Adding a bedroom in the garage

Started by Dave Sparks, March 15, 2012, 02:29:10 PM

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Dave Sparks

My SO wants to add a bedroom in my man cave. The garage is two vehicle deep (40 x44').  I was wondering if there were any ideas on building a wide door into the bedroom so a car could still go in there.  It would have to have a fire rating and be not to "mancavish".

Any ideas? or places to look at fire doors?
"we go where the power lines don't"

JRR

Breathing benzene/gasoline fumes, especially as we sleep, is a big "no-no".  Cancer causing.  So keep this in mind as you design your space.


Rensmif

Quote from: JRR on March 15, 2012, 03:42:55 PM
Breathing benzene/gasoline fumes, especially as we sleep, is a big "no-no".  Cancer causing.  So keep this in mind as you design your space.

That is a very good point, with that in mind I would not see it as an option I would use.  Seems you should do one or the other.  Interesting question though.

old_guy

With an attached garage, the house needs to be one or two steps higher, to keep heavy bad gasses (carbon monoxide, etc) from leaking into living space.  Bedroom should also be raised for same reasons, which would make dual usage difficult.

Gotta' be a way, though.

Dave Sparks

#4
The room would be for car storage and no sleeping. or, it would be for sleeping and no car storage.
"we go where the power lines don't"


muldoon

QuoteMy SO wants to add a bedroom in my man cave.

I don't think you can call it a man cave if the SO gets to do that.  Turn in your man card, build the bedroom. 

Dave Sparks

Muldoon,

Insight is always what I expect here. If I can figure a way to do this,  I think that I will be able to keep the card and even keep the SO. ;)
"we go where the power lines don't"

MountainDon

Quote from: Dave Sparks on March 16, 2012, 01:54:44 PM
The room would be for car storage and no sleeping. or, it would be for sleeping and no car storage.

Use would or could alternate on some predetermined schedule or phase of the moon?   Just to clarify the issue.

Note: re the CO issue.
The molecular weight of air is 28.966
The molecular weight of CO is 28.011
So CO is really just a little lighter than air.
So a step down is not going to do anything.

CO also mixes readily in air and will quickly diffuse to be found in near equal parts anywhere in the room.  CO, as a by product of combustion, is therefore usually warmer than the air in the rest of the space. Therefore that can make it want to rise. But diffusion takes over quickly.

My garage floor is lower than the balance of the house. A whole 3.5".  ;)  The door between the door is heavily weatherstripped/sealed and equipped with a closer.


What is, or will be, the decorating motif of the space in question?  Industrial or frilly curtains?   ;D
Just because something has been done and has not failed, doesn't mean it is good design.

MountainDon

Pardon the hasty, not to scale drawing.

This represents the garage/bedroom/mancave space as I see it.
Four quadrants; 1, 2, 3 & 4.
At present all are garage?
Which quad(s) would become the bedroom?

Walls A-C, C-K, K-H and A-H are exterior walls or at least delineate the perimeter.

Which lines would be any added, new, interior walls?
Which segments would contain automobile size doors?
Just because something has been done and has not failed, doesn't mean it is good design.


MountainDon

OK, here's my idea.

Let's say there is an interior wall from D to G (making areas 1 & 2 into a room. Areas 3 & 4 are garage. Exterior garage doors are located in wall segments H-J and J-K, or maybe one big door in wall segment H-K.

An interior sectional or roll up overhead door is installed in wall segment D-F with the tracks / hardware on the garage side (area 4). This door would need to be properly sealed, etc to meet codes. Not sure how to be safe on that.

Then on the inside of wall D-F, that is looking at that wall from area 1 you install a roll up - roll down window quilt to cover the "ugly" overhead door. They come in all sizes; we have one 8 feet winde and 6 feet tall... almost garage door size. And it's for sale.... cheap, used.



Link to 1windowquilts.com
Just because something has been done and has not failed, doesn't mean it is good design.

JRR

It was Benzene I mentioned:  6 carbon atoms attached to 6 hydrogen atoms .... limited to less than a fraction of one percent in gasoline in North America ... but according to American Petroleum Institute, the only acceptable level is "zero".

