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Title: metal building, weekend cabin
Post by: mikkelibob on January 19, 2009, 04:37:47 PM
Jim kindly has mentioned "Postings here are NOT limited to projects built with our plans." This is fortunate, because what I'm about to build is gonna be ugly compared to the works of beauty on here. Unfortunately at this time we are on a pretty substantial time & money budget. Down the line we hope to building something more aestheticly pleasing. This won't be our retirement home (at least I hope not!). In the mean time, the project is a metal building. Quick and dirty.

The location: We have about 35 acres in the Texas hill country. Utilities are nearish, but electricity is probably around $3k, and a well is probably $4k (probably ~300 ft). The property is pretty well wooded, at least in a central Texas way. A creek running through a portion of it. The creek is very heavily wooded with some really great pecans and oaks. As for actual water, its a wet weather only thing. We have a clearing surrounded by some great shin oak motts, a pioneer pecan, and of course some evil cedar. Our budget is about $12k at the outset. We are hoping to spend about that much to dry in & insulate.

The plan: At the moment the idea is to erect a 20x30 metal building with a 10' eave on a slab. One long side will have an additional covered patio. We're designing it so that in the future it could be expanded (i.e. a framed out opening along a gabled side), although that's probably not going to happen anytime soon. We've looked at a lot of the DIY kits, but we have found a local rancher guy who has built a few "hunting cabins" on his spread to lure rich Dallas-ites.

The specs: The main construction is 4x4 square tubes and 2x6 cee purlins. The roof will be u-panel galvalume steel, and the sides will be the baked paint u-panels. Once the structure is up and the panels on, the rest of the labor will be our own. Inside we will frame out with either 2x4 or 2x6, so that we can hang drywall and frame up rooms. Directly onto the steel siding we will get icyene foam sprayed on. We are considering 2 or 3" of foam, and then possible either pink fiberglass, or rigid foam. Once its up and the insulation is in, the building is more or less habitable, if only just one large great room. Since current "home" at the ranch is an ancient shasta bumper pull trailer, even that is a win. The final finish out is still being discussed. Currently plans are for a "bathroom". We don't intend to have a septic system set up, but we do hope to put in the proper plumbing connection should we decide to add that later. Initially the bathroom will be room for a shower and a wag bag facility (i.e. our toilet). We may eventually put in a composting toilet if the septic regs or costs are too much. Two very small bedrooms for privacy will be framed up (probably 10x10). Just enough room for a double bed and a trunk. We spend most of our time outside, the bedrooms are just for the bunks.

Concerns: condensation and shifting foundations. My major concern is metal condensation. Fortunately the soil we are building on doesn't seem to have much clay, so I'm not all that concerned about a shifting foundation. We're in a pretty major drought, and I just don't see any cracks in the soil, whereas cracks can swallow small children east of here. I'm somewhat concerned about mice and carpenter ants eating the spray insulation, just to spite me.

For water: we intend to put a gutter on at least half the building, and collect rainwater. Since our primary usage is weekend getaways, the capacity won't be much of an issue. We've done okay hauling 5 gallon containers so far, so I'm not too worried. Plus we're friendly with the neighbors and have borrowed a garden hose from time to time. Probably just a 300 gallon cistern. We will pour a seperate slab for this at the time the foundation is poured.

For electricity: we have a honda e2000 generator. Enough for a small window unit in a single bedroom, but not enough to cool the place. We will wire for 120v for the future, but I'm considering also wiring for 12v in case we just go with a small solar panel, a marine battery,a few LED lights, and a water pump.

For heat: honestly not much an issue most of the year. The few cold nights we probably won't venture forth from the big city. I would like to get a small wood stove at some point, so to that end we will probably put in cement backboard and tile the floor in an area so that we're safe when we do find a good deal on craigslist.

Plans are still being drafted, but we hope to "break ground" in the near future. Stay tuned. I hope to share cost information and post lots of pictures.

a few questions:
1. Is concrete treated with anti-hydro mean you can go without a vapor barrier under the slab? Or is that marketing hype?
2. To prevent sweat problems, is it necessary to do spray foam on the walls, or is vinyl backed insulation good enough? We will definitely go with the spray foam on the roof.
Title: Re: metal building, weekend cabin
Post by: river place on January 19, 2009, 07:15:12 PM
We're from DFW TX but building in AR.

Because of time constraints we decided to build a pole barn first as this gave us storage and a place to work from when we build the actual house.  At the end of the pole barn we are putting in a 10x10 bathroom area and a 20x10 den which will be heated and cooled along with being insulated.

