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Title: 24' x 32' Lake Cabin in Oklahoma
Post by: TexstarJim on August 12, 2009, 11:22:20 AM
Started my foundation last Tuesday, August the 5th, for my 24x32 Lake Cabin here on Lake Eufaula in Oklahoma.  Had my aerobic sewer system installed this summer, finally had it approved by DEQ (Dept of Environmental Control) and started installing the piers for my pier & beam foundation.  This cabin is based from the plans for the 1 1/2 story 20x30 cabin.  I've had the plans for almost two years and finally got started this summer.  I changed the plans due to the limits of my building abilities related to age, physical problems, and available help.  I decided I'm too old to be attempting to roof a 12/12 pitch and did not look forward to climbing stairs because of arthritis and all the good things that happen to your body when you grow older.

So, I made the cabin 4 feet wider and 2 feet longer with a total square footage of 768 sq ft.  Plenty of room for a single ol codger as myself and room for guests as needed.  The floor plan will remain basically the same as the 20x30 bottom floor.  Just no loft or second story.  I'm open to suggestions before I start framing the interior walls next month.  If I can switch this to a 2bedroom house, I will do so.  But I'd rather have one nice bedroom without feeling cramped than two small bedrooms.

I laid the first pier using a 3'x3' form and it took 22 80# bags of redi-mix concrete.  The other corner took only 18 bags.  My pad was leveled last month and its had plenty of time to settle and the holes for the piers go down around 20-24".  The base is extremely hard clay that is well on its way to becoming rock.  This is almost as good and stable as building on solid rock.  It will not give.  At least the first two corner posts are setting on the hard stuff, the other two corner posts are not on the hard packed clay, but I will compensate with extra concrete in the bottom of the holes before I place and concrete in the next two corner posts.

Here's the first corner pier/post set:

(https://img.photobucket.com/albums/v215/Stinkfinger/House002.jpg)

Here is the form ready for the next corner pier/post:

(https://img.photobucket.com/albums/v215/Stinkfinger/House005-1.jpg)

(https://img.photobucket.com/albums/v215/Stinkfinger/House006-1.jpg)

Don't laugh at my make-shift batter board, I only needed a line to get my form lined up with the other corner post.  This is not a real batter board. ;)

The second pier/post for the corner has been poured and is set.  It turned out really well and now I've had the backhoe over to dig the holes for the two adjacent corners. 

(https://img.photobucket.com/albums/v215/Stinkfinger/backhoe3.jpg)

NOTE: Disregard the dates on the pictures, my camera's date and time are not current.  I may change it someday, but I hate fiddling with the camera and may not ever get around to it.

This afternoon I will be building the forms to get ready to pour the other two corner piers/posts.  They have to be poured at the same time in order for me to get all four corners square.  My goal is to be able to use the beams as part of the floor foundation if I get them perfectly squared.  If not, I will build the complete floor atop the beams for a typical pier and beam construction.

The beams will be (2) 2"x12" sandwiched together with (2) strips of 1/2" plywood (staggered) in between.  Each beam will be 32 feet long and there will be three.  Like I said, if they come out perfect, then I will cap the ends with the same type constructed beams and make this the floor foundation.  I'm using 2"x8" for floor joists and they will span 12 feet and be 16" OC.  I will be decking with 4'x8' 5/4 T&G sheeting for the floor.  I hate using this stuff, its heavy and hard for one person to manage, but once it's down (screwed and glued) there is no bounce or give.  Very solid and I've used 5/4 on several floors.

I'll be taking pics of the beams as I build them so viewers can appreciate how well built they will be. 
Title: Re: 24' x 32' Lake Cabin in Oklahoma
Post by: TexstarJim on August 12, 2009, 11:43:36 AM
I want to add there will be a total of 15 piers.   Three rows at 5 each with the corner piers being extra heavy duty.  The interior piers and middle pier will only be set in 2'x2' forms.  The (3) 32 feet long beams are to be spaced 12' feet apart (one on each long wall and one down the middle) and each beam will set on 5 piers spaced 8 feet apart. 

Sorry, I cannot scan a picture or plan for spacing and layout of the piers to place in here for a more detailed description....... :-\
Title: Re: 24' x 32' Lake Cabin in Oklahoma
Post by: ScottA on August 12, 2009, 07:25:02 PM
Looks like you're off to a good start. Keep the pics comming. Don't wear yourself out in this heat either.  :P
Title: Re: 24' x 32' Lake Cabin in Oklahoma
Post by: TexstarJim on August 12, 2009, 08:56:17 PM
Thanks Scott, appreciate the good advice.  Hey, I was intending on asking you;  Is any of your land on "Corp" controlled land?  I can't remember how close you are to the water, but if you're on the water, then they have a say in what you can or can't do.  Seems like you said you were a couple hundred feet from the shoreline, right?  Otherwise, how is your build going?
Title: Re: 24' x 32' Lake Cabin in Oklahoma
Post by: ScottA on August 13, 2009, 07:04:27 AM
Our land is not regulated in any way other than the DEQ laws that effect everyone. This is a GRDA lake which is different than the corp in that all the land around the lake is private property. Our place is about 600' from the water anyway. Anyway, I'm learning how to finnish sheetrock today. Fun.
Title: Re: 24' x 32' Lake Cabin in Oklahoma
Post by: considerations on August 13, 2009, 09:20:54 AM
About 50% of us award vague and undetermined amounts of points for good "make shift" solutions.  It shows inventiveness and a willingness to get the job done in spite of not having the "right" tool......"points" are awarded when the "make shift" actually works.   Just kidding about the points, but sometimes one can think that not having the "right" tool prevents progress.....unless.....well, refer to Glenn K's thread, he's the reigning king of make shift.  :) 

I'm still smiling about his early septic solution....I could have tried that here, but would have needed an umbrella....and thicker woods. [shocked]
Title: Re: 24' x 32' Lake Cabin in Oklahoma
Post by: poppy on August 13, 2009, 01:52:15 PM
Jim  w*to the forum.

WOW, that is a lot of concrete for one pier.  You might consider using Sonotubes on top of a base pad to save concrete.  Just a thought.

Good luck with your build.
Title: Re: 24' x 32' Lake Cabin in Oklahoma
Post by: TexstarJim on August 15, 2009, 11:57:11 AM
Quote from: poppy on August 13, 2009, 01:52:15 PM
Jim  w*to the forum.

WOW, that is a lot of concrete for one pier.  You might consider using Sonotubes on top of a base pad to save concrete.  Just a thought.

Good luck with your build.

Thanks for the advice regarding the sonotube, I actually considered using the round tubes and will in one or two the piers, but not all the way around.

I've got all the corner piers poured as of today along with all 5 piers on my East wall.  A total of 7 piers finished, 8 more to go, but the last 8 will be much easier than the first ones.  I'll take a pic or two later this evening or in the morning to post later.
Title: Re: 24' x 32' Lake Cabin in Oklahoma
Post by: Redoverfarm on August 15, 2009, 12:17:23 PM
Jim if your soils is thight you can get away from using sono tubes providing you don't have that far to come up off the ground.  Sono tubes are a "form" basicly to use out of the ground.  The soil can be used as a form if the hole is dug fairly evenly.  For above ground you can use a 5 gallon bucket with the bottom cut out. When finished just cut away the plastic.  I hate paying for something to use one time when there is an alternative that I have on hand. Just a thought.   
Title: Re: 24' x 32' Lake Cabin in Oklahoma
Post by: TexstarJim on August 16, 2009, 05:04:52 PM
Here is a picture of the backhoe removing a tree along with another stump almost exactly where my Southwest corner pier/post needed to be.  After removal, I had a hole large enough to place a small storm shelter in and actually considered installing one.

(https://img.photobucket.com/albums/v215/Stinkfinger/House001.jpg)

The first pad to go down in the hole is 3'x3', once cured, I place a 6"x6" post on top, poured another pad (2'x2') around the base of the post with (4) 1/2" rebars parallel to the post.

(https://img.photobucket.com/albums/v215/Stinkfinger/House012.jpg)

All this was necessary because the bottom of the hole was around 5 feet below grade and I wanted any exposed post up above grade and standing water.  The final pour was into the round form and this put me up above grade;


(https://img.photobucket.com/albums/v215/Stinkfinger/House017.jpg)
Title: Re: 24' x 32' Lake Cabin in Oklahoma
Post by: TexstarJim on August 16, 2009, 05:24:19 PM
Here is a picture of all five piers/posts for the East side of the foundation;  The Northeast corner post (behind the white and red ice chest) is cut to height, the three in the middle are not yet, and the Southeast corner post (covered by the yellow date stamp on the pic) is cut to height.  You can see the middle pier/post has some more work yet to be done.  One more pour atop the existing pad and then the post will be ready to be cut to height.  

(https://img.photobucket.com/albums/v215/Stinkfinger/House014.jpg)

The lowest post is the Northeast corner, but there will still be 3 feet of crawlspace in that corner.  It gets higher from that point on.  The Southwest corner where I had to pour the two pads along with the round pier (where the tree was removed) is almost 7 feet from the top of the post down into the hole where the first pad was poured.  There's quite a slope from the East wall down to the Southwest corner.

Note:  I had to edit these two replies because Photobucket was doing maintenance and I couldn't see the images until they were finished.  I had done a double post of one of the pictures and inserted one that wasn't the correct image.......sorry.  Also, I went ahead and updated the dating stamp on my camera.  The date on these latest pictures is current.

Title: Re: 24' x 32' Lake Cabin in Oklahoma
Post by: TexstarJim on August 16, 2009, 06:13:54 PM
The locals call these rocks "Green Gold" because landscapers will pay top dollar for rocks with moss on em.  I've caught folks trying to carry off the rocks to use in their flower gardens.  Here's a picture of one batch;

(https://img.photobucket.com/albums/v215/Stinkfinger/Newcabin011.jpg)

There is a small creek that runs within 15 feet of my new cabin and it's dry almost all the time.  But after a heavy rain, the water is a torrent and makes the most wonderful sound as it rushes down the hill and empties into the lake.  Here's a picture of the rocks in the creek that help give it the sound of rushing water;

(https://img.photobucket.com/albums/v215/Stinkfinger/Newcabin012.jpg)

Finally, here is a picture to try and give some definition to the entire scheme of the thing.  I realize I have posted a few pictures of not much more than holes in the ground and random shots of different piers/posts.  I'm afraid there isn't going to be anything that gives a full idea of what the foundation is like until I have all the piers finished and framed up.  Once the deck is down, then a person can get an idea of what the overall appearance will be.  But for now, here's this shot:

(https://img.photobucket.com/albums/v215/Stinkfinger/Newcabin004.jpg)

The lawnchair is setting next to the Northeast corner and straight across towards the small building with the air conditioner installed into the wall you can see the yellow cylinder holding the pier/post for the Southwest corner.

After I looked at this picture I was alarmed to think one or more of the post along the East wall had tilted, so I went out and checked.  Whew........  they're all still inline and perfect, but it scared me........   d*
Title: Re: 24' x 32' Lake Cabin in Oklahoma
Post by: TexstarJim on August 16, 2009, 06:30:49 PM
Quote from: Redoverfarm on August 15, 2009, 12:17:23 PM
Jim if your soils is thight you can get away from using sono tubes providing you don't have that far to come up off the ground.  Sono tubes are a "form" basicly to use out of the ground.  The soil can be used as a form if the hole is dug fairly evenly.  For above ground you can use a 5 gallon bucket with the bottom cut out. When finished just cut away the plastic.  I hate paying for something to use one time when there is an alternative that I have on hand. Just a thought.   

Red, I'm all for saving money and feel the same way about using something one time and throwing it away, but in this case since the corner pour was so tall, a 5-gallon bucket wouldn't have worked.  There were (3) round tubes purchased at Lowe's for $9.97 and they were labeled to be 12" forms.  Funny thing is, they were sent tucked one inside the other, all three.  So there is no way the two inside tubes are 12" but that's ok, they will be used also. 

Thanks for your input and ideas.
Title: Re: 24' x 32' Lake Cabin in Oklahoma
Post by: poppy on August 17, 2009, 08:27:30 PM
Jim
QuoteAfter I looked at this picture I was alarmed to think one or more of the post along the East wall had tilted, so I went out and checked.  Whew........  they're all still inline and perfect, but it scared me........   
Most cameras have a wide angle lens as standard, so if the camera is not level there will be distortion in the photo.

That sounds like a high craw space.  What's the purpose? ???

Don't worry about whether all the pics make sense.  We like photos. :D
Title: Re: 24' x 32' Lake Cabin in Oklahoma
Post by: TexstarJim on August 18, 2009, 01:25:04 PM
3 piers ready to pour today on the West wall and then the final 3 piers for the middle beam tomorrow if the weather permits.

(https://img.photobucket.com/albums/v215/Stinkfinger/Newcabin023.jpg)

I cannot wait to be finished with the concrete work! :P

In regards to the last question for the "high" crawl space, keep in mind I'm fairly close to the water.  Although I really doubt if the water will ever get this high, I do want the house up and dry just in case.  Plus, you never think about limited crawl space until you're under a house wiggling around trying to work.  More is better in my opinion.

Later in the fall when I have my deck down and I'm about ready to start framing, I will take some more pics and these will include a view of the lake.  I have a better view after the leaves have fallen, right now its a wall of "green" between me and the water.  I'm looking forward to that first day sometime in October when I wake up to see a light frost in the morning.  Its my favorite day of the year.
Title: Re: 24' x 32' Lake Cabin in Oklahoma
Post by: collegegirl on August 19, 2009, 03:52:35 AM
very nice project, I am also planning to the same at my place, any rough estimate you have on time and amount.
Title: Re: 24' x 32' Lake Cabin in Oklahoma
Post by: TexstarJim on August 20, 2009, 05:41:49 PM
Quote from: collegegirl on August 19, 2009, 03:52:35 AM
very nice project, I am also planning to the same at my place, any rough estimate you have on time and amount.

