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Title: 20X30 Cottage in North Carolina
Post by: Osprey on March 11, 2009, 07:02:57 PM
2-08

Looked at 3.75 acres just outside of Robbinsville NC overlooking Lake Santeetlah.

Tail of the Dragon area 10 miles from Deals Gap.

First look.

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Title: Re: 20X30 Cottage in North Carolina
Post by: Osprey on March 11, 2009, 07:24:07 PM
Bought the land and closed in May.

Cleared the cabin site, built an access road, installed a septic tank and drain field and placed a 27' camper to stay in on my trips to the mountains to build.  I got the building permit and installed the power pole.

It sounds so easy.

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Title: Re: 20X30 Cottage in North Carolina
Post by: Osprey on March 11, 2009, 08:02:07 PM
I'll figure out attaching these pix from Picassa yet  ???

11-08

Dug out for the basement and ran into the first big problem.

A 30 ton rock.

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2-09

Solution?

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It took six sticks of dynamite to get it small enough for a backhoe to move it!

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Rockblast video-

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Title: Re: 20X30 Cottage in North Carolina
Post by: Osprey on March 11, 2009, 08:13:19 PM
3-08

Digging footers and setting up forms.

Footers will be 24" as we will be using 12" block for the 9 foot stem wall.

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Finished the digging and forming the footer. Putting in the rebar now. Next step is to get it inspected and sprayed for termites then time to pour the concrete.
Title: Re: 20X30 Cottage in North Carolina
Post by: alcowboy on March 11, 2009, 08:54:49 PM
Not meant to hijack your thread but I have ridden the Tail and whew was it a ride! Brother drove his truck while I gripped the door on the passenger side but I survived  :).

Rode it for the full length all the way back to Marysville/Townsend from Deals Gap.
Title: Re: 20X30 Cottage in North Carolina
Post by: Osprey on March 11, 2009, 09:03:53 PM
Yeah, Tail of the Dragon is a great ride.

311 curves in 11 miles or something like that.

Before I got my Jeep with an automatic transmission I had a permanent sore knee from pushing in the clutch on my manual truck.
Title: Re: 20X30 Cottage in North Carolina
Post by: MountainDon on March 11, 2009, 09:52:59 PM
Cool Osprey.




A/T's rule off road. On road too for the most part.  :)
Title: Re: 20X30 Cottage in North Carolina
Post by: IronRanger on March 11, 2009, 10:05:56 PM
In the 30-ton rock picture, I thought it was a part of a wall you were digging around. 

Dynamite.  Fun.  Two words, but lots of fun.
Title: Re: 20X30 Cottage in North Carolina
Post by: alcowboy on March 12, 2009, 09:19:04 AM
For those not familiar:
http://www.tailofthedragon.com/maps.html (http://www.tailofthedragon.com/maps.html)

http://www.tailofthedragon.com/maps_dragon_road.html (http://www.tailofthedragon.com/maps_dragon_road.html)

We actually wound up on the Tail by mistake. We had gone to Cades Cove and taken an very off road that led onto the Tail. We then took a left and wound up at Deals Gap on the NC line then turned around and ran the Tail the full length.  It was fun!
Title: Re: 20X30 Cottage in North Carolina
Post by: Osprey on March 12, 2009, 07:27:12 PM
Quote from: IronRanger on March 11, 2009, 10:05:56 PM
In the 30-ton rock picture, I thought it was a part of a wall you were digging around. 

Dynamite.  Fun.  Two words, but lots of fun.

FUN?

I was the one perched on top of the rock jack hammering holes in it for 2 days. d*
Title: Re: 20X30 Cottage in North Carolina
Post by: glenn kangiser on March 12, 2009, 09:49:15 PM
Cool dynamite. :)

Did you have to hire a licensed powder monkey for that or can I pick it up off of Craigs list? ... [waiting]
Title: Re: 20X30 Cottage in North Carolina
Post by: Bishopknight on April 08, 2009, 12:28:03 PM
I'm curious about the dynamite as well. Got a pesky rock on my land as well.

Love to hear an update too  ;D
Title: Re: 20X30 Cottage in North Carolina
Post by: pagan on April 08, 2009, 01:05:31 PM
All I can think about is Jimmy Walker.
Title: Re: 20X30 Cottage in North Carolina
Post by: Don_P on April 08, 2009, 05:08:45 PM
Explosives are strictly regulated ever since... but for shattering pesky pasture rocks I use fire and water. Stack a bonfire around the boulder light it and enjoy yourself for as long as possible getting it hot as possible. Then throw as much of the coldest water you can on it, repeat as neccessary. I've shattered rocks the dozer couldn't budge. A good excuse to sit around, drink beer and tell the wife you're doing something useful too.
Title: Re: 20X30 Cottage in North Carolina
Post by: Alasdair on April 08, 2009, 05:18:38 PM
lol good advice Don!