We had a company called National Barn build a 30x40 barn with 3 big doors for air flow and a regular 3.0 door for entry.  The barn has 12 foot walls and we had them install an insulation barrier under the metal roofing and have not seen any signs of condensation this year.  The barn cost 10K erected on our site.  We then had a 6 inch concrete slab poured for 4K inside the barn.  We plan on using 4x8 sheets of foam/foil sided panel in the walls for insulation.  The bathroom and den area will also have additional insulation in the walls when I build them.  Our house when we build it will have spray in foam.
Title: Re: metal building, weekend cabin
Post by: mikkelibob on January 19, 2009, 08:32:31 PM
Sounds like a plan! Can you explain the insulation material used on the ceiling/roof? Was it foil backed pink insulation (or vinyl backed, something else entirely, etc). Spray in foam is kinda pricey. My estimate for 3" icyene is $1.20 a board foot, so that's pretty much $2k right there. I'm not sure if they can spray in "thinner". I just want to be sure I don't get any mold issues later on.

behind this table is the clearing which we are planning to build. Of course I don't have a picture of the actual location, that would be too easy.
(https://i488.photobucket.com/albums/rr246/mikkelibob/landjune2008659.jpg)

"front yard" view:
(https://i488.photobucket.com/albums/rr246/mikkelibob/landjune2008647.jpg)
Title: Re: metal building, weekend cabin
Post by: muldoon on January 19, 2009, 09:04:16 PM
there are quite a few people pursuing this, and I looked at it quite a bit myself.  I still have not ruled it out in the longer view. 

the term I have had the best luck googling is barndominium. 

I particularly was inspired by this guy - I even emailed him back and forth a few times with questions. 
http://www.redstone-tech.com/ranch/cabin_construction.htm


a few other links - really there are tons of this from google search.
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=barndominium


http://www.reichardtconstruction.com/barndo.asp

http://barndominium.vevco.com/anatomy/index.php

http://www.paperthreads.com/blog/shirleysdesigns/index.php?itemid=31

Title: Re: metal building, weekend cabin
Post by: mikkelibob on January 19, 2009, 09:55:36 PM
Jackpot! In all my googling I had never come across the term "barndominium"! But that's definitely what I had in mind.
Title: Re: metal building, weekend cabin
Post by: glenn kangiser on January 20, 2009, 10:17:13 AM
mikkelibob, sorry I didn't see this sooner.

Been busy.

I have built a lot of steel buildings and I would say even a thin coat of Icynene on the ceiling will stop near all of your condensation problems.  Not much likely on the walls but standard fiberglass with the vapor barrier inside should take care of that.  A cheaper alternative would be 2" UL Vinyl sandwitched between the purlins and sheeting.  You will lose a bit of insulation value at the purlin pinch point but it would likely stop most all condensation also.  then Icynene would be superior sprayed on the roof purlins also.  Dripping from the ceiling can be a problem without the insulation.  On the walls it is not much problem.

My buddy, Okie BoB loves Icynene. :)
Title: Re: metal building, weekend cabin
Post by: river place on January 20, 2009, 10:25:35 AM
As mentioned the roof is where the condensation problem will exist.  On my barn roof they used a roll out type insulation.  We also went with a galvanized silver finish on the roof metal to reflect as much heat as possible.  I'm using the board type foam insulation on the walls to reduce the amount of heat radiated into the barn and this is something I can do myself and over time.

I went with 12ft walls to keep the heat high up and also allow for building the living area and still have storage room on top.

For the small living area I will stick build the enclosure and use common fiberglass as the price has dropped quite a bit with the slow down in housing.
Title: Re: metal building, weekend cabin
Post by: travcojim on January 20, 2009, 11:45:48 AM
Back a few months ago when we were looking at what we were going to do on our land here in Arkansas we talked to a man in Missouri that builds steel cabins, and then puts slab siding on the exterior, looks very nice,  His price for a 24x40, if we had the foundation down, either slab or post and beam, he does the complete structure, it was $4900,  thats not with the slab exterior, but that is in the dry with a front door and 3 windows,  extra windows run about $100 each.  His display house had waferboard on the interior and it was rather warm in there on a very cold day.
  But the price was not bad.  Of course add another 1500 for the foundation, its still not a bad deal, And it goes up in 2 days, 
Title: Re: metal building, weekend cabin
Post by: mikkelibob on January 21, 2009, 04:18:53 PM
Pole barns were discussed. When it comes to bargains and $/sqft., I think they definitely take the cake. We're going with a welded up steel building, on the theory that termites and grass fires aren't uncommon dangers these parts. For whatever reason there are a multitude of metal building outfits all over, but fewer outright pole barn folks. Maybe its a regional thing?