Thank you and I wish you luck for when someday you start your own.  Here's my best estimate on money:  I roughly figure around $25-30.00 per sq. ft. for material.  Time?  Hmmmm, not sure I can give you an estimate but I can say this;  I wouldn't attempt to build one of these while going full-time college.  Unless you're majoring in construction.

I've still got the final 3 piers to pour before I can build and set my beams.  Rain delay today, maybe tomorrow I can get back to it.
Title: Re: 24' x 32' Lake Cabin in Oklahoma
Post by: Beavers on August 20, 2009, 08:07:56 PM
Quote from: TexstarJim on August 18, 2009, 01:25:04 PM
I cannot wait to be finished with the concrete work! :P

I hear ya!  Been the least favorite part of my project as well!  d*

Your project looks great so far, looking forward to following along with your progress.  [cool]


Title: Re: 24' x 32' Lake Cabin in Oklahoma
Post by: novicebuilder on August 20, 2009, 09:03:02 PM
Looks like you're off to a great start!  I'm really impressed with the piers you're putting under this cabin.  By your earliers posts it seems to be a little muddy there.  Try to stay dry.

By the way, your username isn't reflectant of any TexasStar radio equipment is it? 
:(
Title: Re: 24' x 32' Lake Cabin in Oklahoma
Post by: TexstarJim on August 21, 2009, 09:54:47 AM
Quote from: novicebuilder on August 20, 2009, 09:03:02 PM
Looks like you're off to a great start!  I'm really impressed with the piers you're putting under this cabin.  By your earliers posts it seems to be a little muddy there.  Try to stay dry.

By the way, your username isn't reflectant of any TexasStar radio equipment is it? 
:(

No sir, I'm a Ham radio operator and have no use for Citizen Band illegal linears.  I can see where you got the connection, but its just a coincidence in the user name I picked.

Last 3 piers have been poured and I'm finished with the concrete work as of 9:45am this morning.  It was awful muddy from all the rain over the last two days, but I got it done and can focus on driving nails now, hurray!!!!!
Title: Re: 24' x 32' Lake Cabin in Oklahoma
Post by: John Raabe on August 21, 2009, 10:29:06 AM
Working with wood is sooooo much nicer. Even smells better. :D
Title: Re: 24' x 32' Lake Cabin in Oklahoma
Post by: novicebuilder on August 22, 2009, 10:47:40 PM
TexStar,
Anyway you could stand on your pad and give us a shot towards the lake. I know you mentioned lots of greenery in the way.  Can you see the lake at all?
Title: Re: 24' x 32' Lake Cabin in Oklahoma
Post by: TexstarJim on August 23, 2009, 05:31:13 AM
Quote from: novicebuilder on August 22, 2009, 10:47:40 PM
TexStar,
Anyway you could stand on your pad and give us a shot towards the lake. I know you mentioned lots of greenery in the way.  Can you see the lake at all?

Sure, I can see the lake, but only through the trees.  The shoreline is about 150 feet away, its easy to see.  But when some guy runs up in the cove in his bass boat, I only hear his motor, rarely see the boat.  There are a few more trees with a less than 3" circumference (anything larger is restricted to cut by the Corp) that I can clear away in the future.  I will be pruning some of the lower branches from the large trees also later on.  Terrific view throughtout the winter and early spring, but when everything greens up, the view turns into green.......lol.

Ordered the lumber to build the beams and floor, it should be here Monday or Tuesday.  That will work out fine because the building area (the pad) isn't completely dried out yet from the rain we had last week.  Today I will be pulling the last of the forms from the piers I poured on Friday.  Also, I will be cutting the post-tops to height, all 15 of them.  I will be using a water bucket connected to a clear hose set at a predetermined height with colored water to mark all the posts.  I'll post pics of that process.
Title: Re: 24' x 32' Lake Cabin in Oklahoma
Post by: poppy on August 23, 2009, 08:36:14 PM
Jim, I'll be interested in seeing exactly how you use the water level.

I'll be trying to use a water level for the first time this week hopefully to level the fist girder.  I will post pics. too so long as it works.  ;)
Title: Re: 24' x 32' Lake Cabin in Oklahoma
Post by: TexstarJim on August 23, 2009, 08:50:29 PM
Poppy, I didn't level the posts today, will do so in the morning.  I get up early each morning, usually around 4:30 to 5:00am.  This morning I fixed myself a nice breakfast and then sat around til around 9 or so, then I went back to bed and laid up like a wino until around 2pm.  All I got done today was clean-up of the remaining empty concrete bags and several empty gatorade bottles laying around.  Done a little prep work for tomorrow, but decided I could use a break today and then buckle down all the rest of the coming week.  Or should I say "weeks"?

If you've never used a water level, you'll get a kick out of seeing it done for the 1st time.  The Egyptians used (or so they say) water to level the foundations for the pyramids.  I usually go back and check the accuracy of the water level marks with my laser afterwards, but the water level method is so effective (and quicker) that I really shouldn't bother.

Like I said, I'll take several pictures of the process and good narration to make it clear for anyone interested. 
Title: Re: 24' x 32' Lake Cabin in Oklahoma
Post by: TexstarJim on August 24, 2009, 11:04:39 AM
Ok, have used the water level to mark all 15 posts to height.  I started with the post that I knew was just a dab shorter than the rest and used it for the standard height all the way around.  Originally I had cut the corner posts to height, but when I set the last 3 posts last Friday, I used the existing material I had and one of the post was just a little shorter than the previously set height.  To save buying another 6x6 at $20.00, I just decided the entire floor would be shorter.  All that is required is re-cutting the 4 corner posts and making sure all come out level.  They did and here is the pictures;


(https://img.photobucket.com/albums/v215/Stinkfinger/Newcabin030.jpg)

Setting the water bucket full of colored water on top the sawhorses, I only had to get the water level up to the top of the post it is setting next to.  The water level in the hose is the same as at the top of the 5gal bucket.  The height in the hose will remain the same anywhere I take the hose as long as I don't disturb the bucket.  It remains static.  The tip of the hose is secured to the top of the post by the black tarp strap.  The water level at the tip of the hose is level with the top of the post.  This is the shortest post and thus, the standard for the remaining 14 posts.

The next picture is of a post that is a little too tall and has to be cut.  The water level in the hose indicates where the cut will be along with the mark I made later after taking this shot.

(https://img.photobucket.com/albums/v215/Stinkfinger/Newcabin033.jpg)

After I am finished marking all the posts with the water level, I check it out for accuracy with my laser level.  As you can see, it matches up perfect.

(https://img.photobucket.com/albums/v215/Stinkfinger/Newcabin036.jpg)

Title: Re: 24' x 32' Lake Cabin in Oklahoma
Post by: John Raabe on August 24, 2009, 05:12:41 PM
Great little photo tutorial on using the water level. [cool] This will be valuable to others for some time to come.
Title: Re: 24' x 32' Lake Cabin in Oklahoma
Post by: TexstarJim on August 24, 2009, 05:34:36 PM
Thanks John, I enjoyed doing it and although I've known about this for years, this is actually the first time I have ever used this method to cut posts to height or level a project.  Fairly simple procedure and that's a good thing, it has to be simple for me to figure it out. d*

Hope it comes in handy for others viewing this thread. ;D
Title: Re: 24' x 32' Lake Cabin in Oklahoma
Post by: TexstarJim on August 24, 2009, 05:40:47 PM
My lumber came in today around noon.  I had planned to get the beams started but the guys at the lumber yard loaded it wrong.  They put the 2x12's at the bottom of the stack, loaded them first while gathering the load.  All the 2x8's were stacked on top.  Just the opposite of how they should have loaded it.  It took me all afternoon (had to take frequent rest breaks due to the heat) to restack the lumber and get it ready for in the morning.  sigh.........

Oh well, perhaps those guys at the lumber yard were not aware of the type of structure I'm building.  Just a slight delay, no big deal. ::)
Title: Re: 24' x 32' Lake Cabin in Oklahoma
Post by: Bobmarlon on August 24, 2009, 05:43:41 PM
wow I have always wondered how to accurately level separate objects without a builders level.  Great Lesson Thank you :D
Title: Re: 24' x 32' Lake Cabin in Oklahoma
Post by: ScottA on August 24, 2009, 06:04:50 PM
I usually allow a day just for getting and sorting materials when framing. I hope you got some help for getting  your beams set.
Title: Re: 24' x 32' Lake Cabin in Oklahoma
Post by: TexstarJim on August 24, 2009, 06:18:02 PM
You're sure welcome Bob and I hope it comes in handy for you and others in the future.  I enjoyed doing it.

Scott, no one around except me, nearest help lives 80 miles away and they'll be here the day I frame up the walls.  But for now, its all on me.  That's ok, I'm going to build the beams in place.  That way I don't have to lift the entire beam up on top of the posts alone.  I can handle all the individual pieces, but once they're stuck together, I couldn't lift them.

I enjoy and almost prefer working alone.  Now that I've got the concrete work out of the way and can focus on carpentry, I'm in my niche.  I can work at my own pace and take breaks as needed.  Don't have to worry about anyone screwing something up (I'm very particular) or making a mistake that isn't discovered until its too late.

The long hot days of summer are soon to be nothing more than a bad memory and I can work in the cool weather.  I prefer those days when the temp is in the mid 40's.  Now, I'm not an eskimo by any means, when it gets down to freezing or below, this old man heads inside.  But I'm at my best when the weather is nice and cool.
Title: Re: 24' x 32' Lake Cabin in Oklahoma
Post by: ScottA on August 24, 2009, 06:24:47 PM
Sound about like me. I rather work alone too. But I try to get help when I need it. I prefer the cool weather too. We a couple of nice mornings here the last few days. Almost started to feel like fall. Still hot in the afternoons. I never new how much drywall sanding dust you could get stuck on you when you sweat. You might not want to sand your drywall in August.  d*
Title: Re: 24' x 32' Lake Cabin in Oklahoma
Post by: TexstarJim on August 24, 2009, 07:38:41 PM
Quote from: ScottA on August 24, 2009, 06:24:47 PM
Sound about like me. I rather work alone too. But I try to get help when I need it. I prefer the cool weather too. We a couple of nice mornings here the last few days. Almost started to feel like fall. Still hot in the afternoons. I never new how much drywall sanding dust you could get stuck on you when you sweat. You might not want to sand your drywall in August.  d*

You know you've had a good day of work when during your shower you wash out enough dry-wall dust from the crack of your butt to cover 32sq feet.  :)
Title: Re: 24' x 32' Lake Cabin in Oklahoma
Post by: poppy on August 25, 2009, 09:41:49 AM
Sounds like several of us would rather work alone.  I'm heading out to the farm today with the load of windows taken from craigslist.

I hope to get a decent start on the first girder.  It will be slow, but I will enjoy most every minute.  :D
Title: Re: 24' x 32' Lake Cabin in Oklahoma
Post by: upa on August 25, 2009, 12:08:49 PM
Quote from: poppy on August 25, 2009, 09:41:49 AM
Sounds like several of us would rather work alone. 

I am another loner builder as well. I always feel under a certain degree of time pressure when I work with others and that usually results in errors. I like to take the time to think things through and get em done properly at my own pace, plus if I do make a mistake it's easy enough to fix I will be the only one that will ever know  ;D
Title: Re: 24' x 32' Lake Cabin in Oklahoma
Post by: TexstarJim on August 26, 2009, 02:23:43 PM

East beam finished today and I want to share my building technique for my beams.  I build them in place setting atop the posts and there's no heavy lifting after they're finished.

The first picture is (2) 2x12 16 footers end to end setting atop the east wall posts.  You can't see in the picture, but they're held in place by a temporary backboard on each post.  Later the backboard will be removed when the beam is permanently attached to the posts.


(https://img.photobucket.com/albums/v215/Stinkfinger/Newcabin039.jpg)

The 2nd picture is of me painting on a thin layer of wood glue to the plywood strips that layer inside the beams.  Each strip is cut to 10-1/2 inches and is 8 feet long.  The plywood strip staggers the joint between the two 16 feet long 2x12's.


(https://img.photobucket.com/albums/v215/Stinkfinger/Newcabin040.jpg)












Title: Re: 24' x 32' Lake Cabin in Oklahoma
Post by: TexstarJim on August 26, 2009, 02:38:41 PM
I'm  having problems with Internet Explorer shifting on me while I make a reply, making it almost impossible to put in anything over two paragraphs. 

Here is the 3rd picture while making the beams after attaching the strip of plywood to the inside of the beams.  Notice it staggers the joint where the (2) 2x12's come together.
(https://img.photobucket.com/albums/v215/Stinkfinger/Newcabin043.jpg)

After placing plywood strips all the length of the 2x12's, I place the second 2x12 sandwiching the plywood in the middle and clamp them together while using 3" teflon coated star-drive deck screws.  This helps keep the boards together while screwing and also, helps the wood glue to bond.  Makes a very effective seal by using the pipe wood clamps.

(https://img.photobucket.com/albums/v215/Stinkfinger/Newcabin045.jpg)

Title: Re: 24' x 32' Lake Cabin in Oklahoma
Post by: TexstarJim on August 26, 2009, 02:46:02 PM
Finally, here is the finished beam setting atop the piers.  Took around 2-3 hours to build this beam and if not for the heat, I would be building #2 beam right now.  Just too hot and humid and I retreated inside.

(https://img.photobucket.com/albums/v215/Stinkfinger/Newcabin046.jpg)

These beams will receive bracing and galvanized bolts before totally done.  I will wait until all 3 beams are finished before doing the bracing and placement of hardware.

Here's a picture of my most valuable tool.  Inexpensive, easy to use, and very important to each one of us.  I do not want to join the population of one-eyed carpenters and one-eyed welders.  These safety glasses are critical in keeping your eyesight.  Maybe the most valuable asset any of us have.  Please use them.

(https://img.photobucket.com/albums/v215/Stinkfinger/Newcabin044.jpg)
Title: Re: 24' x 32' Lake Cabin in Oklahoma
Post by: Beavers on August 26, 2009, 10:26:04 PM
Looking good Jim!  ;D

There have been a couple of us that have had problems posting here.  There is a thread in the general forum on "jumping posts" or something like that, seems like IE8 is the problem.  I went back to IE7 and it fixed the problem.

