Hi All -- This is my first post, but I feel like I know you all through my long-time lurking (probably going on 6-7 years now). After many years of saving, having kids, and planning, my wife and I finally pulled the trigger and closed this week on a 1-acre lot about 15-20 minutes from our local ski area in the North Central Cascades. All of your projects and advice have inspired me and I just want to acknowledge my appreciation for this forum.
While I pass by my lot on the way to the ski hill this season, I aim to spend the next 4-6 months planning for and studying the 20x30 1.5 story plans (just purchased!). In my blood is a DIY mentality and a desire to make this cabin fairly off-grid... not because access is impossible, but just because. I have some experience with construction through remodeling my primary house, but this will be the first time I've made a foundation and framed exterior walls and roof. I can hardly wait for this summer!
As excited as we are, we are fairly conservative and aim to build a mini-version of the 20x30 first this spring/summer to serve as a builder's cabin to give ourselves a home base to get to know the land, and my three kids a place to dry out when it is super wet. That will also buy us some time to explore what would work best on this lot, and we would convert it to use as a MIL later. Over the next year or year and a half, we will build the primary cabin (likely, the 20x30 1.5 extended to 20x36).
A few pics are attached. The lot is cleared and faces south. Septic and well are already marked, though I don't know if I want to use either. Again, just because. Water from the sky is plentiful, and I'm not sure about going septic. Electricity is at the road. It would be great to figure out a way to be off of the electrical grid, but I doubt that solar is a viable option in the winter months here when we will regularly use the cabin. A hot tub is almost a must, given my purpose. In fact, I might put a hot tub on the lot before the builder's cabin! (snorkel.com) ;D The property is in King County, which may also dictate some of the above!
More to come over the next few months...
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Welcome from a neighbor to the east..... Idaho.
Absolutely love the area you are at. King County can be a little strict I guess would be a good way to put it.....
Two things I think I would do is get a septic in and do the well even if you cap the well. My reasoning is on down the line you want to do a septic and have a well it is there. The permitting only gets more expensive and codes tend to get more strict. Septic systems if the old tank - drain field types are very easy to DIY. I have put in a couple.
Welcome out from the shadows. Looks like a great usable lot with some nice views. I'm also planning a build near Steven's Pass with property already in-hand. My property is just over the King County line in Chelan County. If your property is at all near there, happy to share any of the details from my ongoing research. Just message me.
" Septic and well are already marked, though I don't know if I want to use either." Best money I've spent,Especially when having Women or children around.I would rather not have elec. than be without a water toilet.
Congrats on your purchase. We are in the exact same boat as you - just purchased our property this year and planning on building the exact same plan as you (20x30 1.5 extended to 36'). I am probably going to be a year behind you in the build so we are looking forward to following your planning/build.
I was thinking about building a small place to stay now until we build but I just stumbled into a friend who has a "Tiny Home" on a trailer for sale. That way we can have an instant cabin to use now and then sell it when the real cabin is done.
Good luck and enjoy your property.
Quote from: Patrick on December 11, 2015, 06:57:11 PM
" Septic and well are already marked, though I don't know if I want to use either." Best money I've spent,Especially when having Women or children around.I would rather not have elec. than be without a water toilet.
Thanks for the responses all. Points taken, for sure, on the well and septic. We are viewing the small sleeping cabin as a test run for numerous things -- including water, black/gray water handling, and construction in general. The lot is located on the wet side of the pass and probably receives close to 90 inches of soggy moisture a year. Given the area's railroad and mining history and the quantity of rain, we're exploring a rain water catchment system in lieu of the well (and surprisingly, this might actually fly in King County):
http://www.kingcounty.gov/council/news/2011/July/KL_BOHrainwater.aspx (http://www.kingcounty.gov/council/news/2011/July/KL_BOHrainwater.aspx)
I am open to installing a septic, but am also considering a composting toilet / gray water system combo (again, partly due to being wary of septic performance in the rainy season). I'm still educating myself on this point and open to thoughts! [toilet]
The question is, which 200 square foot contest plan should I build?! ; ) Steep roof pitch is a must due to snow, as is a sleeping loft. One thought I had was just to try and build a scaled-down version of the 20x30 1.5 story plans (which is probably one of the smaller plans on this site).
I'm working on a small cabin on the east side near the border that is sort of an experiment in "off grid" living. It started out on paper as a small 12' x 20' but quickly grew to 14' x 24' w/a loft... 240 sq.ft. just isn't that big. We just got the foundation finished and backfilled... waiting til spring to start building the cabin. With the basement, main floor and loft i'm pushing close to 950sq.ft. which should be comfy for 2-4 people w/the occasional 5th or 6th.
