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Title: 12 x 16 backyard workshop
Post by: Mike 870 on November 18, 2011, 07:10:08 PM
I've been a CountryPlans member for some time now hopeing to be able to buy land and build that dream cabin somewhere.  Well my saving is going a lot slower than my learning so I have decided to build myself a shed/workshop in the meantime.  In my town you're allowed a 200 square foot structure without needing a plan review or being considered a dwelling.  The other nice thing is that the measurement is taken at the base of the building, not the overhang.  Another restriction that will drive the way I build is a 15 foot height limit.  Normally this wouldn't be a problem, but the site is on a slope so If they take the measurement from the downhill side I might be cutting it close 

Last weekend I posted an ad on craigslist for a free shed and got about 20 emails and calls.  The next day two guys came out with a towtruck.  They got a decent 8 x 12 shed and I got a cleared building site for my new workshop.  I went down to the town offices, paid $ 35 for a permit, and called to have the utility companies come out and make sure there was nothing buried where I want to dig. 

I just got done digging for 2 hours and I have two holes done.  My soil is pretty rocky and it's slow going.  As long as you pace yourself and don't think about being done it's not so bad.  For me the journey is the reward.  I'm probably going to enjoy building this as much as I will enjoy using it.  My goal is to get my piers and beams in before it snows and then finish up in the spring.   My permit is valid for 6 months.

Here are some pictures of the site with my old shed. 


(https://i801.photobucket.com/albums/yy300/Mike_1894/Shed%20Project/craigslist006.jpg)

(https://i801.photobucket.com/albums/yy300/Mike_1894/Shed%20Project/craigslist011.jpg)
Title: Re: 12 x 16 backyard workshop
Post by: duncanshannon on November 19, 2011, 03:28:44 PM
great interim project!  i'm going to do the same next summer (i hope).

what are you going to build?

I'm planning on building the 10x14 little house and cut it down to 12' (120 sq ft limit in my town)

do you have much experience with building? (i dont)
Title: Re: 12 x 16 backyard workshop
Post by: Mike 870 on November 19, 2011, 05:40:09 PM
It's funny I feel like I have experience building because I've been reading these forums for 4 years or so, reading Fine Homebuilding, the Nash book etc.  But all I've really done is build some furniture.  I'm going to give it a craftsman look.  It wont really match my house (brick ranch)  but I don't care too much.  I don't have plans per say but I have a good idea what I want to do.  I got 2 more holes dug in my spare time today.  Man, I can run a marathon, win bike races, but digging holes is totally humbling me.  My back kills.  Four more to go tomorrow.
Title: Re: 12 x 16 backyard workshop
Post by: Barry Broome on November 20, 2011, 09:28:20 AM
I know how you feel about the digging. Sometimes I have to dig holes for my work and it can be tough. I don't think there's anyway to prepare your body for it... just plain hard work. It works on my back and over time has built up my shoulders and arms.
Title: Re: 12 x 16 backyard workshop
Post by: Mike 870 on November 24, 2011, 03:09:27 PM
I dug 2 more holes, set 2 posts, got the other 2 corners placed and got the 4 corners squared up.  Getting it square was kinda tricky without a helper.  Also, my string was probably not the right kind.  Too much stretching.  I got set back pretty bad by some heavy rain.  My holes filled up with water and I had to bail them out.  I used the experience gained to grade the site better and build a drainage swale.  I'll post some progress pictures Sunday.

My shortest post is 9 inches above the ground.  Should I still use pressure treated wood to build my beams?  I'm also trying to figure out how to spec my beams.  I have 4  6*6 posts on each side that are 5'4" on center so a little under 5 ft spans. 
Title: Re: 12 x 16 backyard workshop
Post by: MountainDon on November 24, 2011, 04:19:36 PM
Beam wood that is closer than 12 inches to the ground should be PT. Joists if closer than 18" to the ground on their bottom edge should be PT as well.

What's the snow load?  If 30 psf or less then with that pier spacing ypu could get away with 2-2x8 on something that narrow. Two-2x10 so much the better.   Are those 6x6 S4s making them 5.5x5.5 in reality. Then add some 1/2 spacer material. If the posts are rough go with three layers of 2x8.

Title: Re: 12 x 16 backyard workshop
Post by: Mike 870 on November 27, 2011, 08:54:53 AM
I got a little more work done yesterday.  I was hopeing to put in a solid day of work today.  First the stone place was closed (ran out of crushed stone) yesterday and now it's raining today. 

The snow load is 20 psf and the posts are 5.5 x 5.5

(https://i801.photobucket.com/albums/yy300/Mike_1894/Shed%20Project/shedproject002.jpg)

(https://i801.photobucket.com/albums/yy300/Mike_1894/Shed%20Project/shedproject001.jpg)
Title: Re: 12 x 16 backyard workshop
Post by: Mike 870 on December 18, 2011, 04:19:12 PM
Got this window for $60 off craigslist.

(https://i801.photobucket.com/albums/yy300/Mike_1894/shedproject013.jpg)
Also got almost nothing done since last time I posted.  I really don't ever have a big chunk of time to dedicate. An hour here, hour there.  Then once you take out your tools and put them away, you really haven't accomplished much.  Slow and steady though.

(https://i801.photobucket.com/albums/yy300/Mike_1894/Shed%20Project/shedproject012.jpg)
Title: Re: 12 x 16 backyard workshop
Post by: Barry Broome on December 19, 2011, 10:28:24 PM
very cool window  :)
Title: Re: 12 x 16 backyard workshop
Post by: Mike 870 on January 08, 2012, 07:29:03 PM
I made a little bit more progress.    I chose to go with hangers instead of sitting on top of the beams to save some height.  I'm allowed 15 feet, but in the back I'm already 3 feet off the ground once you get to the top of the beams. The joists that don't have hangers are sitting on the post.  All this wood is pressure treated even though it's different colors.   I decided to put felt in between the hangers and the wood.  After trying to figure out what chemicals the wood was treated with and what type were allowed with the hardware I gave up and decided it was easier to just use the felt.  The hangers add about $30 to the project and take significantly longer than just resting on top of the beams.  It's also difficult to position the hangers when working alone.  I had to build up supports to hold the joists where I wanted them.   

(https://i801.photobucket.com/albums/yy300/Mike_1894/Shed%20Project/shedproject006.jpg)

This next picture shows what I did to prevent horizontal movement.  The joints are pretty bad because I had to move the structure to square it up and since this is the back I didn't care if it was not even.  The front all lines up well.  As you can see my posts were about a half inch off.  This is the one place I didn't put felt under the hardware.  Even if the hardware corrodes the bracing will still perform it's duty because it's secured on the other side and also wedged in there pretty good.  I'm not really woried about movement in the other direction since there are 4 posts in that direction to provide support and only the back posts stick out of the ground very far. 

(https://i801.photobucket.com/albums/yy300/Mike_1894/Shed%20Project/shedproject003.jpg)

Had to use the come along to take some of the bend out of the wood.