Edit..

Here is the thread,

http://countryplans.com/smf/index.php?topic=7488.0
Title: Re: 24' x 32' Lake Cabin in Oklahoma
Post by: TexstarJim on August 26, 2009, 10:29:53 PM
I should try that because I'm in several forums and it does it in each one.  Even changed browers, tried firefox and google chrome.  I didn't think about switching back to ie 7, thanks for the heads-up. ;D
Title: Re: 24' x 32' Lake Cabin in Oklahoma
Post by: Daddog on August 27, 2009, 11:34:47 PM
Jim, I'm impressed with your building so far. I look forward to following your progress. Heck, I may even come up and give you a hand one of these days when it cools down a bit. You've done the building plans proud.
Title: Re: 24' x 32' Lake Cabin in Oklahoma
Post by: TexstarJim on August 28, 2009, 12:43:52 AM
Hey Jerry, glad to see you in here.  Not sure how much you read of this thread, but I started out saying I had altered the plans for the 1-1/2 cabin due to the 12/12 pitch roof and not wanting to climb stairs in my golden years.  The plans will still be as close to the plans ordered almost two years ago.  Gee, it has been that long ago, right?

Thanks for stopping in and if ever you get an itch to head this way, I'll have the coffee going c*

Title: Re: 24' x 32' Lake Cabin in Oklahoma
Post by: Daddog on August 28, 2009, 07:31:19 PM
I've read every post so far and will continue to follow your progress and learn from the comments of others too. Yeah, I've tasted your coffee! I won't be coming for that! OK, I won't be chatting on this again. I'll save the space for real builders so I can learn!
From the Heart of Texas Hill Country...Adios.
Title: Re: 24' x 32' Lake Cabin in Oklahoma
Post by: TexstarJim on August 29, 2009, 11:52:28 AM
All the beams are now built and in place.  Finished the last long 32' beam that runs through the middle yesterday.  This morning, I capped the South and North ends with double 2x12's.  I will start my bracing tomorrow and have that done before I begin building the floor frame from 2x8s'.

(https://img.photobucket.com/albums/v215/Stinkfinger/Newcabin061.jpg)

The picture above is looking South at the North end which is 24 feet wide.  Middle beam splits it equally and the span for the 2x8 floor joists will be 12' on the East-West axis.  The joists will be 16"oc.

The picture below was taken from the West side looking at the 32' long wall, the front of the house.  This is where I will build my porch/deck starting next week.  From then on, when my materials are delivered, they can set it up on the deck with the forklift and it will be close at hand.

(https://img.photobucket.com/albums/v215/Stinkfinger/Newcabin066.jpg)

Another picture looking South;

(https://img.photobucket.com/albums/v215/Stinkfinger/Newcabin062.jpg)

Title: Re: 24' x 32' Lake Cabin in Oklahoma
Post by: poppy on August 29, 2009, 01:13:37 PM
Looking good there Jim.  :)

I believe it is a smart move that you are putting in bracing right away. 8)

I'm still working on the first girder.  d*
Title: Re: 24' x 32' Lake Cabin in Oklahoma
Post by: ScottA on August 29, 2009, 01:19:40 PM
I second the bracing. Do it now before you get more weight on the foundation. Looks like a good start.  :)
Title: Re: 24' x 32' Lake Cabin in Oklahoma
Post by: TexstarJim on August 31, 2009, 04:31:33 PM
Today I got the bracing done.  This will take all the lateral movement away and decrease the "bounce" in the beams.

(https://img.photobucket.com/albums/v215/Stinkfinger/Newcabin084.jpg)

I used 4"x4" treated cut on a 45 for all the bracing.
Title: Re: 24' x 32' Lake Cabin in Oklahoma
Post by: ScottA on August 31, 2009, 05:44:35 PM
Good work indeed! I'm watching every step of the way.  :)

Now would be the time to get your plumbing stubed in.
Title: Re: 24' x 32' Lake Cabin in Oklahoma
Post by: TexstarJim on August 31, 2009, 06:08:56 PM
Thanks Scott, I appreciate your encouragement.  Also, while I had the backhoe here last month finishing up the install on the aerobic sewer system, I had him trench my sewer line in and its ready to go.  Tied a rope to the end stubbed up on the pad (its right about where the two yellow saw-horses are setting) so I wouldn't lose it and will be able to simply tie into it when the plumbing is ready.

Once again, I always appreciate your input. :)

Wasn't today a great day to be working!  Low humidity and the temp never got over 80 here by the lake.  Woke up to 59 degrees, thought I was in heaven ;D
Title: Re: 24' x 32' Lake Cabin in Oklahoma
Post by: speedfunk on August 31, 2009, 08:35:57 PM
In upstate ny it was the first day I felt that had that Fall feel.  It's such a great season to work in... a nice sweatshirt at times and you can really get stuff done without sweating to death... ahh fall :)
Title: Re: 24' x 32' Lake Cabin in Oklahoma
Post by: ScottA on August 31, 2009, 09:42:39 PM
Yep. Really nice weather for this time of year.
Title: Re: 24' x 32' Lake Cabin in Oklahoma
Post by: Daddog on August 31, 2009, 11:24:21 PM
Jim, did you set the support 4X4s in with lag bolts or just spike them in? They sure look good!
Title: Re: 24' x 32' Lake Cabin in Oklahoma
Post by: TexstarJim on September 01, 2009, 05:14:31 AM
Thanks Jerry, and to answer your question;  I glued em and screwed em for now.  Later, I will drive (1) 60p galvanized nail with my short-handled #3 sledge down at the bottom where the 4x4 joins the 6x6.  Haven't decided what method to use up at the top where the 4x4 joins the beam.  Thought about just waiting until I get my son's framing nail gun and nailing the pee out of em.  Or do you think lag bolts would work better?  For right now, they're solid because of the wood glue and teflon coated deck screws.

Before I drive the 60p nails, I will pre-drill through the 4x4's and into the 6x6 to allow the nail good penetration and still not split any wood.  These large nails will get a light spraying of WD-40 right before I sink them.
Title: Re: 24' x 32' Lake Cabin in Oklahoma
Post by: MountainDon on September 01, 2009, 10:29:10 AM
I haven't taken time to look this topic over very well until last night. You've got a nice looking piece of land there. I have a couple questions and comments.

You stated you're going to use 2x8 floor joists on 16" centers. Running that through the joist calculator indicates that if you are using any of the commonly available #2 grades those are getting close to the maximum span for L/360 deflection. You might want to think about that; 2x10 will make a much stiffer floor.

It appears the joists will be hung between the beams. Is that correct? Have you given any thought to placing the joists on top of the beams with an overlap at the center? That does away with all the metal hangers you need otherwise.

I also note you have used screws on the braces. We've discussed the merits of screws before and it is generally recognized that screws have poorer shear strength than nails. Shear are the main forces that will be at work if that structure tries to rack. I would get those 60D nails or lag screws installed before getting along with the walls, etc. Nails, perhaps along with metal ties plates would help at the beam. Ditto for where the beam sits on the 6x6 piers.

My last question/comment may be coming along a little late. You stated you are working from plans but have modified them. There's nothing wrong with that as long as the changes are made to take into account the extra width and the increase in loads that causes. Increasing length is no big deal. To me those double 2x12 beams appear to be pushing the limits as well when used with 8 foot pier centers. I could be wrong on that; I am not an engineer, so if that's what the plans call for I expect that's all fine and dandy then.   ???  

The perimeter beams will be carrying the main load, roof down through the side walls to the beams, to the piers and the ground.



Title: Re: 24' x 32' Lake Cabin in Oklahoma
Post by: MountainDon on September 01, 2009, 11:13:07 AM
I was also wondering about the interior layout and whether or not you'll be using factory roof and ceiling trusses to avoid having interior center load bearing walls?
Title: Re: 24' x 32' Lake Cabin in Oklahoma
Post by: TexstarJim on September 01, 2009, 11:58:28 AM
Don, I sure appreciate your input and remarks regarding the structure.  Thanks for the compliment on the land.  If I had a way to ring a bell like they do on the game shows, it would be ringing right now after reading your reply.  I have been wondering how long it would be before someone took notice of the "12-foot span" and "2x8" joists.  I noticed this problem shortly after posting the picture along with the remarks saying it would be 2x8 joists spanning 12 feet.  Next person to notice was my son, shared his concern in an email.

Remarkable to me that until now, no one else commented about the "over"span.  Too many good carpenters and capable builders running around in this forum to have overlooked it.  I told myself, maybe they think you're know what you're doing and you've got em tricked, lol.

Since first noticing my error in joist size, I have been working on a remedy, or should I say "remedies".  I went ahead and priced 12" TGI's at $1.87 per feet and ruled them out.  I could get by with 24o.c. since I'm using the 5/4" t&g decking, but won't.  Next, I considered replacing the 8" with 12" as you suggested and telephoned the manager at the lumber yard regarding pick up of the 2x8's when delivering the replacements of 12" boards.  He said it wouldn't be a problem.

The primary lumber yard I am using is 80 miles away and I'm very faithful to them.  They are by far giving me the best pricing on most of the material and only charge a $50 fuel surcharge for this 160 mile round trip delivery fee.  I am 20 miles away from Lowe's and buy some material from them, but the blunt of it will come from Meads, the lumber yard I have been using for the last 8 years.  I am driving over to Mead's later and inspect their 2x12's and 2x10's to see if I can get the satifactory replacement boards for the 2x8 joists.  

If after I consider replacement with 2x12's or even 2x10's as you suggested, I may even go ahead and use the 2x8's by building a support beneath them.  Below is a sketch I emailed my son explaining to him one of my remedies;

(https://img.photobucket.com/albums/v215/Stinkfinger/resizedsketch.jpg)

The darker lines would be the new 2x12 bracing installed before building the floor using the 2x8 joists on hand.  The lighter lines are boards already in place, including the 6x6 posts.  This is probably the solution\method I will use since the cost of a few more 2x12's would be cheaper than total replacement with 2x12's or even 2x10's.

And yes, the joists will set up atop the beams and overlap the middle beam.  I hate using metal joists' holders anyway.  I had given some thought in the beginning to building the floor-joist on the inside using hangers, but decided against that.

To answer your concerns regarding the use of screws on the bracing, let me say that I totally agree.  I only used the screws as a temporary way to keep them in place before securing them with the stronger 60p nails and/or lag screws.  Today while visiting the lumber yard over in Ada, Oklahoma, I will also go by the local welding shop and order metal plates to use where beams connect to 6x6 posts.  When placing the 4x4 bracing since I work alone, I could only tack them with my small nail gun to hold them in place and later, screw them.  I picked up the 60p nails last week and only bought (10) to see how well they work.  I think they will be fine and I will pick up the rest (about 24 more) if I decide they are the connector of choice.

Not sure if you read this, but the 2x12 beams have been sandwiched together with 1/2" plywood glued inside.  I'm confident this will be sufficient for the load bearing all the way around.  I'm open to more input if you or anyone else disagrees.  One of the reasons I am using this forum is for ideas, input, corrective advice, and so on.... I can always use the help of people more knowledgable than myself.

I will be ordering my trusses within the next two weeks.

So, a tip of my hat to you Don for noticing the 12' span and 2x8 joists.  Thanks for your concern and please keep an eye out for anymore blunders I pull through this process.
Title: Re: 24' x 32' Lake Cabin in Oklahoma
Post by: MountainDon on September 01, 2009, 12:50:10 PM
Thanks for the bell ringer.   :D

As for the beams, or girders as they are sometimes called, here's where my thoughts are coming from. As I said, I am not an engineer, just a thinker/ponderer.

There is no handy beam size calculator or beams as there are for joists and rafters, because the load calculation is more complex than for a simple floor span. However, the Southern Pine Council has a publication that has some information and tables regarding floor girders. It's their publication ref207.pdf. It is the one named headers and beams under the span tables section near the top of the following webpage.

Keep in mind that southern pine may have a higher strength rating than some of the other lumber types that are more common in some areas.

http://newstore.southernpine.com/cgi-bin/newsopine/index-us

Go to page 16. There you will see they recommend a triple layer o 2x12"s for a 32 foot long girder with free span spacing of 8 feet. So if I interpret their information correctly a double 2x12 is not sufficient. At this point it would seem to be a simple matter to nail a third 2x12 on the inside of the existing two outer beams. I know you have the plywood in there, but it is not equivalent to the strength of a 2x12. The plywood does add some stiffness I'm sure.

Of course I tend to err on the side of caution and overkill. My 15.75 x 30 cabin beams are a quad layer of 2x10's, supported 7 feet apart on 6x6 rough piers.


FWIW, my preference on the joists would be 2x10's and stay away from those extra "supports" to allow the use of 2x8's.

AWC joist and rafter calculator is HERE. (http://www.awc.org/calculators/span/calc/timbercalcstyle.asp)
Title: Re: 24' x 32' Lake Cabin in Oklahoma
Post by: ScottA on September 01, 2009, 03:21:07 PM
I guess I wasn't paying attention. Too busy i guess. I agree with Don on the floor joists. Use 2x10's and forget the extra braces. As for the beams... Ok here's what I'd do. You will have a 2x10 rim joist around the perimeter if you use 2x10 joists. This will sit on top of your double 2x12 beam. Make sure you spice it over a post then run OSB sheathing all the way down so it overlaps both pieces (the 2x10 and the 2x12) put a double row (staggered so you don't split the board)  of 8d nails 6" OC in each board through the sheathing. This will lock the 2 stacked boards together giving you something stronger than a double 2x12 for the wall to sit on. If this is a single story I don't see a problem if you do it this way. The snow load in your area is very low maybe 30psf. The pros might not agree but I belive this will work fine.
Title: Re: 24' x 32' Lake Cabin in Oklahoma
Post by: TexstarJim on September 01, 2009, 07:01:23 PM
Home from the lumber yard and this is my decision;  I ordered 2x12's to replace the 2x8's and they will be delivered Thursday, (two days).  They'll be placed 16" oc with the 5/4 decking, should be very strong without bounce.

