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Title: 30x40 Earth Berm Passive Solar in Maine
Post by: Bishopknight on October 13, 2008, 09:33:23 AM
This weekend I started building the footers for my 30' x 40' earth berm, passive solar, insulated slab house. I'll be the general contractor, doing this pay as I go. I'll be using recommended local tradesmen to save money.

http://countryplans.com/smf/index.php?topic=4569.0 (http://countryplans.com/smf/index.php?topic=4569.0)

I bought 10 acres and a John Deere backhoe this spring. I wasn't able to start this project sooner because this summer has been so rainy and its taken until now to prepare the housepad.  It was forest originally when I bought it. I built the driveway this summer. This pic was taken north facing. I brought in 3 loads of sand to build up the pad so far.

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I have a healthy respect for people who build foundations :)

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Form boards came next. I used 2x10's. I'm not worried about frost heave because again, it will be earth bermed.

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Leveling stakes and strings came next.

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Next is the plate compactor rental, sweat equity and another load of sand. Then the plumbing comes after that.
Title: Re: 30' x 40' Earth Berm Passive Solar House in Central Maine
Post by: glenn kangiser on October 13, 2008, 09:43:01 AM
Looks like you were busy with the backhoe.  Can you tell us how you are going to prevent the infiltration of water - French drains?  Umbrella?
Title: Re: 30' x 40' Earth Berm Passive Solar House in Central Maine
Post by: Bishopknight on October 13, 2008, 10:30:15 AM
Aren't backhoes great Glenn? :)

My drainage concerns were #1. I created a 30" ditch (future french drain ) around the perimeter which drains downhill. That will prevent the majority. Rock gravel with perforated drain pipe will round the perimeter and also be drained away as well. That should prevent the minority.

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Title: Re: 30' x 40' Earth Berm Passive Solar House in Central Maine
Post by: glenn kangiser on October 13, 2008, 10:35:49 AM
I've been doing backhoe work for a week now - much on a 40% slope-- it's fun. :)

Thanks for showing us what you are doing on this.
Title: Re: 30' x 40' Earth Berm Passive Solar House in Central Maine
Post by: Redoverfarm on October 13, 2008, 12:26:56 PM
Bishop I would say you will be OK building. Hey the original that you built is still standing. ;D
Title: Re: 30' x 40' Earth Berm Passive Solar House in Central Maine
Post by: Lorangerlife on October 13, 2008, 06:41:05 PM
Bishop,

I have to agree man... You did a bang up job with the 12x16.  Watching your build showed me that 12x16 could be a livable space while I build my house.

No doubts coming from my side of the fence that you will do as great a job on your house as you did on your cabin.

Andrew
Title: Re: 30' x 40' Earth Berm Passive Solar House in Central Maine
Post by: ScottA on October 13, 2008, 08:12:28 PM
What a great spot. I can't wait to see this one come together.  :)
Title: Re: 30' x 40' Earth Berm Passive Solar House in Central Maine
Post by: mvk on October 14, 2008, 05:39:07 AM
Congratulations, great start, thanks for the pictures. [cool]

Is the south side walk out? I was wondering about frost on that side.

What a great project, can't wait to see it. Your cabin came out great too.

MVK
Title: Re: 30' x 40' Earth Berm Passive Solar House in Central Maine
Post by: soomb on October 14, 2008, 05:41:37 PM
Will the subterranean portion be poured concrete, block or other?

A bold project. What was your learning process? read read read then do or some reading and see how it goes?

Title: Re: 30' x 40' Earth Berm Passive Solar House in Central Maine
Post by: glenn kangiser on October 14, 2008, 11:04:23 PM
I like read - do - read - do read- do.

After a while you can skip the read part and just do - do  d*
Title: Re: 30' x 40' Earth Berm Passive Solar House in Central Maine
Post by: soomb on October 14, 2008, 11:08:40 PM
or run them together and re-do re-do.  ;D
Title: Re: 30' x 40' Earth Berm Passive Solar House in Central Maine
Post by: Bishopknight on October 15, 2008, 08:21:37 AM
Thats pretty much the process soomb!  I try to keep things one-day-at-a-time when I build something I've never done before.

The walls haven't been decided yet, either ICF or surface-bonded concrete with exterior blueboard insulation.

These are my main reference materials incase anyone is interested.

Earth Sheltered Houses by Rob Roy
http://books.google.com/books?id=0gCQl64B1iAC&pg=PA20&lpg=PA20&dq=richard+guay+house+earth&source=web&ots=GcarPxWUG4&sig=5Flov1fmN3tdeCg72qoefrP0iKo&hl=en&sa=X&oi=book_result&resnum=1&ct=result#PPP1,M1 (http://books.google.com/books?id=0gCQl64B1iAC&pg=PA20&lpg=PA20&dq=richard+guay+house+earth&source=web&ots=GcarPxWUG4&sig=5Flov1fmN3tdeCg72qoefrP0iKo&hl=en&sa=X&oi=book_result&resnum=1&ct=result#PPP1,M1)

$50 and up Underground home by Mike Oehler
http://www.amazon.com/Fifty-Dollar-Underground-House-Book/dp/0442273118/ref=pd_bxgy_b_img_b (http://www.amazon.com/Fifty-Dollar-Underground-House-Book/dp/0442273118/ref=pd_bxgy_b_img_b)

Working with concrete
http://www.amazon.com/Working-Concrete-Rick-Arnold/dp/1561586145/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1224076563&sr=1-1 (http://www.amazon.com/Working-Concrete-Rick-Arnold/dp/1561586145/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1224076563&sr=1-1)

and this excellent website
http://www.ourcoolhouse.com/ (http://www.ourcoolhouse.com/)
Title: Re: 30' x 40' Earth Berm Passive Solar House in Central Maine
Post by: glenn kangiser on October 15, 2008, 09:04:13 AM
Good refs.
Title: Re: 30' x 40' Earth Berm Passive Solar House in Central Maine
Post by: soomb on October 15, 2008, 09:25:20 AM
ahh ourcoolhouse.com  love that site.  that is one smart guy.
Title: Re: 30' x 40' Earth Berm Passive Solar House in Central Maine
Post by: MaineRhino on October 20, 2008, 09:37:12 AM
Looks great Sean!
Title: Re: 30' x 40' Earth Berm Passive Solar House in Central Maine
Post by: Bishopknight on October 21, 2008, 02:45:37 PM
This past weekend I had to redo the forms because the sand wasn't high enough, the south east corner did not have a wide enough drainage skirt and I didn't like the forms zig zagging in and out ( would have been hard to lay in the XPS foam board). I also had a dump truck fall into my driveway ditch saturday morning while delivering another load of sand. He tried blaming the road material and not the fact he was 4' from center.

I completed the house plan yesterday and drew the supply and DWV diagram today. I'm meeting with the plumbing inspector to go over them this weekend. The first draft house plan is below.

Lastly, I had a really hard time finding Dow Blueboard High Load 40(psi) for the slab footers. I located some from a supplier in Portland, Maine. They are 2'x8' - 2" thick for $14 each.  I really lucked out finding them, 2 other places wouldn't sell them unless I bought 98 at a time.  They only had 16 left and I only needed 16.5 so I'm going to just cut some 2" , 25 psi dow blueboard (from home depot) into 1' x 2' sizes and space them in between the 8' pieces on the 30' side.

Btw, I found out there is a big difference between EPS and XPS Styrofoam. One is expanded which can get wet (EPS) and the other is extruded which stays dry (XPS). Rob Roy recommends XPS for all under slab insulation because once it becomes wet, it loses much of its insulated value.

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Title: Re: 30' x 40' Earth Berm Passive Solar House in Central Maine
Post by: Bishopknight on October 27, 2008, 08:47:20 AM
Monday update:

I bought 2 more loads of sand to build up the front of the pad foundation and also get the inner pad about the right height. Then picked up the XPS insulation for the slab foundation and built the formboard for the front, leveled and spiked it.

