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Title: 20'X32' with loft in S. Missouri
Post by: Jeff W on July 30, 2015, 07:16:01 PM
  A few yrs ago I bought 10 acres, paid it off in record time. so I now am going to build Hopefully without debt. ill be mostly alone in this so it will take a good bit of time. My goal right now is the get it dried in. I am including some of my rough costs because that's something I looked for, for reference. keep in mind where I am at things are cheaper than other parts of the country. As well, it is worth mention I do not have to have any permits to build anything, and I do not have to pass any inspections. but like any smart person, I will have things looked over, especially the electrical once its wired. id hate to burn the place down because I was to stupid to make sure it was correct and safe.

Last yr I had the well Drilled and a pump set. I had the drillers go to second water, once finished the well is 330 ft with nice clear water and I ended up with a 55 GPM flow it is cased to 160 ft past all the clay. This cost me $7500. I still have to buy the pressure tank and switch and run the lines and wire.


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Title: Re: 20'X32' with loft in S. Missouri
Post by: Jeff W on July 30, 2015, 07:25:01 PM
The one thing I do not like is concrete work, I bounced back and forth trying to figure out what I wanted to do, piers or foundation, I decided on a foundation with a crawl space only. im not big on basements as they tend to be a collection spot.

  I hired a contractor and he done everything for me, the excavating, footing and foundation walls, drain tile, gravel and backfill..come out about 4' 6" on the foundation. total cost of this was $6582.00, I did not think that was bad at all. and its actually square and level, unlike what I would have done myself  d*

Excavation

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Footings

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All I got to do is clean it up and smooth it out a bit and get building. the pockets the contractor put in for the beam he made 4 2"x12" wide, I think 3 wide for the beam would have been fine, 4 overkill, but its done, so four 2"x12" wide it is.

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There is a sewer district in the area so ill be hooking up to them, they will put in a small tank and pump. I am just 2 miles out of a small town.
Lumber yard has the plans and my modifications to those and figuring up the costs for me right now, I am hopeful to here from them real soon as  I want to get started, I need this up and under roof asap.
Title: Re: 20'X32' with loft in S. Missouri
Post by: CabinNick on July 31, 2015, 08:45:06 AM
Looking good.  I look forward to watching your build.  Thank you for sharing the costs, that is very helpful to get an idea of what others are spending on their project.  I sure wish we didn't have to get permits - the cost for permits is going to be a significant part of our build.  I am hoping to put in two small ponds on our property but it is going to cost me close to $4,000 just in permits for the ponds!
Title: Re: 20'X32' with loft in S. Missouri
Post by: Rys on July 31, 2015, 09:54:03 AM
Looking good! This is the plan we hope to get started on in the next year.
Please keep posting. 
Title: Re: 20'X32' with loft in S. Missouri
Post by: MountainDon on July 31, 2015, 01:15:53 PM
Congrats on getting started. Looks like a nice foundation.
Title: Re: 20'X32' with loft in S. Missouri
Post by: Jeff W on August 06, 2015, 09:37:44 PM
Got the sub floor finished, the heat here has just been murder, but worse the humidity..I got the joists on last Sat and Sun, and started laying the OSB, then rain come in and stopped me and then I had to go back to work. So today I got the day off and finished it up. the 6mil plastic was there because of the rains that blew in. This was around $1800 roughly.

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Title: Re: 20'X32' with loft in S. Missouri
Post by: Rys on August 07, 2015, 12:21:21 PM
Very much enjoying reading about your progress. Thank's for including your costs. That's really helpful as we're in the planning stage. It's nice to know the real costs of things!
Title: Re: 20'X32' with loft in S. Missouri
Post by: Jeff W on August 21, 2015, 05:08:19 PM
framed up, sheethed and now working on the roof..I just got it 2/3rds sheethed and it come some real frog drowners. do yourself a favor and buy the good Advantec sub flooring, and im glad I did.

  Also its been yrs since I have done any home building and I was unaware of the new ZIP sheathing for the walls and roof of new construction. I found out about it after I had the OSB already started.. ZIP Sheathing has the water proofing already on the outside, nail it on and tape the seams with their tape and your good. I got it for my roof today.

anyhow, a few pictures of what I have accomplished so far. I have not put together what I have spent to get this far yet.  d*

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Brother standing on loft joists, it was so hot and muggy it was murder, I was regretting starting this before fall. but it has now cooled off a bit.

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Title: Re: 20'X32' with loft in S. Missouri
Post by: Jeff W on August 21, 2015, 05:16:01 PM
Was putting on the Sheathing and rain blew in  d*

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finished Sheathing and I did get part of my ridge board up today.

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how I braced up to get my ridge board in place...I spliced together 2x4s and created pockets up top, and simply climbed up to death defying heights and layed the board in

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Title: Re: 20'X32' with loft in S. Missouri
Post by: Jeff W on August 21, 2015, 05:24:30 PM
I do have a problem though, I do not know how I created this problem because I am Anal about measuring and checking and measuring and checking. today I was measuring the width of my walls at the end of the house on the loft end...20' 1-1/4" right, so I go to the edge of the loft where im looking down and measure the width there, 20' 1-3/4", somehow I have a half inch difference...and I am beyond the point of fixing it now...my rafters will have no over hang, im going to have a 10' covered porch the entire length front and back..and those rafters will sit on the top plate of the walls as well...what should I do in your opinion cut rafters to fit the longer measurement? split the difference? the rest of the house ill pull the walls back in.
Title: Re: 20'X32' with loft in S. Missouri
Post by: Don_P on August 21, 2015, 07:55:46 PM
Snap parallel lines one on each plate and mark that point on each rafter, set them in reference to the line not the wall. You can, in all of that layout, split the difference where it will show the most while maintaining a straight roof.
Title: Re: 20'X32' with loft in S. Missouri
Post by: Jeff W on August 21, 2015, 08:45:29 PM
Thanks Don, that makes 100% sense!! [cool]
Title: Re: 20'X32' with loft in S. Missouri
Post by: Jeff W on September 01, 2015, 08:08:52 PM
Rafters started. when I got to this point it started raining, my brother was helping so I told him lets go before we slip and fall..next morning still raining, I told him to wait till it cleared off, once it stopped raining and the sun popped out I went out and and as I drove up there was an ambulance, county law and a few others..my brother had decided that a wet ladder was fine and fell..6 broken ribs, partially collapsed lung and lacerations to the liver...people, when it is wet, stop! its not worth it...and oh yeah, he was about 8 ft up, that's all it took. the build stopped..but has resumed since, he is ok.
  waiting to get everything nailed on then ill come up with a rough cost of everything to date.


