Hi , I have been looking and reading over the forums at the many great projects and thought I'd post on what I'm trying to build,a 22x24 1and1/2 story cabin.
I started in NOVEMBER and found this site in DECEMBER.
I have ask a few ? and picked up a lot of info here that has been very helpful!
So to start with thanks for the info and this great site.
I am building on my farm witch is about 6 miles from my home ,its 170 ac. with creak ,pond and good hunting.
I raise cows ,hay for feeding them and tobacco so I spend a lot of time at the farm.
Its nice to have a place to go in sit down and take a break from work or warm up from hunting.
I had a small trailer that was give to me but it burned up this summer it wasn't to good but it was handy.
What I had in it was worth more than the trailer tv,stove ,fridge ,couch ,table and bed,but none cost over 40.00.
I had a lot of damage from the ice storm of early 2009 ,a lot of pine, cedar and some oak trees either uprooted or tops broke out.
So I decided to replace my trailer with a cabin for me and my son to stay in when we deer hunt and stuff.
I am trying to build for as close to nothing as I can!
Found a cabin I liked on an ag.site and modding it to suit what I want.
What I'm building is a post frame cabin.
First we cut and got out the trees ,then cut them up in lengths we needed my son helped with this part he is 15, then we loaded on my wagon and took them to the sawmill ,we have a woodmiser LT40 mill that my 2 brothers and I saw cherry and walnut grade lumber on when the market is good.
I sawed all the framing out of the pine,going to use the oak for board and batten sideing I have pictures of my progress so far,never thought about pictures untill I found this site.
Will try to get some up trough photobucket latter .
I have done all the work so far myself with some help with loading the lumber and digging post holes from my son.
My work can't compare with some of the fine work I've seen on here ,but I'll try and post pics. anyway!
Well thats all for now,be back soon.
NIGHTOWL ;)
{Tom}
w*
Hope to see your cabin ideas and property soon.
rlr
w* Tom. What part of the country do you hang your hat?
Looking forward to watching your progress! You'll get plenty of expert advice here. w*
Sounds like fun :D Welcome to the forum w*
Quote from: Redoverfarm on January 01, 2010, 08:10:53 AM
w* Tom. What part of the country do you hang your hat?
In central Kentucky, my farm lays on big brush creak.
Born, raised and live within the same 5 miles!
NIGHTOWL ;)
Hello, I am going to do board & batten for my siding nailed to girts and studs .
And going to use house wrap put up on the girts/studs then board & batten,has anyone done this,and will it work that way?
Thanks
NIGHTOWL ;)
If you're going to sheath a building with regular boards, you need to have some diagonal bracing to keep the building from racking. Plywood is so extensively used these days, we tend to forget about things like that. Plywood locks the framing in so it can't move- regular boards- not so much. In timber framing, they put diagonal members called wind braces to keep the frame stable.
Here is an interesting chart I copied out of one of Charlie Wing's books:
(http://www.countryplans.com/images/wall_rigidity.gif)
Running board sheathing at the diagonal helps a lot. But when you are cutting holes for windows and doors you can't beat plywood or OBS sheathing.
If you can sheath both sides of the corners with such material for a full height two or three stud bays (32" to 48"), then you have "locked the corners" and can sheath the rest of the building with pretty much anything.
I would not recommend doing a single wall (no sheathing - just siding) house unless you are in a very mild climate with little chance of hurricanes or heavy wind.
Thanks for the replies.
My question wasn't about the framed walls,my wall framing is girts from post to post with windows framed in as per design from a university ag.dept.cabin plan.
My question was about the house wrap.
Has anyone used it where you only have 2x girts ,top plates and floor beams or headers to lay in on, no solid sheeting ?
I will insulate the inside of the walls latter on,but for now thought this would make it dryer and less breezy inside.
Thanks again
NIGHTOWL ;)
What's a GIRT? ???
Quote from: John_M on January 02, 2010, 11:23:32 PM
What's a GIRT? ???
