At the Duckpond we're finally up to cupboard doors and drawers! Seventyfour doors to be made and quite a few drawers.
We'd really like to use pieces of not-very-straight sticks from small trees around here to make the cupboard handles and drawer pulls. Has anyone done this in such a way that there's room to grab the handle but doesn't need a complicated mounting which takes too long to make? Jonni tells me it took him two days to make the towel rail in the bathroom and he doesn't want to have to go through that torture with so many needed.
Just managed to get the broadband up and running and I've been enjoying trawling through the Country Plans site looking at all the photos it took too long to download before.
Looking forward to brighter ideas than we can muster up here!
cecilia
www.duckpond-design.com.au/theduckpond
Welcome to the faster world of broadband / DSL :)
Here's some ideas ,
http://www.interknobs.com/cgi-shopper/search.cgi/interknobs/ezshopper?user_id=id&12_option=8&1=knob&8_option=3&8=buck+snort+lodge&database=dbase1.exm&output_number=15&records_in_row=3&sort_field=25_na&template=template.htm
http://www.castinstyle.co.uk/section.php/7/1/cabinetknobs/9c63146f80e22ad343ec9417109f2f6b
http://www.castinstyle.co.uk/section.php/7/1/cabinetknobs/9c63146f80e22ad343ec9417109f2f6b
Not stick and twig , but still some funk to the look , might work , it depends .
I can appriciated Johnny's not wanting to make 74 or more custom bored door pulls .
G/L PEG
I have done something similar with 2 screws countersunk into the handle then giong through two short drilled dowels to hide the screw and give finger room. The dowels could be made from the same material and need not be round on the outside. They could be cut from a stick with a chop saw and the edges manually touched up with a sander - predrill the screw hole to clear the threads and countersink the handle with a drill press.
If not clear I can sketch it up for you.
Glad you got the high speed -- we always like to hear from you/ :)
Your place looks great, Cecilia! Beautiful 8-)
What the heck -- drew it up anyway...
Nice drawing Glenn , I think that will be a easy part :o Boring all those lil pieces and the splitting that the boring will cause along with the splitting the drying out will cause and the splitting the use will cause , I think ya get my drift eh ::) ;D
But hey it may be just the ticket 8-)
I wouldn't want to try it but , Johnny's MMV ;D
Here's the ones I was looking for ,
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http://www.rocklerpro.com/search_results.cfm?filter=uptown+collection+&submit.x=7&submit.y=11
Don't tell anyone , but this is the super secert " Rockler Pro" section ;D
We now return you to the underground bunker ;)
Over and out ;D
I would slightly oversize the holes to allow for shrinkage if wet wood and set up with a drill press or a piece of cardboard to prevent scarring and a good pair of pliers, the drilling should be easy.
Short dowels could be cut by the hundred in a few minutes with a stop set on a saw.
That's the way we would do it at the underground command center (to Cheney it would be an undisclosed location). :)
Poor folks have poor ways. :'( Can't afford that corporate produced high dollar hardware. :(
Your detail drawing does not show wood dowel it shows a stick / limb.
See that's where design and real world part company , like Architect's who draw sloped / curved lines , etc but "will settle . or meant " something straight . There's a difference , details should be drawn as your expecting things to "really be" .
As a builder I've bid many jobs "to spec" and lost the job only to drive by and see all the spec's where a waste of time >:( That 5/8" CDX sheathing was 7 /16 th" OSB , that Clear Cedar trim was really cheap asre hardi plank , that enclosed soffit with 1x6 Pine T&G "really was" open soffits with bird blocks , etetetetetetetetc!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
AAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I guess I generalized it to much but it really is a piece of stick or limb as Cecilia wanted. Could we compromise and call it an unfinished home made dowel with a hole in the center? :-/
I really meant it to be a stick part. I used the word dowel improperly. :)
Oh sure how you gonna cut 200 sticks that are not round and straight , off square and true like your drawning ::) :-/
You designers are all alike , say what you mean not what you meant?? Are you a women ?? Has Sassy stolen your log in name :o :o And posting as Glenn :o ;D ;D
My point is , easier said than done ;)
Heeeyyyyyy!!!!! ;D
Sometimes rustic takes a little more time -- I haven't dressed in womens clothes in a long time. ;D
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Sometimes rustic takes a little more time --
I haven't dressed in womens clothes in a long time. ;D
Shouldn't should it :-/ :-/ It should be easier to cob it up than do it up ;D
Are you feeling a Tootoo moment ::) :o
Well - thanks for that lively conversation! Glen, your drawing shows exactly what Jonni's been trying to do, but the sticks keep splitting as he's drilling through them and he keeps saying "*&^%$#@!"