Regarding the two suggestions (solutions) by Don and Scott, I will continue to think about these ideas and I appreciate the input guys, thanks. 8)
Title: Re: 24' x 32' Lake Cabin in Oklahoma
Post by: MountainDon on September 02, 2009, 09:34:04 AM
2x12's will certainly make a stiff floor. Good choice.


Another question on the roof trusses. Are you going to order the type that give extra depth for insulation right out to the side wall line? They have a special name which I forget. They let you get a full R-49 right out to the wall line even with modest pitch roofs. The extra attic insulation put in now will pay benefits back forever. It'll stay cooler in hot weather and warmer in cold weather.
Title: Re: 24' x 32' Lake Cabin in Oklahoma
Post by: rdzone on September 02, 2009, 10:23:50 AM
MD,

I beleive you are talking about raised heel trusses. These offer both structural stability and room for more insulation, which helps to increase a home's energy efficiency. A raised heel truss adds an extension to the top of the exterior wall, allowing for the full depth of insulation to be applied.
Title: Re: 24' x 32' Lake Cabin in Oklahoma
Post by: MountainDon on September 02, 2009, 02:20:37 PM
That's it exactly!!!
Title: Re: 24' x 32' Lake Cabin in Oklahoma
Post by: TexstarJim on September 02, 2009, 07:54:27 PM
The "raised heel" trusses sound like a good idea and if I can get them without spending a lot more money, I will certainly use them.  Thanks for the input guys. ;D
Title: Re: 24' x 32' Lake Cabin in Oklahoma
Post by: Daddog on September 03, 2009, 03:52:26 PM
Jim, those are the doubled 2"X6" rafters with the plywood straps on top and bottom with a cross brace on the top that are in the plans. I think you said you would just use the standard trusses and pile in the insulation in the "attic" instead of using the double rafters. Either way is good but using the double rafters will allow for you to add a loft or storage space later without interfering with the insulation. Stay dry and out of the mud.
Title: Re: 24' x 32' Lake Cabin in Oklahoma
Post by: TexstarJim on September 04, 2009, 01:50:37 PM
Ordered the trusses today, the "raised-heel" truss would have been around $15 bucks more per truss, so I opted out of using them.  I will get enough insulation into the perimeter to provide adequate insulation without using the raised heels. 

Still too muddy to work here, but the sun has been shining for around two hours and hopefully it will dry up enough to get back to work in the morning.
Title: Re: 24' x 32' Lake Cabin in Oklahoma
Post by: TexstarJim on September 06, 2009, 12:03:18 PM
Sometimes I feel like the old farmer that gets his crops in only to see the rain come along and wash them all away.  He replants, and the rain comes again, washes em all alway again.  Fighting a never-ending battle here with the elements.  Rain, rain, rain......... before that, horrible days of humidity that have you sweating profusely 10 minutes after you get started.  Air so thick and heavy that it makes it difficult to breath.

And then there's all these little creatures with wings that God created;  mosquitoes, gnats, horseflies, and the list goes on... :P

But it can only get better from here on out.  First day of Fall is the 22nd and just around the corner is October along with the first frost.  I thrive in cold weather, wilt and die in the heat.  I wanted to get this thing in the dry by the end of October, looks like I will be pushing my luck.  Even if with nice weather, its going to be a challenge
Title: Re: 24' x 32' Lake Cabin in Oklahoma
Post by: novicebuilder on September 08, 2009, 09:05:12 PM
Well, as the farmer said, "you've gotta make hay when the sun shines".  You'll eventually get the dry days you need to get things happening. For now, enjoy the rain.  Without it, that lake lot of yours would be "oceanfront property in Arizona"! 

Seriously, the project is taking good shape.  The foundation and bracing you've installed looks like it could hold up a bank vault.  And, the plans to use 2x12's for floor joists are going to further your sturdy base.  For a 24'x30' cabin, this ought to last a lifetime. 
Title: Re: 24' x 32' Lake Cabin in Oklahoma
Post by: cmsilvay on September 10, 2009, 08:31:54 PM
OH YES dont you just love this OK weather. I had a backhoe lined up so I could get digging this week so much for that idea
Title: Re: 24' x 32' Lake Cabin in Oklahoma
Post by: ScottA on September 10, 2009, 09:06:20 PM
Oh come on it's not that bad. It's only rained 7 days in a row. We had 4" in 30 minutes last night.  :P
Title: Re: 24' x 32' Lake Cabin in Oklahoma
Post by: TexstarJim on September 11, 2009, 07:06:04 AM
All this wet weather and damp conditions sure make a wonderful living environment.............if you're one or more of the over 200 aspergillus type molds.........hahahaha. :o
Title: Re: 24' x 32' Lake Cabin in Oklahoma
Post by: TexstarJim on September 26, 2009, 07:43:12 PM
Back to work finally after 5 weeks of almost constant rain.  Rained almost every day the last two weeks of August and rained every day in September up to Sept the 23rd.  Sun shined the last two days and dried it enough so I could get my 2x12 floor joists restacked and ready to use in the morning.  (Lumberyard stacked them wrong and put all the long ones on bottom)  I need the long ones to build the outer frame before installing the individual floor joists on the inside. 

I'll start posting updates as I go.......wish me luck. ;D
Title: Re: 24' x 32' Lake Cabin in Oklahoma
Post by: novicebuilder on September 27, 2009, 06:47:43 PM
Keep the pics coming!
Title: Re: 24' x 32' Lake Cabin in Oklahoma
Post by: TexstarJim on September 30, 2009, 06:57:08 PM
Here's the only new pic since I've been able to return to work.  Floor joists are installed.  I'm glad to be back driving nails after this latest Oklahoma monsoon.

(https://img.photobucket.com/albums/v215/Stinkfinger/Newcabin087.jpg)
Title: Re: 24' x 32' Lake Cabin in Oklahoma
Post by: ScottA on September 30, 2009, 07:35:17 PM
Looks good Jim. Don't forget blocking.  :)
Title: Re: 24' x 32' Lake Cabin in Oklahoma
Post by: TexstarJim on October 01, 2009, 08:25:20 PM
Who? ;D
Title: Re: 24' x 32' Lake Cabin in Oklahoma
Post by: novicebuilder on October 15, 2009, 07:25:03 AM
Still too wet to work I suppose?  One thing about it, your foundation ought not to settle any after this drys up. 
Title: Re: 24' x 32' Lake Cabin in Oklahoma
Post by: ScottA on October 15, 2009, 12:31:07 PM
We've only had 1 rain free day in the past 2 weeks. He probly gave up and went home.
Title: Re: 24' x 32' Lake Cabin in Oklahoma
Post by: TexstarJim on October 16, 2009, 01:45:09 AM
Last month, September, we had 14 days of rain keeping the ground saturated.  This month it has rained every day so far except for Oct the 2nd.  I mentioned early on in this thread I wanted to have my house in the dry by the end of October.  Perhaps I should have said "in the dry" by the end of October 2010.   d*
Title: Re: 24' x 32' Lake Cabin in Oklahoma
Post by: TexstarJim on October 20, 2009, 07:16:18 PM
Three days of sunny weather has given me the opportunity to get some work done.  Scott had said after the picture of the joists was posted not to forget to block.  Hard to forget something you don't like doing and I finished blocking er up this afternoon.  Only wish I could have got the joists blocked before they were soaked with rain.  Minor warping and some cupping, but not too bad.  Made it a little harder to fit the blocking in, but its done now.

I have a question:  My plan has always been to insulate the floor from topside before laying down the floor decking.  Its so much easier that way, but I was wondering about skipping the insulation til later in the interest of speeding up the process of getting this thing in the dry before really crappy winter weather.  I could actually do without the insulation in the floor for one winter.  I know the floors would be chilly to walk around on this winter and my heating bill would be more, but I really want to get this thing ready as soon as possible.

Anyone care to share their thoughts or ideas?
Title: Re: 24' x 32' Lake Cabin in Oklahoma
Post by: ScottA on October 20, 2009, 07:39:00 PM
Thats what I did. Sucks crawling around under the house to do it but it's not that bad. Much easier to do in cool weather. Also if your ground is rocky like mine get a piece of foam board to lay on.
Title: Re: 24' x 32' Lake Cabin in Oklahoma
Post by: MountainDon on October 20, 2009, 09:01:45 PM
I will never recommend putting the insulation in and then building the house on top of all that.

To me, it's an open invitation to have something go wrong and have the insulation get wet. Some have done so with success. I do not like to tempt fate, however.

I also did not like the idea o crawling around under the cabin stuffing insulation and installing the 3/8 plywood under the joists. I paid the neighbors unemployed adult son to do the job.
Title: Re: 24' x 32' Lake Cabin in Oklahoma
Post by: Bobmarlon on October 20, 2009, 09:34:04 PM
I used 3/4 fir t/g glued it and pounded it down with ring shank nails.  No water got through I had to drill a whole to let the water out if that changes your mind at all for putting in your insulation.  I would wait though.
Title: Re: 24' x 32' Lake Cabin in Oklahoma
Post by: poppy on October 20, 2009, 11:27:49 PM
Jim, for what it's worth, I am going to insulate from above, but not until the cabin is dried in.

That process won't be unreasonable for my build because the subfloor does not go under the side walls.  It may not be so easy for you.

I don't like the idea of having insulation in the floor before having a roof.  Rain is not your friend, as you have discovered.

Another alternative is to put a layer of dense foam board between the subfloor and the finish floor.  It doesn't have to be very thick to be effective.
Title: Re: 24' x 32' Lake Cabin in Oklahoma
Post by: TexstarJim on October 21, 2009, 09:19:44 AM
I sure appreciate all of your input guys and based upon your recommendations, I have decided to wait until after the cabin is in the dry before insulating.  Thanks again. :)
Title: Re: 24' x 32' Lake Cabin in Oklahoma
Post by: novicebuilder on October 31, 2009, 12:00:04 PM
Any updated pics?
Title: Re: 24' x 32' Lake Cabin in Oklahoma
Post by: TexstarJim on October 31, 2009, 07:46:37 PM
No nb, the only thing I have been able to do during the entire month of October was to get my blocking in between the floor joists.  Nothing new to see for now but as soon as I have er decked, I'll get some new pics up. :P
Title: Re: 24' x 32' Lake Cabin in Oklahoma
Post by: TexstarJim on November 09, 2009, 11:58:43 AM
I was able to start back work after a long month of rain in October and I've been building the deck/porch for the lakeside of the cabin.  My floor decking (4x8 sheets of 5/4 T&G plywood) will be delivered tomorrow and the forklift will set the load up on the deck at floor level.  Those sheets of decking are heavy and awkward to handle.  I didn't want to have to lift them (7 feet from the ground up to floor level) all the way up there by myself.

(https://img.photobucket.com/albums/v215/Stinkfinger/Newcabin002.jpg)

I had to build a drop-down deck (I call it my quarter-deck) in order to prevent a really long run of stairs.  If I hadn't split the deck up as I have, the stairway would have ran out into my driveway/parking area.

(https://img.photobucket.com/albums/v215/Stinkfinger/Newcabin008.jpg)


I haven't added any bracing yet, but will have to before the delivery is made of the decking.  It will weigh around 1200# and there must be some support in order to carry that large of a load.  One thing about it, if it holds and doesn't come crashing down I can always relax in the future without worries the deck will take a Peter Pan on me.

(https://img.photobucket.com/albums/v215/Stinkfinger/Newcabin012-2.jpg)
Title: Re: 24' x 32' Lake Cabin in Oklahoma
Post by: Don & Ginger Lundgren on November 09, 2009, 12:23:34 PM
I like it so far. I think that the platform part way up will be a nice touch to the deck as well as functional. Gives it more character in my mind.
Title: Re: 24' x 32' Lake Cabin in Oklahoma
Post by: Daddog on November 09, 2009, 12:56:05 PM
It's looking real good, Jimbo! I can hardly wait to get up there and sit with you on the deck with a hot cup of coffee in my hand peering out to the lake.
Title: Re: 24' x 32' Lake Cabin in Oklahoma
Post by: TexstarJim on November 09, 2009, 01:49:30 PM
Thanks guys, appreciate the feedback.  Jerry, you're always welcome around here.  Heck, I might even splurge and buy some "Starbucks" fancy coffee. 8)
Title: Re: 24' x 32' Lake Cabin in Oklahoma
Post by: ScottA on November 09, 2009, 05:12:38 PM
Good idea building the stairs now. That's what I did too.
Title: Re: 24' x 32' Lake Cabin in Oklahoma
Post by: TexstarJim on November 10, 2009, 12:37:40 PM
Delivery driver bringing the decking down the driveway with the forklift:

(https://img.photobucket.com/albums/v215/Stinkfinger/Newcabin092.jpg)

Once down the hill, he raises the load up to the height of the porch/deck:

(https://img.photobucket.com/albums/v215/Stinkfinger/Newcabin096.jpg)

Now I have this heavy decking setting right at work level without lifting each individual sheet over 7 feet up in the air one at a time.  I firmly believe in taking the lazy man's way of doing things and if I can avoid extra work, I sure will.

(https://img.photobucket.com/albums/v215/Stinkfinger/Newcabin099.jpg)
Title: Re: 24' x 32' Lake Cabin in Oklahoma
Post by: TexstarJim on November 10, 2009, 12:55:04 PM
Here's a picture of the decking stacked up at work level and the background shows the lake.  Notice the pretty blue skies too! :)

(https://img.photobucket.com/albums/v215/Stinkfinger/Newcabin102.jpg)

The shoreline is about 125 feet from my house and in the winter I can see the lake without any problems.  In the summer when all the trees are full of leaves, the view of the water is limited.
Title: Re: 24' x 32' Lake Cabin in Oklahoma
Post by: Redoverfarm on November 10, 2009, 04:49:45 PM
Jim good idea with stacking the sheeting.  That way you will only have a few to move around when you finish.  
Title: Re: 24' x 32' Lake Cabin in Oklahoma
Post by: Daddog on November 10, 2009, 06:17:59 PM
I thought you would have had all that decking nailed down already! What's the holdup, Jim?
Title: Re: 24' x 32' Lake Cabin in Oklahoma
Post by: TexstarJim on November 11, 2009, 05:44:07 AM
I would have but I can't figure out which side goes up and which side goes down? ???
Title: Re: 24' x 32' Lake Cabin in Oklahoma
Post by: poppy on November 11, 2009, 11:10:08 AM
Do I remember you reporting that the sub-floor is 5/4?  That in combo with 12" joists means that you have one stout floor system.