(https://i801.photobucket.com/albums/yy300/Mike_1894/Shed%20Project/shedproject005.jpg)

Title: Re: 12 x 16 backyard workshop
Post by: Mike 870 on January 18, 2012, 08:51:18 PM
I have a couple questions for the panel.  I picked up some 1 x 12 pine boards.  I want to use these as the roof sheathing above the rafters.  Should I lay them diagonal or perpindicular to the joists?  I want to add some rigid insulation on top of them so the shed holds heat better during occasional winter space heating.  I doubt the shed will ever be air conditioned.  My second question is this.  Do you think I can get by with 1.5 or 3 inches of insulation?  I think anything more than that would look out of scale and kind of dumb.   According to the Nash book I am in a zone requireing R20 for an unvented cathedral ceiling to be insulated above the rafters to aviod issues with dew point.  I'm thinking with only occasional space heating this isn't much of a concern for me, but I want to make sure.

For my roof section I am thinking the following layers:

3/4 pine
roofing felt (basically so you don't see the blue through the cracks)
1.5 or 3 inches of XPS
3/8 sheating
felt/ peel & stick membrane where appropriate
shingles

Also, I was going to treat the pine with watco danish oil for looks on the inside, do you think I should treat the top of the pine?  How about under the overhang?

pile of pine:
(https://i801.photobucket.com/albums/yy300/Mike_1894/Shed%20Project/shedproject001-2.jpg)
Title: Re: 12 x 16 backyard workshop
Post by: Squirl on January 19, 2012, 09:41:57 AM
"Should I lay them diagonal or perpendicular to the joists?"

It depends.

Perpendicular is acceptable for code minimum.    It is even acceptable for sheathing in moderately severe conditions depending on zone in the American Wood Council's guide for wind and seismic framing.

Diagonal is stronger (by a lot).  It requires more work, cutting, and waste.

Plywood is the strongest.

Your call.
Personally I would base that decision on what conditions I expect it to survive and how much time and money I had to throw at it.
Title: Re: 12 x 16 backyard workshop
Post by: Mike 870 on January 26, 2012, 06:41:35 PM
Thanks squirl.  I reasoned that since I will have another layer of sheating on top of the insulation, it's ok to lay it perpindicular.  Any thoughts on the insulation thickness I should go with?   

I'm really wishing I had gone with Advantec or plywood, we're getting a ton of rain and my tarps are only partially effective.  Hopefully I will have rafters up by the weekend which will  make my tarp perform a lot better.

In other news.  I have 3 walls up and the 4th almost framed.  Everything is coming out and going up square and plumb so far which is making me really happy.

Here are some pictures, I'm a bit further along than this.
(https://i801.photobucket.com/albums/yy300/Mike_1894/Shed%20Project/shedproject002-2.jpg)
(https://i801.photobucket.com/albums/yy300/Mike_1894/Shed%20Project/shedproject003-1.jpg)
Title: Re: 12 x 16 backyard workshop
Post by: Mike 870 on January 27, 2012, 07:17:50 PM
movin fast now

(https://i801.photobucket.com/albums/yy300/Mike_1894/Shed%20Project/shedproject002-3.jpg)
Title: Re: 12 x 16 backyard workshop
Post by: Mike 870 on January 28, 2012, 08:23:18 PM
My circular saw broke today, got a new dewalt (the one they reccomend in fine homebuilding online).  It is night and day better than my old saw.  The guard doesn't lock up during cuts, good visibility from all angles and it is about half the weight. 

Really was not expecting my rafters to fit first try so it was a pleasant surprise when everything was good to.

(https://i801.photobucket.com/albums/yy300/Mike_1894/Shed%20Project/shedproject002-4.jpg)

I've got some cool stuff in mind for the gable ends.  Hopefully it all scales well.
Title: Re: 12 x 16 backyard workshop
Post by: rick91351 on January 28, 2012, 08:48:29 PM
Thanks for the tip on the DeWalt Saw.  I bought one a couple years ago.  A left handed version.  I love it!  Never even knew they made such a critter.  Thanks DeWalt.   
Title: Re: 12 x 16 backyard workshop
Post by: Mike 870 on February 02, 2012, 07:58:47 PM
Rick that Dewalt continues to impress me.  Before, I thought I just wasn't a very good carpenter.  With the quality saw I can make cuts freehand that I wouldn't have dreamed of without a guide. 

I've been working away when I get spare time.  Here is where I'm at now.  You can see it starting to take shape.  Sorry if you're on dial up!

That header up top won't really span that far.  I also decided I didn't need to stagger my sheathing in front since there is a big window over the joint anyway.

(https://i801.photobucket.com/albums/yy300/Mike_1894/Shed%20Project/shedproject003-3.jpg)

side view

(https://i801.photobucket.com/albums/yy300/Mike_1894/Shed%20Project/shedproject004-1.jpg)

Inside view.  My rafters are on 24 inch centers.   The floor joist on the end will be used to make a shelf.  My rafter tie is right about in the middle of the rafter.  I wanted it that way to have 10 ft of clearance to swing boards around inside while I'm working.  Hopefully it doesn't give me any problems.  If it does, I'll just have to fix it. 

(https://i801.photobucket.com/albums/yy300/Mike_1894/Shed%20Project/shedproject005-1.jpg)

I have to figure out how much space to allow for outside trim before I finish putting the sill, header and cripples in the dormer

(https://i801.photobucket.com/albums/yy300/Mike_1894/Shed%20Project/shedproject007.jpg)
Title: Re: 12 x 16 backyard workshop
Post by: Mike 870 on February 04, 2012, 12:30:19 PM
Here is my half hip proof of concept...

First time I did this, I layed out the length of the jack rafters using the 8/17 rise and run, but erroniously used the 8/12 to draw the angles on the end of the jacks.  Also, I borrowed my friends beveling sliding mitre saw, with a laser, which makes it so much easier to get the angle you want.   

(https://i801.photobucket.com/albums/yy300/Mike_1894/Shed%20Project/shedproject001-4.jpg)
Title: Re: 12 x 16 backyard workshop
Post by: Mike 870 on February 04, 2012, 06:22:55 PM
(https://i801.photobucket.com/albums/yy300/Mike_1894/Shed%20Project/shedproject002-6.jpg)
(https://i801.photobucket.com/albums/yy300/Mike_1894/Shed%20Project/shedproject003-4.jpg)
(https://i801.photobucket.com/albums/yy300/Mike_1894/Shed%20Project/shedproject005-2.jpg)

Gee dang it, I'm good at making things more complicated than they have to be!  I just haaaad to have a half hip roof.
Title: Re: 12 x 16 backyard workshop
Post by: duncanshannon on February 29, 2012, 08:20:02 PM
gettin fancy! looking good!
Title: Re: 12 x 16 backyard workshop
Post by: Kris on March 01, 2012, 10:53:36 AM
cool project man....
Title: Re: 12 x 16 backyard workshop
Post by: Mike 870 on April 02, 2012, 07:41:59 PM
Made a little more progress.
(https://i801.photobucket.com/albums/yy300/Mike_1894/Shed%20Project/shedproject004-8.jpg)

(https://i801.photobucket.com/albums/yy300/Mike_1894/Shed%20Project/shedproject003-12.jpg)
Title: Re: 12 x 16 backyard workshop
Post by: NM_Shooter on April 03, 2012, 09:30:39 AM
Very nicely done.
Title: Re: 12 x 16 backyard workshop
Post by: UK4X4 on April 03, 2012, 03:54:24 PM
I reply 16 you show a pic of your shed roof extension from the inside

You have doubled up rafters and uprights, but below you have a single stud- not sure if its correct or not but I think I'd add a second stud and carry the weight down

Note I'm not a carpenter and this stick building is still new to me
Title: Re: 12 x 16 backyard workshop
Post by: MountainDon on April 03, 2012, 04:00:20 PM
I think the doubled top plate makes it okay.    ???
Title: Re: 12 x 16 backyard workshop
Post by: Mike 870 on April 03, 2012, 04:07:12 PM
It's not ideal, but it has some more support in there now so the span isn't as far as the previous picture.   