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Rafters all on

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Cross bracing in and one end raked.

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Shed Dormer started..but not completed yet.

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And the other end in the loft, also unfinished...im about a days work from sheething the roof.
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Title: Re: 20'X32' with loft in S. Missouri
Post by: Don_P on September 01, 2015, 08:47:59 PM
Sorry about your brother and glad it wasn't worse. It's a bad feeling to walk onto a jobsite and realize you've walked into an accident scene.

Don't forget you do need rafter ties in the lower third of the rafter height wherever floor joists aren't performing that function. There is a nailing schedule for them at the very end of the rafter and ceiling joist span tables in the codebook.
Title: Re: 20'X32' with loft in S. Missouri
Post by: Jeff W on September 01, 2015, 09:12:10 PM
Sorry, I have a beam across, and another going in as well to tie the walls together where it's open to the ceiling. I just did not catch it in any of the pics. I'm actually going to building a couple box beams. 2x10x20 sandwiched and then wrapped to look like a solid beams.  looks good, works well and cheaper than solid beams that I have found.
Title: Re: 20'X32' with loft in S. Missouri
Post by: Don_P on September 01, 2015, 10:17:21 PM
Yup, that's the area I was concerned with, sounds like you're doing fine. If everything else is equal, a built up beam is usually about 15% stronger than a solid sawn beam because the defects are better scattered when you nail together a couple of random boards compared to that one big knot that goes clear through a solid timber.
Title: Re: 20'X32' with loft in S. Missouri
Post by: Jeff W on September 06, 2015, 10:00:59 PM
Got a bit more done.. Here are a couple of the shed dormer framing...when I started the dormer I had no clue how to frame it other than I wanted to come right off the ridge board...but once I got started you quickly realize you must think of everything...how your going to have nailers for the sheathing/siding, the roofing and the interior. it took as much time to build the dormer as it did to put up all the rafters for the rest of the roof...but will be so much worth it in the end. for those wondering on cost...right now where I am at, plus I have the timbers for front and rear porches, headers for the rafters to lay on, and all the rafters waiting to be put on. I have a bunch of material laying on the ground still (Both front and back porches will be full length 32' an and 10' deep) I do not have the wood for the decks yet..im after a completed roof and dried in before cold weather. I have spent $17K to this point, foundation included.

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Roof Sheathed on the front side, very hard getting it up there and not falling off. Toe boards are a must, and nail them good.

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Here I have the front sheathed and a row on the back started...you can now see the start of my beams, ill box these in later to look much better. The board on top of the beams was there to help get the first row of sheathing up, id push it up a ladder on the outside and my helper would be inside to get it lined up straight and nailed. of course after my brothers fall, I am constantly going on about not falling, got a harness to wear when possible.

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Title: Re: 20'X32' with loft in S. Missouri
Post by: Don_P on September 07, 2015, 12:55:22 PM
On getting sheets up, if someone could poke me up the corner of a sheet of 5/8 I used to be able to get it swung up onto the roof... those days are gone! Two of us more mature guys wrestled and cursed last week, I might get one of those young'uns next week.

One to put on the rainy day punch list is to go back and add more nails to all the ties, never hurts to stitch them from both sides.

One engineer friend would say of a cut up roof, "Sometimes you just have to start building it and it tells you what to do next". Then sometimes that leads to alot of sawzall work  d*
Title: Re: 20'X32' with loft in S. Missouri
Post by: schiada on September 07, 2015, 10:40:10 PM
This is "GREAT" ! Keep the photos coming ! This will be a big help for me.
Thanks ! Randy
Title: Re: 20'X32' with loft in S. Missouri
Post by: Rys on September 08, 2015, 04:49:07 PM
Love,love,love seeing your posts!
I can't wait for my own dream to become a reality.
Thank you for sharing!
Title: Re: 20'X32' with loft in S. Missouri
Post by: Jeff W on September 24, 2015, 07:35:31 PM
OK, try to start where I left off. ???

Got the Zip Sheathing on the roof. here is from loft looking down inside.

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Dormer.

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Gables sheathed

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Got the Tyvec wrap on and fly rafters on one end, still have the other end to do. just have not had an extra hand to help me get them in place to nail on yet. Also I need extra hands to help hold my windows in the dormer, so those are on hold as well.

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  The Fly Rafters, Barge rafters, whatever you want to call them, I tend to call them Dead Mans, I have not cut the bottoms yet as I have not got around to the porch roofs, once I frame the porch roofs I will figure out how I want to tie them in. Also when I nail up the others I will finish taping the roof seams.

Title: Re: 20'X32' with loft in S. Missouri
Post by: Jeff W on October 17, 2015, 07:51:09 PM
I have gotten a little bit farther along. [cool]

now ready for metal roofing.
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Title: Re: 20'X32' with loft in S. Missouri
Post by: Rys on October 19, 2015, 04:21:10 PM
Looking  good!     [cool]
Title: Re: 20'X32' with loft in S. Missouri
Post by: akwoodchuck on October 19, 2015, 07:50:35 PM
Looks real nice Jeff....always a good feeling to have her buttoned up once those fall colors start showing! Had a question about your center footing not tying in to the perimeter? Wondering if there's a strategy there. Also, the porch beams look pretty light....what's your snow load?
Title: Re: 20'X32' with loft in S. Missouri
Post by: vickeyd on October 20, 2015, 02:35:41 AM
Looking good! Could you help me understand how you did your ridge board? At first I thought you were installing a ridge beam but I don't think that's the case. Do the plans come with different roof support options?
Title: Re: 20'X32' with loft in S. Missouri
Post by: Jeff W on October 20, 2015, 11:19:03 AM
Akwoodchuck. The footing for the center is just how it is going to stay. Originally I was just going to poor 3 2'x2' pads for those jacks. Back fill is not deep enough or heavy enough to concern me.
  The board the porch rafters are sitting on is 2"x10" I had several left over and they are pretty darn strong. Snow load here is minimal, we get some good snows at times but 6" is a pretty hard snow for us.