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Next I used a 26" board to go around the perimeter and roughly level the footer base by hand and rake. Then rented a plate compactor and went to work. Btw, a 180 lb wacker is not easy to lift on/off a trailer , up a pad and over a footer wall by yourself!

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Yesterday, In my 3d design software, I used the dimensions ruler to tell me how far apart each plumbing device was. I ran measured string lines and then started digging and laying pipe. I made absolute sure the pipe dropped 1/4" per foot. Laying the DWV (drain, waste, vent) was pretty fun. Especially when its compacted sand, not hardpan clay! Also the familiarity with having done the plumbing myself in the little cabin made it easier. 

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Here is the vent pipe for the woodstove
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The plumbing for the bathroom was tricky, after the foundation is poured, I'll remove this wooden form box to give me more space approximating the p-trap for the shower. that slanted pipe is the cleanout and the other 3" beside it is for a future bathroom if I decide to build a second floor.

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This is how it looks now.

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Title: Re: 30' x 40' Earth Berm Passive Solar House in Central Maine
Post by: glenn kangiser on October 27, 2008, 09:12:13 AM
Hey BK thanks for the update.  Looks like you have been busy.  You know about wrappiing the pipes where they come through the slab w/cardboard or other wrap to keep the concrete from gripping and possibly breaking them?
Title: Re: 30' x 40' Earth Berm Passive Solar House in Central Maine
Post by: Bishopknight on October 27, 2008, 09:21:58 AM
No, I didn't know that, thanks Glenn! I'll make sure I wrap the exposed PVC.

Also, I've been emailing the author of "Earth-Sheltered Houses", Rob Roy and hes been very helpful answering my questions. Most recently regarding whether a vapor barrier was needed in addition to the XPS foam insulation. He said not in his view, that without the extruded, you would need the vapor barrier to slow the rapid set of the concrete. That basically the extruded does the same thing.
Title: Re: 30' x 40' Earth Berm Passive Solar House in Central Maine
Post by: Mike 870 on October 27, 2008, 09:33:27 AM
Awesome project, I can't wait to see how it progresses.  I found this site when I was trying to figure out how to do a foundation and septic.  It might help, it's might not.  It's not for your region, but it might be good for some pointers.  http://www.eco-nomic.com/septic.htm

Title: Re: 30' x 40' Earth Berm Passive Solar House in Central Maine
Post by: glenn kangiser on October 27, 2008, 09:33:57 AM
Great - you can push the cardboard down or remove it after the concrete sets and caulk around them to the concrete if you want.  Some used to grout with mortar also but most settling and change was done then.

You can cut the pipes for the tub - shower or underslab things and put about a 12" square or as needed box of sand there about 1/2 inch below grade and finish the concrete directly over it to prevent obstacles when finishing.  Tap with a hammer later and break the thin finished concrete off and install the underfloor traps etc to the exact needed spot then grout the hole in if necessary.
Title: Re: 30' x 40' Earth Berm Passive Solar House in Central Maine
Post by: Bishopknight on October 28, 2008, 11:36:07 AM
Thanks Glenn, I will probably do that. Good thinking. That way when we're screeding the concrete, I dont have to worry about it filling that box. Your right, just set it lower than the other forms, cover and forget it ( for now )  :D

The concrete pour is tentatively dated for Sat Nov 8th, weather permitting. I still have alot left to do before its ready to pour. Hopefully no setbacks occur d*

This is the coming weekends task list:

Lowes list
•   20 pieces of ½" 10' rebar
•   29 sheets of 4' x 8' reinforced rebar grid
•   60 small Bricks
•   2x4's ( 10' )  9x

Finalizing Formwork
•   Lay woodstove air exchange vent in foundation
•   Lay well water line in foundation
•   Wrap cardboard around pipes
•   Cover the shower box with wood
•   Cut & lay styrofoam insulation
•   Lay, bend, cut & tie rebar on top of halved bricks
•   Measure, drive stakes and nail screed dividers every 10'
•   Clean chainsaw, then remove line nails & cut off stake tops

Pour Prep
•   Inflate/fix wheel barrow tires
•   Bring rakes/shovels down to site
•   Fill  up 3 Gal containers with water
•   Cut keyway boards and oil them
•   Compact sand up against outer forms
•   Attach forks to loader, bring 2 bales of hay over for post-pour insulation

Title: Re: 30' x 40' Earth Berm Passive Solar House in Central Maine
Post by: glenn kangiser on October 28, 2008, 08:40:16 PM
Somebody showed me years ago on one of a few hundred slabs I poured.  Still a couple ideas remain in this dusty old brain... [crz]
Title: Re: 30' x 40' Earth Berm Passive Solar House in Western Maine
Post by: Bishopknight on October 31, 2008, 09:33:19 AM
My new goal for this project is to make as much of it completely transparent to encourage others who may be considering building this type of house.

Foundation costs so far:

5 loads of sand = $500
Footer boards = $200
Styrofoam = $900
Plate Compactor Rental = $50
PVC Plumbing pipe, vent, well line = $150
Diesel for backhoe = $50
Rebar/wiremesh = $250
Concrete estimate = $2000
Labor estimate for pour = $600-900
So right there, the foundation will cost roughly $4700-$5000. I knew this part would be expensive but I can live with that. 

Also, I've been receiving alot of encouragement and I think i want to go up a story. The most expensive parts of a house are the foundation and roof so I figure adding a 2nd floor ( which could be finished later ) isnt such a bad idea. So I've revised my houseplans. Thankfully, I left room on the old floor plan for a stairway just incase. I'm thinking 4/12 pitch metal roof to shed the snow using off-site built trusses ( most likely ). I've heard from many people that off-site trusses are slightly more expensive than if you were to build them yourself but save you alot of time and are most likely stronger than if you built them yourself. Plus I can K-I-S-S and build boxes as I go up, then have the trusses delivered and lifted with a crane up onto the roof.

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Title: Re: 30' x 40' Earth Berm Passive Solar House in Western Maine
Post by: Mike 870 on October 31, 2008, 10:39:02 AM
Bishop,

Did you run try using the heed software as you came up with your design?  I'm curious as to how that was to work with and if it was easy to figure out how to use. 

Did you calculate all your glass area/overhang, etc or just kind of go with a common sense design?  If so were the calculations complicated or pretty straight forward?

I had this scheme in my head to make adjustable window overhangs so I could optimize by season.  I was thinking I would have them on sliders to move from side to side, and hinges to fold up or down.

I thought I could add this to your references if you haven't already seen it.  I think I found it linked off this site actually.    http://www.builditsolar.com/Tools/tools.htm



Title: Re: 30' x 40' Earth Berm Passive Solar House in Western Maine
Post by: Squirl on October 31, 2008, 11:47:16 AM
I like the design.  I have read a lot about passive solar and earth berming.  I tried to design something similar.  Do you have to add windows to the rear bedroom for the fire code?  I never could reconsile some of the earth ship designs I have looked at with that part of the code.
Title: Re: 30' x 40' Earth Berm Passive Solar House in Western Maine
Post by: Bishopknight on October 31, 2008, 12:30:12 PM
Mike,

I downloaded HEED and after about a 30 minute learning curve / manual reading, I figured it out. You have to go out and download the closest EPW ( Energy Power Weather ) data file for your location for it to work. I created several projects and experimented with various window sizes, roof depth offsets and came up with the below diagram which I have screenshotted.

2 ft depth overhang on front windows. 2x4 framing with 1" polystyrene exterior facade to provide air breaks. 11 windows in front, each 3'3" x 6'3", 2 windows on the east/west and 1 in the rear. This gave me the most efficient energy profile for my layout. Its a neat program, thanks for referring me to it, I recommend it.

Squirl,

Since this is a small rural town, there is no building code but if there was, there would be only one room that would violate EGRESS code, the ground floor northwest room. So if necessary, I would convert that into a storage room.


Title: Re: 30' x 40' Earth Berm Passive Solar House in Western Maine
Post by: Bishopknight on November 03, 2008, 10:38:00 AM
Monday Update:

Got the plumbing covered up and wrapped with cardboard

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Then leveled/tapered the sand pad and laid out the polystyrene foam insulation

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Then dug the recessed holes for a support column and the fireplace

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My friend told me a trick for bending rebar, just stick it in the bucket holes and pull.