The sticks he's been using for the 'dowels' are pretty straight but I was hoping that if it wasn't too difficult an exercise the actual 'pull' part of the handle could be more bent and twisted - otherwise we may as well buy standard boring handles.
Peg (I think it was PEG) Your Rockler hotlink was certainly top secret - and I'm not privy to the password!
I keep suggesting leather thonging (which I can make) to tie the wobbly sticks onto something to attach to the doors/drawers, but Jonni keeps asking me how I think he's going to attach my thonged up sticks to the doors and I tell him that's his part of the deal!!
Anyway, we'll keep trying - perhaps try some different types of trees - sheokes or silky oak may not split so readily.
Hope your garden's flourishing Sassy - we've had quite bad frosts here, but luckily the native plants don't seem to mind that.
cheers from downunder
cecilia
www.duckpond-design.com.au/theduckpond
Ah ha what I say Glenn spilts ;D ;D Hehhehehehhehheheh!!
Humm the link won't work for me right now so maybe it's a glitch in the system :-/ I just checked and a three ways I tried to get to Rockler where tha same , maybe they are doing system mantiance ??
You askin a lot outta the wood :o and outta Johnny :o as well Ceilia ;D How about a routed in finger type pull ?? A hidden one ? Are your cabinets Euro style ??
OK --
Out of dry oak -- maybe not up to the standard you want though - drilled oversize with a sharp drill - hand sanded ends - flats dadoed in with saw blade - countersunk holes for screw heads using common tools found in my shop -- pieces cut with a normal carbide tipped chop saw. A table saw would work - sanded with a small circular sander - in under ten minutes or about 3 minutes per piece.
Glue at each joint could make it stronger.
I know - it's an okie rig job but it is rustic. ;D
A bit more preparation time could render a better product. I just wanted to point out what could be done quickly and rustically :).
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OK 75 more and ship to Oz ;D Do you install as well :-/
I do, but I charge time and travel. :-/
QuoteI know - it's an okie rig job but it is rustic.
Definition: The way Okie BoB and I have to do things to prove we can" git er done."
PEG -- the ten minutes includes me splitting one by drilling too fast. :) Had to cut another and drill it too. I guess that drops my time to 2.5 minutes or less each. :)
It looks as if we're all on the same wave length. Jonesy sent a drawing and mentioned using brass tube or similar to fix the handle to the door. This made Jonni prick up his ears as something rattled in his head and reminded him that we have some copper tubing up in the garage. Could do the trick perhaps?
PEG, I don't know what a Euro style cupboard is. Ours are sort of straight up and down with no frills - here's a photo
Sorry about last night's dishes on the sink still. Have been too busy reading all your conversation to attend to the boring stuff.
As you can see PEG, the cupboard doors are at a stage where Jonni wouldn't be too thrilled at the prospect of taking them all off and attacking them with the router. Besides, I'm just about ready to start oiling them with my trusty tin of tung oil.
cecilia
www.duckpond-design.com.au/theduckpond
The tubing would work fine, Cecilia. Same idea as the wood unfinished homemade dowels with holes in the center without any chance of splitting.
Nothing much prettier than nice solid wood doors. :)
That would be euro style no face frame , no big space between the doors and draw fronts .