We're at about 2500' so going with a 12/12 pitch for snow, not sure how much "rain catching" i'll be able to do but I have a "seasonal" creek nearby that had water until august but was dry in october which was the last timeI was up there. I'm thinking of "collecting" some of that water and using it for garden irrigation.
My place is ready for septic with sleeves in the foundation for future water and sewer hookups but for now I'm planning on storing somewhere between 900-1200 gallons in the basement in 4 totes plumbed together for "house water" and using a "greywater" tank plumbed to a drywell and a composting toilet until the day I drill a well and install a septic system.
Hi All -- it's been several months, but we are getting ramped up to build a <=200ft^2 starter cabin this summer. We've spent many weekends and hours at the property getting it ready and scheming. I have completed most of my 'pre-building' projects, mostly with the intention of keeping my family entertained while I'm building. Cleared some trees, installed a zip line for the kids, got a 20' shipping container for storage of tools and materials, and a picnic table and park-style bbq. That should cover it!
Love this forum and while I've read through volumes of its pages, I will no doubt have numerous questions as I go along. I am working on electronically sketching up some derivative plans from numerous sources, both in and outside of this site. Our property has an 80 lb/ft^2 snow load and yet only a 12" frost line, though approaching 24" according to the elevation maps.
Still working through the crazy Picasa to Google Photos transition... will update with some photos soon.
The lot is in unincorporated King County -- I had a really hard time getting anyone from the city or county to answer questions about our plans... everyone seemed to point towards someone else. I've saved all of these emails in case someone does come asking about our little "shed" being built under the radar. In 2-3 years, we aim to build a larger (but still small) ski cabin that will go through the formal permit process.
Shipping container and dining canopy:
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In the process of putting a rock pad around this:
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Quickly apparent that I was going to need a workbench:
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And this buys me about 45 minutes of independence before my wife and I need to play referee and split them apart (am building a railing so they don't break an arm):
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We spent a solid 8+ hour day out at our lot today. It was one of those days... I'm sore, my back and hands hurt, and while it felt like I worked hard - I'm not sure if I actually got anything "done". Okay, well, I did finally get the official stamp of approval for the location of the tiny cabin - marked in spray paint:
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Even this proved difficult, as I had to dig out a rock nearly the size of a basketball in order to hammer a stake into the ground. This location, while a little close to the neighboring cabin for my tastes, will ultimately block the view of that cabin once we build a larger cabin in a few years -- it also allows a view of the mountains for both cabins.
After reading and re-reading various threads, discussions, and arguments on foundations, I have decided to install a permanent wood foundation for the tiny cabin. It will be a 12x16 with a 2x4 bump-out to get to 200ft^2, plus a full loft over the 12x16 part. A miniaturized version of the 20x30 1.5 story plans...
Starting to work on digging out our permanent wood foundation -- 18 inches down and 16 inches wide is going to take some time with this crew!
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Spent half the time playing 'war' under the canopy waiting until we could dig again....
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Even the food needed some cover from the downpour today:
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??? Something wrong with the pics....
Pics are looking good now. Your last photo reminded me of one our favorite ways of cooking when out on a hunting trip, and that's the dutch oven. A dutch oven with legs on the bottom works great with charcoal briquettes. There's about a million recipes online for dutch oven cooking. Keep an eye out on Craigslist and you may be able to score one at a great price.
Photos should work now... still getting used to the Google Picasa to Google Photos transition. Having the feeling lately that this transition wasn't an "up"-grade.
In any event, on my second of three trips out to the lot this week with a truck bed half-full of gravel - I pulled up and found a couple having a beer on my lot with their dog. It turned out that they are one of the few folks who live in the area year round and they check up on all things going on. Sounds like they are going to be good people to know... when he saw me shoveling the perimeter of the foundation, he both offered: a) an extra shovel if mine broke, and b) the phone number of his father in law who will come out with a tractor and dig for $100/hour. Option b is sounding pretty good... maybe after one more round with a pick-axe and shovel in the rain.
Can't edit one of my previous posts with an errant photo-link, but this zip line has been a lot of fun for all. Hopefully they will learn to take turns soon...
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Quote from: bac4uw on June 19, 2016, 11:58:07 PM
Can't edit one of my previous posts with an errant photo-link, but this zip line has been a lot of fun for all. Hopefully they will learn to take turns soon...