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Eric came down and helped me with the rebar. I tied while he layed out the mesh.

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Title: Re: 30' x 40' Earth Berm Passive Solar House in Western Maine
Post by: Mike 870 on November 03, 2008, 12:28:33 PM
I'm glad that worked out for you.  Looks like you made some good progress this weekend.  I can't wait to see it come together.
Title: Re: 30' x 40' Earth Berm Passive Solar House in Western Maine
Post by: MaineRhino on November 03, 2008, 01:30:15 PM
That looks great Sean, let's just hope the moose don't get too curious and walk over that insulation board! d*
Title: Re: 30' x 40' Earth Berm Passive Solar House in Western Maine
Post by: glenn kangiser on November 04, 2008, 12:48:42 AM
 [cool]
Title: Re: 30' x 40' Earth Berm Passive Solar House in Western Maine
Post by: Bishopknight on November 05, 2008, 04:43:33 PM
I've been trying to get an estimate of what it will cost to build/frame the first floor since its the next task ahead.

Its quite possible the project will be over/under $10,000 for foundation and first floor done. I'm estimating it will be another $10,000 to get the 2nd floor on, trusses purchased/raised and metal roof installed. I'm pretty happy with that overall price though for a 2200 sq ft house shell.  That would put me in the $9 per square ft range.  It could be as high as $25,000 for the whole shell but we'll see. That would still put me in the low $11 per sq ft range.

On a personal note, I must say how easy things have been by taking one thing at a time. I don't try to look too far ahead on a project like this. Doing so just overwhelms me. I am also trying to keep the structure strong and simple. Account for variances in dead loads with regard to the engineering of the weight bearing joists and like. Which means no fancy cantilevered support walls. Just a strong column from floor to attic with minimal spans.

I am stupified now at the cost of certain houses, realizing what I could build them for myself. Plus the amount of interest paid (to the banksters) on top of the overpriced houses never sat right with me. One should not have to work half a lifetime to afford a 'shelter'. That's what these are. Most of them composed of chipboard panel and vinyl siding. With nary a soul to them. Sure my house is in rural property, far from high paying work, but in tradeoff I paid 10 cents on the dollar to live without the convienence of a gas station at the end of my street, or a mcdonalds a mile away. Many rural people make the same as folk in the overpriced suburbs, but pay far less in living costs. Granted, I may have to commute further for work or food but with lower expenses and a garden, far more infrequently. It is also far more fulfilling applying nearly your full paycheck to a permanent, fully paid for, no-debt sustained, residence.

At 31, I wish I had realized this sooner.

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Title: Re: 30' x 40' Earth Berm Passive Solar House in Western Maine
Post by: soomb on November 05, 2008, 05:20:19 PM
Quote from: Bishopknight on November 05, 2008, 04:43:33 PM


I am stupified now at the cost of certain houses, realizing what I could build them for myself. Plus the amount of interest paid (to the banksters) on top of the overpriced houses never sat right with me. One should not have to work half a lifetime to afford a 'shelter'. That's what these are. Most of them composed of chipboard panel and vinyl siding. With nary a soul to them. Sure my house is in rural property, far from high paying work, but in tradeoff I paid 10 cents on the dollar to live without the convienence of a gas station at the end of my street, or a mcdonalds a mile away. Many rural people make the same as folk in the overpriced suburbs, but pay far less in living costs. Granted, I may have to commute further for work or fastfood but with lower expenses, far more infrequently. It is also far more fulfilling applying nearly your full paycheck to a permanent, fully paid for, no-debt sustained, residence.

At 31, I wish I had realized this sooner.

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But you realized it.  I am 39 and have have been working toward the same conclusion.  It took me longer.  But this site has taken a great deal of the fear away as I have seen people like you and others, who are doing or have done it, with a well crafted finished product.

Best of luck.
Title: Re: 30' x 40' Earth Berm Passive Solar House in Western Maine
Post by: glenn kangiser on November 05, 2008, 10:37:11 PM
BK, I have a question regarding the column and the fireplace.  I see it looks like you are putting foamboard in the footing even in the fireplace and column load area.  Since it is a point load and not so much a spread load as a continuous footing would have, have you checked the foam to see if it's bearing capacity is sufficient for the load on it?  Or would you want to remove it in those sections. 

I don't know - maybe it's fine -- just wondering if it is calculated.
Title: Re: 30' x 40' Earth Berm Passive Solar House in Western Maine
Post by: Bishopknight on November 06, 2008, 09:22:51 AM
Thanks Soomb :)

Glenn,

Good point, its only 25psi insulation there. Maybe I should remove it in the fireplace and column footings altogether since I don't have extra 40 psi insulation. Granted, I could steal a little here and there from the footings if I wanted to.

Your thoughts?

Either way I should have a vapor barrier where any concrete meets sand because of moisture absorption.
Title: Re: 30' x 40' Earth Berm Passive Solar House in Western Maine
Post by: glenn kangiser on November 06, 2008, 09:52:53 AM
A piece of 6 mil plastic would be fine.  The foam will crush and allow breaking of the concrete in my opinion.
Title: Re: 30' x 40' Earth Berm Passive Solar House in Western Maine
Post by: Bishopknight on November 08, 2008, 10:13:15 PM
Did a few prep things friday and poured the 20 yards of concrete this morning. Hired a professional crew to do it. Everything went great. It was 60 degrees out thankfully. Only a little misty but we added calcium to speed up the curing.

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They made fun of me for doing the "creme" (pictured below). That's where you shake the top of the "crete" to push the rocks down and make it smooth on top. Obviously I helped the entire time but when I got tired, I did the "creme".  ;D

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Of course, I felt obligated to feed the troops and apologized for hotdogs not being very healthy, to which they replied, "Do any of us look healthy to you?" LOL

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And here is the finished product. I was exhausted and soaked and the crew told me my boots will be ruined in 2 weeks because of the concrete seeping into the linings. You can see the wooden keyways I installed which will secure the concrete block to the slab later.

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Title: Re: 30' x 40' Earth Berm Passive Solar House in Western Maine
Post by: glenn kangiser on November 08, 2008, 10:43:01 PM
Good job, BK even if you did skip a bit of the hard part. :)

Good choice on getting pro help with the concrete.  It's  a one chance deal.
Title: Re: 30' x 40' Earth Berm Passive Solar House in Western Maine
Post by: Redoverfarm on November 09, 2008, 08:00:50 AM
Looking good.  A wise move for the concrete.  Unlike alot of other parts of the building process you only get one shot at the concrete.  When it's ready it's ready.  Only thing that comes close to concrete is PVC when it's glued and not right you can't take it apart and adjust.
Title: Re: 30' x 40' Earth Berm Passive Solar House in Western Maine
Post by: soomb on November 09, 2008, 10:07:09 AM
Wonderful.  Very inspirational.  it is great fun to watch you progress.
Title: Re: 30' x 40' Earth Berm Passive Solar House in Western Maine
Post by: Bishopknight on November 17, 2008, 07:41:32 AM
Monday Update:

I'm still drying out from this weekend. It was horribly wet and miserable to work in.

I ordered the concrete block for the back berm wall this weekend. I drove up friday morning to meet the the delivery truck. They were kind enough to gently place them on the slab. After that, I stripped off half the forms and got 2 blocks set before It was too dark to see.

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Saturday morning, I had some help arrive. He helped me lay the first course to the slab. I mixed mortar for runar as he leveled the block and I mixed the crete and filled the block and keyways working behind him.  This was the rainiest day of them all. I'm glad I got some help for this step, it was crucial to have a good first course. We covered all the block overnight with tarps/poly.

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Sunday, the rain wasn't as bad. The first course had set strong enough overnight for me to start laying block.

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I used the backhoe and forks to go grab 2 bushels of hay from my neighbors field. I used a shovel to shred it apart and lay hay around the foundation perimeter. It will protect it from frostheave.