Interesting to hear that we may only need the spray insulation on the roof. I'm not sure if the contractor will want to drive up all that way for such a smallish job, but it can't hurt to ask. After looking more into the barndominiums, it appears a great money of they just have a portion of a much larger barn made into living quarters. This will definitely be 100% insulated living space, although we may spring extra for a very large area to be used as a covered patio. I suppose at some point we could enclose the patio and use it as true garage/barn storage.

I've noticed that some of the metal buildings have continuous roofs, basically a big seamless curve. That certainly has merit, as there are few/no places to leak. We will probably do a peaked roof. One because that's what we've spec'd out, and two because I'm somewhat dubious about the ability to patch or re-roof a continuous curve. Some googling has indicated its possible to put new purlins over an existing roof, and put new panels on top. They even make special re-roofing purlins that fit in the u-patter of the panels.
Title: Re: metal building, weekend cabin
Post by: river place on January 22, 2009, 01:05:20 PM
We looked into the wleded and bolted steel buildings also.  In the end we went with Nationl Barn because of their reputation and the fact that I didn't need to be there often (sign off for supply shipment and signoff for build completion.  Their central office is in OK but they build everywhere.

To reduce the fire risk we put down gravel 12 to 15ft out from the barn.

I would have preferred steel except most required a parameter foundation be built first which ment more supervision from me.  The foundation and cost to erect was quite a bit more.  Steel should last a very long time. 

The pole barn went up fast, no crane needed, put the posts into the ground with 80lb concrete mix per hole, the barn has a treated board at the bottom of siding that allows a slab to be poured later.  To increase the life of pole barn poles, they can put sleeves on they at an addtional cost.
Title: Re: metal building, weekend cabin
Post by: mikkelibob on February 20, 2009, 10:45:36 AM
We now have more or less "plans". Its going to be basically a 30x30, with 10x30 of it as a dedicated big ole porch. Bedrooms are very small, but we are modeling them on RV sizes to keep a more reasonably sized living area for rainy days.

(http://i39.tinypic.com/2h5iux0.jpg)
Title: Re: metal building, weekend cabin
Post by: Windpower on February 20, 2009, 11:06:10 AM
Don't know how I missed this one

This is exactly (well pretty close) to our plans

We have a 40 X 80 pole barn that we are going to convert to an 'apartment'

40 X 40 living space with post and beam

40 X 40 dream shop with poured concrete floor

I love it "barndominium"

This forum is a gem -- I really am enjoying this and learning a  lot

later, I have to go fix a sick Gas Chromatograph
Title: Re: metal building, weekend cabin
Post by: mikkelibob on February 20, 2009, 11:28:12 AM
more or less staked out. When we do a slab, it will be professionally formed up.
(http://i39.tinypic.com/2qkjtqx.jpg)
Title: Re: metal building, weekend cabin
Post by: mikkelibob on March 21, 2009, 05:07:03 PM
got the slab in this week, about 10 yards:

(http://i42.tinypic.com/fmjv41.jpg)
Title: Re: metal building, weekend cabin
Post by: ScottA on March 21, 2009, 07:42:09 PM
Slab looks great. No plumbing?
Title: Re: metal building, weekend cabin
Post by: mikkelibob on March 21, 2009, 11:27:20 PM
The pictures kinda cuts off the left corner. It has a connection for a toilet, a shower, a bathroom sink and a kitchen sink.

The rebar to the right is so we can tie it into a thinner slab that will be a front porch the length on the long side.
Title: Re: metal building, weekend cabin
Post by: muldoon on March 22, 2009, 01:19:54 AM
Bob,

Looks good.  I'd be interested in seeing a picture of the plumbing rough-outs you have if you have one.  I also am in Texas hill country (Fayette county tho).  Can you tell me who you used for the slab?  Are they involved in the metal building or separate? 
Title: Re: metal building, weekend cabin
Post by: mikkelibob on March 22, 2009, 05:52:17 PM
Ha, I just went through the dozen or so pictures, and of course I don't have a good close up of the rough ins. We got the concrete out of Lampasas. We did the clearing, leveling, rebar, rough ins and forms ourselves. We ordered the concrete with a no-sweat additive, and a fiber that's supposed to help with strength. All in all it went really easy, although the cement truck left some nasty ruts in the dirt.