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Reminds me of a home-made zip line I made as a kid, before zip-lines were a thing. Ah, the good old days. My brother ended up with two broken arms, in casts at the same time. Hope your kids fare better! ;)
Hey All -- spent another weekend at the lot and can barely move my hands / fingers. We are probably 80+% of the way done with digging the permanent wood foundation. All told, we've spent about 8-9 hours digging by hand, shovel, pick axe, and rock breaker. It is mostly 12-14" deep all the way around, with some spots down to 18" due to behemoths like these (about 1.5 basketballs):
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At one point, we actually tied some wire to a 2+-man rock and pulled it out of the ditch with my truck. I just couldn't do it!
I did manage to get a bit of fun in this morning and kayaked about 4 miles on the Skykomish -- mostly fast-moving flat water with interspersed class II rapids (and one nice rodeo-style rapid near the Money Creek campground).
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Curious....where did you find this? I might have to do the same thing as it's likely better to survive bear attacks! ha!
Quote from: OlJarhead on June 27, 2016, 12:05:29 PM
Curious....where did you find this? I might have to do the same thing as it's likely better to survive bear attacks! ha!
I bought the grill from Amazon: https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00QGAOGC6/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o08_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1 (https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00QGAOGC6/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o08_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1)... or search "Heavy Duty Park Style Charcoal Grill". Comes with the pole and grill (you supply the cement!), and the ever-so-important connection pin... which my 5 year-old mischievous boy "misplaced" and caused a bit of panic after a failed first attempt at mounting the grill (found it under the coffee table). It works great and I really like the ability to pivot the grill to either take advantage of or block the breeze.
So close to getting the foundation in. We are done digging and back-filled with 5/8 clean rock today... ended up about a 1/2 yard short to get it level all the way around. Oh well... next weekend. August will be a busy building month. I am hoping to do my "platform-dance" in a few weeks at the end of July, as I've scheduled a solid 2 weeks of building with relatives / friends in August.
My wife found 4 new 36"w-60"h windows at a second-use store for $92 each... score!
Foundation footing... almost level. About 2 inches more around the back-side in a few spots:
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One nice thing about going with a permanent wood crawl-space foundation is the ability to build it in your garage at home and transport it when you are ready:
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Pics not working for me. :-[
Quote from: azgreg on July 11, 2016, 07:50:53 AM
Pics not working for me. :-[
Showing up nicely now for me. Hopefully just a temporary glitch.
Quote from: ChugiakTinkerer on July 11, 2016, 11:56:34 AM
Showing up nicely now for me. Hopefully just a temporary glitch.
Yep, I can see them now.
It's been about a month or so since I've lasted posted an update. Had a couple of weeks where I didn't get anything done, but then was able to make some good progress. We rented a nearby cabin with my wife's parents and brother for about a week and worked on it each day (an exhausting "vacation"!). I set up a GoPro and snapped pics every 30 seconds... kind of fun to see 6-7 days in fast-forward. However, the "action" subsided a bit as we put OSB sheathing up and it blocked the camera view. All things considered, it was a fun week -- we took our time and I'm starting to see the cabin take shape.
For some reason, can't get the videos to embed - so pasting the URLs...
After digging, backfilling with crushed rock, and leveling - here is the start of the permanent wood foundation in late July:
https://www.youtube.com/embed/w_BPkQRfn6A (https://www.youtube.com/embed/w_BPkQRfn6A)
And here was what we got done last week while on 'vacation':
https://www.youtube.com/embed/tm3FIngXMWY (https://www.youtube.com/embed/tm3FIngXMWY)
Really cool videos, thanks for sharing.
Thanks! I'll be out again tomorrow and hope to get the loft plywood finished and, with any luck, the 18" loft side-walls up. Seems doable in my head, but the heat lately really sucks the energy out of me in the afternoons. Next weekend, we head back out with my folks for another 5 days at a rental cabin. My goal is to get the gable walls up, 2 14" LVL beams in place, 2x10 rafters up, and hopefully roof plywood tacked down.
It's been a busy month of building. I took two separate weeks off of work in August to try and get work done on the cabin. I thankfully had a pair of helping hands each time, and more importantly an extra brain when I struggled with cutting the first set of rafters! [waiting]
Yesterday, I got one side of the roof felt and snow/ice guard installed. With a 12:12 roof, this by far was the least favorite part of building. Maybe with different tools/ladders (experience?) this would be easier, but I was surprised at 1) how slow going this was between moving the ladder and truck, and 2) how sore I was afterwards.