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The sun finally came out so I took a pic. You can see all the saved footer boards I'm having mother nature wash off for me.

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I was really tired, sore and hungry at this point so I called it quits at 4pm on sunday.

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Here's what it looks like now.

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Title: Re: 30' x 40' Earth Berm Passive Solar House in Western Maine
Post by: apaknad on November 17, 2008, 08:50:41 AM
nice work and progress BK, keep at it w/no rest. you are young so quit b------- and get back to work!!! c*
Title: Re: 30' x 40' Earth Berm Passive Solar House in Western Maine
Post by: apaknad on November 17, 2008, 08:56:32 AM
maine reminds me of michigan farther up north. pine trees and cool weather. no ocean but great lakes. pretty area but i hear taxes are high(yea, like they're low in mich.).
Title: Re: 30' x 40' Earth Berm Passive Solar House in Western Maine
Post by: Mike 870 on November 17, 2008, 10:32:41 AM
Nice, I was looking forward to reading your update all weekend.  How much as all that block if you don't mind me asking?

Title: Re: 30' x 40' Earth Berm Passive Solar House in Western Maine
Post by: glenn kangiser on November 17, 2008, 11:10:10 AM
Looks good, BK.  Are you mortaring all joints the coming back to grout the walls in later?  Rebar in the block horizontal and vertical?  That will be retaining wall and could have a lot of force against it.
Title: Re: 30' x 40' Earth Berm Passive Solar House in Western Maine
Post by: Bishopknight on November 17, 2008, 12:33:29 PM
Thanks guys.

The block order came to $1609. $165 of that is pallet charge, which I'll bring back. Delivery guy said it was a 75 ton load. Driveway held up good though.

No vertical rebar Glenn. Just a cemented keyway to 'lock' the first course to the slab. Surface bonded 'structural skin' cement ( reinforced with 1/2" fiberglass ) for both sides. And a top course of channel block filled with horizontal rebar, crete and anchor bolts.  This is per Rob Roys instructions in his book, Earth Sheltered Homes. I took a screenshot of why dry-stack surface bonded cement construction is so strong.

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With 8" wide block, I would need reinforcing pillasters but with the 12" block, I should have no worries. To a lesser degree, there are also 3 interior walls bracing the middle.

Looking ahead to the coming weeks, finishing the block wall next weekend is my goal. After that, 2x6 framing will begin, weather permitting.



Title: Re: 30' x 40' Earth Berm Passive Solar House in Western Maine
Post by: glenn kangiser on November 17, 2008, 01:00:37 PM
The reinforced surface bonding will take care of a lot of issues.  I don't see a problem with that.
Title: Re: 30' x 40' Earth Berm Passive Solar House in Western Maine
Post by: Bishopknight on November 17, 2008, 01:47:03 PM
I didn't think you would since you're into alternative building methods. I just wanted to mention it though because its unconventional. Plus I had a union block mason curiously drive up to my house this weekend acting very shocked I wasn't mortaring the block.

Also, the person I hired saturday has never done a dry stack surface bonded cement wall either.  I'm going with Rob Roys word and my common sense on this one.

On a side note about the 30' ft long 5/12 pitch premade trusses, Hammond Lumber just called me back with an estimate. $109 per truss. I would need 21 in all, ( spaced 24" apart over 40 ft ). With free delivery and tax, it would come to $2403 for everything.

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Title: Re: 30' x 40' Earth Berm Passive Solar House in Western Maine
Post by: soomb on November 17, 2008, 07:45:46 PM
where did you get (read: where can I get) information on the dry stack with surface reinforcement?
Title: Re: 30' x 40' Earth Berm Passive Solar House in Western Maine
Post by: MountainDon on November 17, 2008, 07:54:08 PM
Member N74TG used dry stack and SBC (surface bonding cement). You could try a forum search for dry stack, N74TG, SBC.....

Here's a short link, with his blog link included in his signature line.

http://countryplans.com/smf/index.php?topic=4345.0 (http://countryplans.com/smf/index.php?topic=4345.0)

Also...

http://www.drystacked.com/ (http://www.drystacked.com/)

http://www.thenaturalhome.com/drystackblock.htm (http://www.thenaturalhome.com/drystackblock.htm)

Title: Re: 30' x 40' Earth Berm Passive Solar House in Western Maine
Post by: Bishopknight on November 17, 2008, 09:56:41 PM
Soomb,

Here is the exact link to Tony's blog that MountainDon is talking about:

http://n74tg.blogspot.com/2007/12/surface-bonding-cement-final-thoughts.html

Here is another angle of the current progress

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Title: Re: 30' x 40' Earth Berm Passive Solar House in Western Maine
Post by: PA-Builder on November 18, 2008, 08:59:08 PM
Your walls are looking good!  Are those blocks specifically designed for surface bonding ?  It look like you are using 10" blocks ... are you aware that there are L corner blocks available so that you keep the proper 8"/16" spacing after turning corners??? Might make the project a little easier.
Title: Re: 30' x 40' Earth Berm Passive Solar House in Western Maine
Post by: Bishopknight on November 19, 2008, 09:22:13 AM
Thanks PA,

They're 12" block. Its hard to tell in the pics. Personally, I would never touch 10", I heard they're hell to work with. I planned the backcourse for ease by alternating the corner blocks 90 degrees. I'll have a small opening for the root cellar in the back but I'll use bond beam block and rebar to provide overhead support for that doorway.

My dad said I should not begin framing until spring, because of snow/rain rotting the untreated framing. I'm more of an optimist. I say lets go for it! I don't think it will bother it that much for only 3 months being outside. Others thoughts?

Soon there may be pictures of a snow shoveled slab with framing going up. I don't know why but I'm kind of looking forward to accepting the challenge of working through whatever winter throws at me. I just want this thing built!
Title: Re: 30' x 40' Earth Berm Passive Solar House in Western Maine
Post by: Mike 870 on November 19, 2008, 09:50:48 AM
Are you worried about your slab frost heaving if you don't frame?  Since you're not going to get to grade before winter, you're going to have more water passing under there than normal.  Spending a lot of time in Maine, I know the ground is just filled with rocks (boulders) also.  I guess even if you do frame that could still be an issue until you start heating the place.
Title: Re: 30' x 40' Earth Berm Passive Solar House in Western Maine
Post by: glenn kangiser on November 19, 2008, 10:25:53 AM
In general framing that is not on the ground is OK as long as it can drain and dry off with the exception of OSB and engineered wood products which swell and deteriorate. 

Rot starts from fungus sending tendrils out into the soil and drawing water to the inside for it to work the wood over with.  If you look at fences and old untreated houses you will see that if off the ground they can last for years.
Title: Re: 30' x 40' Earth Berm Passive Solar House in Western Maine
Post by: John Raabe on November 19, 2008, 11:11:14 AM
Here in the wet Pacific NW buildings are framed up at any time of the year. Sure there is some wetting but if you can get the roof up and out of the weather in a few months (or weeks!) it won't be long enough to the critters to get a foothold.

Framing lumber is usually not a concern but check with your lumber supplier to see what the best subflooring material would be for your exposure conditions. There are subfloor products that are designed for wet exposure installations (and others that are not!)
Title: Re: 30' x 40' Earth Berm Passive Solar House in Western Maine
Post by: Bishopknight on November 19, 2008, 11:50:29 AM
Hey Mike,

Not particularly worried about frost heaving. The slab is insulated and I've placed 2 ft of hay around the perimeter. I'm going to put even more hay down this weekend just in case. I also have a pretty good sized sandpad under the slab, which should help as well.

Thanks John,

I checked with my lumber distributor and they recommended either 3/4 CDX ( not a T&G ) , 3/4 PT plywood or a 3/4 plywood called Advantech which is T&G. The advantech is $10 cheaper than the first 2 ( its $23.97 per sheet). I could also help protect it with some mismatched paint at home depot and then tarp it if I only get up to the 1st floor ceiling/2nd subfloor done.