Osprey, what an awesome spot for a cabin - that road looks crazy :D

looking forward to seeing more
Title: Re: 20X30 Cottage in North Carolina
Post by: glenn kangiser on April 08, 2009, 11:57:38 PM
I really like watching things explode - I'm from Oregon, and as a kid I watched some loggers as they blew a stump out of the way with 12 sticks of dynamite.  It went about 1/4 mile estimated.

The Oregon Highway department is better though.

We are a proud bunch there.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8cBC5-eqS2s&feature=player_embedded
Title: Re: 20X30 Cottage in North Carolina
Post by: Osprey on June 15, 2009, 08:07:07 PM
Sorry I have been so slack and haven't updated. Seemed to never stop raining and being on a mountain with a steep grade even when the rain stops it takes awhile for things to dry out especially for cement trucks , giant well drilling rigs and whatnot.

Finally got the footers poured, used more cement than I care to mention and had to hire a pump and pump the cement down. I had to use 2 cement trucks because the grade was so steep the cement would have spilled from the back of the cement trucks. One cement truck got to close to the edge of switchback, on the mountain side thankfully, and got sucked into a ditch and damaged his trough.  He got out without to much trouble. Fixed road.

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Since everything was still soaking wet what better time to bring a large (40 ton) well drilling rig up with associated equipment?   ;D 

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It took them 2 days to drill my 6 inch diameter 450 ft deep well.

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Static water level in the well was around 120 ft from the top of the well so quite a bit of storage (330ft storage at 1.5 gallons per foot) with a sort of disappointing flow of 1 gallon a minute. Some of my full time neigbors have less flow than that so I think i will be OK with my small cabin.

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Next step is to fix the road AGAIN.

I plan to install the pump, water pipe and wiring myself so I need to do some research and check through the forums here for pointers. It was interesting and expensive drilling the well. It was $11ft plus an extra $5ft for the 33ft casing. This price included grouting., so a little over $5K for a 450ft well. It was not an easy location by any means and the guys who drilled besides being nice guys were also real pros and did a good job.

I'll try to post as the 20X30 progresses but I may be a little slow  as work has been keeping me busy and I can only get a couple weeks at a time to work.

Title: Re: 20X30 Cottage in North Carolina
Post by: Osprey on September 04, 2009, 01:54:07 PM
Making some progress.

Spent some time improving the area around the footers and installed the french drain along the back so I don't spend any more time than necessary between the block and cutaway hill after the block is laid.

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Block is laid for the walkout basement.

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I am now in the process of digging the 9 footers for the deck piers. I will have a 10 foot wrap around porch with roof facing the downhill side and along the rear of the house. My house should end up looking something like this one. My 20x30 will have a 10x12 pitch, no dormers or fireplace and the porch will be screened in for the most part.

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I will be waterproofing the uphill wall before back filling with gravel, creek rock and soil. My plan is to use 2 coats Drylock and then cover the wall with plastic sheeting from the top to the edge of the exposed footers. If anyone has any other suggestions I would love to hear them.
Title: Re: 20X30 Cottage in North Carolina
Post by: Osprey on October 02, 2009, 01:23:20 PM
Hi all.

Still plugging away up here on the mountain.

We finished digging the 9 pier footers for the deck, laid the block and filled with concrete.

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It took approximately 50 tons of gravel to backfill the back wall to 3ft and to fill the inside of the foundation for the concrete slab.

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Slab is poured.

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Title: Re: 20X30 Cottage in North Carolina
Post by: Osprey on October 02, 2009, 01:46:00 PM
Yay!!  ::)

Finally getting out of the hole and building a house.

Framed the basement with pressure treated 2X8's.

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Title: Re: 20X30 Cottage in North Carolina
Post by: Osprey on October 02, 2009, 01:53:20 PM
Anyone know what this plant is?

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It is wild Ginseng. It is all over the property and the surrounding hills. At times this slow growing plant sells for up to $1,000 or more a pound.  :o

A few hours walking the hills turned up about a half pound.