Why is jonsey's PM in ya ?? Is he to shy to share his ideas out in front of the whole world ;D
I still think the stress of using a pull like that will result in a lot of replacements being made over the years :o let alone the ones that just split cuz they can / on there own at night . YMMV
So Glenn will you take care of failures/ broken ones for say a 5 year period :-/ ;D
Well --due to travel cost limitations Iwill probably not accept this contract and just tell the owner how they can fix them themselves for only a few cents each -- just make a new one or a few spares.
Sorry PEG,
Just home for a flying visit and I haven't had time to get my new puta set up yet. Here's the plan
(http://users.tpg.com.au/jonsey/countryplans/timber%20handles.jpg)
Catch you all later got a plane to catch.
Later Jonesy - nice to see you.
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Sorry PEG,
Just home for a flying visit and I haven't had time to get my new puta set up yet. Here's the plan
(http://users.tpg.com.au/jonsey/countryplans/timber%20handles.jpg)
Catch you all later got a plane to catch.
Oh sure the old I got a plane to catch deal ::) That plan is worst the screws will pull out way to easy , not enought wood into the threads IMO , YMMV.
Nice try Jonesey ;D Good luck catching that plane , I hear they are fast :o
At the local fall festival a few years back there was a lady that made lots of interesting things from kudzu vines, including drawer pulls. Probably any green vine could be bent around (say) a piece of 1-1/2" pvc and fastened down while it dried. Once dry a 3/8" vine would be plenty stiff and strong for a drawer pull.
Quoteto Cheney it would be an undisclosed location
Now we know where he's been hiding. There goes your security clearance.
I have had cabinets that had screws through the door with nuts on the back -- I know - not pretty.
If pre-drilled to the inner diameter of the screw the wood is not too bad about splitting.
I know PEG always knows the best way to do things but there are still a lot of unexplored Mickey Mouse ways left in the world. ;D
I know -- you are going to say explored failed ways eh, PEG. ;D
QuoteQuoteto Cheney it would be an undisclosed location
Now we know where he's been hiding. There goes your security clearance.
I forgot --- loose lips sink ships. :-[
I don't have to you already did ;D
The twisted vine thing might work you could bore a hole about the right size and epozy in the ends into the hole . What a lot of messy work that would be .
Some more exploring must be done ;D Thats a bad idea ;D
No Epoxy involved. I envision a board 10" x 6' with a 6' length of PVc running down the middle. You could fasten one pull every 3" or 4" and set the whole thing out to dry. After they are dry counter bore the holes an use attractive RH screw to attach them to the drawer.
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I don't like the exposed screw head even if it is right handed ;D Thats why I had the holes drilled in my preversion of your idea ;D
Speaking of screws last week I was hunting a 5MM machine screw , none in town 2 1/2" long , 2" ya nothin longer . I had the boss check while he was ashore (off the island ) heehehheh ;D Nope nada in town, so i was telling Travis our apprentice type he says " A metric machine screw ?? Or a wood screw ??
I got a big chuckle outta that , I said " Ya it's Canadian wood so these regular wood screws won't work ! " Sad in a way :'( :'( , I've tried to teach him so much , and SO LITTLE has stuck , I wonder why ::) ;D ;D
QuoteI said " Ya it's Canadian wood so these regular wood screws won't work !
Sadder yet. That probably stuck. From now on he'll be looking for special screws for any wood he thinks came from Canada.
The pulls could be clamped in place till dry then fastened from inside the drawer.
I'm fixated on vines lately. I've been pulling dozens of them out of my trees. I always thought Tarzan swinging on a vine was bogus, but I'm over 200 pounds and I can't dislodge many of them. I have to pull them down with a come-a-long. I cut down a 14" diam. pine tree that the pine beetles got. It got hung up in a vine about ten feet off the ground and the vine supported the weight of the tree and resisted my efforts to pull the tree down with the come-a-long. Soon as I cut it with a saw lashed to a loooooong pole the whole mess came crashing down.
QuoteAre you a women ??
For everybody else m- Peg is not a woman. I caught him on a boating site he link me to using Paul instead of Peg. Now Debbie and I are going to have to stop referring to him as her. There goes my picture of Peg in shorts and sneakers with a reciprocating saw.
...Sorry. Now back to your regularly scheduled thread...