What are you going to load that floor with?  An extensive book library? A huge gun safe?  A pink elephant? ???
Title: Re: 24' x 32' Lake Cabin in Oklahoma
Post by: briantomhson on November 11, 2009, 02:30:07 PM
Very nice post with a ton of informative information. I really appreciate the fact that you approach these topics from a stand point of knowledge and information
instead of the typical "I think" mentality that you see so much on the internet these days.
Title: Re: 24' x 32' Lake Cabin in Oklahoma
Post by: TexstarJim on November 11, 2009, 06:38:42 PM
This if the first row of decking going down.  I laid 30# felt paper on top of the floor joists before laying the decking down.  This does two things, actually prevents "squeaky" floors and decreases air flow. 

(https://img.photobucket.com/albums/v215/Stinkfinger/Newcabin108.jpg)

Disregard the sheet of OSB laying there, its only purpose was to give me a platform while getting the first row of decking laid.  No fun to step through the floor joists and its hard on the skin of your legs.

I got half the decking down today, will finish tomorrow and add a picture or two of the finished floor.  Placed my order today for framing material and it should be delivered Friday morning.

Brian, thanks for your comment.  I like to share what little knowledge I have and hopefully someone can put it to use someday.  I know I've learned quite a bit by others in here sharing their knowledge.

Poppy, yes......... the floor decking is 5/4 setting on top of the 2x12 joists.  So far, it seems really solid without any bounce.  I started using 5/4 in the mid 80's and although it is a hassle to work with, I've not found anything that I like better.  When I first began carpentry in the early 70's we used "resawn" laid on top of the joists on the diagonal and then the flooring.  But somewhere along the way, they quit making resawn and hardly anyone I talk with remembers it.
Title: Re: 24' x 32' Lake Cabin in Oklahoma
Post by: Redoverfarm on November 11, 2009, 07:24:55 PM
So you will be wearing your dancing shoes tomarrow. [waiting]
Title: Re: 24' x 32' Lake Cabin in Oklahoma
Post by: TexstarJim on November 12, 2009, 03:16:13 PM
I slapped the level down on the floor today to check for level.  I'm more than satisfied with the outcome:

(https://img.photobucket.com/albums/v215/Stinkfinger/Newcabin113.jpg)

I took the close up shot of the bubble, then stepped back and took the picture below in order to display that the level is setting almost exactly in the middle of the cabin floor.

(https://img.photobucket.com/albums/v215/Stinkfinger/Newcabin114.jpg)

Almost done with the decking, two more rows and I am finished.  Red, I'll be digging out my "dancing" boots so I can do the Cotton-Eyed-Joe on my finished floor. ;D
Title: Re: 24' x 32' Lake Cabin in Oklahoma
Post by: TexstarJim on November 12, 2009, 07:52:23 PM
Had a visitor today, lil yearling doe stood for the longest and watched me work.....right up to the minute I used the nail gun and she took off. 

(https://img.photobucket.com/albums/v215/Stinkfinger/Newcabin111.jpg)
Title: Re: 24' x 32' Lake Cabin in Oklahoma
Post by: TexstarJim on November 14, 2009, 02:59:21 PM
I finished up installing the decking for the floor late yesterday evening and was going to take a picture, but it was too dark.  Here's a couple of views;

(https://img.photobucket.com/albums/v215/Stinkfinger/Newcabin129.jpg)


Notice the framing material\lumber setting where the decking material was in previous pictures.  This worked out really well and saved a lot of work by having the material ready to use up on the deck.

(https://img.photobucket.com/albums/v215/Stinkfinger/Newcabin133.jpg)

My next chore is to build the steps from the quarter-deck down to the ground.  I've been using the red ladder because I didn't want the stairway to the ground in the way when the forklift operator was setting lumber up to work level.  I think he would have gotten too close and possibly damaged the stairs.  Only takes one small error and a second to destroy hours of work.

My son and I were going to start framing Monday, but rain is forecast and we might face a delay.  I bought a large tarp from Lowe's last month to cover the floor in case of rain and I will stretch it out and put it in place later this evening. 

Framing material is here, trusses are here, OSB roof sheathing material is here, even the T-111 8" O.C. siding is here.  If I only had one more week of dry weather, I would have this thing in the dry.



Title: Re: 24' x 32' Lake Cabin in Oklahoma
Post by: ScottA on November 14, 2009, 04:12:20 PM
Looks good.  :)
Title: Re: 24' x 32' Lake Cabin in Oklahoma
Post by: TexstarJim on November 14, 2009, 04:39:47 PM
Thanks Scott, how's everything going with yours?
Title: Re: 24' x 32' Lake Cabin in Oklahoma
Post by: ScottA on November 15, 2009, 08:56:10 AM
It's going fine. I'm building cabinets.
Title: Re: 24' x 32' Lake Cabin in Oklahoma
Post by: glenn kangiser on November 15, 2009, 10:14:22 AM
It is traditional here to have a shot of someone dancing on the deck as John alluded to .  [waiting]
Title: Re: 24' x 32' Lake Cabin in Oklahoma
Post by: Redoverfarm on November 15, 2009, 11:06:28 AM
Maybe a " NO Rain" dance might be apprioate.  ;D
Title: Re: 24' x 32' Lake Cabin in Oklahoma
Post by: TexstarJim on November 15, 2009, 02:50:38 PM
Quote from: glenn kangiser on November 15, 2009, 10:14:22 AM
It is traditional here to have a shot of someone dancing on the deck as John alluded to .  [waiting]

I can dance up a storm I guess.......... it's raining........   >:(
Title: Re: 24' x 32' Lake Cabin in Oklahoma
Post by: TexstarJim on November 16, 2009, 06:21:24 PM
Quit raining early this morning around daylight, have been able to get the two long walls stood up and here's a picture of them;

(https://img.photobucket.com/albums/v215/Stinkfinger/Newcabin135.jpg)

Just a little too dark to see very well, but tomorrow morning I will post some better pictures with all 4 exterior walls standing.
Title: Re: 24' x 32' Lake Cabin in Oklahoma
Post by: TexstarJim on November 17, 2009, 08:37:20 PM
Back to work today and the walls are going up;

(https://img.photobucket.com/albums/v215/Stinkfinger/Newcabin150.jpg)

Looking through the west wall towards the lake.

(https://img.photobucket.com/albums/v215/Stinkfinger/Newcabin142.jpg)

My son getting ready to make a cut;

(https://img.photobucket.com/albums/v215/Stinkfinger/Newcabin138.jpg)

Nailing in a cripple stud for a window opening;

(https://img.photobucket.com/albums/v215/Stinkfinger/Newcabin141.jpg)

Exterior shot of the East wall;

(https://img.photobucket.com/albums/v215/Stinkfinger/Newcabin160.jpg)

Getting the South wall ready to stand:

(https://img.photobucket.com/albums/v215/Stinkfinger/Newcabin157.jpg)

Almost ready:

(https://img.photobucket.com/albums/v215/Stinkfinger/Newcabin152.jpg)

My son up on the ladder getting the North wall plumb;

(https://img.photobucket.com/albums/v215/Stinkfinger/Newcabin154.jpg)

1st truss on the gable end up and ready to secure;

(https://img.photobucket.com/albums/v215/Stinkfinger/Newcabin164.jpg)

And finally, I was told that the tradition is to dance a jig when your decking is down.  Just a tad late, but here I am justifying my Irish heritage dancing the jig:

(https://img.photobucket.com/albums/v215/Stinkfinger/Newcabin156.jpg)

Notice how "light" I am on my feet!!!! d*





Title: Re: 24' x 32' Lake Cabin in Oklahoma
Post by: Daddog on November 18, 2009, 12:34:07 AM
Jim, I feel like a piker. I spend all afternoon putting together a stupid TV cabinet and you nearly finished your walls! Maybe I would have profited from having a nail gun on that damn cabinet! I know one thing: if I find that guy that designed the TV cabinet, I'll wring his damn neck!
Anyway, You and your son are making good progress and it's looking great! However, you could use some of the nice warm weather we're having here in south-central Texas!
Title: Re: 24' x 32' Lake Cabin in Oklahoma
Post by: poppy on November 18, 2009, 12:34:11 PM
Are you sure that's not John Goodman doing the jig?  ???

Interesting appoach with the siding and no sheathing, plus you guys must be horses to raise those walls.  ::)
Title: Re: 24' x 32' Lake Cabin in Oklahoma
Post by: ScottA on November 18, 2009, 12:39:03 PM
When will we see trusses? Looking good so far.  :)
Title: Re: 24' x 32' Lake Cabin in Oklahoma
Post by: TexstarJim on November 18, 2009, 02:02:58 PM
Quote from: ScottA on November 18, 2009, 12:39:03 PM
When will we see trusses? Looking good so far.  :)

You mean these trusses?

(https://img.photobucket.com/albums/v215/Stinkfinger/Newcabin180.jpg)

"Interesting appoach with the siding and no sheathing, plus you guys must be horses to raise those walls."

Poppy, we had 3 other guys helping us when we stood up the (2) long walls.  My son and I did raise the (2) short walls, but with the exterior sheeting, it was really heavy. 

I've been told in the past that I favor John Goodman.  I prefer to think he favors me........   8)

Jerry, the last time I had someone try to hire me to put one of those Wal-Mart cabinets together, I refused.  They are a nightmare.

Now you can see the overall height of the house as it stands and hopefully placing the exterior sheeting on was justified before standing the walls.  So high that I just don't think it would have been feasible to try and nail em on from the outside.

I'm using 3/8" inch T-111 8" OC exterior siding and its already primed and ready to paint.  Tough stuff, perhaps a little thinner than what I would have liked, but long-term plans may included another type of siding in the future.  Til then, this stuff will work fine.
Title: Re: 24' x 32' Lake Cabin in Oklahoma
Post by: RainDog on November 18, 2009, 02:31:50 PM

How'd you get those up so fast? haha

I'm up in Tahlequah. Your countryside looks like it could be right down the road.

Lookin' good!

Parks
Title: Re: 24' x 32' Lake Cabin in Oklahoma
Post by: Dallas2build on November 20, 2009, 12:45:57 PM
The cabin is shaping up and looking great!  I really like the way you built the porch to make moving your lumber easier.  I will be building on a slope also and now plan to use the same tactic.

I hope to start building my cabin in S.E. Oklahoma in the spring.  Seeing this thread and watching your progress is really exciting.  
Title: Re: 24' x 32' Lake Cabin in Oklahoma
Post by: ScottA on November 20, 2009, 01:11:39 PM
 [cool]
Title: Re: 24' x 32' Lake Cabin in Oklahoma
Post by: TexstarJim on November 20, 2009, 07:02:40 PM
Parks, those trusses going up so fast are due to my son's tenacity and brute strength.  He made up his mind he would get them up and have them ready to flip the next morning.  He single-handedly took the trusses up from the ground, across the porch/deck, and had em all ready to install in less than an hour.  I tried to help him take the first one up, but he insisted on doing the rest himself.  I'm really thankful and proud of him for helping his dad get the trusses up.  He's a good guy.

Hey Dallas to build;  Good luck on yours when you start later next spring.  Make sure you document each step of the way with pictures and good narration so we can follow you.

Thanks for your input Scott.  Hopefully my metal roof will be on next Wednesday, the day before Thanksgiving.  I'm going to have them install the stove-pipe for my wood heater while they're putting the roof on.  I plan on never having to get up on the roof for anything after it's finished.  (1) 3" vent pipe is all I will have for plumbing drainage and that will be installed also.

I'll post some more pictures after the roof is finished. :D
Title: Re: 24' x 32' Lake Cabin in Oklahoma
Post by: RainDog on November 20, 2009, 07:08:52 PM

Lordy, Lordy! I figured you had a crane and a crew there. Fast work.
Title: Re: 24' x 32' Lake Cabin in Oklahoma
Post by: cmsilvay on November 21, 2009, 11:54:30 AM
Your making Great Progress you are getting me in troulbe over here in MUldrow.
Title: Re: 24' x 32' Lake Cabin in Oklahoma
Post by: TexstarJim on November 21, 2009, 01:02:50 PM
Thanks guys, appreciate your positive feedback and I hope any info I post in here comes to good use for others. ;D
Title: Re: 24' x 32' Lake Cabin in Oklahoma
Post by: Jens on November 21, 2009, 07:45:31 PM
Quote from: RainDog on November 18, 2009, 02:31:50 PM



I'm up in Tahlequah. Your countryside looks like it could be right down the road.



"The puppies are in Tahlequah Billy, at the train station."  Love that movie. 

Ain't it fun to be framing and have stuff go together so quickly?  Nice job.
Title: Re: 24' x 32' Lake Cabin in Oklahoma
Post by: TexstarJim on November 25, 2009, 01:20:17 PM
(https://img.photobucket.com/albums/v215/Stinkfinger/CopyofNewcabin190.jpg)

Here are my roofers laying down the 1st row of paper on the front of the house.  The next picture is the back without any paper yet.  These guys finished decking it yesterday evening and will get the paper down today before they leave.  They will be back next week to put the metal roof down.