(https://i801.photobucket.com/albums/yy300/Mike_1894/Shed%20Project/shedproject002-7.jpg)
(https://i801.photobucket.com/albums/yy300/Mike_1894/Shed%20Project/shedproject001-6.jpg)
Title: Re: 12 x 16 backyard workshop
Post by: NM_Shooter on April 03, 2012, 07:54:24 PM
Hmmmm... i also noticed that the dormer header is made up of stitched together 2x4s too... I don't think that will work well for you.  a couple of solid 2x6 would be cheap insurance.
Title: Re: 12 x 16 backyard workshop
Post by: Mike 870 on April 07, 2012, 04:40:36 PM
Bit more progress.  Skylights

(https://i801.photobucket.com/albums/yy300/Mike_1894/Shed%20Project/shedproject004-3.jpg)
(https://i801.photobucket.com/albums/yy300/Mike_1894/Shed%20Project/shedproject002-8.jpg)
(https://i801.photobucket.com/albums/yy300/Mike_1894/Shed%20Project/shedproject001-7.jpg)
Title: Re: 12 x 16 backyard workshop
Post by: duncanshannon on April 08, 2012, 10:15:00 AM
Skylights... nice. Are those pretty straight forward if you have the right size etc?
Title: Re: 12 x 16 backyard workshop
Post by: Mike 870 on April 08, 2012, 04:27:30 PM
Well, we shall see.  The hard part (flashing them correctly) is yet to come.  Then there is the eternal fear of a little water seeping inside.  Between the instructions, and a Fine Homebuilding Magazine article I have, I am pretty confident I can do it right.  Getting the hole cut in the roof and attaching the skylights was pretty easy.  Those ones were meant for 24 inch rafter centers, so that makes it much easier.  The mounting hardware falls right on a rafter. 
Title: Re: 12 x 16 backyard workshop
Post by: Mike 870 on April 15, 2012, 07:39:17 AM
Put up some fascia boards.  I think the way I joined/intersected the boards looks dumb.  But not dumb enough to redo.  Should have done the larger one at an angle and the smaller one perpindicular to the ground.  I will put corbels right at each joint so it doesn't look so pronounced.
(https://i801.photobucket.com/albums/yy300/Mike_1894/Shed%20Project/shedproject001-9.jpg)
Title: Re: 12 x 16 backyard workshop
Post by: Mike 870 on May 13, 2012, 05:43:12 PM
Started roofing this weekend.

(https://i801.photobucket.com/albums/yy300/Mike_1894/Shed%20Project/shedproject003-7.jpg)

(https://i801.photobucket.com/albums/yy300/Mike_1894/Shed%20Project/shedproject002-10.jpg)

(https://i801.photobucket.com/albums/yy300/Mike_1894/Shed%20Project/shedproject001-10.jpg)
Title: Re: 12 x 16 backyard workshop
Post by: Mike 870 on May 25, 2012, 04:31:26 PM
A bit more progress from the worlds slowest shed builder.  My buddy is teasing me saying he built his 4000 square foot house faster than I built this shed.  I'm in full on cycling season so not much time to work.  I've started refering to this as my Shabin (Shed/Cabin).  When I tell people I am building a shed they immediately think smaller and are surprised how big it is when they see it.

I peeled up the membrane here in this picture to make the upper membrane on top of the lower one along the gable end. 
(https://i801.photobucket.com/albums/yy300/Mike_1894/Shed%20Project/shedproject002-11.jpg)

Once I put up the fascia on the dormer it will get a full coat of peel and stick membrane since the pitch is kind of low, about 3.5/12.
(https://i801.photobucket.com/albums/yy300/Mike_1894/Shed%20Project/shedproject003-8.jpg)
Title: Re: 12 x 16 backyard workshop
Post by: Sassy on May 26, 2012, 01:51:35 PM
You'll soon be able to start working in your workshop, looking good  :)
Title: Re: 12 x 16 backyard workshop
Post by: Mike 870 on May 28, 2012, 10:34:57 PM
Today I stained all the rafter overhangs.  Big bumble bees were eating holes in my rafters so I figured I better get them treated fast.  Then I put up fascia, drip edge and peel and stick membrane on the dormer then roofed it.  I just have the last hip end to roof then the roof will be finished.  Looks about the same as last time.  Fixing that lamp post is somewhere on the 30th page of the honeydo list.

(https://i801.photobucket.com/albums/yy300/Mike_1894/Shed%20Project/shedproject003-9.jpg)
(https://i801.photobucket.com/albums/yy300/Mike_1894/Shed%20Project/shedproject008.jpg)
Title: Re: 12 x 16 backyard workshop
Post by: Mike 870 on June 09, 2012, 09:08:47 PM
I've been sealing seams, flashing window & door penetrations, putting up felt and building a rain screen.  The felt is tough to put up well by yourslef.  I'm going to have to do it in smaller sections from here on out. 

In the proccess of sealing seams.
(https://i801.photobucket.com/albums/yy300/Mike_1894/Shed%20Project/shedproject004-6.jpg)

Siding and trim ready to be stained.
(https://i801.photobucket.com/albums/yy300/Mike_1894/Shed%20Project/shedproject005-5.jpg)

Site built rain screen.  Will have to fix that felt I ripped.
(https://i801.photobucket.com/albums/yy300/Mike_1894/Shed%20Project/shedproject008-1.jpg)
Title: Re: 12 x 16 backyard workshop
Post by: CjAl on June 10, 2012, 09:03:54 AM
if its not too late i would run 2x4's on end verticly on top of the pine sheathing 4' apart. lay 3" foam between them. that. leaves a 1/2" air gap for venting.
Title: Re: 12 x 16 backyard workshop
Post by: CjAl on June 10, 2012, 09:05:10 AM
oops, nevermind

i didnt notice there was a second page
Title: Re: 12 x 16 backyard workshop
Post by: Mike 870 on June 10, 2012, 09:26:36 AM
It's not too late, and in fact, that's part of the plan.  I've got about a 3/4 inch gap on top of my blocking in between my rafters.  I still have to put up insect screen, and then I will add some shimming so that a piece of trim will cover the screen, the blocking and the top of the bevel siding, and still allow room for the ventalation gap.  I will post pictures of the proccess.

Also the strapping will continue up higher, it just happens that I made them by ripping 8 ft sheets down and that is as far as the length takes 1 piece.
Title: Re: 12 x 16 backyard workshop
Post by: Mike 870 on June 11, 2012, 07:10:32 PM
Anyone have any suggestions for how to trim between my rafter overhangs?   The design aspect that I am struggling with is that on the gable end, the bottom section will be bevel siding, then a trim board, then shingles.  Wondering how I make that trim board looks like it flows from the gable end around the corner and to the front side.  Obviously I have to lign it up, but is it ok for the trim on the rafer side to be larger than the gable side?