From Wikipedia:
Benzene causes cancer and other illnesses. Benzene is a "notorious cause" of bone marrow failure. "Vast quantities of epidemiologic, clinical, and laboratory data" link benzene to aplastic anemia, acute leukemia, and bone marrow abnormalities.[41][42] The specific hematologic malignancies that benzene is associated with include: acute myeloid leukemia (AML), aplastic anemia, myleodysplastic syndrome (MDS), acute lymphoblastic leukemia (ALL), and chronic myeloid leukemia (CML).[43]

The American Petroleum Institute (API) stated in 1948 that "it is generally considered that the only absolutely safe concentration for benzene is zero."[44] The US Department of Health and Human Services (DHHS) classifies benzene as a human carcinogen. Long-term exposure to excessive levels of benzene in the air causes leukemia, a potentially fatal cancer of the blood-forming organs, in susceptible individuals. In particular, Acute myeloid leukemia or acute non-lymphocytic leukaemia (AML & ANLL) is not disputed to be caused by benzene.[45] IARC rated benzene as "known to be carcinogenic to humans" (Group 1).

Outdoor air may contain low levels of benzene from automobile service stations, wood smoke, tobacco smoke, the transfer of gasoline, exhaust from motor vehicles, and industrial emissions.[46] About 50% of the entire nationwide (United States) exposure to benzene results from smoking tobacco or from exposure to tobacco smoke.[47]

Vapors from products that contain benzene, such as glues, paints, furniture wax, and detergents, can also be a source of exposure, although many of these have been modified or reformulated since the late 1970s to eliminate or reduce the benzene content. Air around hazardous waste sites or gas stations may contain higher levels of benzene. Because petroleum hydrocarbon products are complex mixtures of chemicals, risk assessments for these products, in general, focus on specific toxic constituents. The petroleum constituents of primary interest to human health have been the aromatic hydrocarbons (i.e., benzene, ethylbenzene, toluene, and xylenes). OSHA requires that a mixture "shall be assumed to present a carcinogenic hazard if it contains a component in concentrations of 0.1% or greater, which is considered to be a carcinogen.[48][49]

The short-term breathing of high levels of benzene can result in death; low levels can cause drowsiness, dizziness, rapid heart rate, headaches, tremors, confusion, and unconsciousness. Eating or drinking foods containing high levels of benzene can cause vomiting, irritation of the stomach, dizziness, sleepiness, convulsions, and death.

The major effects of benzene are manifested via chronic (long-term) exposure through the blood. Benzene damages the bone marrow and can cause a decrease in red blood cells, leading to anemia. It can also cause excessive bleeding and depress the immune system, increasing the chance of infection. Benzene causes leukemia and is associated with other blood cancers and pre-cancers of the blood.

Human exposure to benzene is a global health problem. Benzene targets liver, kidney, lung, heart and the brain and can cause DNA strand breaks, chromosomal damage, etc. Benzene causes cancer in both animals and humans. Benzene was first reported to induce cancer in humans in the 1920s. The chemical industry claims it was not until 1979 that the cancer-inducing properties were determined "conclusively" in humans, despite many references to this fact in the medical literature. Industry exploited this "discrepancy" and tried to discredit animal studies that showed that benzene causes cancer, saying that they are not relevant to humans. Benzene has been shown to cause cancer in both sexes of multiple species of laboratory animals exposed via various routes.[50][51]

Some women having breathed high levels of benzene for many months had irregular menstrual periods and a decrease in the size of their ovaries. Benzene exposure has been linked directly to the neural birth defects spina bifida and anencephaly.[52] Men exposed to high levels of benzene are more likely to have an abnormal amount of chromosomes in their sperm, which impacts fertility and fetal development.[

old_guy

Thank you, MountainDon for correcting me regarding CO and the raised floor.  I try to not comment (always, not just here) unless I am certain of the facts.  I was certain here, and wrong.  Like always, you present the facts to make it clear.  You have saved me from repeating this one again.

To paraphrase Reagan - "Well, the trouble isn't that old_guy is ignorant, but that he knows so much which isn't so."

MountainDon

You aren't the only one who has incorrect info on CO. For some reasdon I've run across many others who believe CO is heavier than air.  ???


Just because something has been done and has not failed, doesn't mean it is good design.

Dave Sparks

I was really looking for a door solution here that would look nice. I successfully lived and traveled for 10 years on the ocean and did not blow my wife up so the safety part I am just accepting as good info but...

I am really thinking of a metal door that I could hide with drapes in the bedroom. All the living space in this home is currently uptairs. The room is mainly for storage and an occaisional visit from my brother-in-law who drinks all my whiskey.

"we go where the power lines don't"


Dave Sparks

I recieved an e-mail from xxx and his suggestion was perfect for my dilemma.  I really did not want to lose access to the space in the garage by making a bedroom. I really did not want it to look hoaky with a door.

His sugestion was make a removable wall.  make it wide enough for a car. use removable metal inspection covers to screw it on. make all doors accessing it 2 hour fire doors and voila. 

Thanks all!
"we go where the power lines don't"