Vickeyd, no beam, 2"x10" board. The plans have homemade trusses built out of 2x6's and plywood. 2x6 rafters like I did calls for a 2x8 or wide enough to keep the entire face of the rafter on the board to prevent splitting, cut angle will determine what board Width is needed, I'm beyond that. With the collar ties and beams it is not going anyplace. And on the loft end it will also get a knee wall that's 4' tall that will help some.
  The house is solid. Considering some are building on peers, I'm glad I did not.
Title: Re: 20'X32' with loft in S. Missouri
Post by: vickeyd on October 20, 2015, 10:19:24 PM
I'm so glad I stumbled upon your thread. After reading over it again I realize you are doing what I had in mind. Loft at one end and open ceiling over living area. I didn't want the look of exposed trusses but wasn't sure how safe it would be with exposed rafters. I really like the dormer too. Oh one more question, how tall are your side walls and is there good headroom in the loft? Well maybe two questions. Anyway keep up the good work, you are making great progress.
Title: Re: 20'X32' with loft in S. Missouri
Post by: Jeff W on October 21, 2015, 07:45:51 PM
Headspace in the loft room is plentyful. From the floor to the tie collars overhead is 8'8" the floor space is 12' x 20', but I can walk to the roof line opposite the dormer and my head would contact the ceiling when I'm 4' from the end. So loft is 16'x12'. The rafters for the dormer land above the windows 7' above the floor.

The outside walls are 10' but the interior walls are 8'1" and the 2x10 joist for the loft sit on those.
 
  The dormer is 7' wide with the two windows. And my rafters will not be exposed, by the time I insulate and put finishing on they will be covered.

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In this picture, the roll of leftover house wrap is where my head would hit. I'm 5'11".

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Title: Re: 20'X32' with loft in S. Missouri
Post by: Rys on October 21, 2015, 08:12:00 PM
Love the visual. This is the plan I have and we too want to add a dormer.
It's hard to get a feel for things when it's just on paper.   ???
Title: Re: 20'X32' with loft in S. Missouri
Post by: Don_P on October 21, 2015, 09:21:06 PM
It would be better to frame this with a structural ridgebeam, probably a couple of LVL's, preferably with two support posts inside as well as the end walls. Dormers add non uniform loads most of the time and it's a good idea to make the ridge a beam.

You can frame heavier trusses spaced through the building instead of the support posts, they in turn support sections of ridgebeam. That is effectively what this is but the sizes of the members and the connections should be designed to resist local loads. The lower beams here resist the accumulated horizontal load from several rafters, the connections and timbers can be checked against that load and carrying the sections of ridgebeam between each of those truss assemblies.

The porch beams aren't hard to size, this is the method;
If the porch is 12' deep, half of that rafter width is bearing on the house wall, half on the carry beam on the posts. The overhang is entirely bearing on the carry beam. Assuming a 1' overhang that would give 7' of "tributary width" bearing on the beam. If the post to post spacing is 10' then the tributary area bearing on the beam is 70 square feet. In MO I think 30 pounds per square foot would be close, 2100 lbs on a 10' span.
There are other beam calcs, they should be in general agreement.
http://www.timbertoolbox.com/Calcs/beamcalc.htm
Load=2100
Span=120
Width=3
Depth=9.25
Fb=1000
E=1.4
Fv=135
If you back out the 3" width (a double 2x10) and input 1.5", you'll see it fails under full load.

The beam is carrying 2100 lbs so the connection at each end needs to be capable of supporting 1050 lbs, the real way of doing that is to notch the post to accept the beam. One detail is to notch 1.5" in from each face and run a 2x6 ripped to 2.5" wide vertically between the beams and up alongside of the rafter, this forms the hurricane tie and really locks the rafter to beam well.
Title: Re: 20'X32' with loft in S. Missouri
Post by: Jeff W on October 22, 2015, 07:20:55 AM
Don, your saying the way I have the porch fails? Personally load IMO won't be the problem I was concerned with, what concerned me is lift from high winds, so I bought the metal straps that nail from rafter to beam for that purpose.  The beam I have, I'm going to bolt to the timbers soon, and those get covered on each side later, I'm sure this will ad strength, plus I'm wanting to put 4x4s from post to beam in a Y to help with load and add to the look of things. So yeah, the porches are not finished by far, but I needed them framed up to get metal roofing on the whole house ASAP.
Title: Re: 20'X32' with loft in S. Missouri
Post by: Don_P on October 22, 2015, 05:20:13 PM
You can check the actual numbers the same way I did the example, but yes, that should be a double.
Title: Re: 20'X32' with loft in S. Missouri
Post by: Jeff W on October 29, 2015, 08:00:22 PM
Got the front side under steel roofing..get the back side tomorrow and all the trim finished. Then I will get started with putting in Y brace timbers on the porch. and this weekend im going to finish getting wood stove in.

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  I was not thinking clearly when I purchased the flashing for the Stove Pipe, it goes back, and a boot is going on. glad I did not fasten it down.

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Title: Re: 20'X32' with loft in S. Missouri
Post by: Jeff W on November 01, 2015, 02:24:54 PM
And the roof is on.

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Title: Re: 20'X32' with loft in S. Missouri
Post by: vickeyd on November 01, 2015, 07:59:00 PM
Nice job!! Wish I could start on mine but too close to winter now,  but then it rains most of spring and then summers are extremely hot and humid. Can't predict Mother Nature so I might just go ahead and jump in. Winter here is pretty mild until February (usually).
Title: Re: 20'X32' with loft in S. Missouri
Post by: schiada on November 03, 2015, 12:26:04 AM
Looks "GREAT" !