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Floor trusses should arrive soon and then back to work!
Title: Re: 20X30 Cottage in North Carolina
Post by: MushCreek on October 02, 2009, 04:17:27 PM
Nice find! Oddly enough, wild American ginseng is one of the priciest varieties. I make green tea w/ ginseng all the time, but I have to settle for dried Chinese stuff.
Title: Re: 20X30 Cottage in North Carolina
Post by: Sassy on October 02, 2009, 09:58:09 PM
Great progress!   8)
Title: Re: 20X30 Cottage in North Carolina
Post by: Osprey on October 03, 2009, 06:47:44 AM
Quote from: MushCreek on October 02, 2009, 04:17:27 PM
Nice find! Oddly enough, wild American ginseng is one of the priciest varieties. I make green tea w/ ginseng all the time, but I have to settle for dried Chinese stuff.

Yes the wild American is the most sought after form of Ginseng. Even cultivated Ginseng grown here is not as valuable as the wild. There are subtle differences in the ring formation on the root and number and size rootlets that separate it from other varieties. This time of year people are walking all over the hills hunting "sang".
Title: Re: 20X30 Cottage in North Carolina
Post by: Osprey on October 03, 2009, 06:59:42 AM
Quote from: Sassy on October 02, 2009, 09:58:09 PM
Great progress!   8)

Thanks.

Just went to your blog and looked at your amazing house. The cob cat is a sight to behold. I was thinking of making a small wood fired pizza oven. I may just have to do something like you did and sculpt something as well instead of just a generic dome. It is sort of moist around here, how does the cob hold up in a wet climate?
Title: Re: 20X30 Cottage in North Carolina
Post by: Sassy on October 03, 2009, 12:42:20 PM
Thanks - I haven't updated the blog in a couple years, at least  :-[

They have cob houses in England that are hundreds of years old, also in Carmel, CA.  The Cob Cottage workshops are in Oregon - all fairly wet climates.  You just gotta keep them dry.  If you plan on making a clay/cob oven, put a roof over it, otherwise it will deteriorate over time.  Glenn made a really neat oven in the shape of a bear w/copper pipe tubing wound around inside - we used to build fires in it to heat the water for the hot tub.   The bear is out in the open & over the years, it has lost its hands & part of its arms  :(  Don't know if you saw a picture of that.  You can look at the thread under "Owner/Builder" or here @ http://countryplans.com/smf/index.php?topic=151.0

That is interesting about the ginseng!
Title: Re: 20X30 Cottage in North Carolina
Post by: Osprey on October 18, 2009, 06:58:37 PM
More progress!!

The more  progress made the more I realize this is going to be one big little house.

Got the roof trusses on and the 8x8 posts for the deck on the piers.

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Deck framing and scaffold coming along.

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Deck framing and scaffold done, if it ever stops raining I hope to get the decking and subfloor on. Supposed to be good weather all week so should get some walls up too!

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Title: Re: 20X30 Cottage in North Carolina
Post by: glenn kangiser on October 19, 2009, 10:48:43 PM
Looking good. :)

A simple roof over the top with wide coverage will prevent any damage to the cob or clay oven.  With the proper mix of 70% sand and 30 % clay as well as quite a bit of straw it will take weather from the side just fine.

Kiko Denzer wrote a book on making clay ovens.
Title: Re: 20X30 Cottage in North Carolina
Post by: John Raabe on October 20, 2009, 11:21:56 AM
What a great site!

Challenging, as they say, however! :-*
Title: Re: 20X30 Cottage in North Carolina
Post by: Osprey on October 20, 2009, 12:12:25 PM
Thanks Glen. I should have some metal left over from the roof. Should be perfect for the oven.

Yes John challenging is the word. Not only is it high on the mountain but it is a very steep (45 degree). We cut a tree that fell wrong and it took off down the mountain like a rocket gaining speed as it stripped off branches. It impaled itself almost 400 feet down the mountain.

Just now starting to get a good idea of what sort of view I can get with some strategic tree cutting. My first round of tree cutting netted almost $1,000 for the logs which paid for cutting, removal and fixing the road (again). Now you can't give it away (mostly Poplar). It is mostly smaller trees less than 18" in diameter so I may just cut them into pieces and leave them on the ground to rot. Just cutting them will be hard enough without worrying about getting them out.

Got the subfloor on and working on the deck.

More pictures soon.
Title: Re: 20X30 Cottage in North Carolina
Post by: MountainDon on October 20, 2009, 12:47:35 PM
Quote from: Osprey on October 20, 2009, 12:12:25 PM
... very steep (45 degree).

Wow!. And I thought our 20 - 30 degree slope was steep enough.
Title: Re: 20X30 Cottage in North Carolina
Post by: toddtar on October 21, 2009, 12:48:08 PM
Peel the Poplar around May-Aug and sell it or use it after it's been dried. 
Title: Re: 20X30 Cottage in North Carolina
Post by: Osprey on October 21, 2009, 02:58:52 PM
Quote from: toddtar on October 21, 2009, 12:48:08 PM
Peel the Poplar around May-Aug and sell it or use it after it's been dried. 

