
Larry, Nickole, Kyrstin, & Savannah
The Kidd Family :)
Good to hear from you Larry. Merry Christmas!
Quote from: glenn kangiser on December 01, 2008, 02:25:38 AM
My great-grandparents and grandparents traveled clear across the United States after their arrival from Lithuania, losing 5 children along the way, to land on an unknown to them, piece of land in the untamed wilds of Oregon. Still they persevered and went ahead and made their dream a reality, no matter what the odds.
That is so sad, amazing, and sometimes an actually common story Glen. What an amazing breed of people, those who came before electronics, electricity, and the automobile. My great grandparents lost one son on the boat ride from Denmark, and upon their arrival had all of their possessions and money stolen. The gov gave them train tickets, and a little money to go to California. This was in '29.
I love to read about all on hear who have eschewed some of the modern trappings of life, even if it is only reliance on others for the basics (shelter, food, etc), and still includes the electronics. After all, if not for the electronics, I wouldn't be able to read about them!
We are glad you and family are surviving, Larry and look forward to your updates when you can.
Jens, here in the mountains of California, we often see where the old timers have been during the gold rush days and the things they had to do without trucks and modern day machines are sometimes beyond belief.
We spent our year in New Hampshire living in a house build in 1792. Full basement, 1700 square feet, post and beam, three fireplaces, and just the thought of hand digging the basement, through all of that ledge that is so popular there makes me hurt so bad my hair hurts! I have also been to many of those same gold towns (have lived in Reno, and Ione, CA, worked for Pac Bell in Jackson, and always camping as a kid), and have seen amazing things. Just bringing a wagon load over the mountains is an amazing feat! Down here in TN, we have the museum of appalachia, and they have tons of old square hewn log buildings.
Hi Guys & Girls,
We made it out of the woods for a little while today. Boy do I have a lot to show you guys when we get internet service back. Its geat to be able to come here to the library and use the computers but its a shame I can't load my pics to show you all. Not to mention all the time I miss reading and repling to all the great projects you guys are doing.
I hope everyone is doing well. I know I promised pics over the holidays but due to unforseen circumstances I couldn't make it on the computer. My grandfather who had cancer got worse over christmas and passed the third of Jan. He had lived a good full life he was 83.
To give you guys a quick update on our place. We are still clearing around the house we built starting to have a opening large enough to move around in. The good news is that we are earning a little money from the sale of the trees we are clearing for yard and garden space. I am surprised at the quality of the topsoil we are finding where we are clearing. I believe it will make for good gardening. I can't wait for warm weather. I am ready for this cold and wet to move on.
Trying to research steam engines to build another battery charger that doesn't cost an arm and leg to run. I'm tired of giving all my money to the oil companies. In reality we are only using about 2 gallons of gas a day for power (electricty). That inclueds washing clothes and running my ice maker. But as the older folks say a penny saved is a penny earned. So if any of you have a set of plans to build a small steam engine or turbine let me know. So far what I have to work with for parts isn't much but should get me started. I have an old 100lb. propane tank that should make for a good boiler and I have several 97 and 70 amp alternators to use now I just need to come up with a simple engine. I am thinking that a turbine mite be easier to create. Or maybe several small ones to drive a few differnt things. Any ideas?
I sure hope you all are doing well. Hopefully soon we can get internet service at home so I have time to keep up with all you all are doing like I use to. I so miss the great people on this site and seeing what you are upto. Well I have to go now. There are others waiting to use the computers.
Take care
Larry, Nickole and the girls
PS My grandfather left me his camper. Its a 1995 33ft terry with a slideout room. I haven't figured out how to add it into our place yet but I will.
Hi Larry, Sorry you can't keep abreast of eveyone else's project. But worse off we can't keep abreast of yours. Talk to Peternap every so often to check up on you. Spring is not as far off as it has been. Hope the kids are adjusting to the school. Sorry to hear of your GF. Keep warm, stay safe and keep in touch.
Larry, the steam guys say that if you just want to be efficient generating power with wood, then use a wood gas generator - not steam. Steam is too dangerous.
A wood gas generator will run a standard internal combustion engine.
http://highforest.tripod.com/woodgas/woodgas.html
http://www.woodgas.com/
http://www.gengas.nu/byggbes/contents.shtml
It has been said that the last one is too simplified and that it needs to be cleaned up some - too much tar in the gas but the theory is all there with good explanations.
Hi all I am in richmond at my moms so I'm at a computer yeah ;D We had to come into town for a few days so Larry could go into the hospitial for steriod infusions to hopefully help with his ms (multiple sclerosis) He has been having a rough time lately and has been having quite a bit of bad days with only a few good ones thrown in. So if you could all keep him in your prayers please. We have still been busy clearing land. we finally got our onions and tomatos in yesterday and Have tons of other stuff started in the house waiting for there day to be planted. We made it through the winter but I'm soooo glad for the spring. It is so beautiful this time of year with everything starting to bloom. Plus its much more comfortable to work when it's not cold. well I was planning on putting up some pics of the work we have gotten done but I think I forgot my camera I'll look somemore and hopefully find it and write more later. I'm going to try and catch up on some of the post I have missed not being able to get online. Hope everyone is doing well. :)
Nickole
Hi Nickole, good to hear from you! Sorry that Larry has been having some rough days & is in the hospital. Of course we'll be praying for you. Good to see you are getting your garden planted & moving on with your plans. Looking forward to seeing the pics & hearing more from you. Say hi to the BiggKidd!
Hi Nickole. Nice to hear from you. I hope Larry gets to doing better.
Glad to hear you survived the winter. Things should get better now. Please stay in touch. Best to all of you.
I wonder how Larry, Nickole and family are doing?? Has anyone heard?
I've also wondered but haven't heard.
hi everyone,
close to a computer for a min and wanted to say hi and let you know we are still alive. Sure miss getting here and all of your great stories. Hope everyone is well. I hope to oneday get internet again so I can keep up with you guys. Well got to go. Take care.
Kidd
Nice to see you - drop in when you can and hope all is well.
Can somebody repost a picture of this sign? For whatever reason I can't view the picture...
Quote from: glenn kangiser on September 19, 2008, 11:49:12 PM
Great job, Larry and Nickole and kids.
Keep the parasites off of your property. Assessor never has permission unless you give it. Building inspector does not unless you take out a permit and give him permission by your contract on the permit, or a proper court ordered warrant proving that you are harming the public wiith your house. That is the legal part of it as I understand it. That doesn't stop them from acting illegally.
http://www.landrights.com/
and you could try this posted in several places conspicuously. :) I just print it from my computer full size and laminate it then tack up the laminated copies. Always more where they came from. :)
(http://tinypic.com/1iicr9)
It does work here - at least the Sheriff's dept was afraid to admit they read it.
Note that you issue a invoice to the offending individual and take them to small claims court to collect your daily or part thereof land use fee. That is a contract when they pass your sign. Like agreeing to the terms of software when you click I agree on software installations. The laws they are breaking are federal and Constitutional.
All rights reserved gets you to Constitutional law rather than their ex-post-facto admiralty law common in the court that have the gold fringed flag which is not the United States official flag. I need to study this better myself but it has worked here for me for about 7 years.
Another similar sign a few miles down the road by a friend had the same effect. The Sheriff pulled up - left and called an unmarked car to remove the sign before entering during a disturbance there.
Try this, hvfd.
(https://i778.photobucket.com/albums/yy62/the_troglodyte/1iicr9.jpg)
I have found that printing it out in all black makes a more durable sign. The red fades quickly in sunlight.