Glenn,

You bring up a good point, with the PT sills down and sealed, water may not be able to run off easily but Its not going to stop me. I'm thinking for the interior wall sill plates, I'll just use untreated wood, even with the threat of standing water. I've heard its good to limit the use of PT wood inside a house as much as possible. I'm also going with regular plywood for the sheathing, not Oriented Strand Board like on the 12x16 cabin.

If I have any of this wrong, please let me know. Thanks for all the advice.
Title: Re: 30' x 40' Earth Berm Passive Solar House in Western Maine
Post by: MountainDon on November 19, 2008, 12:01:11 PM
A few of our member builders have used Advantech and they all have reported nothing but positive related stories. I would have used it if it had been available to me. I would not want to use sheeting that was not T&G.

manufacturer's website...

http://www.huberwood.com/main.aspx?pagename=advantechflooring (http://www.huberwood.com/main.aspx?pagename=advantechflooring)
Title: Re: 30' x 40' Earth Berm Passive Solar House in Western Maine
Post by: PA-Builder on November 19, 2008, 03:30:31 PM
I used 3/4" T&G Advantech for both floor levels in my cabin.

I also used 1/2" square edge Advantech for exterior sheathing (covered with steel corrugated siding) and roof sheathing (covered with fiberglass shingles).

You don't want my opinion on Advantech because I sound like a Huber Corp. salesman.  Honestly, I believe Advantech is one of the BEST sheathing/OSB products on the market.  My floors were exposed to rain for approximately 3 months with absolutely no adverse effects.  My sidewalls were exposed from October to April with partial Tyvec (some blew off) covering...also with no adverse effects.

Title: Re: 30' x 40' Earth Berm Passive Solar House in Western Maine
Post by: Redoverfarm on November 19, 2008, 04:55:57 PM
Bishopknight I used Advantex on my cabin which was open for approximately 8 months. Snow stayed on it for about 3 months of that time.  Can't say anything bad about that product.  There is another product which has come about which is also waterproof subfloor, 3/4" TG with a smoother surface which alot of builders are starting to use.  It is called Shurfloor.  It is available in this area but maybe not in the west.

If you go with either it is not necessary to paint or cover and I am not sure what that would do to the warranty. 

Here is a discussion of Advantex vs. OSB by another member

http://countryplans.com/smf/index.php?topic=5425.msg69077#msg69077 
Title: Re: 30' x 40' Earth Berm Passive Solar House in Western Maine
Post by: Bishopknight on November 24, 2008, 09:59:45 AM
Some new pics from Saturday and Sunday. 17 - 25 degrees all weekend, below zero with windchill.

We finished leveling, shimming & dry stacking the berm wall saturday.  I used a ripsaw with a 7.25" diamond blade wheel to cut the concrete block. It did a great job.
For the root cellar opening, I used 3 course of bond beam block with rebar and concrete inside it. I also applied a half bag of SBC structural skin to one corner.

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Sunday we measured and ran the chalk lines for the south facing wall and sides. Then anchored the PT sill to the slab via the anchor bolts and cut off the tips with a 4" metal grinder blade. We decided to frame the whole front as one single side. I'll use my chains and the backhoe to lift up the wall. It probably already weighs about 800 lbs.

Camera died around 2pm. We got the whole front framed by sundown. Later in the week I'll sheath it and start on the next walls. I still have to skin the block wall and rebar and cement the top bond beam block course. I'm going to have a yard of concrete delivered for that.

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Title: Re: 30' x 40' Earth Berm Passive Solar House in Western Maine
Post by: glenn kangiser on November 24, 2008, 10:48:20 AM
BK, you're an animal to work out in that weather.... My hat's off to you ....and my Tuque is on... :)

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Title: Re: 30' x 40' Earth Berm Passive Solar House in Western Maine
Post by: Bishopknight on November 24, 2008, 06:00:55 PM
Thanks Glenn,

Runar, the guy helping me is the animal. Don't get me wrong, I'm going full tilt, pushing myself. This experience is toughening me for sure. My friend Eric got him to help me because he said hes the strongest and toughest guy he knows in construction. I liken Runar to a workout coach, very demanding. I'm paying him but he's bossing me around, lol! I'm learning alot though.  Its good also because we're getting things done at a breakneck pace.

On another note:

I've been going over some structural spans for the 2nd floor and they worry me. Runar suggested a single 40' beam running down the center, allowing all overhead joists to span around 15'. I would have to buy one strong beam and support it roughly every 8 - 12' with a column. Being a DIY'er, I didn't plan ahead and properly support the areas where those potential support columns would be. The concrete is only 2'5" - 3" in some areas ( with mesh ) and 25 psi foam underneath it ( which might compress ). I am thinking about erring on the side of caution and going back to my 1 story plans.

Not only that but just looking at other peoples plans (i.e. seeing how long it takes). I'd like to finish this house next year with the option of moving into it if the economy continues to worsen.

Also going back to my 1 story plan would significantly lessen my building costs. The windows alone are very expensive ( anderson 400's ) but I feel thats one area you shouldn't skimp on. Lastly, I could get the trusses for < $3000 and get it shelled by January possibly.

I have some thinking to do. I'm going to sleep on it.
Title: Re: 30' x 40' Earth Berm Passive Solar House in Western Maine
Post by: glenn kangiser on November 24, 2008, 10:12:05 PM
You can cut the floor and add the footings if you really want them - Diamond Blade in a Skilsaw to score about and inch then break it out and do it but the single story would get you going sooner.

The trusses will be engineered to support as you need them.
Title: Re: 30' x 40' Earth Berm Passive Solar House in Western Maine
Post by: glenn kangiser on November 25, 2008, 12:28:50 PM
No problem.  It is common on commercial buildings to have the column separate from the slab footing.  Usually done before but the end result is the same.
Title: Re: 30' x 40' Earth Berm Passive Solar House in Western Maine
Post by: Bishopknight on November 26, 2008, 03:13:27 PM
I'm still going back and forth on 1 and 2 story. I played around with 3d studio architect today and came up with a nice layout for the 1 story.

Notice the usage of scissor trusses to give me a cathedral feel inside. Scissor trusses don't need any support column bracing either. Wide open floor plan in otherwords.

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Title: Re: 30' x 40' Earth Berm Passive Solar House in Western Maine
Post by: glenn kangiser on November 26, 2008, 03:46:45 PM
I made a note in the other thread about using part attic trusses an and steepening the slope.  Just thinking outloud.
Title: Re: 30' x 40' Earth Berm Passive Solar House in Western Maine
Post by: apaknad on November 26, 2008, 11:41:54 PM
bk, also look into a storage truss. cheaper than an attic truss and does almost the same thing. used them in my two story garage and saved about $75 per.
Title: Re: 30' x 40' Earth Berm Passive Solar House in Western Maine
Post by: Redoverfarm on November 27, 2008, 07:51:49 AM
BK as any builder will tell you that you get more bang for your buck on a two story.  double your sf w/o that additional foundation and the roof you have to do anyway.  Without getting into the money pit aspects you could always build the 2nd story and then finish the gound floor to live in and give yourself job security on the 2nd floor for a later date.
Title: Re: 30' x 40' Earth Berm Passive Solar House in Western Maine
Post by: ListerD on November 27, 2008, 09:48:53 AM
Awesome job! Inspiring for sure.

Quick question: Are you infilling the block with something (either for thermal mass or insulation)? We're planning on Dry stack with SBC as well and will most likely be infilling the block with sand.

Also I don't see any rebar to tie the block wall to the slab. Is it just not pictured or are you relying solely on the bottom mortar line to tie the wall to the slab? Seems like there'd be a fair amount of pressure on that wall once you back fill.
Title: Re: 30' x 40' Earth Berm Passive Solar House in Western Maine
Post by: glenn kangiser on November 27, 2008, 01:22:25 PM
He is using fiberglass reinforced parging on both sides of the 12" wide block as I recall.  I'd want a thick layer of well reinforced parging to extend below the top the edge of the slab I think.
Title: Re: 30' x 40' Earth Berm Passive Solar House in Western Maine
Post by: Bishopknight on November 27, 2008, 07:28:00 PM
Hi Lister,

I'm using a cemented keyway to lock the first mortared course to the slab. Its easier  than rebar and doesnt require filling the courses with cement.