Girts are 2x4s 2x6s etc. running horizontal from post to post.
They form the walls to nail sheeting ,dry wall etc. or in my case board and batten, instead of standard vertical 2x4 studs .
You need to have a post frame to do it this way.
NIGHTOWL ;)
Hi Tom,
Yes, you can wrap over the girts and do board and batten BUT, you still need some type of diagonal windbracing. On a modern post frame building the metal skin is doing the same thing John was talking about plywood doing, acting as a rigid plane to keep it from racking. Without that skin of sheets of metal or ply, some other form of bracing is needed. X's of flat steel strap from post to post or girt to girt wherever you can will help keep the building from racking in a big wind. They could be hidden behind the siding, you should cover the tyvek for fire.
Or they can be put between posts and girts all depending;
(http://windyhilllogworks.com/Shop_files/xbracing.jpg)
Thanks Don
Although the design I am mostly going by had no x bracing in the plan,
I have took your advice and added them to mine.
I put them in where there is a wall without a window framed in ,I think the ones with windows
will be ok with the studs running from floor to plate for the window frame!
NIGHTOWL
My try at posting pictures!
NIGHTOWL ;)
(https://i849.photobucket.com/albums/ab60/NOSEYVILLE/HUNTING%20LODGE%20%20CABIN/document27.jpg)
That log sawed some good lumber,here is a little of it.
NIGHTOWL ;)
(https://i849.photobucket.com/albums/ab60/NOSEYVILLE/HUNTING%20LODGE%20%20CABIN/document30.jpg)
DON_P Is that your building or a customers. Nice. Good work whowever it belongs to. I just wish it was on my property instead. ;)
NIGHTOWL A picture is worth a thousand words. So mush easier to describe things.
This is the first pictures of my attempt to build a low cost cabin out of trees that were damaged from
the 2009 ice storm on my farm.
NIGHTOWL ;)
(https://i849.photobucket.com/albums/ab60/NOSEYVILLE/HUNTING%20LODGE%20%20CABIN/document13.jpg)
(https://i849.photobucket.com/albums/ab60/NOSEYVILLE/HUNTING%20LODGE%20%20CABIN/document12.jpg)
Getting it squared to a 12 x ,this will be my siding of board and batten.
NIGHTOWL ;)
(https://i849.photobucket.com/albums/ab60/NOSEYVILLE/HUNTING%20LODGE%20%20CABIN/document29.jpg)
That is a cherry looking log Nightowl, quite a building.
John, that's my shop. still a work in progress. I wrapped the sidewall girts outside the posts and in that middle bay I doubled the 4x7 girt inside between the posts. The X's are a double layer of 4x5's lapped and infilled. I did that on each side wall, made for a pretty rigid panel. Old German frames are full of X's and diagonal braces, its a nice look as well as being quite stout. I could prefab you a frame ;D
w* Nice to see another hillbilly on the forum. ;D
Looks like you are making good use of the damaged trees and I wish your mill was closer to me. But the Amish do a pretty good job for me.
I would advise you to pay attention to anything Don_P says. He has a lot of experience and knows what he's talking about.
Look forward to watching your progress.
Quote from: poppy on January 06, 2010, 12:11:20 PM
w* Nice to see another hillbilly on the forum. ;D
Looks like you are making good use of the damaged trees and I wish your mill was closer to me. But the Amish do a pretty good job for me.
I would advise you to pay attention to anything Don_P says. He has a lot of experience and knows what he's talking about.
Look forward to watching your progress.
Poppy what about the rest of us. I feel slighted. >:(
Well the way I see it Poppy just edged me out to the edge of the waterfall, I appreciate any company :). I'm behind ya all the way John, Appalachian Americans gotta stick together ;D
There's a lot of smart people on here. No doubt you will find the knowledge and get the answers you need while you build.
Sorry there John and Don, didn't mean to slight anybody. :-[
It's just that I know more folks from the bluegrass state and there has always been a lot of back and forth travel across the muddy Ohio, and a lot of intermarriage.