I wish I could. I don't have the equipment to drag it 200 feet up the mountain and the loggers can't use the small stuff so the wood doesn't pay for the cost to cut and haul it. It is hard enough just to get down to it and cut it and get it on the ground.]\

It's yours if you want it.  ;D
Title: Re: 20X30 Cottage in North Carolina
Post by: Osprey on November 15, 2009, 05:47:13 AM
Making some good progress. The weather is cooperating for the moment with mild temperatures and clear skies.

A big change from the over 4+ inches of rain we had in 24 hours when the remnants of Ida passed through. This was my first time being on the mountain in a major rain event. No problems with drainage and the road held up very well.

Framing is coming along we are getting ready to sheath and start the roof.

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Title: Re: 20X30 Cottage in North Carolina
Post by: Redoverfarm on November 15, 2009, 08:34:12 AM
Your house reminds me of the houses at Snowshoe Ski resort.  All are built on a rather steep slope.  Walk in front door and down to the lower level.  Good progress although I hadn't checked in for a while. We also got the spin-off of IDA with a 2 day delay in outside work.  But the forecast is good this week.
Title: Re: 20X30 Cottage in North Carolina
Post by: devildog on November 16, 2009, 08:14:21 PM
Osprey, Did the building dept. require you to have engineered footings?  It didnt look like yourfoundation was setback from slope, and it looks really steep. Just curious to know if this was an issue for you,I just dealt with it.
Darrell
Title: Re: 20X30 Cottage in North Carolina
Post by: Osprey on November 16, 2009, 09:38:38 PM
No. No problem at all. Many houses in this area are on steep slopes.  The only plan I have given them was the one sent to me by country plans. The basement and deck plan was just a sketch.

The building inspector has been a big help to me and has answered numerous questions. I have nothing but good things to say about him. He has been the inspector in this county for 20 years or so so he has seen it all and knows what will work on these steep slopes and what won't. I have yet to hear of any houses sliding off the hills around here. I did hear about a cement truck rolling sideways down a hill when he tried to turn around though but the houses seem to stay put.
Title: Re: 20X30 Cottage in North Carolina
Post by: Osprey on November 24, 2009, 11:55:13 AM
Finally had a good run of clear weather.

I built a 7 foot retaining wall below the deck where the stair landing will be. We used 6x6 pressure treated. It took 2 days of solid labor to build. The timbers were pinned with 1/2 inch rebar and then backfilled with old creek rock. seems solid and looks good to me.

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Rock for backfill

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Started the retaining wall on the other side. gonna take a break for a few days to let my hands and arms recover. I ache all over.

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Title: Re: 20X30 Cottage in North Carolina
Post by: Osprey on November 24, 2009, 12:01:59 PM
I took some photos from up the mountain and from the bottom of the mountain looking up.

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Title: Re: 20X30 Cottage in North Carolina
Post by: MountainDon on November 24, 2009, 12:38:22 PM
Are those timber ends that protrude the ends of the tie backs? Just wondering how you anchored the wall.
Title: Re: 20X30 Cottage in North Carolina
Post by: Redoverfarm on November 24, 2009, 02:20:56 PM
Maybe you mentioned about the front deck.  Is it going to be covered?

In the summer I would say that you are almost camoflauged with the leaves from the bottom looking up.

I had to end up putting retaining walls at the cabin.  I ended up laying block and then covered them.  It was hard to figure it in until I got the final grade done and it was too much to slope not to mention the run off of the water to that area.  If you don't have drainage from the retaining wall basin then you might consider some.  But if it is on the hillside as your house then probably just slope would be fine. 

Good job. 
Title: Re: 20X30 Cottage in North Carolina
Post by: Osprey on November 24, 2009, 10:21:49 PM
Quote from: MountainDon on November 24, 2009, 12:38:22 PM
Are those timber ends that protrude the ends of the tie backs? Just wondering how you anchored the wall.

Don, The completed wall rests against the house on one end, has 4 foot tie backs in the center and  alternates on the ends with with the "buttress" 90 degree timbers protruding past the wall at the other end. The 90 degree end wall acts as a buttress as well and is 8 feet long at the bottom

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If anything I think the wall is over built as the bank has remained stable for over a year and was backfilled with creek rock which will not "pack" like dirt would.

The unfinished wall on the other side also has alternating tie backs and has one end  against the house wall as well. My plan on the rock end is to make a "curb" on the rock by drilling the rock for rebar, making a form and pouring it with concrete in front of the wall on that end. The bank on that side has been stable for over a year now as well.