(https://i801.photobucket.com/albums/yy300/Mike_1894/Shed%20Project/shedproject001-13.jpg)
Title: Re: 12 x 16 backyard workshop
Post by: Mike 870 on June 23, 2012, 05:25:03 PM
Started on siding and trim.  I've also been staining a couple shakes here and there so I don't have to do them all at once.

(https://i801.photobucket.com/albums/yy300/Mike_1894/Shed%20Project/shedproject002-13.jpg)
Title: Re: 12 x 16 backyard workshop
Post by: akemt on June 25, 2012, 01:21:40 PM
Can I ask a dumb question?  How did you attach the foam insulation boards and what kind of R value did you end up with?  I love the look of the pine ceiling with those skylights!
Title: Re: 12 x 16 backyard workshop
Post by: 964haus on June 25, 2012, 05:29:07 PM
Looks great - I'm building a 10x16 workshop so following your build closely.

I'm also incorporating a shed dormer like you have, and I'm wondering if you've got any more closeup shots of how you framed it? It looks like you doubled up the primary rafters and then grafted the dormer rafter on the top of the inside rafter, is that correct? Then it looks like you used a 2x4 header for the dormer itself?

Thanks for any help - I'm new at this and really benefiting from any help!

Thanks,
Matthew.
Title: Re: 12 x 16 backyard workshop
Post by: Mike 870 on June 25, 2012, 08:51:15 PM
             Akemt, I had to scratch the foam insulation boards, because it would have made the structure too tall.  As it is, I'm right at the height limit set by the town.  Any higher and I would have to get a variance.  From what I remember, you build up blocking to the same thickness that your foam will be at the bottom and sides of the roof.  You lay the foam and can then sheath over the foam using long fastners that attach to the rafters.  So it's a sheathing/foam/sheathing sandwich. Glad you like the pine and the skylights.  I was a little bummed out because my 1 inch roofing nails just poked through the boards.  I started with 7/8ths then ran out.  Wish I had bought more 7/8ths.   

Mathew,   I did double up the primary rafters. For the frame, I let one 2x4 stud sit on the top plate and the other was scribed at an angle and sits on the inside rafter.  I'm not sure if the way I did it is one of the offical ways. 

        My dormer will have 4 square windows, not 2 rectangles as shown.  There will be another 2x4 where that joint is.  Best advice I can give is get one of the books suggested on framing in the books section of this website and follow those instructions.  http://www.countryplans.com/books.html (http://www.countryplans.com/books.html)  I just looked through all my pictures and don't have any that I haven't already posted but can take a picture of whichever angle you need. 
Title: Re: 12 x 16 backyard workshop
Post by: Mike 870 on July 02, 2012, 02:56:32 PM
Finished the shingles on this side. Really wish I had done one less course of clapboard so the shingles started lower.  Either that or skip the trim board because you really can't visually differentiate it from the clapboards unless it is a different color.  3 years from now when it is time to re stain, I may paint the trim white or some other color.  I also have 7 inches of exposure on the shingles, but I think less would look better.  Maybe 5 or 6 inches instead.  It is amazing the amount of waste when you are shingleing that small an area.  Glad I bought the cheapo undercourse shingles.


(https://i801.photobucket.com/albums/yy300/Mike_1894/Shed%20Project/shedproject001-15.jpg)

Title: Re: 12 x 16 backyard workshop
Post by: 964haus on July 03, 2012, 02:39:11 PM
Looking really good - I'm about 3 weeks behind you but hope to do a very similar finish - clapboard with shingles in the upper gable end. Thanks for the tips on exposure on the shingles and trim.
Very helpful to a new guy like me!

Matthew.
Title: Re: 12 x 16 backyard workshop
Post by: Mike 870 on July 03, 2012, 04:32:12 PM
Another thing I think looks good that I should have done is have the trim boards on the corners be visually thinner than the exposure of the clap boards.  If you look that is what a lot of builders do and it looks nice.  It's less expensive too. Also would have had the bottm trim boards along the base connect to each other and start the corner trim boards above them. 

Did part of the dormer today.  Lots of cuts involved, and I knew it would take me forever if I were measure, go up the ladder, go down the ladder, repeat.  So I devised a plan.

How to solve this?
(https://i801.photobucket.com/albums/yy300/Mike_1894/Shed%20Project/shedproject002-14.jpg)

Decided to build it on the ground.  Just build a frame and shingled it on the ground.  Cut it to size with the circular saw and some site made tracks.  Also changed the exposure to 6 inches.

(https://i801.photobucket.com/albums/yy300/Mike_1894/Shed%20Project/shedproject001-16.jpg)

And, plan backfires.  Yup, it's crooked, yup it's staying that way.  Eff it will piss me off every time I look at it though.  Also if anyone does this, there should be a gap between the roof shingles and the bottom of the shakes.  I planned for a gap, but when I got it up there, it was gone.  Must have measured wrong.  Couldn't cut it smaller because of nailing.  Oh well, make the mistakes on the shed and when I get to the cabin (someday)  I'll be a pro.

(https://i801.photobucket.com/albums/yy300/Mike_1894/Shed%20Project/shedproject003-11.jpg)
Title: Re: 12 x 16 backyard workshop
Post by: 964haus on July 04, 2012, 01:34:07 PM
I was thinking that it's such a good idea to pre-construct the shingles!! Still looks good, although I do know what you mean about things bugging you - I'm sure I'll have lots of frustrating things on mine.

It looks like you have a ridge vent installed - how did you deal with the dormer section (I've been told to ignore the dormer portion and just vent the main part of the roof).

Thanks again,
Matthew.
Title: Re: 12 x 16 backyard workshop
Post by: 964haus on July 04, 2012, 01:36:16 PM
oops, i also meant to ask you about the screen that runs at the base of your walls. Is it to prevent bugs from going under, and if so, how is it attached on the underside (where you can't see from the photo?)

Many thanks,
Matthew (again...)
Title: Re: 12 x 16 backyard workshop
Post by: Mike 870 on July 08, 2012, 04:31:54 PM
I chose to vent the dormer as well as the main roof section, because it is such a large dormer in relation to the roof.  I just slit the ridge vent material partially on one side so that it could fall flush against the roof and against the dormer.  You shingle all the way up to the air vent at the ridge before you put the vent roll on top, so there is little chance of leaking.  Then when you shingle over the ridge vent material, with the hip and ridge shingles, you can make sure your slit is covered with some overhang.

The insect screen is to keep the bugs out.  I staple it to the bottom of the house, then put up the strapping, then fold the insect screen up over the strapping and staple it there.  So the screen make a u shape.
Title: Re: 12 x 16 backyard workshop
Post by: 964haus on July 25, 2012, 02:34:58 PM
Mike, another question. For your dormer, is the outermost rafter (fly rafter) just attached to the roof sheating rather than tied back into the rafter with a small block ladder? Presumably this was done prior to applying the roof shingles, etc?