(https://img.photobucket.com/albums/v215/Stinkfinger/Newcabin185.jpg)
Title: Re: 24' x 32' Lake Cabin in Oklahoma
Post by: TexstarJim on November 25, 2009, 09:16:48 PM
The cabin is dried in and out of the weather now.  My roofers went home for Thanksgiving and will be back next week to put down the metal roof.  They just didn't have enough time to get it done this trip.  But there's a layer of 30# felt paper laid on the roof deck, the fascia is on and the two gable ends have the exterior siding installed.  The rain cannot get inside and now she'll stay dry.  I hesitate to say the cabin is "in the dry" without the metal roof, but it will stay dry. ;D

Hard to see everything with all the scaffolding around the cabin, but tomorrow before I leave to be with my family for Thanksgiving, I will try to get a shot or two and post them.  It was too dark this evening when we finished to take any pics.

I'm wishing everyone a Happy Thanksgiving and hope your blessings are rich and full this holiday. ;)
Title: Re: 24' x 32' Lake Cabin in Oklahoma
Post by: poppy on November 25, 2009, 10:15:29 PM
In the hills of southern Ohio, tar paper makes it "in the dry."   :D

Looking good, Jim.

Looks like the roofers spared no expense for the scaffolding.   :o
Title: Re: 24' x 32' Lake Cabin in Oklahoma
Post by: TexstarJim on November 26, 2009, 06:28:24 PM
Thanks poppy, appreciate your input.

Heres a picture showing the gable end sheeting installed on the north end of the cabin;

(https://img.photobucket.com/albums/v215/Stinkfinger/Newcabin249.jpg)

Same shot from the south end of the house;

(https://img.photobucket.com/albums/v215/Stinkfinger/Newcabin217.jpg)

Front view of the cabin;

(https://img.photobucket.com/albums/v215/Stinkfinger/Newcabin222.jpg)


An interior view looking south from the northwest inside wall;

(https://img.photobucket.com/albums/v215/Stinkfinger/Newcabin227.jpg)

From where I took the picture above, I step outside on the deck/porch and this is my view of the lake:

(https://img.photobucket.com/albums/v215/Stinkfinger/Newcabin239.jpg)

Tomorrow I will pick up a push broom so I can clean up the inside floors before I build the interior walls.  I've picked up the attachments in order to get the stove pipe installed for my wood heater.  I've  have the roofers install the stove pipe and also the 3" vent pipe when they do the metal roof next week.

The big bay window is here and I still need to pick up the 6' sliding patio glass door for the side of the cabin facing the lake.  (2) 3'0'x4'0' windows go in the south wall and one in the north wall.  I will put a 2'0x3'0 slider above the kitchen sink on the east wall and a 3'0'x3'0' in the bathroom, also on the east wall.  My entry door's upper half is glass, so this should give me plenty of natural light and a good view of the lake.
Title: Re: 24' x 32' Lake Cabin in Oklahoma
Post by: Redoverfarm on November 26, 2009, 07:24:08 PM
Jim I noticed that the siding does not cover the rim or band board/joist.  What are your plans there?  The pressure I would not worry about but the white wood would cause me some concern wit the siding dropping water onto it.  You could flash it with coil stock color matched close to your stain. If your siding is not nailed tight it would be an easy "slip under". Just curious  ;D
Title: Re: 24' x 32' Lake Cabin in Oklahoma
Post by: TexstarJim on November 26, 2009, 08:17:03 PM
Red, that will depend on my insurance agent's agreeing with me choosing not to put skirting around the house.  I really don't want to ever have to skirt this house, even if it means cold air circulating beneath.  But I may be required by my insurance company and that be the case, then I will simply raise the skirting up to join at the bottom of my siding.  It will have flashing and all the necessary material to keep the moisture away from the bottom frame.

If I had not chosen the particular siding I did;  The T-111 composite material, I would have sheeted the house with OSB and extended the bottom layer down to attach around the rim of the band board/joist.  That makes a much stronger and secure building.  My rationale for not doing so is simple;  The T-111 I used is not available in 9 or 12 foot lengths.  I used this stuff because its already primed, can be painted or left alone for extended lengths of time without maintenance, and I can always come back later and apply vinyl siding.

Plus, I wanted the house to match my little storage building because I used the same T-111 to sheet around it.  I hope I can leave the skirting off because I like the idea of the house being open beneath.  Plus, I'm insulating the pee-diddle out of the floor so hopefully, my choice to leave the skirting off won't be too big a deal in the future.  I'll have a triple redundant heating system;  propane wall heaters, wood burning stove, and a 2KW heat strip in my ac unit.

Thanks for your input and question red, appreciate it. :)
Title: Re: 24' x 32' Lake Cabin in Oklahoma
Post by: ScottA on November 28, 2009, 09:46:47 AM
TexstarJim we just converted our insurance from construction to homeowners. They came out and took pictures at deer run about a month ago. Not one word about the bottom of the house being open (no skirting).

You're making great progress.  :)
Title: Re: 24' x 32' Lake Cabin in Oklahoma
Post by: TexstarJim on November 28, 2009, 10:00:06 AM
I guess it all boils down to the insurance company and what their requirements are.  I'd like to stay with the same company I have now for "builder's risk" and just do as you have done, convert it over to a regular homeowner's policy.  I'll call them pretty soon and see if I can gather some information regarding their expectations at completion of this project.  Thanks for your input Scott.
Title: Re: 24' x 32' Lake Cabin in Oklahoma
Post by: Dallas2build on December 11, 2009, 06:10:17 PM
Anyone heard from Jim?  I've been following his progress as have you all and now we haven't heard from him in a couple weeks.  Hope he is ok.  Working alone is so dangerous, I know I've fallen more than once. 
Title: Re: 24' x 32' Lake Cabin in Oklahoma
Post by: TexstarJim on December 11, 2009, 07:38:51 PM
I'm doing fine, thanks for your concerns.  Haven't posted anything new due to me not getting much more done lately related to the weather.  It turned into winter immediately after Thanksgiving here and just too cold for me to work outside.  I'm looking forward to a little warming trend pretty soon. :D
Title: Re: 24' x 32' Lake Cabin in Oklahoma
Post by: TexstarJim on December 18, 2009, 06:04:19 PM
Had a few days the temperature was up over 40 degrees and this allowed me to get some cornish work painted.  I installed the soffit along the east side today and will trim it out tomorrow if weather permits.

(https://img.photobucket.com/albums/v215/Stinkfinger/Newcabin317.jpg)

I wish my roofers hadn't tacked the drip-edge up, now I will have to tape it off before painting the fascia.  They only put it on the east and west side........thankfully.

(https://img.photobucket.com/albums/v215/Stinkfinger/Newcabin318.jpg)

Here's a shot showing the entire run on the east side;

(https://img.photobucket.com/albums/v215/Stinkfinger/Newcabin319.jpg)

My trim board is painted and ready to nail up, just have to wait til tomorrow.  Once I get the trim up beneath soffit joining the wall, I will make some trim to nail under the soffit joining the fascia.  I'll use 1" stock, router it, then paint it before installing.

My goal is to get all the cornish work done, including painting, while the scaffolding is still in place.  I've been limited the last two weeks due to the cold weather that restricts me from painting.

Another factor due to my age is the danger of falling.  I've kept off the scaffolding going up under the gable ends because of their height.  I have to have someone here in case of an accident, otherwise I might survive the fall only to lay here and die of exposure.  Living alone has its advantages and disadvantages. 

Funny though, my last wife trained me well because I still put the toilet seat down and she's been dead 5 years....  ???
Title: Re: 24' x 32' Lake Cabin in Oklahoma
Post by: TexstarJim on December 18, 2009, 06:12:41 PM
Also, there will be two (2) windows only on this east wall.  One bathroom and one kitchen window.  This is the wall that faces the road up above me and I wanted to restrict snoops by having limited windows on this side.  The trim paint was matched at Lowes on their computer to match the roof and the color you see (pre-painted) on the wall is called "Doe-skin" and I liked the light brown color offsetting the richer copper color of my roof/trim/soffit.

I'm trying to have enough painting done as I said in the previous reply that I will not have to use the scaffolding later.  It comes down anyway when the roof is finished.  My roofers are waiting on a few days of warm weather before they attempt to install the metal roof.  Although I would like the roof to be on now, I reassured the roofers it was entirely up to them to make that decision.  They live around 200 miles away and have been great to come up and do the work so far and they're very reasonable in their rate.  Good guys.....  ;D
Title: Re: 24' x 32' Lake Cabin in Oklahoma
Post by: Redoverfarm on December 18, 2009, 06:22:46 PM
Jim if you are putting up gutters then I wouldn't worry about taping it off as any paint accidently brushed will just be hidden. 
Title: Re: 24' x 32' Lake Cabin in Oklahoma
Post by: TexstarJim on December 18, 2009, 07:16:33 PM
Yes, I hadn't thought about that red.......... gee thanks, you saved me the trouble of masking off the drip-edge.  I can "cut" the paint in well enough and like you say, any little dab happening to get on the drip-edge will indeed be covered by the guttering.

Dang you guys sure come in handy..........thanks! :)
Title: Re: 24' x 32' Lake Cabin in Oklahoma
Post by: novicebuilder on December 18, 2009, 08:26:50 PM
You can also splash a little paint on the gable ends before the roofers put the edge trim down on top of the metal roofing.  You won't have to paint the whole board. Just the bottom half or so.  Any thing to make painting easier is worth the trouble! :)
Title: Re: 24' x 32' Lake Cabin in Oklahoma
Post by: TexstarJim on December 18, 2009, 08:33:17 PM
I'm going to see if my neighbor will keep an eye out for me this weekend so I can get some work done up on the gable end scaffolding.  I'm going to wrap myself with bubble-wrap from head to toe too.......... just in case. [cool]
Title: Re: 24' x 32' Lake Cabin in Oklahoma
Post by: Jens on December 18, 2009, 10:41:37 PM
is the fascia primed?  Depending on the primer, might want to actually pop the drip edge off and paint the board behind it to protect from moisture.  Maybe not though, just a thought.
Title: Re: 24' x 32' Lake Cabin in Oklahoma
Post by: poppy on December 19, 2009, 11:45:19 AM
As a man working alone myself, I appreaciate your caution.   8) No need to die while building your dream cabin.

I like he bubblewrap idea.  ;D
Title: Re: 24' x 32' Lake Cabin in Oklahoma
Post by: TexstarJim on December 19, 2009, 11:54:38 AM
I had a member message me asking about the storage shed.  I sent him a slideshow and will share that here also;

https://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v215/Stinkfinger/Storage%20Shed/?action=view&current=e08c4e4b.pbw (https://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v215/Stinkfinger/Storage%20Shed/?action=view&current=e08c4e4b.pbw)
Title: Re: 24' x 32' Lake Cabin in Oklahoma
Post by: TexstarJim on December 19, 2009, 09:22:35 PM
Quote from: Jens on December 18, 2009, 10:41:37 PM
is the fascia primed?  Depending on the primer, might want to actually pop the drip edge off and paint the board behind it to protect from moisture.  Maybe not though, just a thought.

Good question Jens...... yes, the fascia is hardy board and primed.  I bought 8"x 12feet hardy board, ripped it down to 5-1/2" width for the fascia, and will use the slimmer pieces for trim.  Anyway, that's the plan.  I've painted the trim boards and they're ready to install along the bottom of the soffit, but it was just too damp and cold today.  I'll post another pic or two once the trim is installed along the east wall.

Poppy, maybe one these coming years after both of us have finished our projects, we can swap visits to each other.  Unless we're too old by then and wearing diapers. :-\
Title: Re: 24' x 32' Lake Cabin in Oklahoma
Post by: Jens on December 20, 2009, 12:45:33 PM
at least you could help each other clean up Jim.  But I guess it "depends" on your relationship.  Don't want to get into any messy situations.
Title: Re: 24' x 32' Lake Cabin in Oklahoma
Post by: TexstarJim on January 21, 2010, 08:13:24 PM
I have been able to start back to work on my house after rain, other delays, and bitterly cold weather recently.  My roofers were able to break away (they're from Dallas) and make it back to Oklahoma to get the metal roof down.  They've not quite done, but will finish in the morning.  This is the only picture I have made recently and there's not much new progress made, but I will add more pictures soon.

(https://img.photobucket.com/albums/v215/Stinkfinger/Newcabin.jpg)

Stove pipe is in, but needs cap on top.  Cedar log is in place and holding up the front porch roof.  Bay window is framed out and hopefully I will get the window installed tomorrow.  That's about if for now. :D
Title: Re: 24' x 32' Lake Cabin in Oklahoma
Post by: RainDog on January 21, 2010, 08:20:49 PM

Comin' right along, huh? Looks to me like it's gonna be just fine.  :D
Title: Re: 24' x 32' Lake Cabin in Oklahoma
Post by: novicebuilder on January 22, 2010, 10:14:03 AM
Looks really good!  Things are progressing quite nicely.  That color sure looks good on the roof with the wooded surroundings.
Title: Re: 24' x 32' Lake Cabin in Oklahoma
Post by: Dallas2build on January 22, 2010, 11:25:46 AM
Good to see you've thawed out up there enough to work.  Looking good! 
Title: Re: 24' x 32' Lake Cabin in Oklahoma
Post by: TexstarJim on January 22, 2010, 06:43:49 PM
Thanks all, glad to be back to work.  I would post some more pics of today's progress but I'm running out of daylight.  Maybe I can have some more early next week.  Supposed to rain tonight and all day tomorrow......... ::)
Title: Re: 24' x 32' Lake Cabin in Oklahoma
Post by: TexstarJim on January 26, 2010, 03:48:20 PM
Just a few more pictures to share after the roof has been totally finished:

(https://img.photobucket.com/albums/v215/Stinkfinger/Newcabin001-2.jpg)

This picture above is looking northwest towards the lake.  Notice the 3" vent pipe because it will be the only venting for the plumbing.  Should be ample at that size.

(https://img.photobucket.com/albums/v215/Stinkfinger/Newcabin004-2.jpg)

This picture includes a shot of the 10' x 16' building that is currently my home while I am building the large cabin.  It wasn't meant to be anything other than my combination tool shed and work shop.  But its nice to be here close to my jobsite, tools, and materials.  Just in case any of my stuff decided to grow legs and run off! :-[

(https://img.photobucket.com/albums/v215/Stinkfinger/Newcabin009-1.jpg)

The picture above shows the front of the lake cabin along with the front of the tool shed\work shop, (temporary living quarters).