We are building this thing with the help of an old rancher guy in the area. For lack of a better term, he's our general contractor. He's put up a couple cabins of similar design for his hunting lessees, and we were impressed with the workmanship. I had been kicking around the idea of a metal building as a cabin, and he were chatting over some gate work and he mentioned he had done exactly that, so we checked them out.. Like any rural area, its good to know the locals and be on good terms with folks. He's going to come in and do the welding when its time, while I spot and spray the errant sparks (massive drought in the area necessitates a two man crew). Next step is to put in the 4x4 metal posts, starting with the ones that are on the edge of the patio. The main cabin and the patio would have been too much concrete for us to do one pour, so we will come back and do that pour last. We're hoping to have the shell up over the next couple of months.
Title: Re: metal building, weekend cabin
Post by: mikkelibob on May 23, 2009, 10:41:46 PM
left side:
(https://i488.photobucket.com/albums/rr246/mikkelibob/left_side.jpg)
right side:
(https://i488.photobucket.com/albums/rr246/mikkelibob/right_side.jpg)
So far, this is what we've got. First stringer up at 3'. Still need to a stringer at 7' up, and the top beam on the porch side. Have another few more purlins to be put up. The windows we found on clearance at Home Depot, and will be put up pretty soon (or at least frame out the windows). You can see the concrete pad we poured in case we end up doing rainwater collection. Hopefully over the next month we'll get the roof on, and maybe the sides, too.
Title: Re: metal building, weekend cabin
Post by: glenn kangiser on May 24, 2009, 11:58:19 AM
Looks good.  I have built around 300 of these - pre-engineered as well as add ons I designed.

I forget if it was mentioned but you can get fiberglass insulation of 2" or so with a white vinyl covering that just sandwiches between the purlins and sheeting.  It takes care of condensation issues even though it is pinched at the purlins.  I used to get White  2" UL Vinyl covered fiberglass.
Title: Re: metal building, weekend cabin
Post by: waterbug on May 24, 2009, 03:20:45 PM
mikkelibob,

Thank you for the update and pictures. I have been trying to convince my wife that we should go the metal frame route for a while. Hopefully this will help her see the possibilities.
Title: Re: metal building, weekend cabin
Post by: mikkelibob on May 31, 2009, 11:07:12 AM
we've got windows!
front
(https://i488.photobucket.com/albums/rr246/mikkelibob/mesq_windows.jpg)
front (from front right corner)
(https://i488.photobucket.com/albums/rr246/mikkelibob/front_windows.jpg)
left side (bathroom side)
(https://i488.photobucket.com/albums/rr246/mikkelibob/left_windows.jpg)
right side:
(https://i488.photobucket.com/albums/rr246/mikkelibob/right_windows.jpg)
Still to do is the 7' stringer on half the back (to the left of the backdoor), and a smaller 2x3 window there for the "kitchen". Other than that, we're almost up to putting on the roof and sides. Hopefully by the end of June we'll be dried in.
Title: Re: metal building, weekend cabin
Post by: Bishopknight on May 31, 2009, 09:05:38 PM
Wow very cool. Its great to see so many different kinds of projects on this website!  ;D
Title: Re: metal building, weekend cabin
Post by: mikkelibob on June 15, 2009, 03:39:12 PM
progress continues.... slowly. Stringers up, doors on, all the windows in.
(https://i488.photobucket.com/albums/rr246/mikkelibob/100_1209.jpg)
Hope to have most or all of the roof on by the end of this coming weekend. The shade at that point will be greatly appreciated! Should take long after that to do a coat or two of concrete sealer and put up the tin for the walls.
Title: Re: metal building, weekend cabin
Post by: Redoverfarm on June 15, 2009, 03:58:19 PM
What is the roof pitch 3-4/12 and the shed doesn't look quite that much either.  Does move a little faster than wood frame until you get to the inside.
Title: Re: metal building, weekend cabin
Post by: mikkelibob on June 20, 2009, 08:50:01 PM
Yeah, roof pitch is 3/12, and the porch is more like 2/12. There is a transition there, which could be trouble, but since its not over insulated living space, I'm not worried about it.
Update: its freaking hot.
(https://i488.photobucket.com/albums/rr246/mikkelibob/062009_fr_left.jpg)
(https://i488.photobucket.com/albums/rr246/mikkelibob/062009_leftside.jpg)
Not a lot of "during" photos, since we were too busy sweating and drinking in order to sweat. Probably won't get walls up for another 2 weeks. But lemme tell you, the porch already feels nice. Once we got a couple panels up, the dog stayed under. Smart dog.
Title: Re: metal building, weekend cabin
Post by: ToddSInGA on June 23, 2009, 11:09:17 AM
Wow, I LOVE this idea!!! I'm getting ideas together for my first home and the metal building conversion seems like what I'm headed towards.