Just trying to figure out how to secure this - I was planning on just securing the fly rafter onto the roof sheathing, as I'm only having a 6" overhang on the dormer anyway.

Thanks, any updates on the siding?

Matthew.
Title: Re: 12 x 16 backyard workshop
Post by: Mike 870 on July 25, 2012, 04:11:23 PM
I have the dormer build on the inside rafter (of the doubled up rafters).  The outside is a nailer for the sheathing.  The two rafters are nailed togther.   I have seen the dormer framing built over the sheating for the main roof as well.  In fact I think in most cases that would be better than the way I did it.  Only downside I see would be if you have to replace rotted sheathing way down the line. 

Hopefully an update after this weekend.  I haven't done anything since the last pictures.
Title: Re: 12 x 16 backyard workshop
Post by: 964haus on July 30, 2012, 05:01:25 PM
Mike,
Sorry to be a pain....

I've got a framing book that I've been using that's been helpful so far. What it doesn't show it how to detail the roof sheathing across the shed dormer (and really where the main roof and dormer roof intersect). Like you, I have a shed dormer and I've sheathed the main portion of the roof, but I'm not sure how the dormer sheathing is meant to go. My dormer rafters extends from the ridge beam and also has an overhang like yours, but at the top (ridge beam location)  did you let the main roof sheathing extend to the top or does the dormer roofing cover this? I noticed from one of you photos that there seems to be a small gap at the top of the dormer roof sheathing - do you have any more detailed photos of how you handled that interface?

Sorry if i'm somewhat unclear... :-\

Thanks as always,
Matthew.
Title: Re: 12 x 16 backyard workshop
Post by: Mike 870 on July 30, 2012, 10:03:24 PM
I could not take the dormer sheathing all the way up where it overhangs the side of the dormer because eventually it would hit the main roof sheathing.  What I did was cut a bit out of the last board that I put up so that the the part covering the dormer went all the way up the the ridge, but the overhang part was notched out some.  It was covered with roof vent or shingles so it doesn't show.  Make sure you shingle the main roof and do your siding on the dormer up in the very top corners before you put that last piece of sheathing up.  Otherwise you wontbe able to reach anything.
Title: Re: 12 x 16 backyard workshop
Post by: 964haus on July 31, 2012, 12:09:00 PM
Excellent  - thanks a lot Mike!

Matthew.
Title: Re: 12 x 16 backyard workshop
Post by: Mike 870 on August 05, 2012, 07:03:40 PM
I got a little more done.  I have had some friends help which really makes things go faster.  I still have to trim between the rafter tails, while allowing for air ventilation.  That will be time consuming.  Once that is done I will cut out the windows in the dormer, trim them out and finish the shakes up there.  The last two exterior walls should go faster because there are no doors or windows.   

(https://i801.photobucket.com/albums/yy300/Mike_1894/Shed%20Project/iPhoneUploads011.jpg)
Title: Re: 12 x 16 backyard workshop
Post by: Mike 870 on August 08, 2012, 07:49:31 PM
I cut out the holes for the windows in the dormer.  Gives a better feel for what it will look like when finished.  I will probably only trim out the windows up there but not the corners.  I'll just butt the shingles together to hopefully give a beveled look from ground level. 


(https://i801.photobucket.com/albums/yy300/Mike_1894/Shed%20Project/shedproject001-17.jpg)

I ended up just drilling holes to vent the siding and roof.  I was originally going to fur out the trim between the rafter tails, but decided against doing that.  I'm not sure what I think of the holes, but unless your standing right underneath it you don't see or focus on it.  You can also see how I trimmed out the window, pretty happy with it.  I made the mistake of not adding extra blocking under the corner trim of the shed.  I did add extra under the window trim, and the visual differentiation is  nice.  It tends to cast shadows and create more of a contrast.  Lesson learned for next time.

(https://i801.photobucket.com/albums/yy300/Mike_1894/Shed%20Project/shedproject003-1-1.jpg)

And here is how it looks coming up the driveway.


(https://i801.photobucket.com/albums/yy300/Mike_1894/Shed%20Project/shedproject002-1-1.jpg)
Title: Re: 12 x 16 backyard workshop
Post by: Jesse on August 09, 2012, 04:56:37 PM
Your little building is one of the best ive seen on here.  Just my style.  I bet when you build a cabin it will turn out great.
Title: Re: 12 x 16 backyard workshop
Post by: Mike 870 on August 09, 2012, 09:24:51 PM
Hey thanks Jesse, I appreciate the compliment.

964Hause,  are you going to start a build thread?
Title: Re: 12 x 16 backyard workshop
Post by: Barry Broome on August 10, 2012, 06:21:25 AM
Beautiful. This building has turned out very nice! Keep the pics coming.
Title: Re: 12 x 16 backyard workshop
Post by: 964haus on August 13, 2012, 05:11:47 PM
Quote from: Mike 870 on August 09, 2012, 09:24:51 PM
964Hause,  are you going to start a build thread?

I'll start a build thread soon...I'm a little nervous showing my work to a crew of experienced builders though!

Matthew
Title: Re: 12 x 16 backyard workshop
Post by: rick91351 on August 13, 2012, 05:22:55 PM
Quote from: 964haus on August 13, 2012, 05:11:47 PM
I'll start a build thread soon...I'm a little nervous showing my work to a crew of experienced builders though!

Matthew

crew of experienced builders   rofl   rofl   rofl  Oh wow if you only knew.

Within a year most likely you will have paid your dues and offering up huge good advice.......   [cool]


Title: Re: 12 x 16 backyard workshop
Post by: MountainDon on August 20, 2012, 12:19:50 AM
Quote from: 964haus on August 13, 2012, 05:11:47 PM
I'll start a build thread soon...I'm a little nervous showing my work to a crew of experienced builders though!

Matthew

Matthew, starting your build thread before you actually build anything is a great idea. Present an idea or asking the questions beforehand will avoid having making errors. My opinion, that's all.
Title: Re: 12 x 16 backyard workshop
Post by: Mike 870 on September 01, 2012, 07:25:49 PM
Did a bit more work on the dormer.  I have a couple more shingles to put up on the left hand side and I will be done with it.  I also got started putting the clap boards on the back up.  That should go fast as there are few cuts.  Then I have the side closest to the trees and bushes to finish.  That one should also go fast.

Progress to date with photogenic bike riding friend:
(https://i801.photobucket.com/albums/yy300/Mike_1894/Shed%20Project/shedproject001-18.jpg)

In the interest of preventing people from making the same mistakes as me.  Here is an example of the right way and wrong way to lap shingles at corners.  Another reason why building the shingle panel on the ground was a bad idea.  Eventually I will rip those off and re-do.  Probably after the outside is fully completed.

Wrong way:

(https://i801.photobucket.com/albums/yy300/Mike_1894/Shed%20Project/shedproject002-16.jpg)

Right way:

(https://i801.photobucket.com/albums/yy300/Mike_1894/Shed%20Project/shedproject003-13.jpg)
Title: Re: 12 x 16 backyard workshop
Post by: PEG688 on September 01, 2012, 09:06:04 PM

You have  a flashing metal under the shingle right? Also you should leave the siding up a minimum of 1" I like it up 1 1/2" off the roofing. The way you have it they will draw moisture and turn dark it the bottoms , or rot off sooner.   You could attempt to cut then off in place using a plywood strip laid on the roof to run a circular saw up   , set the saw just right so you don't cut the metal you should have behind them .