It is scheduled to rain this week, so I put a tarp on the side of the roof without felt and will hopefully finish that next weekend. Maybe even start putting up the metal roof? From here on out, it is weekend-work only to get the cabin dry to the elements.
All things considered, I am pleased with how it is turning out and can say that the many hours of planning were well-served. Only one real dumbo mistake (that I know of!) where I didn't cut the door header supports to the correct length because I had not yet purchased the door. Still fixing...
Here are some pics of the progress:
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I wish I had more pictures of us putting up the 2 14" LVL beams, but my hands were full (!) and it was just me and grandpa. This was the step that made him the most anxious, but it was really not that bad getting them up there with just the two of us:
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I used a big box of structural screws to screw the LVLs together. It said I didn't need to pre-drill, but the box lied. I could get about a half inch from flush and the drill would quit. We ended up pre-drilling each screw:
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I may be mathematically/engineering oriented, but getting the rafter templates correct still cost me $80 in 2x10s!
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The dog is impressed with our progress now:
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One side of plywood up... and then it poured. Despite tarping, we had lots of water inside: >:(
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My trusty canopy didn't fare well through the downpour:
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Loft area after plywood is finished:
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View from down below:
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Grandpa referred to this as the 'dope on a rope'... which was the feeling I had while doing this. Actually, I felt safe and secure... but slooooowwww:
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Ice and snow shield was kind of a pain to work with:
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Late in the day, I finally finished the felt on one side:
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The moment your feet leave the ground things slow down dramatically.
If you run the first row of ply and lean out from inside for the first row of ice and water it works better for me most of the time. I then nail down a 2x4 toeboard and work from the topside with my "crew" passing the sheets out from the loft.
Follow the load down from the header under the ridgebeam, through the stacked jacks... to ... need some support under there. Keep following that load down through the main floor walls as well, a few more studs to create vertical load bearing columns all the way to ground. For future building, the upper gable walls should really be framed from floor to roof without the plate across the wall. This is small enough I doubt it is a serious issue but that is a laterally unsupported hinge point.
Thanks Don -- yes, I definitely have a few more support studs to add both in that upper knee wall and perhaps down below. I figured I'd add them later and make the best use of the extra set of hands while I had them. Same deal with the cripple studs above the door.
I read several postings about that hinge point and wondered if there was anything else I could use to strengthen it? Even though it's a small building, would metal straps help?
Wish I had your advice on the ice/snow shield... grandpa and I considered this for a bit, but he nixed the idea so he could help get the plywood done (last day).
Thanks again!
--Bryan
Using your help while you got em definitely takes priority. I wasn't sure if you knew to add more cripples, I run for the roof and come back to detail later most of the time.
One way to stiffen that plate in the wall is to run a beam inside across the joint flatways. Lay a 2x10 or 12 across from on top of the sidewall on one side to on top of the opposite sidewall and nail it down well and attach it to the gable endwall, especially at the jacks. A shelf. It will need a couple of legs down to the floor to keep it flat and support the middle. One way to think about it is to mentally rotate the wall flat, like a floor. The "shelf" is acting like a floor girder under joists (your studs). The load is the wind rather than feet. The ends of the girder are on the supports, same here which is why they need to be fastened to the top plates on the side walls very well. Those nails keep the shelf from moving if the wall is pushing against it.
Last weekend working on the cabin was totally deflating. Saturday, I was solo with all three kids and it was absolutely dumping rain. I have felt up on the roof, but had not yet covered the vented ridge... puddles! I did manage to get 4 windows installed, but not an ounce of dry clothing at the end of it. The kids were not impressed and wanted to go home the whole time. Good fun...
The next day, I was gung-ho to get the metal roofing up. I got the first panel installed and said to myself that this was going to be easy. While I have never installed metal roofing, it was quickly apparent with the second panel that me and my supplier had ordered the incorrect screws. Clarification: these screws were correct for installing the trim - but not the decking. We hadn't ordered the decking screws at all. Doh...! Upon realizing this, I shut my mouth for a good 45 minutes and then moved on to sheathing and tacked some plastic up on the ridge to prevent the cabin from becoming a swimming pool the next week.
Despite not getting started working until 11am, yesterday I was able to make verifiable progress and got one side of roof decking laid down. Woke up this morning and could definitely tell that I scrambled up and down a ladder about 50 times! Headed back out there in a bit with the goal of getting the other side done and the ridge cap on. Maybe even the front door? Though, that too looks like it will be a project -- 2x6 walls, but pre-built door jamb is not 2x6. Door jamb extender kit, DIY trim, or take it back?