I'm currently not infilling the block wall with sand. The sand I was going to use is frozen now and I'm happy with the amount of thermal mass I already have with the blocks.

Thanksgiving Update:

This morning I sheathed the framed front wall on the ground. I made sure to cover the top plates with the shealthing and also leave an inch for the bottom sill plate as well.

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Then I rigged up the backhoe to hoist it up when Runar gets here tommorrow.

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Lastly I spent about 2 hrs applying 1 bag of SBC to the west wall corner and back. It is not as easy as I thought it was going to be! Mixing it is 3x as hard as concrete and getting the perfect consistency where it doesnt run down the wall yet still glide easily is an artform. Its definitely a wrist workout. You also lose some off your trowel so I now use a board underneath to catch the drops and put them back in the tray.  At $17 a bag, you want to save any drips.

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Title: Re: 30' x 40' Earth Berm Passive Solar House in Western Maine
Post by: Redoverfarm on November 27, 2008, 08:26:56 PM
BK I have never done what you are doing but I have done a lot of parging and it seems to be the equivalent in the process.  I have found that if you use a float trial 12-14" X 6" and start at the bottom at a 45 deg angle laying the mortar until it feathers out.  Then reload and make a second pass adjacent to the first.  Then re-load again and take the first a little higher then the other section alternating as you progress to the top.  That blends the section together rather than going all the way up at one time.  Seems to bond to each other better and the edges do not dry.  Occassionaly I will start at the bottom of each run loaded but not at the same angle to lay a skim over and smooth out what you previously done.  It is easier if you have a regular trowel to load it onto the float off of a square piece of ply.  I use a metal 55 gal lid.

With mortar in warmer weather you have to dampen the block or the block will suction the water out of the mortar leaving a real rough texture which does not bond well.  But from the looks of you rain soaked wall and the drop in temps you shouldn't have that problem. 

What is the recommended thickness of the application?
Title: Re: 30' x 40' Earth Berm Passive Solar House in Western Maine
Post by: glenn kangiser on November 27, 2008, 09:39:55 PM
I use a hawk, BK working similar to what John mentioned.  I load it pretty full and even use it to start at the bottom tipping it toward the wall as I go up- using it as an applicator or applying with a swimming pool trowel- pushing an appropriate amount off of the hawk as needed.  I like it as it is flexible and has rounded ends to not leave marks as bad.  I run the hawk under the trowel as I work, fairly tight against the wall to catch spills.

I found that one of the big mud mixers maybe about 8 inches round or rectangular (like for powdered gypsum drywall mud) in a 1/2 inch heavy duty drill mixes better in a tub than it does using a cement mixer and having all of the mess to clean all of the time.  Much faster and mixes the fibers better too.  I use a Makita 1/2 to power it.
Title: Re: 30' x 40' Earth Berm Passive Solar House in Western Maine
Post by: Bishopknight on November 28, 2008, 06:15:27 PM
I'll try that tommorrow Glenn and John. Thanks.

We got the main wall raised today. The backhoe did a great job lifting it.  I decided to go one story. Reason being, I would rather build a 2 story on waterfront property, then rent this house out for income in the future if I have kids someday. This whole house will cost between $12,500 - $15,000 to frame/shell it and get it out of the elements.  Thats includes my costs of hiring Runar and the pour crew. 

It snowed 2" today, which means everything slowed down considerably. The ice on the slab became slippery with the snow flake on top. I fell once from tripping over an anchor bolt and almost a few times on the ice. Runar hit his thumb a few times with the hammer so I heard the usual swears ;D

I decided to just sheath the east/west walls for now since I've going to buy Anderson 400 used/like new condition windows on craigslist for a quarter of the price retail. Until I know the rough openings, its better to hold off. I already got 3 on craigslist last week for the front that saved me 50% off home depots price. They are 6'x3' casement Anderson 400s. High SHGC too. (Solar Heat Gain Coefficient )

I'm going to order trusses this monday from a truss manufacturer in Saco, Me called WSI Truss. Hopefully they can get them built and delivered next saturday. I'm considering 6/12 pitch scissor trusses. The nice thing is, they will fit right through the front door upside down and are only 109 lbs each. I'll probably get Runar and his friend Sean to do them, and I'll stand in the middle with a 2x4 to flip the trusses up vertical.

But first I need do a few more things this weekend. Fill the bond beam block course with rebar, anchor bolts and crete tommorrow. Then parge more SBC on the block wall. Thats alot of hard labor for the next 2 days. If I can atleast get the bond course done, I'll be satisfied.

When I'm done with this, I'm going to make a collage of the house construction to hang in the bathroom ;D
Title: Re: 30' x 40' Earth Berm Passive Solar House in Western Maine
Post by: speedfunk on November 30, 2008, 09:14:30 PM
One thing i noticed when building a 2nd story is that the higher up the more it seemed to slow the process down like alot.  It's nice to know you will have saved alot of money and time  by doing 1 story.  Neat idea on the scissors trusses.  I was also debating trusses for the simplicity of code type stuff mostly but decided it I really like to show the way it was constructed.    [cool]  you will still have the cathedral ceilings.  Very cool..I really like the root cellar in the back, nice way to make the food very convenient to get to
peace
jeff
Title: Re: 30' x 40' Earth Berm Passive Solar House in Western Maine
Post by: Bishopknight on November 30, 2008, 09:35:03 PM
Thanks Jeff,

Thats what a few other people told me also. When the 2" of snow hit us on friday, it slowed things down considerably. You feel it. I worked 3 more days in avg 25 degree weather. The following pics don't really show the amount of work expended.

On with the update:

Backhoe worked great lifting the wall. No problems there. Runar nailed and directed me. We had to frame the wall a few inches off center because of the wood stove vent. The backhoe was able to pick up the wall slightly so Runar could push it over into position.

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We framed this section without sheathing, then used a PT plate against the block and anchored it with 4" tapcon concrete screws. We sealed between the vertical concrete block and PT stud with sealant.

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Since trusses will be going up next, we left some of the sheathing exposed to augment the end trusses and lend strength.

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The west wall was framed the same exact way. I'll frame them for windows later.

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Alternating the sheathing for strength

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View from the driveway

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This was taken after we mixed 20 bags of 80 lb concrete to fill the bond beam block along the top course. Runar mixed while handing me up 5 gallon buckets of concrete. Working in sections, we filled them half way, placed rebar, filled them, leveled them and then placed anchor bolts. We finished in just 4 hrs.

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Applying the SBC cement went much better this time. The key is getting the right consistency. Its not like concrete, you have to mix it slightly dry and then give it 5 minutes to soak in and become thick and wet. Then trowel it on. The new area below took an hour to do.

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Earlier today I set the PT plate since the bond beam block course had set. I measured where the anchor bolts protruded and then drilled holes and grinded off any showing above the plate.

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A view of my SBC progress and midway through my top plate placement.

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The PT plates for the first 16 ft of the back wall.

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Title: Re: 30' x 40' Earth Berm Passive Solar House in Western Maine
Post by: Redoverfarm on November 30, 2008, 09:45:02 PM
BK I might have missed it in one of your post but are you employed elsewhere.  If so it will be rough going back to work if you have worked through your vacation days.  I know what you mean about the cold.  I worked all last winter only missed 3 days because it was well below 0 and there was no heat.  Shoot I don't think I even had windows or doors then.  Anyway if I can make it to the cabin this year I do have heat daily as I work.  The tile work and anything else requiring a longer drying time will have to wait til spring.

Speaking of drying time.  Was there a limit on the temp of your bonding material.  It might respond differently (easier) in warmer temps.
Title: Re: 30' x 40' Earth Berm Passive Solar House in Western Maine
Post by: MountainDon on December 01, 2008, 03:35:24 PM
I was wondering about the temperature and working with the SBC too.