Title: Re: 12 x 16 backyard workshop
Post by: Mike 870 on September 02, 2012, 06:50:16 AM
PEG, I have flashing metal on all 3 sides of the dormer.  On 2 of 3 sides I have a 1.5 inch gap.  The side you can see was the panel I constructed on the ground then put in place.  It's going to be re-done at some point.    The shingles are also spaced a half inch off the building felt.
Title: Re: 12 x 16 backyard workshop
Post by: Mike 870 on September 02, 2012, 07:00:18 AM
This is what led to the spacing mishap.  I should have called it quits but I nailed it in place.


Quote from: Mike 870 on July 03, 2012, 04:32:12 PM
Another thing I think looks good that I should have done is have the trim boards on the corners be visually thinner than the exposure of the clap boards.  If you look that is what a lot of builders do and it looks nice.  It's less expensive too. Also would have had the bottm trim boards along the base connect to each other and start the corner trim boards above them. 

Did part of the dormer today.  Lots of cuts involved, and I knew it would take me forever if I were measure, go up the ladder, go down the ladder, repeat.  So I devised a plan.

How to solve this?
(https://i801.photobucket.com/albums/yy300/Mike_1894/Shed%20Project/shedproject002-14.jpg)

Decided to build it on the ground.  Just build a frame and shingled it on the ground.  Cut it to size with the circular saw and some site made tracks.  Also changed the exposure to 6 inches.

(https://i801.photobucket.com/albums/yy300/Mike_1894/Shed%20Project/shedproject001-16.jpg)

And, plan backfires.  Yup, it's crooked, yup it's staying that way.  Eff it will piss me off every time I look at it though.  Also if anyone does this, there should be a gap between the roof shingles and the bottom of the shakes.  I planned for a gap, but when I got it up there, it was gone.  Must have measured wrong.  Couldn't cut it smaller because of nailing.  Oh well, make the mistakes on the shed and when I get to the cabin (someday)  I'll be a pro.

(https://i801.photobucket.com/albums/yy300/Mike_1894/Shed%20Project/shedproject003-11.jpg)
Title: Re: 12 x 16 backyard workshop
Post by: John Raabe on September 02, 2012, 09:26:38 AM
Thanks for sharing your learning experience. Showing what we would do differently next time makes it valuable for everyone.
Title: Re: 12 x 16 backyard workshop
Post by: PEG688 on September 02, 2012, 09:44:22 AM

Some times you just have to climb the ladder , again , and again and again.


What you can do to save a few trips is make a quick jig to index a course of shingles , and cut a "book" , cut multiple rows , pack them up to the roof and install.

1/2" off the felt isn't enough, you need at least 1" off the roofing 1 1/2" is better IMO , if I'm striking a line off the felt I strike it at 2 1/2" , you want to see the flashing , crap blows into that area , gets wet , rot happens.

Nice looking shed , I only add my comments to help other folks out,  long term tweaking.  People will use your photo's sort of monkey see monkey do style  over all you're doing a nice job. Keep it up! [cool]   
Title: Re: 12 x 16 backyard workshop
Post by: Mike 870 on September 02, 2012, 11:40:05 AM
Yep, lot's of mistakes to go back and fix.  So 1/2 inch spacing behind the shingles is not enough?  I've heard it's preferable to have 3/4 to 1 inch, but that 1/2 isn't absolutly bad. 
Title: Re: 12 x 16 backyard workshop
Post by: PEG688 on September 02, 2012, 03:11:32 PM

  Do as you see fit, it's yours to maintain.  I base my opinion on about 30 years of on the job experience.
Title: Re: 12 x 16 backyard workshop
Post by: Mike 870 on October 08, 2012, 01:18:28 PM
Finished siding the back side and am halfway up the final side.  I also put in the front window. I put hinges so it can fold up.  The hinges look dumb, but its nice to be able to open it.  Also took the circular saw and cut off a couple inches of shingles on the bottom side of the dormer.  Still have to get the final corner with the multi tool.

(https://i801.photobucket.com/albums/yy300/Mike_1894/Shed%20Project/shedproject001-19.jpg)
(https://i801.photobucket.com/albums/yy300/Mike_1894/Shed%20Project/shedproject002-17.jpg)
(https://i801.photobucket.com/albums/yy300/Mike_1894/Shed%20Project/shedproject003-14.jpg)
Title: Re: 12 x 16 backyard workshop
Post by: chaddhamilton on October 11, 2012, 11:54:47 AM
Looks great!
Title: Re: 12 x 16 backyard workshop
Post by: archimedes on October 11, 2012, 12:30:28 PM
nice.   d*
Title: Re: 12 x 16 backyard workshop
Post by: Mike 870 on November 18, 2012, 09:04:36 PM
Well about a year to the day I started I am done with phase 1 of the workshop, shabin, Taj M'shed.  I finally got a door on it which means I can not lock it and leave my tools out there rather than hauling them in and out everytime I work on something.  I will admit I am a bit worried about wood movement causing the doors to buckle but this is the way the book I have said to contstruct them.  There is about 3/8ths of in inch combined space for them to expand.   I can always re do them if I have problems. 

(https://i801.photobucket.com/albums/yy300/Mike_1894/Shed%20Project/shedproject006-6.jpg)
(https://i801.photobucket.com/albums/yy300/Mike_1894/Shed%20Project/shedproject003-15.jpg)
(https://i801.photobucket.com/albums/yy300/Mike_1894/Shed%20Project/shedproject001-20.jpg)
(https://i801.photobucket.com/albums/yy300/Mike_1894/Shed%20Project/shedproject002-18.jpg)

I also got the final side of siding done.  Didn't spend too much time worrying about details on this side since it is blocked by trees and only seen from far away in the winter.

(https://i801.photobucket.com/albums/yy300/Mike_1894/Shed%20Project/shedproject004-10.jpg)

I decided to just button up the dormer windows for the winter.  Building the windows right would require a good workspace and well set up shop, which i can do now that the shop is finished!  I will hopefully have them done by spring.  Not sure If I want to do a sort of prairie style or just kinda match the bottom window.

(https://i801.photobucket.com/albums/yy300/Mike_1894/Shed%20Project/shedproject005-6.jpg)
All in all it was a great project, fun experience, I learned a lot, made a lot of mistakes and am better off If I ever get to build the dream cabin somewhere in the woods.  After standing in this structure, I decided I wouldnt want to go much bigger, maybe 14 by 20 with a bunk room and a bump out, and a loft. 

I saved all my reciepts, final cost on the project was $5,100
Title: Re: 12 x 16 backyard workshop
Post by: Mike 870 on December 16, 2012, 10:16:47 PM
Major milestone achieved today.  I have power to the shed!  Cant describe how happy I am to not have to run the extension cord.  I' 've also got baseboard heat out there which will be a huge luxury!  I started insulating the ceiling and am about 3/4done.  Kinds sad to see the pine boards covered up.
Title: Re: 12 x 16 backyard workshop
Post by: roadtripray on December 17, 2012, 09:28:54 AM
Wow, that looks fantastic!  I just ordered plans for the Big Enchilada with the intention of building the Builder's Cottage as a first house on new property.  Since I really need storage, I'm thinking of using one of the tiny house plans to build a storage shed first.  However, my shed will look more like a shed -- your workshop is a real masterpiece!  I hope the house I end up building looks half as nice.