A few pics from from yesterday:
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The roof looks great. Those look like the same standing seam panels I'm about to install. How did it go once you were in the field? Did you fold the bottom of the panels under and slide it into a cleat? Any tips? Thanks.
I have every intention of installing 2x4 doors in my 2x6 walls, by the way. Look at the price difference before you decide to return it. The single doors usually have jamb extension kits. I have 3 french doors to install, and those do not have jamb kits. My plan is to remove the brick mold door casing and then simply cut jamb extensions to get everything to the exterior. Depending on the availability of the sill extensions I would even create metal pan flashing for the sill. Flashing details will be important... really flash the rough opening so if the extensions ever leak water runs outside and doesn't rot any wood. The price of those bulk french doors is about $430 vs $1300 for contractor pricing 2x6 doors from my lumber supplier (the sales person I go to even told me the bulk doors are fine, you just have to figure out how to make the extension look nice. I can see how if you were having a contractor do things the increase labor could make the 2x6 doors more cost effective.). Anyway that is just my 2 cents. Let me know what you end up doing.
I assume it is a left hand entry door. If so, set it in the opening and see if the door hits the wall before the hinges will bind in an interior e jamb. It may work to interior e jamb them which is easier, sometimes you can get away with it on a ~90 degree swing. I agree with Nathan, it is probably worthwhile to work with the existing jamb.
Yes -- left hand entry door... I'll try and make it work and fix it up on the inside. Thanks for the advice! I temporarily screwed the door in this afternoon, as I had to use the last sheet of OSB elsewhere:
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Nathan -- yep, Snap Loc standing seam panels. The easy part is installing them... the hard part seems to be getting all set up to install them! I did not get the other side started/done today because my wife had the truck until 2pm - by that time I was neck deep into another project, blood sugar was low (T1d), and it was Sunday afternoon. I framed up the walls for the 2x4 bathroom bump out instead:
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Not sure the bump-out is worth the extra effort, but figured I'd try to get my full 200 ft^2!
Back to the roofing: I did not fold the bottom of the panels as the guttered eave trim I/we purchased did not allow for it. Instead, I hung it slightly over the trim. If I had the appropriate eave trim, I would rather have folded the panels as it appears to produce a cleaner fit. My panels are slightly raised in the middle despite my pushing down during the install. I've noticed the same fit on numerous other cabins around me with similar metal panels.
Honestly, I don't think I have any tips. Other than getting set up, installing these panels is a piece of cake. My roof line is simple, cut to fit width-wise (18' plus a bit), and without any penetrations (now). The 'plus a bit' might come in handy as the panels are 12" wide, but have a 3/4" lip that the screws go into. When you get to that last panel, that 3/4" lip needs to rest somewhere that you can screw into. I used compensating gable trim (2" wide) on the end to account for whatever slop I had, and was able to screw right into the plywood roof deck.
Lastly - very surprised at how comfortable I now feel on a 12:12 roof. I have a cleat mounted to the middle of the ridge beam and always wear a harness. I remember thinking - 'damn, this safety equipment is expensive': well worth the money! This was the most anxiety-producing part of the project, and I still hate being up there, but it's no longer terrifying.
Love the fall colors starting to show. With the roof on that side it's easy to picture the place with siding. Almost there!
Kids haven't asked yet to have the zip line running out of the loft window? :)
Stevens Pass just posted today that the first snow of the season is upon us. It's only a matter of time before that trickles down to where I'm at!
I finished the roof decking two weekends ago, and at 4pm on a Sunday afternoon realized that my ridge cap was not going to span the gap that I needed it to. Doh! To call this a mistake or an oversight might imply that I had put some thought into the matter... though, I did not. I bought an off-the-shelf hemmed vented ridge cap and assumed it would work. Due to the extra width of the ridge beam, it did not! In any case, I'm ordering a larger ridge cap that should arrive in the next week or so to officially end my time on the roof.
I finished the sheathing (thankfully) and installed all of the remaining windows last weekend. Next weekend should be flashing, house wrap, and finishing up the bird blocks between the rafters (another project). We are highly considering a metal siding with a rain screen underneath. I am a self-admitted hater of painting, so galvalume metal siding seems appropriate.
Pending projects are the loft stairwell and electrical, not necessarily in that order. I also purchased a wood stove this evening, which should arrive in December - around the time that ski season will be upon us...