For someone getting started,what would you tell them not to do ?

Randy
Title: Re: 20'X32' with loft in S. Missouri
Post by: Jeff W on November 10, 2015, 06:38:33 PM
Well, im going WAY out on a limb, and I am liable to get bashed...but I would not build this on piers. wooden, concrete or otherwise. you put your money into this, you want it on a good foundation, I was back and forth on this more than I can say, and decided that foundation was just simpler and better in the long run. I walk around this house and I try to imagine it sitting on top of sticks poking out of the ground and cringe. I know, I know, it may work fine, many a home has been built that way, but its someone elses home, besides, getting a bank to loan money on a house sitting on piers is going to be rough, the banks around here wont do it at all, period...that's a resale problem.

  and one more, Don't start this in July or August when the temps and humidity are high...it was unbearable most of those days and the constant sweating, it was all I could do to stay hydrated.
Title: Re: 20'X32' with loft in S. Missouri
Post by: Don_P on November 10, 2015, 06:53:54 PM
How could you say that!





I like July  :)
Title: Re: 20'X32' with loft in S. Missouri
Post by: SWOzarks on November 12, 2015, 10:31:29 AM
Hi Jeff,

Awesome project to date! I'm not far away in SW MO and am contemplating a similar project (or might also go with a garage with apartment above). I've 10 acres just like you do with minimal codes/restrictions.

For a while, you were updating with costs, etc. Would you mind telling us your costs to date?
Title: Re: 20'X32' with loft in S. Missouri
Post by: akwoodchuck on November 12, 2015, 01:28:23 PM
Quote from: Jeff W on November 10, 2015, 06:38:33 PM


  and one more, Don't start this in July or August when the temps and humidity are high...it was unbearable most of those days and the constant sweating, it was all I could do to stay hydrated.

I couldnt agree more....really sucks starting a build in august when winter starts in september  d*
Title: Re: 20'X32' with loft in S. Missouri
Post by: Jeff W on November 14, 2015, 12:06:02 PM
Quote from: SWOzarks on November 12, 2015, 10:31:29 AM
Hi Jeff,

Awesome project to date! I'm not far away in SW MO and am contemplating a similar project (or might also go with a garage with apartment above). I've 10 acres just like you do with minimal codes/restrictions.

For a while, you were updating with costs, etc. Would you mind telling us your costs to date?

I have kinda lost track, but soon I'm going to sit down and go through all the receipts, log siding has been ordered and once I get it on I will do just that.

I do know the metal roof was done by a friend who is in the roofing business and he saved me about $2k, he charged me $4000. Even for materials and labor. The log siding is 10 flat hand hewn simulated look, and 7 gal of sealer/stain costed me just over $5000.
Title: Re: 20'X32' with loft in S. Missouri
Post by: schiada on November 15, 2015, 02:49:34 PM
Jeff, are your walls 2x6 x 10' or 2x6 12' ?
Title: Re: 20'X32' with loft in S. Missouri
Post by: vickeyd on November 18, 2015, 02:38:28 AM
In an earlier post he said they are 10'.
Title: Re: 20'X32' with loft in S. Missouri
Post by: schiada on November 18, 2015, 08:38:46 AM
Thanks, I could not find it.
Title: Re: 20'X32' with loft in S. Missouri
Post by: Jeff W on February 12, 2016, 06:30:22 PM
Been a while, and honestly I still have not sat down and figured up all my costs to date. but I left you when the roof got put on, so a bit of an update.

I trenched and laid in my 200 amp service. I wanted the lines buried and i used 2" Schedule 40 Conduit to put the service wire in.

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Also ran the water line and wires from my well head to the cabin at the same time. When I get ready to hook the well up, I am going to pour concrete around the well head, and build an insulated well house around it. I will place the Pressure tank in the well house, and will have a heater to keep things from freezing in the winter. on the outside I plan to make the well house look like an Outhouse. the Top will be removable for times when the pump must be pulled. The top half of this pump house will be storage for water hoses and things of that sort as well. At least I have a plan of some sort. 180' for electric, another 40 ft for the water lines.

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Spent quite some time staining the log siding, and finally got time to install it, i still have the dormer to finish up and trim around the windows/doors and corners. here is the first days work. and then the finished siding.

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Putting in the last pc. I don't know what this 1.5" siding, sheathing and wrap will bring the R value up to, but I can easily heat the place now and it don't have no insulation.

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All that's left outside pretty much is the dormer, about half a days work. Soffits and Decks, going to put the Soffits and the porch decks off right now, I have moved to the inside now and running all my Electric and plumbing so I can get the place insulated. Nothing you see here has a penny against it, it is all paid for in full, including the 10 acres it sits on, so it is taking longer to get things done. but i do have it dried in and not having to worry about wet weather.

For you people watching the pricing, sorry I lost track, I keep saying im going to get things added up, and I will sometime, I promise, and the prices will be broke down into blocks if I can.
Title: Re: 20'X32' with loft in S. Missouri
Post by: vickeyd on February 13, 2016, 12:16:33 AM
Wow!! Nice siding. What is it? You've came a long way and it looks great.
Title: Re: 20'X32' with loft in S. Missouri
Post by: Jeff W on February 13, 2016, 11:02:22 PM
Quote from: vickeyd on February 13, 2016, 12:16:33 AM
Wow!! Nice siding. What is it? You've came a long way and it looks great.

vickeyd, that is 10" flat log siding with Hand hewn look. I put two coats of Sikkens Proluxe Natural Oak stain.  I found this siding locally here and it is called Teton.