Peace,
Ray
Title: Re: 12 x 16 backyard workshop
Post by: Mike 870 on December 17, 2012, 05:32:03 PM
Hey thanks Ray, I really appreciate the compliment.  When I was young one of my friends Dad was a legit artist, and his studio was the coolest place I had ever seen.  Just inspirational to be in there.  I wanted to try to build an inspirational workplace to do my future projects.  Plus my wife would have been pissed if it was ugly.
Title: Re: 12 x 16 backyard workshop
Post by: mountainlady1956 on December 17, 2012, 11:37:30 PM
You must have a happy wife because it looks great  ;D
Title: Re: 12 x 16 backyard workshop
Post by: Barry Broome on December 19, 2012, 01:19:19 AM
Hmmm... I try to spend time on the 'home projects' when I'm home and the wifey just complains that I'm not with her... i guess I should feel lucky that she wants me with her at all  ;D
Title: Re: 12 x 16 backyard workshop
Post by: Mike 870 on January 06, 2013, 05:04:02 PM
Here is a bit of what I have been working on. Was sad to cover up the pine ceiling.  The ceiling will get some XPS insulation and then t&G pine.  It's really nice to have the insulation in there, it holds heat well.  I was pretty careful to do a good job not leaving any gaps when installing the insulation.  You can see there were some rips and tears though, most of them already there when I opened the packages.  It really helps save time to get the correct lengh for example having 93 inch bats was a big time saver in my 92 5/8 stud cavities. 

Electric box.  Square D home line box comes with 6 20 amp breakers for under $50 bucks.  Had to buy a seprate groundinging bus though because you can't un bond the neutral and ground in this box.
(https://i801.photobucket.com/albums/yy300/Mike_1894/Shed%20Project/shedproject001-21_zps03e7f1a7.jpg)

Track lighting on each side and a fluorescent in the middle throws perfect light.
(https://i801.photobucket.com/albums/yy300/Mike_1894/Shed%20Project/shedproject004-11_zpsdf4f77cc.jpg)

Ended up putting down some rigid insulation then doing a plywood floor.  Not sure how I am going to finish it because I got it filthy since taking this picture.
(https://i801.photobucket.com/albums/yy300/Mike_1894/Shed%20Project/shedproject007-5_zpsa9761d94.jpg)

Insulation in.  Next project will have 4 by 6 rafters with exposed roof sheathing boards.
(https://i801.photobucket.com/albums/yy300/Mike_1894/Shed%20Project/shedproject014_zps2c19fab5.jpg)

Gable end drywall done
(https://i801.photobucket.com/albums/yy300/Mike_1894/Shed%20Project/shedproject009-1_zpsdc5f260a.jpg)
(https://i801.photobucket.com/albums/yy300/Mike_1894/Shed%20Project/shedproject008-2_zpsd8b5fbb2.jpg)
Title: Re: 12 x 16 backyard workshop
Post by: Mike 870 on January 28, 2013, 08:12:16 PM
Don't drink and drywall, found out I'm not any better at it drunk than I am sober.  But it is way more fun that way.  Some of what you are seeing is first coat, some is second coat.  The ceiling will get an inch of foam and then t&g pine from menards.

(https://i801.photobucket.com/albums/yy300/Mike_1894/shedproject005_zpsbb0526e9.jpg)

(https://i801.photobucket.com/albums/yy300/Mike_1894/shedproject004_zpsf3b75d32.jpg)

(https://i801.photobucket.com/albums/yy300/Mike_1894/shedproject003_zpsc1e99ecc.jpg)

(https://i801.photobucket.com/albums/yy300/Mike_1894/shedproject002_zps53b23cc1.jpg)

(https://i801.photobucket.com/albums/yy300/Mike_1894/shedproject001_zps33ec9c44.jpg)
Title: Re: 12 x 16 backyard workshop
Post by: BlaineHill on February 05, 2013, 09:48:23 PM
I have really enjoyed following this project. You have a real eye for all the details that add-up to an amazing project. I think finished drywall on the walls with T&G on the ceiling is a very refined, old-world look. It's shaping-up to be an awesome space. Enjoy it.
Title: Re: 12 x 16 backyard workshop
Post by: MikeOnBike on February 06, 2013, 12:12:18 AM
As to the floor, i don't know how fancy you want but sand, it with 220 to clean it up, stain it if you want but be careful, pine can be blotchy and then use some floor polyurethane on it.

Nice project!
Title: Re: 12 x 16 backyard workshop
Post by: Mike 870 on March 06, 2013, 11:02:00 AM
Thank you for the compliments BH, I didn't see your post until now. 

Mike I think I will go that route, I probably will stain it, because, I actually prefer a blotchy uneven look.  I go out of my way to unmatch grain on furniture projects and find crazy patterns. 

Snow pic here.  Pretty soon I will have an interior update.  The drywall is ready for paint.  I'm pretty pleased with how it's looking.  I got better at it as I went along.  All in all I find it both frustrating and enjoyable work.  Kinda like mowing the lawn and weedwhacking, it's fun to see the progress as it looks nicer and nicer. 

(https://i801.photobucket.com/albums/yy300/Mike_1894/Shed%20Project/shedproject001-21_zpsdc1fd02f.jpg)
Title: Re: 12 x 16 backyard workshop
Post by: Mike 870 on March 24, 2013, 07:51:00 PM
Finished painting for the most part.  I am really happy with the job I did on the drywall.  Not perfect, but better than I had hoped.  No real glaring flaws show through under all kinds of different lighting conditions.  I think my color choice will look pretty good once I have done the ceiling and put all the trip up.  It's going to be a light colored pine trim.  I did mess up on a couple outlet holes and have to go back and add some mud because the outlet covers don't fully cover the gaps. 

(https://i801.photobucket.com/albums/yy300/Mike_1894/Shed%20Project/shedproject005-7_zps8bfa02ce.jpg)

(https://i801.photobucket.com/albums/yy300/Mike_1894/Shed%20Project/shedproject004-11_zps70c5e567.jpg)

(https://i801.photobucket.com/albums/yy300/Mike_1894/Shed%20Project/shedproject003-16_zps1e6e556c.jpg)

(https://i801.photobucket.com/albums/yy300/Mike_1894/Shed%20Project/shedproject002-19_zps3df8a623.jpg)

(https://i801.photobucket.com/albums/yy300/Mike_1894/Shed%20Project/shedproject001-21_zps41d01446.jpg)
Title: Re: 12 x 16 backyard workshop
Post by: Remington760-308 on March 26, 2013, 06:26:06 AM
Is this Backyard "DOGHOUSE" Workshop....   Very nice.  Looks like you put a lot of pride in to this.  Needs a frig and Poker table.
Title: Re: 12 x 16 backyard workshop
Post by: archimedes on March 26, 2013, 09:12:13 AM
Very nice job.