Time will tell.
Title: Re: 20X30 Cottage in North Carolina
Post by: Osprey on November 24, 2009, 10:42:26 PM
Quote from: Redoverfarm on November 24, 2009, 02:20:56 PM
Maybe you mentioned about the front deck.  Is it going to be covered?

In the summer I would say that you are almost camoflauged with the leaves from the bottom looking up.

I had to end up putting retaining walls at the cabin.  I ended up laying block and then covered them.  It was hard to figure it in until I got the final grade done and it was too much to slope not to mention the run off of the water to that area.  If you don't have drainage from the retaining wall basin then you might consider some.  But if it is on the hillside as your house then probably just slope would be fine. 

Good job. 

Redoverfarm, Yes there will be a 10 foot covered porch/screen room on the front and side. Between the 600 sq foot basement and 600 sq foot porch I should be able to spread out some so the small size of the cabin will not feel so small.

I have a french drain surrounding the house which was covered with gravel and then carried downhill by drain pipe where it discharges. The gravel fill on the back of the house is 3 foot thick with a silt cover and then filled with creek rock to within a foot or two below grade.

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I have no standing water and the drains gush after a short time after the rain begins.

I am still studying how the water drains from the property and imagine it will continue to evolve until I am at final grade and the road and driveway are in a finished state.


Title: Re: 20X30 Cottage in North Carolina
Post by: Osprey on January 09, 2010, 10:48:55 AM
The weather has not been cooperating so it has been slow going. We have the sheathing on the house and the roof is felted.We are now struggling to get the roof on over the deck. If it isn't snowing it has been raining. Temperature gauge shows 15 degrees with a couple inches of snow on the ground so today will be a bust as well. Supposed to warm up into the 50's next week so we should be able to finish the deck and maybe even get started on the metal roof.

Here is a couple interior shots

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Sheathing on. Starting on the deck roof.

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Construction slowing to a crawl.

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Staying in this little 27' camper in these conditions is no fun at all :-\


Title: Re: 20X30 Cottage in North Carolina
Post by: Sassy on January 09, 2010, 12:52:23 PM
Brrrrr!  You have a difficult terrain as well, but making really good progress - beautiful views & love the porch!   8)
Title: Re: 20X30 Cottage in North Carolina
Post by: speedfunk on January 09, 2010, 02:43:22 PM
 ;D

Very cool little structure you all are working on.  I find it very neat how you have used the terrain to your advantage. 

Our hill is also steep , it keeps down people population :)
Title: Re: 20X30 Cottage in North Carolina
Post by: Redoverfarm on January 09, 2010, 04:08:52 PM
Osprey it will melt and eventually you will thaw out. ;D.  Working in the winter time is just hit & miss for the most part if you are working outside.  It should be a different story once you move into the inside.  Even a salamander heater will keep Old Man Winter from ruining your day. Doing a nice job considering.  Keep up the good work and the spirits.
Title: Re: 20X30 Cottage in North Carolina
Post by: Osprey on January 09, 2010, 05:45:32 PM
Thanks for the encouragement. Just getting bored.

I've got it easier than many, it will be warming up here soon.

It is definitely private up here. I can't get down and no one can get up. d*
Title: Re: 20X30 Cottage in North Carolina
Post by: Osprey on February 11, 2010, 08:26:28 PM
Whadaya think?

Got the roof on between blizzards. ;D

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Title: Re: 20X30 Cottage in North Carolina
Post by: Redoverfarm on February 11, 2010, 08:34:20 PM
Looking Good  :)
Title: Re: 20X30 Cottage in North Carolina
Post by: Osprey on March 27, 2010, 08:18:27 PM
Starting to make some progress after toughing out what locals call the worst winter in this area in 20 years. Lots of rock slides I-40, sections of the Blue Ridge Parkway and The Tail of The Dragon all closed because of large rock slides. In some cases it will take months to clear.

It has been tough on us as well snow,mud and cold. Repeat.

Starting the insulation. We passed our framing, rough electrical, mechanical and rough plumbing inspection.

I had a mini-split heat pump system installed. Some pics of the refrigerant, condensation and electrical lines in the wall where it will live. This is a 2 zone system with a 15K btu evaporator in the living room and a 9K btu for the bedroom/hall/bathroom area. It is supposed to be very efficient with a 16 SEER rating.



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I painted around 250 hardie planks before it was put up so the first coat of paint is on. I like the grayish green color but still can't make up my mind on the trim and windows.



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Deck railing and stairs are done too. I like how the stairs turned out even though it was a little tight.