  Once the Decks are on the front and back, the ends of the house I will cover with Rock up to the bottom of the siding to cover the foundation and joists. I am kind of looking at the panels that look like rock, as that may just be easier and look fine.
Title: Re: 20'X32' with loft in S. Missouri
Post by: Jeff W on February 26, 2016, 08:36:36 AM
Have a question, when I built this I put wrap on over my sheathing. Now I am going to buy insulation, found it on sale and saving a ton. Can I use insulation with the backing? In conjunction with the wrap on the outside? Or will that set up a condensation problem?
Title: Re: 20'X32' with loft in S. Missouri
Post by: MountainDon on February 26, 2016, 09:45:25 AM
If the wrap you used on the outside is the usual housewrap and the insulation is fiberglass with kraft paper facing that is fine. Housewrap is an air barrier with microperf's to allow water vapor to pass through.
Title: Re: 20'X32' with loft in S. Missouri
Post by: Rys on February 26, 2016, 09:47:11 AM
Love the look of the log siding. Can't wait to see the stone on the foundation. Bet it will look great!
Title: Re: 20'X32' with loft in S. Missouri
Post by: Jeff W on February 26, 2016, 10:07:59 AM
Quote from: MountainDon on February 26, 2016, 09:45:25 AM
If the wrap you used on the outside is the usual housewrap and the insulation is fiberglass with kraft paper facing that is fine. Housewrap is an air barrier with microperf's to allow water vapor to pass through.


Exactly what I planned and just what I needed to know, thanks! I just wasn't sure and did not want to set it up for problems unaware. I priced insulation at Menards and lowes. I'm saving $600. By buying at Menards. Thats a huge deal for me.
Title: Re: 20'X32' with loft in S. Missouri
Post by: TomT on February 26, 2016, 03:00:44 PM
Menards sales prices can be mighty sweet!  :)

Love your build - well done and mighty fast IMO.
I also cannot wait for that update on cost(s) to date - we keep going back and forth , this way and that.  ;D
Title: Re: 20'X32' with loft in S. Missouri
Post by: Jeff W on March 19, 2016, 12:57:57 AM
Just a little update for those who was watching my costs.

  well drilled with pump set, Foundation and dirt work, framing the house up, under metal roof, windows and doors, Main power service cable from pole and all electrical has been run and breaker box put in, insulation installed.....

Total costs to this point are 41,081.00 its a bit higher than I thought, but remember, I paid someone else to do the foundation and roof, I also rented a ditch witch and bobcat, and purchased some tools I needed along the way. I am guessing I have about 38k in the place if i take away all these extras.
I am pretty happy so far as i do not owe a penny on any of it.
Title: Re: 20'X32' with loft in S. Missouri
Post by: MTScott on April 08, 2016, 10:34:01 AM
Nice build, and it is coming along quickly. 

I'm curious how much extra help you've had?  Has it pretty much been a one man show?

Title: Re: 20'X32' with loft in S. Missouri
Post by: ajbremer on April 08, 2016, 06:10:35 PM
Great looking build Jeff, thanks for those awesome pics!
Title: Re: 20'X32' with loft in S. Missouri
Post by: Jeff W on April 16, 2016, 10:21:25 PM
Quote from: MTScott on April 08, 2016, 10:34:01 AM
Nice build, and it is coming along quickly. 

I'm curious how much extra help you've had?  Has it pretty much been a one man show?

My brother helped me get the floor framed and decked. then him, my nephew helped frame the walls.
Me and my Nephew framed the roof, and sheeted it. I payed a crew to put on the steel roof and I have been alone ever since.

Title: Re: 20'X32' with loft in S. Missouri
Post by: Jeff W on April 16, 2016, 10:47:30 PM
Got the Well house built and all the plumbing done. Used Rough cut Oak from local saw mill and made it to look like an Outhouse. The roof is easily removed so the pump can be pulled with crane. The upper half of the well house will have a removable shelf and ill store hoses, sprinklers and other items inside.

I hooked everything up today to get the water running and the pump would trip the breaker. its never had power and been there for quite a while. the driller who done my well is coming out to pull the pump Monday and figure out what is wrong. wont cost me a dime as he covers everything since its never been hooked up. It is a 3 wire with ground pump, From what I can tell with checking it with a meter, the yellow common and black power for the pump shows correct readings of low resistance. But checking the Yellow Common and Red starter wire, the resistance if through the roof, topping in the 40 ohm..so the wire is bad or the pump was bad and got water in where it is supposed to be sealed. im kind of wondering if lighting didn't hit the red wire and nearly fry it.. Either way will know Monday and will have running water Monday. I am considering buying the bumpers to go on the water line to keep it from rubbing the walls of the well when the pump is running. A common problem that causes the wires to rub in half. While the pump is pulled adding bumpers will stop that and protect the wires from the well wall.

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Title: Re: 20'X32' with loft in S. Missouri
Post by: Rys on April 18, 2016, 07:50:42 PM
Cute well house!
Title: Re: 20'X32' with loft in S. Missouri
Post by: roadmap65 on April 19, 2016, 11:08:52 AM
Jeff, thankyou for all the information you have shared. You have a very beautiful place. We have been planning to build a very similar cabin on our 86 acres. We will be using cash no financing also. We drilled our well  6 years ago and will be starting the cabin build later this year. We are just poor working people so it took us awhile to save. When fnished we will be like you, nothing owed to anyone. Looking forward to further updates. Absolutly love the out house.
Title: Re: 20'X32' with loft in S. Missouri
Post by: Jeff W on April 19, 2016, 01:12:34 PM
Quote from: roadmap65 on April 19, 2016, 11:08:52 AM
Jeff, thankyou for all the information you have shared. You have a very beautiful place. We have been planning to build a very similar cabin on our 86 acres. We will be using cash no financing also. We drilled our well  6 years ago and will be starting the cabin build later this year. We are just poor working people so it took us awhile to save. When fnished we will be like you, nothing owed to anyone. Looking forward to further updates. Absolutly love the out house.

  Roadmap65, just a boost of moral for you. I too am a poor guy. I saved and saved to get here. First thing I did was get myself out of debt, except for living expeses. Then I knuckled down until I had 30k. I figured starting out in my area if I had $30k I could get it dried in, windows, doors, roof and siding. At that point I'd be good as gold. And it worked out. But boy I did without a lot. My truck I purchased new. It's now 14 yrs old, 220k on the odometer. It's pure determination not to eat out or buy things. You can do it.
Title: Re: 20'X32' with loft in S. Missouri
Post by: roadmap65 on June 28, 2016, 07:30:42 PM
Jeff , how is your build coming along? I have been following your build and appreciate you listing your costs. I live just south of you so i figure i might be able to get similar pricing on materials. 
Title: Re: 20'X32' with loft in S. Missouri
Post by: nailit69 on June 29, 2016, 08:23:27 AM
Quote from: roadmap65 on June 28, 2016, 07:30:42 PM
I have been following your build and appreciate you listing your costs.