The cold weather is why I have delayed installed the porcelain tile floor in our cabin. I didn't want the moisture in the thinset to freeze and expand and cause problems. [thinset dries very slowly with porcelain tile] I can't stay there long enough to be able to keep the cabin warm (wood stove) to ensure no problems.

So I was intrigued about using the SBC with snow on the ground. It could be completely different, I just have no idea.

Remember some products actually dry to the finished state; like ordinary drywall mud. Other things chemically cure to achieve strength in the finished state; like concrete, drywall "hot" mud.... However, the products that chemically cure can still be damaged by freezing when they have cured to a hardness if they still have a high enough moisture content.
Title: Re: 30' x 40' Earth Berm Passive Solar House in Western Maine
Post by: ScottA on December 01, 2008, 04:39:25 PM
Good progress.  :)
Title: Re: 30' x 40' Earth Berm Passive Solar House in Western Maine
Post by: Bishopknight on December 01, 2008, 10:38:29 PM
Hey John and Don,

I couldn't find a limit on the temp of the SBC. I decided to go for it after using the hammer claw on a test area. My assumption was that if it froze, it would make it brittle with low strength. This hasn't been the case yet so far.  It is a concern though and I only apply it when the temp is above 30 degrees. It dries very fast. I'm only going to apply SBC to one side for the winter. I'll do the other side in the spring. I'm not planning on berming it till atleast then anyways.

On another note, as previously mentioned, I've bought several Anderson 400 series windows off Craigslist , new, still in box, for 50-75% off Home Depots retail price. Granted, I've had to be flexible with the sizes but the quality and price can't be beat. I highly recommend it, especially in this economy, there is room to haggle.

Lastly, I wanted to mention that I found mixing the SBC on a sheet of plywood on the ground is much easier than mixing it in a wheelbarrow or plastic tub. I use a 4x8 sheet when mixing this or multiple bags of concrete. Its easier to flip and scoop with a shovel near the ground.

Title: Re: 30' x 40' Earth Berm Passive Solar House in Western Maine
Post by: MountainDon on December 01, 2008, 10:45:58 PM
From Quikrete's website... look under Quikwall and download the spec-data sheet in pdf format...

PRECAUTIONS
• Do not apply QUIKWALL SBC when weather
is forecast to be above 100 degrees F
(38 degrees C) or below 40 degrees F
(4 degrees C) within 24 hours without
adapting required hot and cold weather
precautions



Title: Re: 30' x 40' Earth Berm Passive Solar House in Western Maine
Post by: MountainDon on December 01, 2008, 10:47:35 PM
From Sakrete's website info on their SBC product...

CURING:
In hot weather lightly dampen the material as needed to promote adequate
curing. In cold weather adequately cover and keep from freezing for a minimum
of 24 hours. Protect from rain for 24 hours. Do not apply SAKRETE®
Surface Bonding Cement if temperature will fall below 50° F (10° C) within
24 hours.


Title: Re: 30' x 40' Earth Berm Passive Solar House in Western Maine
Post by: Bishopknight on December 02, 2008, 09:20:52 AM
Thanks Don,

Again, it cured extremely well but just for peace of mind, I'm going to hold off applying anymore until spring.

The most important area to apply the SBC to is in the mid-interior section which I intentionally left for later. That's where the most tension would be under earth pressure.

Looking ahead, here's my estimated cost & todo list in order:


There's certainly other things I haven't thought of on that list but I rarely look this far ahead because it can get intimidating to imagine all the work ahead. All the interior work will be done by me to save on labor costs.

The goal right now is just to get it shelled in for winter.
Title: Re: 30' x 40' Earth Berm Passive Solar House in Western Maine
Post by: glenn kangiser on December 02, 2008, 11:26:25 AM
BK, Just me but if you have warm enough temps I would want to get the blocks bonded together especially if you are putting the trusses on them.  Are they locking type blocks?  Seems I read that you did put a bond beam and rebar to help tie things together. 

I'm concerned about bracing on the loose blocks with all of that weight and possible wind problems.  I assume sheathing on the front can provide bracing as well as interior walls?
Title: Re: 30' x 40' Earth Berm Passive Solar House in Western Maine
Post by: Bishopknight on December 02, 2008, 12:03:33 PM
Well thats what Runar said too. That even if its a little too cold to apply the SBC, its better to get those block walls stabilized. Granted, there is a top course which is cemented and rebared. They're not locking types btw.

I could pick up a 20lb propane tank this weekend and a heater and try to keep it on all night long. But i'm not sure how much good that will do if I cover more than an 8' length of wall. Thats probably the smart thing to do though. Tarp above the area and heat it overnight.

I went ahead and ordered 8 trusses (1 gable end and 7 scissor). That will cover the top plated areas. That's all I could afford right now. I'm applying for a $10,000 loan so I can get it weatherproofed before any more snow hits. 
Title: Re: 30' x 40' Earth Berm Passive Solar House in Western Maine
Post by: MountainDon on December 02, 2008, 12:10:28 PM
Quote from: Bishopknight on December 02, 2008, 12:03:33 PM

I could pick up a 20lb propane tank this weekend and a heater and try to keep it on all night long. But i'm not sure how much good that will do if I cover more than an 8' length of wall. Thats probably the smart thing to do though. Tarp above the area and heat it overnight.

That is what I see builders do back home in Canada. One thing to look out for though with propane fired construction/industrial heaters is that many of them won't operate off anything less than a 100# tank. THe volume of propane used can cause frosting problem in the regulator when used with smaller tanks. Check with a tool rental outfit.
Title: Re: 30' x 40' Earth Berm Passive Solar House in Western Maine
Post by: speedfunk on December 02, 2008, 12:55:44 PM
Quote from: Bishopknight on December 02, 2008, 12:03:33 PM
Well thats what Runar said too. That even if its a little too cold to apply the SBC, its better to get those block walls stabilized. Granted, there is a top course which is cemented and rebared.

I could pick up a 20lb propane tank this weekend and a heater and try to keep it on all night long. But i'm not sure how much good that will do if I cover more than an 8' length of wall. Thats probably the smart thing to do though. Tarp above the area and heat it overnight.

Hey BK... Freakin' nice job during these last few days!   

I just thought I'd share my experience with the SBC in cold.  We did the same exact thing during the same month (2yrs ago).  We were parging when it was well below freezing at times.  We built a roof over and used a combonation of a propane heater and 2" foam stacked against the wall with a giant tarp over everything and left it on during the cold nights.   We even worked under the tarp most like time when it was curing.  We did not have a problem with the concrete being weak , not one stressline crack in the whole wall.

My guess is that the lower it goes toward freezing the slower it cures, if for some reason the water in the concrete freezes it would then expand by volume and and weaken the sbc.  However there is a reaction going on in the concrete that generates some heat so even below 32 outside temps might be ok?  I'm not sure really but our wall is fine lol.

peace
Title: Re: 30' x 40' Earth Berm Passive Solar House in Western Maine
Post by: MaineRhino on December 02, 2008, 06:13:21 PM
Hi Sean,  the place looks good and is going very fast, or so it seems! :)

After living through the Maine winter last year with 14'+ of snow, and 40% MORE predicted for this year, you may want to rethink the roof part. I thought I read that your roof will be 4/12, or maybe 6/12 shingled.
With this pitch, you will be shoveling the roof several times per winter. My house is 8/12, and the snow was 3' thick and solid ice on the bottom. Shoveling roofs is NO fun.

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Even metal roofs at 4/12 will collect snow without it sliding off. In fact, I saw several metal roofs at 6/12 pitch with 2-3' of snow on them, and when it finally did slide off it made quite a pile!

Which brings me to the next observation....  The front windows look very low to the ground, and may be subject to damage if snow does slide off the front roof, or gets piled too close to the house.

If your place was left as-is for the winter, would it really damage anything? I know what it's like to build in the winter. [cool] (very)

Just my 2 cents.....