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I asked the building inspector how the others building in the area fared and he said I was the only one still working. It's amazing how 8K+ in tax credits can motivate you. Still not sure if I will make the June 30 deadline for occupancy. If not it won't be because I didn't try.  ;D

Hope everyone's projects survived the winter.
Title: Re: 20X30 Cottage in North Carolina
Post by: MountainDon on March 27, 2010, 08:33:28 PM
Quote from: Osprey on March 27, 2010, 08:18:27 PM
I like the grayish green color but still can't make up my mind on the trim and windows.


Are you leaving the PT wood to age naturally or going to try to stop color fading with a finish of some kind? Maybe trying a paint color that approximates the PT wood color for trim?
Title: Re: 20X30 Cottage in North Carolina
Post by: Osprey on March 27, 2010, 08:40:07 PM
Quote from: MountainDon on March 27, 2010, 08:33:28 PM
Quote from: Osprey on March 27, 2010, 08:18:27 PM
I like the grayish green color but still can't make up my mind on the trim and windows.


Are you leaving the PT wood to age naturally or going to try to stop color fading with a finish of some kind? Maybe trying a paint color that approximates the PT wood color for trim?

Yes. I plan on using a semi transparent stain after a couple more months. Some of the deck is newer than others and I was told I should wait for at least 3 months. I am considering the cedar looking almost goldish color. The trim I around the windows and corners I am thinking a gloss similar to the roof.

To me picking the colors are the hardest decisions to make. I HATE it. All suggestions are welcome.
Title: Re: 20X30 Cottage in North Carolina
Post by: Osprey on March 27, 2010, 08:49:03 PM
Here is the plan for finishing the interior beams and ceiling. Already ordered the "rustic pine" flavored fake laminate planks.   ::)


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Title: Re: 20X30 Cottage in North Carolina
Post by: texasgun on March 27, 2010, 10:19:54 PM
Your cabin is looking great. Can you tell us more about the ceiling treatment you are planing and price. In the area we live in tounge and groove is not cheap since we have nothing local in the way of trees or mills but a laminated alternitave sounds interesting.
Title: Re: 20X30 Cottage in North Carolina
Post by: cbc58 on March 28, 2010, 07:02:04 AM
looks good.  really like the covered porch.  can you give us an idea of your budget/spend to date?... and what you are shooting for total?
Title: Re: 20X30 Cottage in North Carolina
Post by: Osprey on March 28, 2010, 07:51:06 AM
Quote from: texasgun on March 27, 2010, 10:19:54 PM
Your cabin is looking great. Can you tell us more about the ceiling treatment you are planing and price. In the area we live in tounge and groove is not cheap since we have nothing local in the way of trees or mills but a laminated alternitave sounds interesting.

Thanks. The ceiling will be done using Armstrong ceiling planks.

http://www.armstrong.com/resclgam/na/ceilings/en/us/prod_detail.asp?itemId=97045

Cost for the planking is around $1200. While I like real wood I considered several things. The laminate will not shrink twist or dry out. It will be finished out of the box and with the 48" spacing of my "beams" it should go up fairly easily. The product directions call for furing strips to be installed first to level the planks but with my "beams" breaking up the long runs I should have no problem keeping it level and straight.

Title: Re: 20X30 Cottage in North Carolina
Post by: Osprey on March 28, 2010, 08:04:01 AM
Quote from: cbc58 on March 28, 2010, 07:02:04 AM
looks good.  really like the covered porch.  can you give us an idea of your budget/spend to date?... and what you are shooting for total?

Rough estimate to date.

Cabin to date including metal roof, hardie siding, deck and basement framing- $36,000

Deck piers- $2,000

Footers, cement block and slab- $10,000 (including the rock having to be blasted and site work)

Well and pump- $8,000

Septic system- $2,000

Plumbing and electrical- around $5,000 when complete

Mini-Split Heat Pump - $3,500  

http://www.mrslim.com/Products/itemDetail.asp?ProductSubCategoryID=151&ProductCategoryID=24&ProductID=1499

My labor- FREE

Trying to keep under $80,000 so cutting it close.
Title: Re: 20X30 Cottage in North Carolina
Post by: devildog on March 28, 2010, 01:51:01 PM
QuoteCabin to date including metal roof, hardie siding, deck and basement framing- $36,000

Osprey, Thanks for the pricing. Im hoping to have mine dried in with $35,000 because thats all I have. And try to finish it as I go.
Your place looks great. Is there anything you wish you would have done, But now it may be too late. The reason I ask is that im just getting started, and want to make sure Ive considered everything.
Thanks, Darrell
Title: Re: 20X30 Cottage in North Carolina
Post by: Osprey on March 28, 2010, 09:00:36 PM
I would have planned out the basement better and I would have pre positioned several loads of soil where it would be more easily accessed after the cabin was framed.
Title: Re: 20X30 Cottage in North Carolina
Post by: devildog on March 28, 2010, 10:11:09 PM

I sometimes wish I was doing a basement.I have a great slope for a walkout,but we're trying to do this without borrowing money.

