Mike and Michele's Bigger House Project - GK

Started by glenn kangiser, September 14, 2006, 10:35:25 PM

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glenn kangiser

Got some wall forms up and steel in place for inspection next Thursday.  Using used !" plywood and able to work from the inside only in most areas so have to make some of this up as we go.




Had to build some staging to be able to get the pumper out across the wall.



Slow but just going as my buddy gets money and I get time. :)
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benevolance

great drawings

I will make mental notes of what you said...I have usually just drawn it up and built without my friendly local building inspector even getting wind of what I am doing...

but It is great to know that a decently drawn well thought out sketch can get stamped and approved if you have the codes and specs right

Save a bunch of time and money... I mean everyone has a ruler and can spend a few minutes getting graph paper and looking up codes etc....

Great tip


glenn kangiser

One key thing to this approval is that the engineer had already designed it and I made changes that I knew he would approve then he agreed with me and put his official stamp on my drawing.  

This was a modification to drawings that the county had already reviewed and charged my customer $21000.00 for said approval by them including the pork barrel fees for the school system.

He may have charged the owner more for the approval and stamp work.  
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benevolance

21,000 is all he paid for permission to build on his own land...

Gee he got off so lucky ::)

side note we need a barfie emoticon for this site

glenn kangiser

Here Peter - copy and save this.   Right click for properties.  Save that line to insert your picture.  Note that after the first year we had to pay another $25 to renew it.  That is only allowed so many times.  My customer plans on paying as he goes and taking several years or more -- we'll see what happens later.  I told the inspector that they had to accomodate his wishes.  I said - you are a public service agency and you have to take care of the public.  He said I would have to talk to the boss, but he would probably let us keep paying the annual fee.

We passed inspection BTW.  No fixes to do. :)

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glenn kangiser

#30
Pulled the other house project out of this one so we can post about this one alone. GK

Well -- today we finally poured the walls of Mike's (sorry Michele with one L-- I missed an apostrophe there but I know how much that bugs you so I corrected it-- GK)  project -- well -- the first 90 feet of them.  

I don't think the concrete truck owner had seen forms using 1" plywood before  -- he was aghast when he saw our forms.   :o

Due to the rock walls all around we had to do some pretty unconventional forming but we were pretty sure it would hold. I consulted with the manufacturer of the Rapi-form Clips (suggested by Mike T on our forum -- thanks Mike).


http://www.dhcsupplies.com/concrete/conrapiform.htm

I did what he suggested - with the exception of using the stinger to vibrate the concrete pretty good.  He had suggested rodding with rebar and tapping the form with a hammer -- there was just too much for that.  Anyway -- no worries -- everything held.  

I like to tie everything in place or make holders for it -- many times you are much too busy pouring and making sure everything is going right to worry about a piece of rebar moving out of place.  It makes the inspectors happy too.  Usually they just take a quick glance and sign if off if all the ducks are in a row.



We used the $179 Harbor Freight Vibrator -- very heavy duty and worked great.

http://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/ctaf/displayitem.taf?Itemnumber=42947

http://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/photos/42900-42999/42947.gif

The walls are 8" x 8'10 1/2" tall We used the rapiform clips on the bottom so we could remove the forms without having to get to the back side due to the rocks.  The rest were 12" lags in the rock areas or standard snapties in the accessible areas.



Had to use staging spiked into the ground over the space behind the forms.  We used it for access to get the pump hose to the forms.



One place I held down with a pile of rocks - I wasn't satisfied with the rebar when it hit a rock.  For the forms in some places we drilled a 1/4 inch hole then drove three 16d nails in it tight together -- makes a great temporary anchor.



There was only one little place the form bulged a little due to old plywood.  The owner believes in recycling old materials when possible -- and when he can get a great deal on it.  All of the form plywood had lived a previous life as produce bins such as farms use for tomatoes.  Most was pretty good -- some not so great but we made it work - culled most of the terrible stuff-- and he saved thousands of dollars.


Fred started removing some of the extra bolts that were added for safety on the higher pour of the wall near the rock.

https://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d184/glennkangiser/P1000344.jpg  Caution - Not Safe For Work- I WARNED YOU.


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#31
For those who haven't used them and might like to--- Here is what the snap-ties look like inside the forms.  The ends go through 9/16 or 5/8 holes in both sides of the plywood - the 8" spacers keep the plywood apart and give an area for the tie to break in and finish under the surface when sacked out -- (holes filled -smoothed - repaired- ground edges - etc.)



