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Title: What do you think?
Post by: toddtar on December 30, 2011, 03:51:55 PM
http://tinyhouseblog.com/log-construction/how-to-build-a-small-log-cabin/ (http://tinyhouseblog.com/log-construction/how-to-build-a-small-log-cabin/)

I wanted to know what you guys think of this method of building?



Title: Re: What do you think?
Post by: MountainDon on December 30, 2011, 04:09:58 PM
We've seen that before, and now just as then the opinions will be varied.

http://countryplans.com/smf/index.php?topic=9701.msg124365#msg124365 (http://countryplans.com/smf/index.php?topic=9701.msg124365#msg124365)

I'll leave it at that
Title: Re: What do you think?
Post by: Squirl on December 30, 2011, 05:14:39 PM
8X8 Wall Sections

Stick Frame 2x4

10 - 2x4s = $25
2 - T1-11 =$60
2 - R13 fiberglass roll = $20
2 - 1/2 Drywall = $10
Total = $115

2x8 Lumber logs 3 deep

13 rows high X 3 rows Deep @ $6 each board = $234


So it would cost more than twice as much, take twice as long, and perform half as well energy wise.  I'll pass.

If I was going to deal with all lumber walls and the expansion air gaps, I would rather cordwood.
Title: Re: What do you think?
Post by: alex trent on December 30, 2011, 06:24:28 PM
Aside from the insulating value (which some do not need as much as others)...why cannot you go two deep with the 2's?
Title: Re: What do you think?
Post by: MountainDon on December 30, 2011, 06:50:54 PM
Quote from: alextrent on December 30, 2011, 06:24:28 PM
...why cannot you go two deep with the 2's?

I don't follow your meaning?

Two deep as in stick built with an inner and outer wall? Or something that has totally escaped me?
Title: Re: What do you think?
Post by: alex trent on December 30, 2011, 07:09:06 PM
This  is built with three 2's sandwiched together...6 inches.

My question is why not two 2's in a sandwich..total 4 inches?  Is it a structural or a insulation issue?

I can get great rough sawn for half the price quoted as a comparison. So a double wide really brings the cost down.

Let's see..there are some other reasons.

No sheetrock needed..a personal non-preference.

No plywood to paint every three years (not to mention the environmental costs of this vs.  local grown timber.

And, oh yeah,...the way it looks.
Title: Re: What do you think?
Post by: nathan.principe on December 30, 2011, 07:13:05 PM
I think I under stand what you mean by "two deep".  The reason for 3 pieces of lumber sandwiched together is because the middle piece is off set and creates a "tongue and grove" style "log".  by using only 2 pieces of lumber per "log" you lose the interlocking effect created by the tongue and grove.  I also was impressed by this method, but sometimes others perspectives can give a more well round view. I see now the pros verses the cons on this method
Title: Re: What do you think?
Post by: Don_P on December 30, 2011, 09:27:13 PM
If you're going to sheath a building 3 times go diagonal left, diagonal right, and then vertical or horizontal... build triangles.

This is a relatively new method of creating a timber wall. I've seen mention of mechanically (nails) laminated panels as well.
http://www.archiexpo.com/prod/klh-massivholz/structural-glued-solid-wooden-panels-pefc-certified-59853-147253.html

If you had a mill and were in a large beetle kill or something I can see it.

Frank Lloyd Wright had a set of several plans using a 2 ply vertical board wall.
Title: Re: What do you think?
Post by: Barry Broome on January 01, 2012, 08:56:56 PM
http://www.lwsinc.com/productse-lam/e-lam-information

Power companies are starting to use laminated wood poles. Apparently they have advantages over traditional wood poles.

(http://farm4.staticflickr.com/3070/2502050717_edeb6e047d_b.jpg)