Do you have power to your 27' camper? If so, what did the electric co. require you to do as far as putting up a pole? Im wanting to set one on our property,but havent asked yet because my driveway is still not cut down and rocked yet. But next week looks like it could be dry from tuesday on.

I was just looking back over your build and noticed the 20' floor trusses. Could you let me know how much you payed for those? Im wanting to compare them against what it will cost me for block piers,a center built up beam,floor joist,and metal hangers. If cost is close,those look to be easier and faster.
I wonder the same thing about roof trusses. By the time you buy a 30' or 32'(for mine)laminate beam,2x12 rafters(for proper insulation),wouldn't it be just about as cost effective to buy trusses?I definetly want it vaulted.Sorry to rattle on,I think Im going to ask these same questions on general forum.

I do pay close attention to your build,you look like you know what your doing. Your also not too far from my wifes parents, they live in sevierville,TN.

I hope you meet the deadline for your tax credit.
Darrell
Title: Re: 20X30 Cottage in North Carolina
Post by: Osprey on March 29, 2010, 01:34:16 AM
Quote from: devildog on March 28, 2010, 10:11:09 PM

I sometimes wish I was doing a basement.I have a great slope for a walkout,but we're trying to do this without borrowing money.

Do you have power to your 27' camper? If so, what did the electric co. require you to do as far as putting up a pole? Im wanting to set one on our property,but havent asked yet because my driveway is still not cut down and rocked yet. But next week looks like it could be dry from tuesday on.

I was just looking back over your build and noticed the 20' floor trusses. Could you let me know how much you payed for those? Im wanting to compare them against what it will cost me for block piers,a center built up beam,floor joist,and metal hangers. If cost is close,those look to be easier and faster.
I wonder the same thing about roof trusses. By the time you buy a 30' or 32'(for mine)laminate beam,2x12 rafters(for proper insulation),wouldn't it be just about as cost effective to buy trusses?I definetly want it vaulted.Sorry to rattle on,I think Im going to ask these same questions on general forum.

I do pay close attention to your build,you look like you know what your doing. Your also not too far from my wifes parents, they live in sevierville,TN.

I hope you meet the deadline for your tax credit.
Darrell

Same thing I did. Planned on no basement but it end I have an unfinished basement. I am glad I went ahead and spent the extra money for the slab. I already had the windows so beside the slab it wasn't that much more to do the basement. I framed a utility room in the basement for the water heater and well control box. I am glad I have the basement now. The basement will also be a plus if I sell the cabin at some point. If you do decide on a basement consider your septic tank placement as it needs to be below the basement if you want to put in a bathroom later. I didn't so I would have to pump the waste up.

I paid $1400 for the floor trusses. The rest of the cabin is stick built. 2x10 rafters leave room for r-30 insulation. They are 16" trusses so that was one less row of block in the basement needed to get to grade than if I had used 2x12 joists.

I bought the power pole used for $75 dollars. It is set about 3 ft in the ground and braced to the sides. In order to get power I was required to have a septic permit and building permit. It took Duke energy 2 months to finally hook me to the grid. I was without power for just a short time while staying in the camper. The hardest part was bringing in water until the well and pump was in.

I wouldn't spend too much on the road as the cement trucks and other vehicles will keep it torn up. Just get it stable and do the permanent road after you are done.

I am learning as I go and have made plenty of mistakes so take my opinions with a grain of salt. Hope this helps.
Title: Re: 20X30 Cottage in North Carolina
Post by: Osprey on May 16, 2010, 01:45:41 PM
Been awhile since I updated so I thought I would post a few pix of my progress.

I painted the bead board on the ground that I used on the deck ceiling. It took 2 coats of primer per sheet and I also put 2 coats of finish paint on each of the 25 sheets it took to do the deck ceiling.



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Here's a photo of the ventilation chutes on the cathedral ceiling before I installed the insulation. The insulation took a lot longer than I expected. Glad that is over until I move down below in the basement to insulate the floor.


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It took a week for the guys to do the drywall including the beams. It took 89 sticks of corner bead.


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One of the pocket doors disappearing behind drywall.


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Beams


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Laid the sewer line.



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Starting the final "landscaping" so of course we had to destroy the driveway to save it, AGAIN.


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Erosion control. Planted grass.  

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Drywall is done and I have started priming the walls. I will start on the planking for the cathedral ceiling next.