I'm DIY'ing my 14'x24' and based on actual costs so far and my budget numbers i'm coming in around $30 per sq. ft.. 
Title: Re: 20'X32' with loft in S. Missouri
Post by: Jeff W on July 10, 2016, 11:59:48 AM
Quote from: roadmap65 on June 28, 2016, 07:30:42 PM
Jeff , how is your build coming along? I have been following your build and appreciate you listing your costs. I live just south of you so i figure i might be able to get similar pricing on materials.

Things have been real busy here for while and I have not got to work on it much. But here real soon I'll be back at it. If you would like to see the place let me know, your more than welcome to come check it out.
Title: Re: 20'X32' with loft in S. Missouri
Post by: roadmap65 on July 17, 2016, 05:04:04 PM
Jeff, we would love to take you up on the offer and see your place. Going to try and send you my phone number in a pm.
Title: Re: 20'X32' with loft in S. Missouri
Post by: Rys on August 19, 2016, 05:05:59 PM
Would love to see more pictures, especially of the inside!    :)
Title: Re: 20'X32' with loft in S. Missouri
Post by: Jeff W on November 10, 2016, 06:31:26 PM
Sorry I have been absent here for so long, but it is as I can afford it. d*

OK, I basically let this cabin sit most of the summer and did nothing. but recently got back to it. first I got the front and back decks done to the porches...32' long by 10' deep, each deck was done for right at $1200 each.
 
  here is the back deck getting done...

(https://i1220.photobucket.com/albums/dd453/Passthru1/14468662_1413616988668411_3418354247264916401_o_zpswscie0wo.jpg) (https://s1220.photobucket.com/user/Passthru1/media/14468662_1413616988668411_3418354247264916401_o_zpswscie0wo.jpg.html)

At this point I had to stop for the day, I wanted to go farther but I fell through the joists and got pretty banged up all over. it is about a 4 ft drop tot he ground through them, and I think I het everyone of them joists. but the next week I was back at it. so I got lucky.

(https://i1220.photobucket.com/albums/dd453/Passthru1/14435275_1414480681915375_3720562351007316355_o_zpsqvevhuub.jpg) (https://s1220.photobucket.com/user/Passthru1/media/14435275_1414480681915375_3720562351007316355_o_zpsqvevhuub.jpg.html)

And the finished deck

(https://i1220.photobucket.com/albums/dd453/Passthru1/14434874_1416565375040239_7005005758938653319_o_zpswcrs3ysp.jpg) (https://s1220.photobucket.com/user/Passthru1/media/14434874_1416565375040239_7005005758938653319_o_zpswcrs3ysp.jpg.html)

(https://i1220.photobucket.com/albums/dd453/Passthru1/14500712_1416565371706906_7583110445359003071_o_zpslicpglcg.jpg) (https://s1220.photobucket.com/user/Passthru1/media/14500712_1416565371706906_7583110445359003071_o_zpslicpglcg.jpg.html)


Also got the front one on asap, its pretty close to the ground, so I had to do a little work to direct water out from under it should it get under the deck, so I put a gentle grade from one end to the other and put down two layers of plastic and some rock on top in places to hold it down.

(https://i1220.photobucket.com/albums/dd453/Passthru1/14445125_1422899561073487_1854530057835756416_o_zpsn5gdlpyx.jpg) (https://s1220.photobucket.com/user/Passthru1/media/14445125_1422899561073487_1854530057835756416_o_zpsn5gdlpyx.jpg.html)
Title: Re: 20'X32' with loft in S. Missouri
Post by: Jeff W on November 10, 2016, 06:45:54 PM
Ordered the car siding (or knotty pine paneling) I figured roughly 3580 ln ft needed so I just made it easy and ordered a full bundle of 4000 ln ft. I got it from some Mennonites here close by for  right at .51 cents a ln foot. it was pretty good looking wood and so far I have hardly had any waste...be sure you go look before buying if possible so you know what your getting.

  got started on the knotty pine, I practiced in the guest bedroom down stairs, I had never hung the stuff and wanted to figure out the ins and outs and it was the perfect place to start. then I jumped right out into the living space and went for it.
I am Shellacking the knotty pine, not poly. I do not want poly on it for my own personal reason. the Shellac is nice, it goes on like water, dries fast and has just the right amount of shine for the wood to look natural and light. im mixing just enough amber Shellac to tint the clear (8 oz. amber to 2 qts. clear). the walls I hung without Shellac, but the over head stuff is Shellacked before hanging. the walls I amm going to spray on.

(https://i1220.photobucket.com/albums/dd453/Passthru1/15025496_1464136470283129_7081398639817473241_o_zpsv2irmvie.jpg) (https://s1220.photobucket.com/user/Passthru1/media/15025496_1464136470283129_7081398639817473241_o_zpsv2irmvie.jpg.html)

(https://i1220.photobucket.com/albums/dd453/Passthru1/14991024_1464136590283117_1701343565190643416_o_zpsi8xczk6o.jpg) (https://s1220.photobucket.com/user/Passthru1/media/14991024_1464136590283117_1701343565190643416_o_zpsi8xczk6o.jpg.html)

Panoramic, the wood looks waving, its not, hand shook taking the panorama.

(https://i1220.photobucket.com/albums/dd453/Passthru1/14566322_1444314722265304_5817349936501096812_o_zpsg69nqnh1.jpg) (https://s1220.photobucket.com/user/Passthru1/media/14566322_1444314722265304_5817349936501096812_o_zpsg69nqnh1.jpg.html)

and started the ceiling on the front side. this is where I have stopped, I took a week off work to bow hunt, and now its firearms deer season, so I will get back in there around Thanksgiving.