They do make oversized outlet covers - I'm speaking from experience.   ;)
Title: Re: 12 x 16 backyard workshop
Post by: Mike 870 on May 27, 2013, 03:05:42 PM
Happy Memorial Day,

I did a little more work, progress has been slow.  Once the weather gets nice my other hobbies start to take over.  I added an inch of rigid insulation to the inside of the ceiling since I am putting T&G pine up it will take up some of the air sealing that I lost by not going with a drywall ceiling.  As you can see, larger gaps were filled with foam, smaller gaps were taped.  After the foam drys you just go around with a razor and cut off the extra, it's pretty easy.  I did once section of T&G, it goes up pretty fast.  Can't wait to get all the trim up. 

(https://i801.photobucket.com/albums/yy300/Mike_1894/Shed%20Project/shedproject001-21_zpsf6855057.jpg) (https://s801.photobucket.com/user/Mike_1894/media/Shed%20Project/shedproject001-21_zpsf6855057.jpg.html)

(https://i801.photobucket.com/albums/yy300/Mike_1894/Shed%20Project/shedproject002-19_zps006293e8.jpg) (https://s801.photobucket.com/user/Mike_1894/media/Shed%20Project/shedproject002-19_zps006293e8.jpg.html)

(https://i801.photobucket.com/albums/yy300/Mike_1894/Shed%20Project/shedproject003-16_zps1d08e754.jpg) (https://s801.photobucket.com/user/Mike_1894/media/Shed%20Project/shedproject003-16_zps1d08e754.jpg.html)

Here is a tip that I learned a little too late.  If you are putting up T&G, instead of working one package at a time, open up like 5 packages and alternate which one you grab from.  As you can see all my knots line up and I'm not happy with the way that looks.
Title: Re: 12 x 16 backyard workshop
Post by: Mike 870 on June 11, 2013, 08:25:30 PM
Quick photo update:

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Title: Re: 12 x 16 backyard workshop
Post by: Mike 870 on September 07, 2013, 03:08:17 PM
Almost done, just finished up the floor.  It is vinyl tile from Lowes with grouted joints.  Total cost about $210 including multipurpose primer and grout.  Had a couple issues with some edges of the tiles not sticking well, but all in all it went well and I think it looks good.  I have to finish up the trim around the edge of the floor and build the dormer window, put on a couple outlet covers then I'm done.  I also built a shelf for my air compressor so it doesn't have to take up floor space.  I planned to do this ahead of time and put an outlet behind the rafter.  I will also hang my air filter up there and be able to plug it in.   

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Title: Re: 12 x 16 backyard workshop
Post by: rick91351 on September 07, 2013, 07:47:49 PM
WOW that looks nice!   [cool] [cool]  Turned out very well done.  I really like it.   c*
Title: Re: 12 x 16 backyard workshop
Post by: Mike 870 on September 08, 2013, 10:55:00 AM
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Title: Re: 12 x 16 backyard workshop
Post by: MountainDon on September 08, 2013, 02:30:23 PM
Looks too nice to get dirty!   ;D
Title: Re: 12 x 16 backyard workshop
Post by: NavyDave on September 08, 2013, 05:10:13 PM
that's one nice workshop! I'd use it as an excuse that I need brand new shiny tools to put inside to match the immaculate surroundings.  [cool]
Title: Re: 12 x 16 backyard workshop
Post by: Mike 870 on September 21, 2013, 07:05:54 PM
Thanks for the compliments.  Not too much is new since the last post.  I did get some oversize outlet covers and also some shims to bring the outlets further out.  I didn't realize it but there were some incorrect size (for the drywall width) boxes mixed in with the size I needed and ended up getting 3 that were the wrong offset for half inch drywall.  They make these rubber shims that you fold to whatever size you need.

I also spent part of today making a crosscut sled for my table saw.  I'll post some pictures of it later.  It will be nice not have a big mitre saw taking up a bunch of space in my little workshop. 
Title: Re: 12 x 16 backyard workshop
Post by: Mike 870 on October 05, 2013, 02:14:02 PM
I made some off the floor storage.  It is 6 feet off the floor so I can put my bandsaw underneath if I need to.  I attached them with wooden cleats, which is the way to go if you are working by yourself.  Just rip a board lengthwise with your blade at a 45 degree angle, attach one side to the wall and the other side to the shelf, and you can just lift it up onto the wall without help. 

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And this is the crosscut sled I made for my tablesaw.  I made it with oak sliders for the mitre slots, but I think I am going to buy some metal mitre sliders from woodcraft or somewhere.  There is a tiny bit of play with the wood, and I don't have the right tools to get exactly the right width of slider for the slots.

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Title: Re: 12 x 16 backyard workshop
Post by: Mike 870 on March 13, 2014, 03:42:55 PM
I am closing on 46 acres near the Ohio River in Southern OH soon.  Will be starting a new topic with pictures of my land soon.  Super excited to start living the cabin dream.
Title: Re: 12 x 16 backyard workshop
Post by: Redoverfarm on March 13, 2014, 05:06:34 PM
Quote from: Mike 870 on March 13, 2014, 03:42:55 PM
I am closing on 46 acres near the Ohio River in Southern OH soon.  Will be starting a new topic with pictures of my land soon.  Super excited to start living the cabin dream.

[cool]
Title: Re: 12 x 16 backyard workshop
Post by: cbc58 on March 13, 2014, 05:54:10 PM
damn nice shed. 
Title: Re: 12 x 16 backyard workshop
Post by: Adam Roby on March 13, 2014, 06:04:20 PM
Very nice shed!

I am also itching to build my dream cabin.  Finances are not quite there yet.  Missed out on a great parcel of land last summer (bidding war).  A friend of mine has land and a mobile home that has fallen to pieces.  He wants me to help him build a small cabin this summer - and I thought it would be good practice for when I get my own land.  You obviously got a really nice shed out of the this "practice" build, but do you feel that it was worth the effort rather than diving in to your cabin build?  I would imagine you learned a lot...  and may actually build things a bit differently now that you have this extra experience?
Title: Re: 12 x 16 backyard workshop
Post by: Mike 870 on March 13, 2014, 08:26:51 PM
Hi Adam,

For me I think it was worth it, but it probably depends on what type of person you are.  Some people are ok with just having a place to have fun in.  Small imperfections and maybe some building faux pas aren't going to bother them.  It's about the experiences in that structure later on.  I enjoy the process of building and seeing my idea take shape so building an extra shed was great.  I wanted to practice certain things, test ideas, see how things scale etc and get experience framing and pounding nails etc.  I could be perfectly content to build shed after shed or cabin after cabin forever if finances allowed.
Title: Re: 12 x 16 backyard workshop
Post by: Mike 870 on March 20, 2014, 07:26:29 AM
Leaving for the closing soon... very excited!
Title: Re: 12 x 16 backyard workshop
Post by: rick91351 on March 20, 2014, 08:00:42 AM
Quote from: Mike 870 on March 20, 2014, 07:26:29 AM
Leaving for the closing soon... very excited!

[cool]

BTW the shed turned out very well.  It shows it can be done with style and good looks.....
Title: Re: 12 x 16 backyard workshop
Post by: Mike 870 on March 20, 2014, 05:55:47 PM
Thanks you, here is the link to my next project:

http://countryplans.com/smf/index.php?topic=13580.new#new