More photos soon.
Title: Re: 20X30 Cottage in North Carolina
Post by: pocono_couple on May 17, 2010, 11:29:53 AM
things are looking great!  I really like the look of the bead board for the porch ceilings.  how thick are the sheets that you used? 
Title: Re: 20X30 Cottage in North Carolina
Post by: Osprey on May 17, 2010, 09:11:19 PM
Quote from: pocono_couple on May 17, 2010, 11:29:53 AM
things are looking great!  I really like the look of the bead board for the porch ceilings.  how thick are the sheets that you used? 

The bead board was surprisingly thin, just under 3/8 inch. It soaked up the paint though. We put it up with staples and nails along the edges. We were originally going to go with rough ply but the bead board had only two seams that needed trim. It was a lot less work and I like the look. Not looking forward to the final coat of paint though.
Title: Re: 20X30 Cottage in North Carolina
Post by: Osprey on June 06, 2010, 01:23:40 PM
Thought I would give a quick update.

We have had good weather and have been making steady progress. I even got a chance to go out on the lake for a bit. A little rainy but the area really lived up to the "Smokey's" name.

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I now have the cabin primed and installed the ceiling planks. Very time consuming but I am happy with the result. I still have to finish the trim.

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The hill I planted the grass on really filled in fast. I have planted English Ivy and it has also started spreading fast.  I think I have the hill stabilized fairly well. I was worried about torrential rains during hurricane season. I even transplanted a cactus I found growing near by. The moss grows all over the rocks here so I have been moving some to the rocks I exposed in the hill.

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Got 2 coats of paint on in the bedroom and bathroom. Here's the bedroom.

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Took a picture of this hawk off the porch. Not many squirrels  since he has been around.

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Working on electrical and moving the well pump controller into the utility room in the basement.

Here is the ceiling fans on the porch

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Doesn't look like I am going to make the deadline for the tax credit which really hurts. The winter weather is what did me in. Just too much left to do and not enough time to finish and still do a good job.  :(

Title: Re: 20X30 Cottage in North Carolina
Post by: cbc58 on June 06, 2010, 01:40:42 PM
is that lake fontana?... or another one?  any trout in that lake?  where do you put in?  looks beautiful.

those beams look like alot of work... but nice when done.

Title: Re: 20X30 Cottage in North Carolina
Post by: Osprey on June 06, 2010, 01:51:08 PM
Quote from: cbc58 on June 06, 2010, 01:40:42 PM
is that lake fontana?... or another one?  any trout in that lake?  where do you put in?  looks beautiful.

those beams look like alot of work... but nice when done.



No, It is Lake Santeetlah. A neighbor has let me keep my Carolina Skiff in the water at his place. I have caught trout and bass so far. I went to Lake Fontana as well but didn't catch a thing. Still getting a feel for the area. A friend came up on his bike and we took turns riding the Dragon. I may have to get me another one to ride. This area is just perfect for motorcycles.
Title: Re: 20X30 Cottage in North Carolina
Post by: John Raabe on June 06, 2010, 01:56:29 PM
Nice work Osprey  :D

I like you ceiling treatment and the exposed trusswork.

What a wonderful location!
Title: Re: 20X30 Cottage in North Carolina
Post by: Osprey on June 06, 2010, 02:05:38 PM
Quote from: John Raabe on June 06, 2010, 01:56:29 PM
Nice work Osprey  :D

I like you ceiling treatment and the exposed trusswork.

What a wonderful location!

Thanks John, The trusses was one of the reasons I chose to build your plan. It really opens up the room and is a convenient place to run wires for lights and surround sound system.

The trusses were a TON of work. I will be painting them flat white as they are a bit wavy. ;D

I love it up here. I can open up a view of the lake but I just can't bring myself to cut anymore trees.
Title: Re: 20X30 Cottage in North Carolina
Post by: astidham on June 06, 2010, 06:07:53 PM
Osprey you cottage is looking great!
Title: Re: 20X30 Cottage in North Carolina
Post by: MountainDon on June 07, 2010, 02:46:19 PM
Your cabin is looking fine Osprey.   


We covet your greenery and the ease of growing. Here in our mountains of NM it's a slower process. Much drier and a shorter growing season.
Title: Re: 20X30 Cottage in North Carolina
Post by: kalstar on August 27, 2010, 07:53:53 AM
The tax credit was extended through Sept (does this apply to your situation).............will you make that date?
Title: Re: 20X30 Cottage in North Carolina
Post by: Rys on November 19, 2016, 11:50:52 AM
Your pictures are not showing up. Do you have them posted anywhere else?
Would love to "see" your build!