Some progress pics:
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The back side, with bathroom bumpout:
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Back-side casement window opening in loft:
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Front-side loft casement window (still need to add more support studs):
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Bird block... another project!
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Even with pre-built window boxes, my two youngest realizing that building (and hammering) isn't easy:
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Also, determined on Saturday that gutters will be in my immediate (rather than distant) horizon. It poured cats and dogs and both the ground around my cabin and the rivers around us swelled up with so much rain. We get 90"+ of precipitation annually where I'm at... so need to direct that water where I want it to go. I also need to find some gutters that wont rip off of the house in February when the snow/ice is upon us...
I was planning on doing rainwater catchment (next summer), but that might just creep up as a project I need to do sooner.
Quote from: bac4uw on October 11, 2016, 01:33:33 AM
I was planning on doing rainwater catchment (next summer), but that might just creep up as a project I need to do sooner.
I did this on my barn so we can have running water in our camper while building the house. If I can save you some time in the research, let me tell you about first flush water diverter. The roof collects dust and debris, and if you are catching water for anything but watering your garden, I highly recommend doing this. The idea is that the first few minutes of rain washes all the junk off the roof, and instead of your barrel collecting that first bit of water, it drains into a downspout with a trickle valve on it. Theres also a ball in that downspout....so, as the water fills the downspout, and all the filth catches at the bottom, the ball rises to a stop, where a diverter pipe would be attached, that leads to your rain barrel/collection tank. I have a set of 4 330 gallon tanks that are connected in series, and both sides of my building feed into the 4 tanks. The water is clean (I wouldn't drink it though) and we use it for bathing and washing things down, etc. I wrapped my tanks in black plastic too to prevent algae growth, and it so far has worked better than we imagined.
I also added a pump and a pressure tank so the camper sinks/shower have a constant pressurized flow.
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Heres a screenshot of the items I ordered from Amazon to do this...I will get pictures of my setup tonight and post them on my posting as well for anyone that wants to see it.
Quote from: bac4uw on October 11, 2016, 01:17:32 AM
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We are highly considering a metal siding with a rain screen underneath. I am a self-admitted hater of painting, so galvalume metal siding seems appropriate.
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I was working on a fence repair yesterday at my house and noticed the painted T1-11 on that side is in need of attention, again. I share your interest in metal siding. I like the idea of having a recreational place that I will be able to recreate at, not spend all my free time doing maintenance and repair work.
"I like the idea of having a recreational place that I will be able to recreate at,..."
My feeling exactly! I like the look of metal siding, especially when accented by cedar wood trim... so that is what we are working towards. The functionality and no need to paint are bonuses.
The info on rainwater catchment is great. As I indicated, this was a project that I had in my head as "in the Spring"... but I am going to minimally install gutters soon in order to manage the runoff. Love the first flush valve and will read more on it. I am aiming for potable water, so coarse filter, treat, fine filter is what I have in my mind as the process to get there. Doing multi-night kayak trips, I've filtered some pretty nasty looking water for drinking and am constantly amazed at the decent water quality I get out of the other end.
As I drive to the cabin, the tops of the mountains have been dusted with snow lately -- I figure I have 4-6 weeks left before most outdoor work grinds to a halt. Fortunately, I'm getting close. I got the door 'officially' installed... before it was just tacked in with a few screws. It actually closes and locks.
Between the chaos that we call children, my wife and I also were able to get the metal drip edge installed and about half the house wrap up today:
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It feels good to be somewhat dry to the elements. Upon purchasing the 3' wide Tyvek, I remember laughing to myself at the 9' roll and thinking about how unwieldy it would be to install. After circling my cabin three times today and moving the ladder, I'm now thinking the 9' roll was not so crazy! Going to get some galvalum metal siding next week, along with furring strips to build out the rainscreen.
I contacted the company that supplies electricity to our area and said I would need them to come out around December 3rd to hook up power. I have not started electric at all, but sometimes having a date on a calendar can be a great motivator... particularly when there are financial consequences involved. I will hire a local-ish electrician to come out and supervise most of my work and hook up the panel, which I can appreciate may not be an enviable position to put a professional in.
Lastly, for interior siding we're vacillating between 1x6 T&G pine (~ $0.45 / linear foot), T&G cedar ($0.69 / linear foot), and T&G beetle kill (blue) pine (~ $0.59 / linear foot). For a while, I was considering installing some higher end plywood as interior siding... but I think I've talked myself out of that. The T&G prices are all fine with me, so all of that being equal -- any thoughts/recommendations? I personally like the beetle kill, then cedar, then pine... but it's not a strong difference in preference. I'm mostly considering how/whether to contrast it with flooring/ceiling cover.