The  brackets  are put over the end outside and a 2x4 is clamped in.



Bottom right of the forms you can see the Rapi-form clip end.  It is secured in the center with a 1/4 hole drilled in the concrete and we drove 3 10d screw nails in at the same time for an anchor -- the clip stays there when done.

Up on the form on the right side you can see one of the H clips we fabricated in our shop.  The manufacturer wanted $5.00 or so each.  We made them for a few cents.  They go between plywood sheets to keep them from separating and falling in.  The tie spacers keep them apart.

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PEG688

#32
   Oh the unhumanity :o

  Suspenders are really cheap.  ;DThink of them as a "customer relationship" tool ;D ;D

  CrackaJoeweA  east of Java??  

 Poor Fred,  I'd never know him if he was facing the camera ::)


I expected it  but ya know still hada look :-[ Not your bad.  Sad in a way really :'( :-[


BTW those are some ugly forms panels , again not your bad I read the owners wanting to use salvage plywood. Looks like just enought steel on that job  ::) ::)
When in doubt , build it stout with something you know about .

glenn kangiser

Sorry PEG.  I knew if I warned you severely enough you would have to look.  Sorry -- I couldn't resist and Fred really wanted you to have a current picture of him. :)
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glenn kangiser

#34
It was really meant to be only a utility tunnel and for the price, Mike wasn't concerned about the finish or look.  I suggested that he make it wide enough to be useful, so it is just spare but very useful space.  Went from 6 feet to 12 feet - the hole was already that wide plus.  If desired it can be smoothed up a bit later or furred over and completely finished.  
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glenn kangiser

Also tons and tons more steel and concrete to come,
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glenn kangiser

#37
You need to enclose it in the image brackets-- the little picture button - third from left.

What were you yukking about? Did you look? :-?

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benevolance

sorry glenn this is beyond my ability to understand....This is too technical for me...

I can do fonts and HTml.... but people need to skip shortcuts details are needed for me...I can follow instructions.. but you lost me totally when you said to right click and go to properties...I did that... after that I am lost...

Leaving in a couple hours for Maine and fishing...so my emoticon posting lesson will have to resume at that time...

Cheers


glenn kangiser

I meant when you are composing click the third button from left - top row and paste the text from properties (link) between the brackets.



[ IMG]https://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d184/glennkangiser/thirdbuttonfromleft-toprow.jpg[/IMG]

It is modified HTML code and tells the forum to put the picture of the emoticon in to the posting rather than just the line.  

As I have said before -- Computers are like women-- they only want to hear exactly what they want to hear exactly the way they want to hear it.  Tell it to them any other way and it's no barfie emoticon for you. ;D

Sorry Ladies -- I was teaching Peter about computers. :-/ :)
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John Raabe

#40
Just testing the little guy...



Yep, he works.
None of us are as smart as all of us.

glenn kangiser

Looks like you got him under control, John -- did you look too?
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#42
Do you mean the "how high the moon" shot?



Thanks for sharing! :o
None of us are as smart as all of us.

glenn-k

Fred may be studying plumbing.

Glad you enjoyed it. ;D

glenn-k

Mike , the owner called me this morning-- He said he saw a big crack in one of the pictures and was worried about it extending into his wall. :-/ ;D



glenn-k

Every one tries to fix it for Fred, but Fred thinks he's famous.  He's proud of it and calls it his patented trademark.  You don't want to be driving down the freeway ahead of Fred and his buddies.  If you are and they manage to pass you and Fred is a passenger-- don't look to the left as they pass -- believe me on this one -- I know. :o

glenn-k

Mike got excited today and took some guys up to pull forms so he could see some wall.  He said it looks good and he is happy.

I'll probably get up there next week and get some pictures. :)

peg_688

#48
QuoteThe plumber's little helper:

http://www.duluthtrading.com/95587.aspx

I believe in previous threads I've recommended those  AND suspenders to Glenn. I'm pretty sure he hasn't passed the info on to Fred so he,Glenn , can catch such "candid moments " to share on C/Plans   ;D Glenn likes the "shock value" I think  ::)

glenn-k

#49
I'm the Countryplans version of Howard Stern. :-/

Maybe a bit more restrained.