And furthermore, geologically my part of southern Ohio is the same as much of KY.
And even more futhermore, old Zanes Trace started in KY and goes right past my farm.
I could go on, but it would probably start sounding pitiful. [yuk]
Oh we were just having fun. But now I need a history lesson, I've been through Zanesville. Zanes Trace I don't know?
Haven't got to do much as of late,but got some pictures of what I have done so far.
So I'll post a few every now and then when I'm on line.
NIGHTOWL ;)
(https://i849.photobucket.com/albums/ab60/NOSEYVILLE/HUNTING%20LODGE%20%20CABIN/document9.jpg)
(https://i849.photobucket.com/albums/ab60/NOSEYVILLE/HUNTING%20LODGE%20%20CABIN/document8.jpg)
Love the pics, Nightowl. I learn from each one that is posted. Thanks!
A few more pictures .
(https://i849.photobucket.com/albums/ab60/NOSEYVILLE/HUNTING%20LODGE%20%20CABIN/document4.jpg)
The road at my farm.
(https://i849.photobucket.com/albums/ab60/NOSEYVILLE/HUNTING%20LODGE%20%20CABIN/document32.jpg)
(https://i849.photobucket.com/albums/ab60/NOSEYVILLE/HUNTING%20LODGE%20%20CABIN/document37.jpg)
The only time you can get these shots standing in the middle of the pond!
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Didn't get to do much outside but play a little , I did get my last window set in the frame in my work shop.
A friend replaced his and gave the old ones to me ,had to build frames for them and they need paint and caulking ,but they were free.
NIGHTOWL ;)
A few more pictures
(https://i849.photobucket.com/albums/ab60/NOSEYVILLE/HUNTING%20LODGE%20%20CABIN/document40-1.jpg)
feeding the cows
(https://i849.photobucket.com/albums/ab60/NOSEYVILLE/HUNTING%20LODGE%20%20CABIN/document39-1.jpg)
This is where I do my work on the window frames and stuff.
I built this last spring out of the downed trees,for my work shop.
(https://i849.photobucket.com/albums/ab60/NOSEYVILLE/HUNTING%20LODGE%20%20CABIN/document44.jpg)
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This building is 16x20 oak,poplar and pine.
NIGHTOWL ;)
A few pics. of what I've got done on the cabin.
(https://i849.photobucket.com/albums/ab60/NOSEYVILLE/HUNTING%20LODGE%20%20CABIN/document24.jpg)
Got the ends framed in ,and the house wrap and boxing on for the first floor.
(https://i849.photobucket.com/albums/ab60/NOSEYVILLE/HUNTING%20LODGE%20%20CABIN/01-31-10_170.jpg)
(https://i849.photobucket.com/albums/ab60/NOSEYVILLE/HUNTING%20LODGE%20%20CABIN/03-05-10_1323.jpg)
(https://i849.photobucket.com/albums/ab60/NOSEYVILLE/HUNTING%20LODGE%20%20CABIN/03-05-10_1322.jpg)
A shot of the wrap from inside.
(https://i849.photobucket.com/albums/ab60/NOSEYVILLE/03-05-10_132.jpg)
getting ready to box the second floor.
NIGHTOWL ;)
Hi been awhile, but got a few pics of what I have done over the sumer .
Work on it a little when I can got the outside mostly done roof on floors down electric in .
Working on stairs rails inside walls.
A few pics.
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Nice work NIGHTOWL.
Very resourceful. [cool]
very cool!
Like it a lot. Nothing like having a 100+ ac woodlot, a portable bandsaw mill and a strong back!!
This couldn't be more different than my own project profiled somewhere on this forum too.
Nice progress, I like it. [cool]
Seeing all of those TV's reminds me of my dad back in the day. He had a console TV that stopped working and just sat a new TV on top using the old one as a table. :D
When and if I ever get back to building the cabin, my roof might just look like yours.