Looks great. Do you have any more pics of the PWF foundation?
I set up a GoPro (video on post #23), so I have a bunch of still shots of us putting together the PWF. Here are the first, middle, and last from the first big work day. I pre-built the PWF in sections at home using 2x6 ground contact rated pressure treated wood with a 2x8 footing, treating all cuts with that nasty copper stuff (CCA), and fastened with expensive stainless steel 16D nails. Over that, we stainless steel nailed marine grade plywood on as sheathing. Lastly, we stapled on 6mil plastic over the outside and inside. I still need to add some ventilation...
I basically followed Figure 8 here: http://www.hillspg.com/pdfs/Perm%20Wood%20Foundation.pdf (http://www.hillspg.com/pdfs/Perm%20Wood%20Foundation.pdf)
The only thing I didn't follow directly is overlapping the OSB over the marine grade plywood. I could have, but I built the foundation such that it was strictly 200 square feet and this would have pushed that slightly over.
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Thank you very much.
This weekend I got my first bid to hook up the electrical service panel. *My* opening bid was to install switches (5), outlets (13-14), and light fixtures (10) and run the circuits to the main service panel. My hope was to have a certified electrician take it from there and hook up the panel, ground rods, and exterior components for an overhead install. The electrician kindly came out and took stock of what I was trying to do and, perhaps as expected, decided that he didn't want the complication of having to work *with* me. It would be worth his time if he could do the whole job... for $4350 out the door (includes time, material, L&I permit, tax).
I was not too surprised by that quote... but it's still quite a ways from where I was starting from in my head. And relatively speaking, about the same price for all of the lumber, wall and floor and roof sheathing, and metal roofing I used to construct the cabin shell. He didn't try to make my system much more complicated than the wiring plan I had sketched up, other than to increase my panel size from a planned 125A to 200A (again as expected, but minor cost increase). He noted that he and a partner would get it completed within a couple of days.
I am going to seek out additional quotes, but given my location I feel like my options will be somewhat limited unless I can get friends to call in favors. Alternatively, I might try to negotiate on a scaled back install just to get it in place and then I'll come in and wire the rest of the circuits as planned.
Hmmm....
I would just do the work in reverse order. Have a certified electrician do everything from the pole to the panel. I think to pass inspection you need one outlet hooked up, could be below the panel. And then you take it from there.
If you think you may want the option of having a generator for backup power, now would be the time to put in an isolation switch. Something to consider in the event of an extended power outage.
Quote from: ChugiakTinkerer on October 25, 2016, 11:08:42 AM
If you think you may want the option of having a generator for backup power, now would be the time to put in an isolation switch. Something to consider in the event of an extended power outage.
I cringed when I read this, but that is a very sensible comment. The back story here is that I despise the electric company who will provide service to the cabin. They are the same company that provides service to our main house and we lose power as if we were in a third world country (kidding, sort of, it's bad)... for long periods of time. Our electricity is routed through a notoriously unreliable substation at the main house, but haven't heard much about reliability issues where the cabin is at.
When I discovered that this company was the electric service provider, I began to research solar installations in rainy / cloudy climates. In fact, I told my wife that if the combination of hiring an electrician and paying the energy company for installation approached $8-10k - I would just go with a solar install for the cabin at the expense of a few comfort items/amenities. Rekindled those thoughts this morning...
I have a couple other leads on electricians and will significantly pare back the install specs I give out, with the idea that I can finish out each circuit after the install.
A home owner can do their own wiring. You can do everything but bring in the service. It isn't hard either. Something to consider.
Quote from: OlJarhead on October 25, 2016, 12:14:28 PM
A home owner can do their own wiring. You can do everything but bring in the service. It isn't hard either. Something to consider.
Yes, I agree... that's kind of where I'm headed at this point as I price out the materials and consider how much of my time it would take (vs. paying someone else). It does not look like WA state L&I requires that a certified electrician performs the work... just that my plan gets submitted and approved before work commences. So... submit a full plan, or the basic plan (and come in afterwards)?
I still have a little PTSD about all of the river rocks I encountered when digging the foundation. I wonder how challenging it will be to get an 8' copper rod or two into the ground vertically (with the proper tools)?
Since it will be inspected I would submit a plan for what you want.
As for ground rods there are options and usually the inspector will provide some guidance. I have had good experience with inspectors on 'permitted' builds in the past (installed my own service panel, feed from original panel, and all wiring etc for a 580sqr foot addition a dozen years or so ago without issue).