I have devulged that fact a few times , I should change my screen name on WBF , that got twisted around when they had a forum server change . Plastering ones name on the net MTL is not a good thing :-/ :-/ Glenn does it but he's tough as nails and a lil nuts eh :o ;D
My older sister's name is Margeret , she goes by Peg , she got to name me and used names to = the PEG intials ;D As the last name worked with the G .
The 688 was a old log in # that worked on ICQ IIRC , totally by chance the #. It was issued. ;D But it's easy for me to remember.
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All threads are subject to drift , ;Dit's a rule ;D Read the fine print ;)
I think I made that rule didn't I? I did it just to allow people who have led lives that were much too structured to be able to break out of the mold. ;D
Don't worry, PEG -- I'm not just picking on you -- My wife comes from a military background - in fact they used to call her Sarge-- In fact I think she ordered them to do it. :-?
Now I think I've done it. :-/
I should have kept that one to myself. :o
I guess I had that coming... after all, I did divulge my pet name for Glenn in an earlier post "Glenna$$ifier" ;D ;D
I think this may be the fastest thread to 3 pages , at least in resently .
It'll be OK Sarge , we'll never tell ;D
Now you kids make up and go to bed ;D
They used to play Beetle Bailey -- She always made the others let her be the Sarge.
I think I may be sleeping in the Brig tonight. :o
Glenn's just jealous because I'm organized ;) I was the one that always took care of my stuff & kept my room clean :-/ I used to get the neighborhood kids together & put on plays & carnivals & play school & stuff. I was usually older than the rest of the kids...
I tell him "you wouldn't want a nurse taking care of you who doesn't make sure to give you the right medication or didn't pay attention to subtle changes in your condition or couldn't be organized in a busy ER & keep track of everything going on all the time." 8-)
Besides, he'd be lost without me :) :-* ;D
boy, now we've really drifted off topic... ::)
About those rustic handles...
QuotePlastering ones name on the net MTL is not a good thing :-/ :-/ Glenn does it but he's tough as nails and a lil nuts eh :o ;D
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Dang PEG -- I figure there are so many ways to find me it doesn't matter. I'll just go to an undisclosed location. ;D
A little nuts? :-? I like to refer to it as eccentric. I was gonna say - that's not what my wife says but that didn't sound good. :-/
I'm sorry to butt in and break up the conversation, but I thought you'd all be waiting with baited breath to see what transpired over our cupboard handles.
Jonesy's mention of metal tubing was the key to our success as Jonni remembered a length of copper water pipe that was sitting up in the garage. I was keen to attack it with my patination technique, so that the cupboard handle supports would match our front door panels (bet no-one else would have that sort of a combination in their home?!) But Jonni was off and running, and I wasn't about to get in the way of a man with a mission.
Here's a photo of cupboard handle No. 1 (not yet oiled). The little brass sunken ringy thingy was a necessity as anything sticking out on this door would mean we can't pull out the corner cupboard fixture.
I can't get over the fact that one little message posted to a group of you folk suddenly gets people in the far corners of the world, sending drawings, suggestions and the odd snide comment! It's as if we all have a little window into each other's lives I feel.
cecilia
www.duckpond-design.com.au/theduckpond
We were just marking time until your return, Cecilia. Now you know you are one of our favorite people and we will do whatever we can for you. :)
Snide comments -- off color comments --- here? :-? I better look into that. ::)
Looks great, by the way. :)
:-/ I really new here but I actually did something like you're wanting to do for a rustic jewelry box. I cut and dried my branches after removing the bark. I then got some copper tubing and one of those flaring tools that flares the tubing ends. I covered the copper (or you could leave it plain I guess so it will turn green over time) with really thin wood laminate using contact cement. I flared the ends and drilled countersunk holes in my branches on the top and bottom so the flared end of the tubing acts as a washer. I filled the top screw holes with stainable wood putty sanded that down stained the whole thing and clear sealed it after. They looked really nice and it wasn't that hard...It was easier than the dowel thing. ( I tried that first too and cussed a lot as well) hope this helps ya out. ;)