(https://i1220.photobucket.com/albums/dd453/Passthru1/15000183_1464136596949783_1399750990414475911_o_zpsj43qhzto.jpg) (https://s1220.photobucket.com/user/Passthru1/media/15000183_1464136596949783_1399750990414475911_o_zpsj43qhzto.jpg.html)

(https://i1220.photobucket.com/albums/dd453/Passthru1/14855985_1453572171339559_7904901642598499635_o_zps6obthkuu.jpg) (https://s1220.photobucket.com/user/Passthru1/media/14855985_1453572171339559_7904901642598499635_o_zps6obthkuu.jpg.html)
Title: Re: 20'X32' with loft in S. Missouri
Post by: ChugiakTinkerer on November 11, 2016, 10:33:02 AM
Looking great!  I really like the look of the decking.  Is that cedar?
Title: Re: 20'X32' with loft in S. Missouri
Post by: Rys on November 11, 2016, 11:32:30 AM
Looks awesome! Thanks for sharing. 
Title: Re: 20'X32' with loft in S. Missouri
Post by: Jeff W on November 11, 2016, 05:57:52 PM
Quote from: ChugiakTinkerer on November 11, 2016, 10:33:02 AM
Looking great!  I really like the look of the decking.  Is that cedar?

No, that is your standard 5/4" PT decking, some of it was fresher and still pretty soaked, the lighter color had sat on the shelf a bit and dried some.
Title: Re: 20'X32' with loft in S. Missouri
Post by: Don_P on November 11, 2016, 06:04:13 PM
Those hurt, you find out over the next several days just how many places you hit. Shellac is an interesting finish, looks good.

Wood stuff, the decking is treated SYP, I'd bet it carries a gradestamp that reads R.E.D. radius edge decking, which is it's own special grade sort of like "STUD" (which is a grade of 2x4). The orange you see on some boards is heartwood. The cells are occluded by extractives in the heartwood of SYP and do not accept treatment. The heartwood of SYP is listed as moderately decay resistant so above ground is a good use for these trees at a moderate treatment level to get the sapwood up to the same resistance. With a little sun and time it becomes uniform pretty quickly. Foundation grade SYP specifies all sapwood so the higher level of treatment can penetrate fully, a good use for younger trees. Rambling aside, the pic showed some neat stuff.
Title: Re: 20'X32' with loft in S. Missouri
Post by: roadmap65 on November 17, 2016, 03:03:34 PM
Looks really good Jeff. You have made some progress since my wife and I last saw your cabin. We are getting ready to start ours soon. We are putting a basement under ours. I had some questions about  the size and where you got the windows. I changed phones and lost your number, sent you a pm with my new number.
Title: Re: 20'X32' with loft in S. Missouri
Post by: Jeff W on December 20, 2016, 10:07:46 PM
After struggling with this knotty pine siding, I finally got around to using my brain.. most of the lengths I am using are up to 16' long, 12' 14' and 16' they are nearly impossible to get them up overhead alone. I was doing all kinds of things then I thought to myself..."Dummy, you have scrap, you have plywood...make something". Below is a picture of my helping hands, I made 3 of these out of plywood with small pieces of siding sandwiched between them. I cut the tongue off and it gives me a place to tap with a hammer. I left the groove to keep from damaging the piece I was hanging. I cut angles on the ends of the plywood so that I am not ripping my insulation when sliding them in or pulling them out. And sanded the cuts smooth.
  Of course the last couple rows I cannot use them, but boy they make things easier. you slide these in between studs or rafters, I start in the middle, then go slide one on each end, then its just a matter of getting the boards tapped into place and nailing.

(https://i1220.photobucket.com/albums/dd453/Passthru1/image_zpsfly7sh5g.jpg) (https://s1220.photobucket.com/user/Passthru1/media/image_zpsfly7sh5g.jpg.html)


  This picture was before I figured out I needed to cut the angle on both ends, otherwide you tear the insulation paper when pulling them out.
(https://i1220.photobucket.com/albums/dd453/Passthru1/image_zps9e7fpsqu.jpg) (https://s1220.photobucket.com/user/Passthru1/media/image_zps9e7fpsqu.jpg.html)
Title: Re: 20'X32' with loft in S. Missouri
Post by: ChugiakTinkerer on December 21, 2016, 01:00:16 PM
 [cool]

How does that saying go?  "Necessity is a mother..."

Well done and thanks for sharing.
Title: Re: 20'X32' with loft in S. Missouri
Post by: Jeff W on January 22, 2017, 10:04:41 PM
Well, I managed to get the ceiling all hung up, put in trim today and put up the fan. I needed to get that trim up top put in and the fan in so I could pull all the boards and plywood off so I could do the end. I can do that end from ladder. But the real high stuff I'm not able to do from a ladder. Those beams have been real handy. I also got most of the lady finished. I'm close to finishing up the knotty pine and moving quickly to being able to put in wide plank flooring.

(https://i1220.photobucket.com/albums/dd453/Passthru1/420F8E24-33E1-4501-A346-AD5DB1872FC7_zpsmtso5zag.jpg) (https://s1220.photobucket.com/user/Passthru1/media/420F8E24-33E1-4501-A346-AD5DB1872FC7_zpsmtso5zag.jpg.html)

(https://i1220.photobucket.com/albums/dd453/Passthru1/71FD26A9-F768-4995-99F5-BD0F75A0D203_zpswy02hpdm.jpg) (https://s1220.photobucket.com/user/Passthru1/media/71FD26A9-F768-4995-99F5-BD0F75A0D203_zpswy02hpdm.jpg.html)

Working by yourself is hard, slow and dangerous. Remember, you'll have help some of the time. But most of the time your on your own. You are your only dependable help.