Quote from: poppy on November 18, 2010, 12:33:13 PM
Nice progress, I like it. [cool]
Seeing all of those TV's reminds me of my dad back in the day. He had a console TV that stopped working and just sat a new TV on top using the old one as a table. :D
When and if I ever get back to building the cabin, my roof might just look like yours.
Hi poppy
I bought one tv at an auction for 5.00 it didn't work to good ,the little one I used till I replaced it with the old one from home.
Hooked to a sat dish I get RTN and TUFF tv old shows to watch while I work.
The roof I got for 50.cents a foot differnt colours and lenths from a guy who does roofing,from 4ft. to 15ft.
I used like 5ft. and 10ft. on the front with a good lap and keep a strait line.
And something like that in the back.
I put the felt paper on under it as I went like I seen on here to keep it from driping .
The roof cost about 150.00!
Thanks
NIGHTOWL
I love that roof.
And like poppy, that tv setup brings back some memories for me as well. When I was a kid we had a big console that the sound went out on. We just put a smaller 14" or so black and white right on top of it that had sound. Turned them both to the same channel, had sound from one and picture from the other.
The place is coming along nicely. Any plans on a front porch?
Hi muldoon
Yes I will put a porch on later ,thats why I have not put the battons above the front door yet.
NIGHTOWL ;)
NIGHTOWL
I have really enjoyed your post, reading about your progress, and your pictures are great!
What part of KY you from? Bell Co myself.
I've been wanting to build a cabin myself up in the mtns where I live, kind of like a getaway, hunting cabin, survival shack, whatever it may be useful to me as.
I'm not "majorly" concerned with electricity or running water I just want to be able to build my very own cabin. I don't have any experience in carpentry or building, although I have observed the building of different buildings (such as garages etc) and seen many videos of building small cabins. Although I do not possess these skills or knowledge I am eager to learn, this website may be my answer! I was so interested in your design that I have almost convinced myself I need a second story or at least a loft.
I was thinking something around a 16x20 would be suitable for me.
Any suggestions? I appreciate any advice and suggestions and helpful tips.
many thanks! :)
KYmtnBoy
Hey, KYmtnBoy
Like you I never built a house or cabin before.
This forum is great help for anyone that wants to try it.
The upstairs adds so much more room, and its not that much harder or more to do.
Mine started out with just the 10ft back half with upstairs,then I added each end of the front half,with the center open to the roof.
I could put two beds in the front sections each 8x12 and still have a 10x24 space in the back.
I am putting rails up kinda like I seen in here.
I realy like the balconey look.
I'm doing mine with as much of what I have myself as I can,trying not to spend no more money than I have to.
The subfloor and the roof cost the most,about 375.00 for the floor and about 150.00 for the roof.
I looked at plans for a cabin and how it was built,the basic of a post frame and started and modded as I wanted.
Its not near as good as some of the ones in here!
I just learn as I go ,make a mistake and try and correct it.
I have a lot to do before its done,but its so pleasing when it starts to
look like something and youve done it yourself.so I say go for it!
NIGHTOWL ;)
I forgot to say Im in GREEN CO. KY.
I built a 16x20 building at home to have a place to work .
Its where I have all my saws and stuff,it looked big building it ,but now its so full I can hardly walk through it.
So bigger is always better. If not bigger ,I would for sure add a upstairs or loft.
NIGHTOWL
Hi, I want to saw some pine boards for my walls and ceiling .
What is the best size thickness to use, is 1/2 inch thick enough or should it be 3/4 or 1 inch?
Thanks
NIGHTOWL ;)
I guess it depends on what you want the finished look to appear like. I like at least 3/4" stock to work with. It doesn't show wall/framing imprefections as much as thinner stock. If you want a smoother finish then mill for 1" and plane down to 3/4". If you are after the rough sawn look then 3/4" sawn demensions will work. If you are going to T&G the edges then definitely 3/4" to allow for the edge treatment after you plane the surface. Although you can edge treat (T&G) thinner stock (1/2") it is just a little more diffficult IMO.