Thanks for sharing with us :)
Title: Re: metal building, weekend cabin
Post by: Susan on the Osage Plains on June 23, 2009, 03:01:14 PM
My brother did this and they have a cozy home. 

He and his wife, myself and my husband and a neighbor built it.

We've thought about going this route,,,but haven't decided yet.


Title: Re: metal building, weekend cabin
Post by: considerations on June 24, 2009, 08:05:47 AM
It looks good right now.  Just put up screens instead of walls and move in. (for the summer)  8)
Title: Re: metal building, weekend cabin
Post by: mikkelibob on July 04, 2009, 09:31:25 PM
2 of 4 sides up, and trim.
delivery of wall and trim materials:
(https://i488.photobucket.com/albums/rr246/mikkelibob/metal_delivery.jpg)
so hot, the ants fried:
(https://i488.photobucket.com/albums/rr246/mikkelibob/ants_hot.jpg)
this is the south side, we decided it needed a window.
(https://i488.photobucket.com/albums/rr246/mikkelibob/needs_window.jpg)
welding up the purlins
(https://i488.photobucket.com/albums/rr246/mikkelibob/welding_window.jpg)
tada
(https://i488.photobucket.com/albums/rr246/mikkelibob/window_tada.jpg)
Title: Re: metal building, weekend cabin
Post by: mikkelibob on July 04, 2009, 09:34:06 PM
window trim:
(https://i488.photobucket.com/albums/rr246/mikkelibob/window_trim.jpg)
measure twice, cut once. here's a little window
(https://i488.photobucket.com/albums/rr246/mikkelibob/panel_trace.jpg)
sawing aint so bad, but its loud
(https://i488.photobucket.com/albums/rr246/mikkelibob/panel_cut.jpg)
back:
(https://i488.photobucket.com/albums/rr246/mikkelibob/back_side.jpg)
front:
(https://i488.photobucket.com/albums/rr246/mikkelibob/front_side.jpg)
Title: Re: metal building, weekend cabin
Post by: Redoverfarm on July 05, 2009, 06:51:28 AM
Looking real good and making great progress.  What type of window trim are you using.  With metal I can see there would be a tendency to leak if the trim wasn't designed right.  Are you going with spray foam insulation?  Although you do not have the cold to really worry about you will probably need something to protect you from the heat.
Title: Re: metal building, weekend cabin
Post by: mikkelibob on July 05, 2009, 01:35:47 PM
The windows were home depot clearance specials. All aluminum framed, which makes it easy to just metal screw into the purlins. The trim is just kinda j shaped metal pieces ordered from the metal supply folks. The metal panels come down over the j, as sort of a built in flashing. Honestly, its not awesome, from the side you can kinda see into the unpainted portion of the trim. Eventually we might rip some 1x1s and match the paint to dress it up a little.

The plan is to put spray foam on the underside of the roof, maybe down about 8" on the long north/south sides where the walls go past the 10' purlin to join the roof. We may do spray foam above the 10' line on the east/west (peaked) sides as well. Just a little, we'd rather save a little and have the spray foam to stop condensation and then add some fiberglass under that. The roof purlins are true 6", so even with an inch or two of foam, we'll have some space. We could always fur out another couple of inches if we want more. The trim is just basic metal trim, which isn't super tight, i.e. the foam will be nice to help seal things. I may stuff steel wool into whatever holes I find before the foam guy comes out. The walls are otherwise probably just going to be vinyl backed fiberglass.