(https://img.photobucket.com/albums/v215/Stinkfinger/Newcabin014-1.jpg)

And finally one more picture of the bay window.  The bay window is 8 feet long and almost 5 feet wide.  A slider in each end, vinyl-clad, thermo-pane, Pella.  This window was a bargain because it was a return to Lowe's and originally sold for $360.00.  I picked it up for half that:  $180.00

It fit my needs fine because I wanted a large window looking out towards the lake. ;D

I was going to take some more pictures, but will have to wait later in the day because the sun is in the worst spot right now for taking pictures looking south.  Just too much of a glare and the I wanted one showing the roof from the front side.  Maybe later...... sigh........  8)
Title: Re: 24' x 32' Lake Cabin in Oklahoma
Post by: poppy on January 26, 2010, 03:59:40 PM
Hey Jim, are you sure you will be motivated enough to finish the cabin, since that tool shed looks like it has all the comforts of home including A/C?  ;D

Good deal on the window, but where is the bay part?  ???
Title: Re: 24' x 32' Lake Cabin in Oklahoma
Post by: TexstarJim on January 26, 2010, 04:53:23 PM
Oops, misspoke poppy........its not a "bay" window......... sorry. :o
Title: Re: 24' x 32' Lake Cabin in Oklahoma
Post by: Redoverfarm on January 26, 2010, 04:58:53 PM
Quote from: TexstarJim on January 26, 2010, 04:53:23 PM
Oops, misspoke poppy........its not a "bay" window......... sorry. :o

I guess you could actually say it is a " picture view window" as they used to call them.  Nice progress.  It is always good to know that you are finally out of the elements and hardly anything can slow you down at this point.
Title: Re: 24' x 32' Lake Cabin in Oklahoma
Post by: TexstarJim on January 26, 2010, 05:12:07 PM
Thanks Red, it sure is a "good feeling" and I appreciate everyone's good wishes to help me get to this point.  I can sorta relax in regards to the weather from here on out.  No excuse not to be working now...... 

Here is the shot I wanted to get earlier today, but the sun interfered due to the glare;

(https://img.photobucket.com/albums/v215/Stinkfinger/Newcabin017-1.jpg)

My goal is to now finish up any work along the gable ends and get everything done that requires the scaffolding.  Once I get the scaffolding down, I can close in the front of the house with the sheeting.  Get my remaining windows installed and I will be pretty much finished with the exterior.  That includes all the exterior painting.

Inside will go fast and my plan is to be living in the house by mid-March.  Wish me luck! :D
Title: Re: 24' x 32' Lake Cabin in Oklahoma
Post by: MountainDon on January 26, 2010, 07:07:51 PM
Yeah, that would qualify as a picture window in my book.

Curious here... how are you installing / flashing the windows? Is the window flange over the T1-11 or under it?
Title: Re: 24' x 32' Lake Cabin in Oklahoma
Post by: TexstarJim on January 26, 2010, 07:48:36 PM
The window flange will be under the siding Don.  Even if I have to temporarily lift the siding up to slide the window in, the flange needs to go under the T-111.  The hole for the window can be cut out large enough to accommodate setting in the window, but I think I can do it by allowing the siding to hinge up from the bottom (after the hole for the window has been cut) and placing the window, then letting the siding back into place.

Dang you guys don't miss nuttin.........   :)
Title: Re: 24' x 32' Lake Cabin in Oklahoma
Post by: Bobmarlon on February 10, 2010, 12:22:08 AM
looking really good!  I wish I had known more about the T111 that was a smart call the way you did it. 
Title: Re: 24' x 32' Lake Cabin in Oklahoma
Post by: Pine Cone on February 10, 2010, 01:56:18 AM
I like it!  Wish I had a view of a lake, but I'm getting new neighbors soon and might get a better view sometime in the next year or two if we can agree to cut some trees down.

Occupancy by mid-March sounds like lots of work.  Hope you get some good weather between now and then!
Title: Re: 24' x 32' Lake Cabin in Oklahoma
Post by: TexstarJim on February 12, 2010, 07:44:40 PM
Well Bob, its something you can consider in the future should you ever choose to build a house with siding.  Just keep in mind though, this type structure loses some strength because the sheeting is not attached below the bottom plate of the frame.

Pine cone, hopefully some day you and your neighbor can reach agreement on which trees to cut on both your place and theirs.  Open up the shoreline and increase your view of the water.  I'm lucky, my neighbor feels the same way about trees blocking the view of the lake.  We both like the big trees but have no use for the smaller ones that group up and block our view.  We both have chainsaws too.........   ;D

Weather has been terrible lately, wet with snow and lotsa rain.  Really too cold to get much done but today I was able to remove the osb sheet that hung on the corner (it was placed to give strength to the wall as we lifted it up), then I got the house wrap installed all the way up to the edge of the front door.  Tomorrow I will finish the house wrap and once its all the way across, I'll start nailing up the last of the exterior sheeting and the house will be closed in completely.  Well, except for the sliding patio glass door and the main entry door.

My son's bringing over a wood stove when he gets time and that'll break the cold inside......even without insulation.  It was 35 degrees when I came inside and my fingers were pretty much numb.  But overall, it was fun getting to work and knock out yet another chore.

I'll get some pictures posted over the weekend of my progress.  Thanks again for your encouragement and compliments. ;)
Title: Re: 24' x 32' Lake Cabin in Oklahoma
Post by: TexstarJim on February 13, 2010, 05:16:59 PM
I have installed the exterior siding all the way up to the north side of the front door (entry way) and should have the entire west side completely sheeted by Monday. 

(https://img.photobucket.com/albums/v215/Stinkfinger/Newcabin021.jpg)

Notice the exterior door behind the swinging doors in the little storage building.  That door will be moved to the new cabin when needed.  The storage building is my temporary dwelling while I build the lake cabin. 

I have all my windows here too including the sliding patio glass door and that patio door came in pieces to be assembled.  >:(

I am not looking forward to building that patio glass door and regret buying it now.  But I wanted a low "E" patio door and it is.
Title: Re: 24' x 32' Lake Cabin in Oklahoma
Post by: TexstarJim on February 18, 2010, 06:42:59 PM
Officially finished with exterior except for the trim and painting.  Today I installed the last of the exterior sheeting all the way across the front and then the small strip that goes along the top;

(https://img.photobucket.com/albums/v215/Stinkfinger/Newcabin029.jpg)

Here's another view:

(https://img.photobucket.com/albums/v215/Stinkfinger/Newcabin034.jpg)

The sliding glass patio door (placed in front of the master bedroom looking out across the lake) was a booger to install.  Exacting fit, lotsa effort went into getting the frame squared and plumb, and the doors are heavy and much work for one person to lift and insert into the slides.  But after finishing, I was proud for the view I now have. 
Title: Re: 24' x 32' Lake Cabin in Oklahoma
Post by: ScottA on February 18, 2010, 07:17:10 PM
Comming along nicely.  :) I feel your pain on the patio door. I did one myself.
Title: Re: 24' x 32' Lake Cabin in Oklahoma
Post by: TexstarJim on February 18, 2010, 08:06:42 PM
Did I mention the patio door was not pre-hung?  It came in pieces and the frame had to be put together.  Never again I kept saying to myself.........never again.  d*
Title: Re: 24' x 32' Lake Cabin in Oklahoma
Post by: novicebuilder on February 18, 2010, 09:49:12 PM
The project is coming along real good.  Thanks for the pics.  I'm glad you got the door installed today.  A woodstove inside will surely break the chill on cool morning now. 
Title: Re: 24' x 32' Lake Cabin in Oklahoma
Post by: TexstarJim on April 13, 2010, 11:44:52 AM
Well, it's been so long since I have updated this thread it had migrated back to page 4.  I've been working really hard since the weather improved and I want to share some pictures of both inside and outside.

This 1st picture shows the Southwest corner of the house and gives an idea of the height of the cabin.

(https://img.photobucket.com/albums/v215/Stinkfinger/Newcabin060.jpg)

I've got all my windows installed except for the kitchen window and it should be in anytime.  Since the drywall crew will be here later this week, the kitchen window will be wrapped in wood later on instead of sheetrock.  The rest will be wrapped in rock.

(https://img.photobucket.com/albums/v215/Stinkfinger/Newcabin043-1.jpg)

Interior shot of bathroom entrance and the entrance back to the utility room which will double for a spare bedroom when the grandkids come for a visit.  The area where the short green ladder is setting is going to be a combination shower room and closet.

(https://img.photobucket.com/albums/v215/Stinkfinger/Newcabin041.jpg)

The picture above is the water manifold and the next picture shows a close-up because you can control each water application throughout the cabin independently, hot or cold, from one central location.  Makes it convenient to be able to repair a leaky faucet while not interrupting the water in the rest of the house.

(https://img.photobucket.com/albums/v215/Stinkfinger/Newcabin040-1.jpg)

If you're planning a new build in the future, I highly recommend you consider installing one of the water manifolds.  The cost was around $150.00 extra, but it is labor intensive.  I figure it was worth the extra work now for those times later when I might have to work on the plumbing.

(https://img.photobucket.com/albums/v215/Stinkfinger/Newcabin038.jpg)

This final shot is of the bedroom area that has the sliding patio glass door looking towards the lake.  Later on I will build a screened in area on the deck that will be accessible only from that patio door.  I figure if the mosquitos and gnats want to pester me, they will have to follow me into the house and out the patio door.

(https://img.photobucket.com/albums/v215/Stinkfinger/Newcabin042.jpg)

I had originally planned to wall off the bedroom from the main living area, but I had several people suggest just leaving the living area and bedroom area "open".  The more I thought of it, the more I liked the idea and went with that.  Nice thing about building your own place, you can make those decisions as you go.

I'll be sharing more pictures more frequently as I have time and I want to thank you for looking at these. 

Title: Re: 24' x 32' Lake Cabin in Oklahoma
Post by: ScottA on April 16, 2010, 05:29:51 AM
Looks like you're making good progress.  :)
Title: Re: 24' x 32' Lake Cabin in Oklahoma
Post by: TexstarJim on April 20, 2010, 07:57:19 AM
Cabin is ready for the drywall crew.  I know a lot of people do their own sheetrocking, but I'm not able to do it by myself and these guys are so much faster than one person doing it alone.  Here are a few pics of the interior;

(https://img.photobucket.com/albums/v215/Stinkfinger/Newcabin076.jpg)

This picture was shot from the Northwest corner in the living room.  To the left is the kitchen area and right behind the yellow light-stand is the bathroom.  The next doorway leads into the utility room and the doorway to the right is for the shower room/closet area.  The bedrroom sets to the right of the shower room.

(https://img.photobucket.com/albums/v215/Stinkfinger/Newcabin085.jpg)

The picture above is looking through the wall from the utility room into the bathroom.

(https://img.photobucket.com/albums/v215/Stinkfinger/Newcabin070.jpg)

Shower room has been framed out to suit a HVAC unit for future installation if the need should ever arise.  The through-the-wall ac unit I am installing (combination heat pump/air conditioner) should work fine, but just in case I added air vents in the ceiling before the cabin is sheetrocked.  A lot easier to install them now then later on.

(https://img.photobucket.com/albums/v215/Stinkfinger/Newcabin080.jpg)

Finally, this shot is from the opposite end of the cabin looking North.  Kitchen area is over to the right of the stack of sheetrock and the living room to the left.

I've installed speaker wire for a surround-sound stereo system up close to the ceiling in the Northwest corner (where the television will be mounted) with additional speaker wires in the ceiling at two locations about 12 feet from the corner.  I'm not an accoustics expert by any means, but I figure getting the two speakers behind the audience should give the effect of surround sound.  I didn't want any wires dangling on the wall or along the ceiling after I've finished the cabin.

I'll be adding more pictures after the drywall crew has hung the sheetrock.
Title: Re: 24' x 32' Lake Cabin in Oklahoma
Post by: Snoopy on April 20, 2010, 08:39:20 PM
 Hey Jim ,   I've been tracking your progress all along and have just got up the nerve to join the Forum.
  Great job - your rockin' & rollin' ! If I could just go back for a moment and ask you - Is that plywood
  sandwiched between the double 2x12 and the single 2x12 (stacked on top of each other) ? And if so ,
  what is the reason for that ?  I , personally haver never built a foundation this way ,but am very
  interested .
Title: Re: 24' x 32' Lake Cabin in Oklahoma
Post by: TexstarJim on April 21, 2010, 12:38:44 PM
Welcome to the forum snoopy, glad to see you joined.  To answer your question:

Placing a layer of plywood between the two (2) beams (2x12's) gives additional strength because you stagger the ends of the beams so two ends don't join at the same place.  (In other words, the ends of 4 boards don't junction at the same place)  The plywood reinforces the junction because it also overlaps any joining of ends. 

Pier and beam construction is usually very strong and adjustable later on in case you have some settling of the structure.

Hope this explains the technique.

Here is a shot of the interior after the sheetrock has been hung:

(https://img.photobucket.com/albums/v215/Stinkfinger/Newcabin100.jpg)
Title: Re: 24' x 32' Lake Cabin in Oklahoma
Post by: Snoopy on April 21, 2010, 03:54:35 PM
 My apologies Jim , I did not do a good job asking that question....I understand the plywood between the
double 2x12's , but I'm talking about where you had placed your lone 2x12 atop those doubles to start
your floor joists. It looks like a layer of plywood sits between your floor and the built-up beam. But just
on the outer perimeter .....Am I a little clearer on that - I'm certain the problem's with me !
Title: Re: 24' x 32' Lake Cabin in Oklahoma
Post by: TexstarJim on April 21, 2010, 07:59:30 PM
Oh OK, I got you now.  No, that's a 1x4 laid flat that runs around the top of the entire set of beams.  In order for me to get my floor framing exactly square, I wanted some lee-way for tweaking and the 1x4 enabled me to do that.  Had I went to an extra lot of work and trouble, I might.......and I emphasize "might" have gotten the beams perfectly square and built my floor joists inside of the beams.  But working with concrete, rough lumber, and working alone, I decided not to try that.  Using the pythagorean method of squaring up a rectangle (the 3,4,5 method), I got the diagonal within a quarter of an inch by building the frame on top of the beams. 