Many topics here about ground rods and I found that where I could not drive one straight down in my rocky soil I could drive one at a 45 degree angle which can be approved in certain circumstances.
The easiest way to drive a ground rod is with a rotary hammer. I welded up an attachment for my rotary hammer specifically for this.
After reading the L&I guide and energy company installation guide, I'm gonna go for installing the whole thing myself. The parts I've never done before will take a little learning, but it seems learnable. I priced out the materials and it came to about $750.
I had 25 big bags of Roxul insulation delivered yesterday. When the truck showed up, I thought 'oh crap'... that's a lot of insulation!
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By shoving the 10 R30 bags upstairs, I was able to get it all into the cabin. I actually was able to install about 5 bags of the wall R23 that won't interfere with the wiring in any way. This weekend, we're hoping to finish the bird block so we can install the 10 bags of rafter insulation.
Had a little help last weekend getting the rest of the Tyvek on and the porch and deck ledgers:
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Facebook is a funny beast (I'm not a Facebooker). My wife posted a slightly different picture which showed that our ladders were not at the proper "OSHA" angle. Some Facebookers picked up on this and got snarky. I've built this cabin with my ladder at all kinds of angles that might not have been proper, and I let my feet and balance do the rule-making. Here, we were installing a porch ledger board where it would have been difficult to position the ladders closer in (at least the 12 footer) and get the job done. Whatever, it felt safe to me! ; )
Don't worry about FB'ers....just tell her to make the posts 'friends only' and they won't be able to see it ;)
I'd be willing to bet, at least half of the people making these comments, have never been on a ladder d*.
They mean well, not everyone is a great communicator.
I've ridden a few, I think my wife wins the altitude record for longest ride down the face of a wall. A straight claw hammer can excavate a nice little pit to set the feet in quickly for leveling and to restrain the thrust as the pitch gets lower. The best piece of safety gear is between your ears though.
Today, a buddy and I installed all of the cabin electrical boxes, tunneled paths through the studs, and pulled wires for all circuits. We slowed down significantly as we made the connections to the outlets/switches/lights... but it was also getting towards the end of the day. And with day-light savings kicking in, we could feel the day coming to a close rather quickly. Next weekend is a 3-day weekend and my hope is to complete the inside and outside electrical work by the end of it.
I am glad I decided to not hire out the electrical work (so far). It was one of those things that I would have hired out to do at the right price, but at the end of the day I enjoy doing electrical work.
I'd attach pictures, but pictures of wires are kind of boring!
I assume since you are insulating and installing electrical that you have passed your framing inspection. Did your gable end walls pass inspection for your locality? In my area they have to be balloon framed or tied together with lots of strapping and bolts. But I do live in a hurricane zone (110 mph) but I figured you live in a earth quake zone which would be similar.
I did all my electric and plumbing and am glad that I did. I used the hose and pvc pipe method to drill a hole for my grounding rod, post hole dig as deep as you can then use hose and 8 ft pvc pipe with a manufactured jet on the end, you have a lot of rock though not sure how well that would work for you. Works great here in low country NC in clay and sand, we have to buy rocks when we want them.
Jim
How is the treated foundation secured? There were some posts here about horizontal wind loads and although I understand there will be some gravel and dirt set in around the exterior of the foundation, i don't suppose there will be any on the inside and if there was, it seems like you would need to sheath and plastc that side also. Did you have a 2x8 on the bottom of your 2x6 foundation wall? I guess in my mind, i don't see where a 1" lip and a foot or two of gravel would help much in a severe wind storm.... i suppose you don't have many hurricanes to contend with though... :-)
I think you are confusing uplift and lateral loads. For uplift figure the magnitude of the uplift force, deduct the weight of the structure and make sure the attachment to the ground is better than that... I'll bet he is there. Screw anchors could supply more resistance if needed. For lateral, horizontal, loads figure the magnitude of the load and check to see if the walls can resist that shear, again I'll bet he is more than adequate. Mentally apply that horizontal load to an unbraced pier, the pier tips over where the wall braces all of its vertical elements. Make sense?
Looking great! Really enjoying this build, especially as I plan on building a similar cabin (though 12x18)
I may have missed it, but do you have a rough floor plan you can share (how you plan to lay out the first floor, etc.)?
Also, how high are the knee-walls in the loft?
One more, roughly how high is the clearance in the loft (deck to bottom of LVL ridge beam)>