The two bedrooms are going to be insulated well in the inside walls and ceilings (above the rooms will be some loftish storage space). The plan - for now - is to have the bedrooms able to be independently cooled in the warmer months with 1 or 2 honda eco generators. The 600 some sq ft is probably too much to really cool the entire thing without a big/loud generator or a giant solar system. I'm hoping to put a small solar sytem in (12v maybe) just for LED lights and maybe some fans.
Title: Re: metal building, weekend cabin
Post by: mikkelibob on July 11, 2009, 06:43:44 PM
still have trim to do:
(https://i488.photobucket.com/albums/rr246/mikkelibob/casita_right.jpg)
(https://i488.photobucket.com/albums/rr246/mikkelibob/casita_back.jpg)
Title: Re: metal building, weekend cabin
Post by: mikkelibob on September 07, 2009, 03:08:19 PM
trim is up:
(https://i488.photobucket.com/albums/rr246/mikkelibob/casitawtrimlft.jpg)
We put down some 'concrete sealer'. Maybe its all snake oil, but I figured if it does any good it will be worth it. Went ahead and put down probably 4 gallons. Between the wall panels and the bottom stringer I put down a ton of silicone; and between the stringer and the concrete did another bead of silicone. Used 32 tubes when all was said and done, including where the metal panels meet on the inside. I put it on thick everywhich way I could, since it will be covered up with drywall I don't care if it looks to bad.

framing up a bedroom and bathroom. Will put in 1x furring strips along the external walls, and will frame up another small bedroom. Above the 8' studs will be a fully insulated cieling. That way the top can be used as loft storage.
(https://i488.photobucket.com/albums/rr246/mikkelibob/IMG_2258.jpg)
Title: Re: metal building, weekend cabin
Post by: mikkelibob on October 07, 2009, 02:08:59 PM
lots of 'cone to seal as best I could the bottom where the walls meet the lower stringer & slab.
(http://i27.tinypic.com/107w1ec.jpg)


(https://i488.photobucket.com/albums/rr246/mikkelibob/IMG_2252.jpg)

rafters for the little storage loft above the bedroom and bathroom. Bedroom with pull down attic stairs for out of the way access:

(https://i488.photobucket.com/albums/rr246/mikkelibob/photo2.jpg)



ED: inserted picture separators for clarity - MD
Title: Re: metal building, weekend cabin
Post by: MountainDon on October 07, 2009, 02:31:19 PM
Nice to see progress.



I don't recall i you stated what sort o insulation method you will be using?
Title: Re: metal building, weekend cabin
Post by: mikkelibob on October 07, 2009, 03:01:57 PM
At the moment the plan is spray insulation for the roof, and vinyl wrapped fiberglass insulation for the exterior walls. Under the roof we may do as little spray foam as possible (enough to prevent condensation on the underside of the metal), and fill the rest of the 6" purlin depth with regular insulation. We will use regular 3.5" pink fiberglass to insulate the interior walls of the bedrooms, so that our little honda generator can power a small window a/c to cool off a bedroom for summer sleeping.

If anyone has experience with insulating the underside of metal roofing, let me know. The vinyl backed insulation is probably quite a bit cheaper, but I want to reduce/eliminate condensation issues as much as possible.
Title: Re: metal building, weekend cabin
Post by: mikkelibob on December 29, 2010, 02:14:19 PM
sorry to bring this back up (a special "addition" to our home slowed things down greatly!), but the project continues...

septic and temporary water/plumbing
(https://i488.photobucket.com/albums/rr246/mikkelibob/IMG_2340.jpg)
(https://i488.photobucket.com/albums/rr246/mikkelibob/bathroom.jpg)
(water heater vent now installed, not pictured)

kitchen:
(https://i488.photobucket.com/albums/rr246/mikkelibob/kitchen.jpg)

trimming the roof for gutters:
(https://i488.photobucket.com/albums/rr246/mikkelibob/trimming.jpg)

water collection (temporary support, 8 pt posts were 6 inches short. doh!)
(https://i488.photobucket.com/albums/rr246/mikkelibob/temp_watercollection.jpg)

propane heat, 12v lights & water pump, additional 110v set up when plugging in trusty honda generator, all more or less operational. Partial drywall/insulation, wood burning stove, and completion of water line from 1550 gal tank on our list.
Title: Re: metal building, weekend cabin
Post by: dridril on December 31, 2010, 10:13:08 PM
did you ever drill a well ?
if you can get a 300' well drilled and pump & pt installed for $4000 your getting a heck of a bargain
i just had one drilled here in Fayette county 132' deep and it was almost $ 4700
water sand from '85 to 130 makeing about 15 gal/min
Title: Re: metal building, weekend cabin
Post by: mikkelibob on January 03, 2011, 08:01:00 PM
Never even got a quote. A neighbor has let us fill the 55 gal barrels gratis. Just installed the water collection - way cheaper given our very modest usage. If we ever retired out there we would build a proper house, and convert this into a shop (which is what it is as far as the county knows). I always was told 10 to 12 bucks a foot, plus pump. But surely that's too simple, I am sure there are fixed and overhead costs that apply.