I was off more than that with the beam structure, almost an inch at one corner.  So, the layer of 1x4 laid flat gave me a good working surface to squaring up the floor framing.  I hope this answers your question.  Good question by the way. ;D
Title: Re: 24' x 32' Lake Cabin in Oklahoma
Post by: Snoopy on April 21, 2010, 10:05:39 PM
 Oh , a 1x4....OK !  I  thought that I saw something like that. And  I understand why. Working by yourself
takes alot of guts and determination ,but your success is much sweeter. You're making great progress and
going plenty fast - don't let anybody tell you different ! The 3-4-5 method is useful know-how ,much like
your water-level. Another extention of the 3-4-5 is the  6-8-10 method(as you probably know) . It can be
a little more tricky using longer measurements though when your building alone.

      Thank you for the response.....Look forward to more updates !
Title: Re: 24' x 32' Lake Cabin in Oklahoma
Post by: ScottA on April 22, 2010, 07:28:00 PM
Looks good but I consider hiring sheetrockers to be cheating. I'll bet you are hiring drywall finishers too.  ;)
Title: Re: 24' x 32' Lake Cabin in Oklahoma
Post by: TexstarJim on April 23, 2010, 06:55:14 AM
Quote from: ScottA on April 22, 2010, 07:28:00 PM
Looks good but I consider hiring sheetrockers to be cheating. I'll bet you are hiring drywall finishers too.  ;)

Yeppers, and he is almost half done with the finishing of the walls.  Took those Mexican drywall hangers less than 5 hours to sheetrock the entire house, it would have taken me two weeks.   :P
Title: Re: 24' x 32' Lake Cabin in Oklahoma
Post by: fishing_guy on April 23, 2010, 07:46:00 AM
As a high school student, I worked summers with my dad and uncle hanging.  You "became" a journeyman when you could hang 40 sheets a day.

We had plenty of 6 hour days...the sheets were hung, and no more to do that day.

I quickly learned to hustle buns!
Title: Re: 24' x 32' Lake Cabin in Oklahoma
Post by: TexstarJim on April 29, 2010, 05:11:15 PM
Texturing was completed Monday night and I have started priming and painting.  Here's a shot of the utility room;

(https://img.photobucket.com/albums/v215/Stinkfinger/Newcabin106.jpg)

The small area to the right of the window was originally planned to be a pantry but in order for me to set my upright freezer into the utility room and not take up too much floor space (gonna use it as a spare guestroom too) I decided to set the freezer into this nook and have the door open even with the wall.  I have a plug in and cable outlet that will allow a television to set up above the freezer so the grandkids can watch tv.

(https://img.photobucket.com/albums/v215/Stinkfinger/Newcabin105.jpg)

Looking the opposite direction in the utility room shows were the washer/dryer will set.  I went with a light pastel yellow color for this room.

(https://img.photobucket.com/albums/v215/Stinkfinger/Newcabin108-1.jpg)

The picture above is peeking into the bathroom and notice the bath-mat on the side of the tub.  It saw some action last night and a nice hot bath sure felt great.  There will be a slender piece of granite set where the bar of soap is setting for a small shelf in front of the tub.  The vanity will set to the left of the tub and the toilet flange is set and ready for the toilet after the tile is laid.

(https://img.photobucket.com/albums/v215/Stinkfinger/Newcabin107.jpg)

And finally, here is a shot of the shower-room.  The shower-room and bathroom have only been primed with a sealer and will be painted a light pastel blue later tonight.

That's about it for now and thanks for looking. ;D
Title: Re: 24' x 32' Lake Cabin in Oklahoma
Post by: Redoverfarm on April 29, 2010, 07:04:14 PM
Looking good Jim.  Be careful or you will work yourself out of a job.   ;D
Title: Re: 24' x 32' Lake Cabin in Oklahoma
Post by: TexstarJim on April 30, 2010, 07:37:44 AM
Thanks Red and that's sorta the plan isn't it?
Title: Re: 24' x 32' Lake Cabin in Oklahoma
Post by: TexstarJim on May 14, 2010, 02:45:56 PM
The toilet was installed this morning and life just got a little easier;

(https://img.photobucket.com/albums/v215/Stinkfinger/Newcabin-1.jpg)

I had to wait until my tile was laid and set before putting in the toilet.  Once I install the bathroom vanity, this bathroom is pretty much finished.  Lumber yard called today and said my interior doors are in.  Takes me about 20 minutes to install an interior door.  Won't take very long to trim out the bathroom and install the window stool, then it really is finished.
Title: Re: 24' x 32' Lake Cabin in Oklahoma
Post by: Snoopy on May 14, 2010, 09:12:37 PM
 Jim ,

  Lookin' good !.....Probably the smartest move in making this the most comfortable room 1st.
Title: Re: 24' x 32' Lake Cabin in Oklahoma
Post by: TexstarJim on May 18, 2010, 03:18:11 PM
Thanks Snoopy ;D

I'm almost finished with the exterior painting and I have decided there are other things more fun to do than painting.  I hate it! d*

(https://img.photobucket.com/albums/v215/Stinkfinger/Newcabin118.jpg)

(https://img.photobucket.com/albums/v215/Stinkfinger/Newcabin114-1.jpg)

I will be trimming out the windows, door, and ac unit (through the wall) with Western Cedar.  I will prime the cedar, then paint it the same color as the trim along the soffit and roof edge.  I'm only using cedar because of its ability to withstand moisture.  Western Cedar is cheaper than Red Cedar.  

I've still got to build the ramp up to the porch that will cross the little stream on the North side of the cabin.  It will join the porch in the area where the blue ice chest is setting.  Once the ramp is built, I will build the railings all around the porch\deck and on the sides of the ramp.  I thought about covering the ramp with a roof, but won't do so for now.  Down to the nitty gritty on my finances and watching my budget very closely.

And I still have to box in the roof over the porch with soffit.  I can't do that until I can finish the other sides of the cabin because I need the scaffolding used elsewhere to install the soffit under the porch.

I expect to be totally finished by the end of June. ;D

Title: Re: 24' x 32' Lake Cabin in Oklahoma
Post by: TexstarJim on August 22, 2010, 09:00:05 AM
Summer heat has actually eaten my lunch on this project.  This area of Oklahoma has been under heat advisories and heat warnings almost every day since the last week of June.  Due to my health, I am unable to tolerate heat in excess of 80 degrees and those days with high humidity find me gasping for breath.  Below is a picture of the progress thus far and I haven't been able to do anything outside since I got this ramp/deck built over my little creek. 

(https://img.photobucket.com/albums/v215/Stinkfinger/Newcabin139.jpg)

The ramp is not finished by a long shot, not even screwed down good.  Heat moved in before I could finish the ramp and get the railings built and put in place.  I hate not having something complete, but I don't have a choice right now.  I'm hoping by the middle of September I can resume outside work and totally finish the exterior.
Title: Re: 24' x 32' Lake Cabin in Oklahoma
Post by: Texas Tornado on August 23, 2010, 05:10:32 PM
Hi TexstarJim,
Can you please explain why you did this?
The beams will be (2) 2"x12" sandwiched together with (2) strips of 1/2" plywood (staggered) in between.  Each beam will be 32 feet long and there will be three.
Irene
Title: Re: 24' x 32' Lake Cabin in Oklahoma
Post by: TexstarJim on August 25, 2010, 11:56:17 PM
Yes, for strength and rigidity.  Almost impossible to find a naturally occurring beam that is 32 feet long without spending a wheel-barrow full of money, so I simply made my own beams.  The lamination provides the strength, mainly the staggering of the boards as put together.  (shown in the pictures.)
Title: Re: 24' x 32' Lake Cabin in Oklahoma
Post by: Texas Tornado on August 26, 2010, 09:37:59 AM
Thank You soooo much!!!!
Title: Re: 24' x 32' Lake Cabin in Oklahoma
Post by: chad on August 29, 2010, 05:58:21 PM
Hi,jim ive been reading this on and off and your cabin looks great.I have a question,is your 2 by 12`s directly on top of the 6 by6`s or did you cut a step in your 6 by 6.Also if they are directly on top did you have the welding shop make flat plates.and how thick are they?Once again your cabin looks great! :D 
Title: Re: 24' x 32' Lake Cabin in Oklahoma
Post by: chad on August 29, 2010, 06:10:38 PM
Hi its me again,is your 2 by 12`s treated its hard to tell from thanx.
Title: Re: 24' x 32' Lake Cabin in Oklahoma
Post by: TexstarJim on August 31, 2010, 10:44:36 PM
Chad, I apologize for not noticing your questions before now.  If you will go back to the 2nd and 3rd page of this thread there are pictures that show how the beams were built and also attached to the 6x6 posts.  The 2x12's are not treated.

The beams were built in place and originally, I intended on sandwiching (2) strips of 1/2" plywood in between (2) 2x12's, but decided to use a single strip of plywood.  These beams were put to the test during the winter because I had the entire order of sheetrock delivered and stacked into one single pile inside the cabin.  I became concerned that that much weight would eventually cause the floor to sag and show a low spot later.

After getting the sheetrock hung and all off the floor, I was glad to see the floor remained level without any noticeable sagging where (90) sheets had set for several months.

With cooler weather on the way, I will be resuming my work and start taking pictures and updating this thread more often.  I sorta took off for the summer and I haven't been pulling this thread up too often.  Sorry for the delay in responding. 
Title: Re: 24' x 32' Lake Cabin in Oklahoma
Post by: chad on September 02, 2010, 07:39:54 PM
Hi,thanks for the response and help.the water leveler is great!I plan on building an A frame cabin on my land hopefully next year.Cant find too much info on building one but im going to make my posts and beam similar about 3 feet off the ground!If anyone has any further info on an A frame construction I would greatly appreciate it.Seems like the fad of the A frame died out in the 70s.Thanks for posting all of ur cabins and progress this site is great.I think im hooked [cool]
Title: Re: 24' x 32' Lake Cabin in Oklahoma
Post by: MountainDon on September 02, 2010, 10:15:56 PM
You could start a discussion topic on what the pros and cons of an A-frame design is. Lots of folks have thought about them; we did. But then we thought about a number of things we never did for a lot of reasons.
Title: Re: 24' x 32' Lake Cabin in Oklahoma
Post by: chad on September 03, 2010, 02:02:10 AM
Thanks for the advice mountain.
Title: Re: 24' x 32' Lake Cabin in Oklahoma
Post by: TexstarJim on September 26, 2010, 09:00:32 PM
 :) Hurray!!!!!!!!!  Cooler weather is here and I can get back to my exterior work.  I've been getting some interior work done on a day to day basis, but I want the exterior finished asap.  I've got a few pics of some of the interior work, but will wait on posting them until later in the week.  I'm just happy that the long hot summer is finally over.......... mostly.   :)
Title: Re: 24' x 32' Lake Cabin in Oklahoma
Post by: TexstarJim on October 02, 2010, 05:51:06 PM
I've been able to finish the exterior of the north end of the cabin (painting, trim for window and ac unit, and corners).  Weather has been perfect the last few days and I've been ready at daylight each day of work.

(https://img.photobucket.com/albums/v215/Stinkfinger/Newcabin141-1.jpg)

After finishing the north wall, I started on finishing the east side (the back of the cabin) and this morning was able to get the kitchen window installed and trimmed out.  I had quite a bit of painting to do on the east wall and got that done yesterday afternoon.

(https://img.photobucket.com/albums/v215/Stinkfinger/Newcabin156-1.jpg)

Tough to get a clear view of the back of the cabin for all the trees and it won't be until later in the Fall before the leaves disappear giving me an unobstructed shot of the East exterior wall.

Except for the front of the cabin, the West side, all exterior walls are finished and I can pull the scaffolding down.  I'll set the scaffolding up under the porch and finish out the front of the cabin.  I'll be picking up my soffit (1/4" plywood) on Monday and get them primed and painted for installation.  I still have to get the picture window trimmed out along with the entry door and the sliding patio glass door.  (2) floodlights to install plus a ceiling fan on the South end of the porch.

I may focus on finishing the ramp (walk-way out over the little creek on the North side of the cabin) since it is more subject to weather delays in case we get inclimate weather this Fall.  I just lack the railings on one side of the ramp and then railings on the deck (the main porch) and all the decking work will be completed.  Oh, I still need to install the hand-rails on the steps up to the ramp and along the stairs up on the main deck. 

Below is a picture of the house from last year.  Quite a difference and looking back on this project, I can't believe it has taken so long, but all in all, I've enjoyed the building of my own cabin.

(https://img.photobucket.com/albums/v215/Stinkfinger/Newcabin179.jpg)

I've been getting some work done inside during the hot weather and will post some pictures later.  Thanks for looking. ;D
Title: Re: 24' x 32' Lake Cabin in Oklahoma
Post by: Texas Tornado on December 10, 2010, 04:50:41 PM
Your place is just awesome!!!!
Title: Re: 24' x 32' Lake Cabin in Oklahoma
Post by: Texas Tornado on January 26, 2011, 04:19:33 AM
Any new pics of the kitchen area?
Irene
Title: Re: 24' x 32' Lake Cabin in Oklahoma
Post by: IronPatriotTN on June 24, 2011, 12:21:49 AM
Hey any new pics of the interior work??  c*
Title: Re: 24' x 32' Lake Cabin in Oklahoma
Post by: novicebuilder on August 08, 2012, 04:01:40 AM
How's the finished product look.  Some overall pics would be nice.  It seems that you wouldn't have this project done if your son and you didn't have such a good working relationship together.  It's really nice to have such awesome kids! d*