Title: Re: 20'X32' with loft in S. Missouri
Post by: Rys on January 25, 2017, 03:28:29 PM
Would love to see more pictures of your loft area. Love the planks the way you angled them!  [cool]
Title: Re: 20'X32' with loft in S. Missouri
Post by: Jeff W on January 25, 2017, 10:18:30 PM
Quote from: Rys on January 25, 2017, 03:28:29 PM
Would love to see more pictures of your loft area. Love the planks the way you angled them!  [cool]

Ill grab some more pictures of the loft for you, I have not been very good at showing it.  Ill be over there every night this week through the weekend so I will try to remember.
Title: Re: 20'X32' with loft in S. Missouri
Post by: Jeff W on January 29, 2017, 08:09:56 PM
Video, hope this works. Got all the knotty pine up, needs trimmed out but that can wait. It's onto the floors next.

https://vimeo.com/201592136?ref=em-share
Title: Re: 20'X32' with loft in S. Missouri
Post by: Rys on January 30, 2017, 01:02:21 PM
Neat! Really gives a feel for the place.
Thanks for sharing.
Title: Re: 20'X32' with loft in S. Missouri
Post by: CabinNick on January 30, 2017, 09:38:52 PM
Thanks for sharing the video.  I am planning on putting a shed dormer of the same size in the same spot; very helpful to see yours.  Cabin looks great. 
Title: Re: 20'X32' with loft in S. Missouri
Post by: Jeff W on March 23, 2017, 04:43:59 PM
a bit of progress.

dry wall finished and painted. paint was given to me, free.

(https://i1220.photobucket.com/albums/dd453/Passthru1/D057964E-C2E3-49AC-A29C-F622B16FFB49_zpshysz2quf.jpg) (https://s1220.photobucket.com/user/Passthru1/media/D057964E-C2E3-49AC-A29C-F622B16FFB49_zpshysz2quf.jpg.html)

Rock under wood stove, not pretty but does what it needs to do.

(https://i1220.photobucket.com/albums/dd453/Passthru1/A55C79CB-EC09-42C4-9291-CBE104EF3460_zpsqnlouwuo.jpg) (https://s1220.photobucket.com/user/Passthru1/media/A55C79CB-EC09-42C4-9291-CBE104EF3460_zpsqnlouwuo.jpg.html)

Put down 8" wide plank tongue and grove flooring. I put this in rough side up on purpose, it will get sanded, but I will leave a lot of the roughness, but the dirty marks that you see are from the mill and will be gone. The wood for this cost me $1500.00 for roughly 1450 Ln Foot, or 880 sq ft. I used 2 rolls 15lb felt paper under it. Blind nailed with flooring cleats rather than staples.
  I picked up Stain and polyurethane today, that's 2 gallon of each, $200.00

(https://i1220.photobucket.com/albums/dd453/Passthru1/218480E9-5B2F-461A-82E9-E164FBF0D69D_zpsjzlxsqc8.jpg) (https://s1220.photobucket.com/user/Passthru1/media/218480E9-5B2F-461A-82E9-E164FBF0D69D_zpsjzlxsqc8.jpg.html)

(https://i1220.photobucket.com/albums/dd453/Passthru1/5D452219-AD3A-4D40-8FEE-6D6FF33CEE62_zpsgorkahgr.jpg) (https://s1220.photobucket.com/user/Passthru1/media/5D452219-AD3A-4D40-8FEE-6D6FF33CEE62_zpsgorkahgr.jpg.html)

And I think I have figured out how I want to trim out the windows and doors, here is an example.

(https://i1220.photobucket.com/albums/dd453/Passthru1/F8C799DB-622E-4B44-9D78-B9659D0395DF_zpsprumztcs.jpg) (https://s1220.photobucket.com/user/Passthru1/media/F8C799DB-622E-4B44-9D78-B9659D0395DF_zpsprumztcs.jpg.html)


Title: Re: 20'X32' with loft in S. Missouri
Post by: Jeff W on April 12, 2017, 08:07:50 PM
Stain and first coat of Poly on. once they are finished I will get better pictures of the floor.

(https://i1220.photobucket.com/albums/dd453/Passthru1/078C8D8A-E815-4BD0-B93A-C3687AC5DDD4_zpsgntcqepe.jpg) (https://s1220.photobucket.com/user/Passthru1/media/078C8D8A-E815-4BD0-B93A-C3687AC5DDD4_zpsgntcqepe.jpg.html)

(https://i1220.photobucket.com/albums/dd453/Passthru1/6A5C9115-5801-4E65-A32E-FC35A363D530_zpsiknuycxd.jpg) (https://s1220.photobucket.com/user/Passthru1/media/6A5C9115-5801-4E65-A32E-FC35A363D530_zpsiknuycxd.jpg.html)
Title: Re: 20'X32' with loft in S. Missouri
Post by: Adam Roby on April 12, 2017, 08:16:03 PM
Looks awesome.   [cool]
Title: Re: 20'X32' with loft in S. Missouri
Post by: Rednightsky on May 20, 2017, 01:48:43 PM
Hello looks great so far!

Can you post a rough floor plan? Is there any bedrooms on the bottom floor or just the loft? Thanks!
Title: Re: 20'X32' with loft in S. Missouri
Post by: rickeyleee on July 09, 2017, 08:50:25 PM
Can you post floor plan and link to all your pictures?  My computer shows all of your photobucket pictures as error messages.  Thanks
Title: Re: 20'X32' with loft in S. Missouri
Post by: azgreg on July 09, 2017, 10:03:06 PM
Here's his library.

https://s1220.photobucket.com/user/Passthru1/library/?sort=3&page=1
Title: Re: 20'X32' with loft in S. Missouri
Post by: rickeyleee on July 12, 2017, 08:36:46 PM
Thanks for the link
Title: Re: 20'X32' with loft in S. Missouri
Post by: Jeff W on July 15, 2017, 03:08:14 PM
Sorry about the pictures. Seems that every hosting site wants money. Can't blame them. Yes that's the link to my Photobucket.
  The plans are the basic floor plans sold here, the 20x30 1.5 story. I've merely extended the length to 2 ft and flipped the bed and bath to opposite sides. Put a closet/ utility between them. I have a video someplace. I'll make a new video to show where I'm at right now and link it. I'm still not moved in, I need to do a few more things to get there, money run short and I'm doing it out of pocket.