Title: Re: 30' x 40' Earth Berm Passive Solar House in Western Maine
Post by: Bishopknight on December 02, 2008, 10:36:45 PM
Hey Troy and Jeff,

Thanks for the compliments.

Thats what I'm probably going to do, cover it and heat it on low, just to be safe.

Metal roof would be my preference, especially if I get this loan. I believe I only need strapping, not plywood sheathing if I do a metal roof. If anyone can confirm this, please feel free. That would balance out the cost of not having to buy roughly 40 sheets of CDX along with tar paper & shingles.

Hopefully 6/12 pitch will be sufficient with shingle or metal. Alot of people native to Maine have said it will be. I just wanted it at a pitch where I could build/maintain the roof myself safely and also put solar panels up on.

One of my friends tonight was asking me if it will cost about $100,000 to do the house. Frankly I think it will only cost about $30,000 to get it done, depending on how elaborate I make the kitchen look. My whole kitchen remodel in Dallas cost only $5,000. My old job threw out the SS dishwasher and I fixed it.

Before and After pics:

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ED: images aren't showing and I don't see why not? - MD I copied them to photobucket - possibly blocked by his server? gk 

BK:Thanks Glenn, I tried it again. If you guys can't see the pics above, let me know.

Title: Re: 30' x 40' Earth Berm Passive Solar House in Western Maine
Post by: Redoverfarm on December 02, 2008, 11:23:14 PM
BK I used sheeting on my roof and metal roofing for a couple different reasons.  One being critter & insect control.  Secondly condensation and insulation,  I used Titaninum Felt for an underlayment.  If you were going with a closed cell foam insulation then a stripped purlin would be great but I couldn/t afford the cost over convientional insulation.  Others may have additional thoughts but for me it made more sense. 
Title: Re: 30' x 40' Earth Berm Passive Solar House in Western Maine
Post by: MountainDon on December 03, 2008, 12:01:44 AM
Condensation on the underside of a metal roof could be a problem without using sheathing and an underlayment. Not to say it can not be done. Probably the best way to get around the condensation with a purlin mounted metal roof is to have Icynene (or similar) foam sprayed on the underside of the metal. That also greatly reduces the rain noise. It's a pricey thing; not for a DIYer.

Title: Re: 30' x 40' Earth Berm Passive Solar House in Western Maine
Post by: glenn kangiser on December 03, 2008, 01:16:08 AM
At least felt is reqd under the steel to prevent raining inside the house.
Title: Re: 30' x 40' Earth Berm Passive Solar House in Western Maine
Post by: Bishopknight on December 08, 2008, 12:02:43 PM
Monday Update:

8 trusses were delivered this weekend and I had Sean and Runar help install them. Definitely a 3 man job. It was hard work. This is how we did it:

We brought the trusses in upside down so they'd fit through the doorway and sat them on the ends of the walls so they'd be ready. Next a 20" 2x6 was nailed to the top plate next to the OC marking. Then me and Sean got up on each end and held the truss ends while the strong guy (Runar) flipped the truss into place. Note: You get a sudden pull from the truss as it wants to slide away from you. Around a 50 lb sudden jerk. But one hand is enough to do it. Then when its flipped up, you take the metal truss bracers and lock the previous truss with the new truss, then nail the baseplate in place, then the bracers in place.

There's about 2" of snow and ice on the slab now. I want to get this shelled in before we get a big one. We're racing against the clock now. Crossing my fingers on this one. I just ordered the other 13 trusses so we're gonna go for it this weekend, that is, if mother nature will wait one more week for me.

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I used the backhoe to lift the panels up

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Staggering the sheathing for strength.
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This is the easier way to lift sheathing up. Don't get me wrong, this is still a dangerous job, especially alone.
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I can really feel the extra height the scissor trusses give me. Its going to feel very open. At $118 a truss each, there is no sense in making them yourself. The metal join plates would cost roughly $30 alone.
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Title: Re: 30' x 40' Earth Berm Passive Solar House in Western Maine
Post by: ListerD on December 08, 2008, 12:43:52 PM
 [shocked]

Looking good!
Title: Re: 30' x 40' Earth Berm Passive Solar House in Western Maine
Post by: harry51 on December 08, 2008, 01:37:34 PM
Looks good! Here's hoping Mother Nature smiles upon you awhile longer!
Title: Re: 30' x 40' Earth Berm Passive Solar House in Western Maine
Post by: speedfunk on December 08, 2008, 03:12:43 PM
yeah your right BK Those trusses are cheap.  Like it alot!  Good luck to getting shelled in.   Nice here today though :)  Sunny
Title: Re: 30' x 40' Earth Berm Passive Solar House in Western Maine
Post by: HomeschoolMom on December 08, 2008, 03:43:25 PM
I love getting your updates!

This is a little off topic, but is there a way to do a story and half as a earth berm?
Title: Re: 30' x 40' Earth Berm Passive Solar House in Western Maine
Post by: Bishopknight on December 08, 2008, 04:16:46 PM
Thanks everyone.

Michelle,

I certainly don't see why not. I could have made this a 1 1/2 story I suppose. Half vaulted, half box style. Personally, I've grown tired of living in boxes. I try to live "outside the box"  ;D
Title: Re: 30' x 40' Earth Berm Passive Solar House in Western Maine
Post by: ScottA on December 08, 2008, 04:30:55 PM
Looking good. Go man go!  :)
Title: Re: 30' x 40' Earth Berm Passive Solar House in Western Maine
Post by: ListerD on December 08, 2008, 04:39:37 PM
I really can't wait to see this one completed. In a lot of ways you're doing what we're planning to do so it'll be interesting to see the finished product.

Title: Re: 30' x 40' Earth Berm Passive Solar House in Western Maine
Post by: Bishopknight on December 08, 2008, 05:26:51 PM
I am concerned about something and wanted to ask what you guys thought. What if Sean or Runar fell while putting up one of the trusses. God forbid. ( Don't worry they haven't ). But still if they did, at first they may not think of suing me, but after a while, if they have to miss work, they may.

Does anyone know of any insurance plan that will cover something similar to "workmans comp insurance"?

I just prefer not to take a chance if I can. Especially with dangerous roofing work.
Title: Re: 30' x 40' Earth Berm Passive Solar House in Western Maine
Post by: glenn kangiser on December 08, 2008, 05:38:52 PM
Looks great.

Not any great answers on the insurance from me BK.  It's a racket.  I carry S/E health insurance and try to never use it.  Roofing is about the highest in the workman's comp ins.  Absolutely outrageous.

Maybe the guys already have an insurance that will cover them?  Not likely though.  Standard here in that situation would be for the state to consider them as employees unless they are licensed contractors.

In that situation for day work friends I am sure to get ones that are not under the influence of anything and that prevents most problems but there is always a chance.  The rest are very well known to me or on one of my licenses. 

Constitutionally states may not make laws impairing the right of people to contract with one another, but ex-post facto laws are generally in favor of anyone who will feel damaged and wants to get an ambulance chaser to help them.
Title: Re: 30' x 40' Earth Berm Passive Solar House in Western Maine
Post by: Bishopknight on December 08, 2008, 06:00:40 PM
Thanks Glenn,

Both these guys are good workers, free of drugs/alcohol. Friends of my neighbor. I usually tip them on top of the work they put in and I have good repor. Its probably 2 more weekends of roofing work. Good thing is, its only 1 story. If I had gone 2 story, any accident from that would have been much worse.

We'll see how it goes.
Title: Re: 30' x 40' Earth Berm Passive Solar House in Western Maine
Post by: soomb on December 08, 2008, 08:55:23 PM
How are they compensated? Cash?  Do you have any written agreement (contract: I will pay you X if you do Y)  Does your property have any coverage (General Liability)?  I would guess it is just help for cash, and so-far-so-good and with just few days left I wonder if any contract or "hold harmless" would work, and as Glenn states one good ambulance chaser can burst that bubble.

How about a mattress on the ground below them... works for Bugs Bunny.... but somehow fails Wyle E. Coyote
Title: Re: 30' x 40' Earth Berm Passive Solar House in Western Maine
Post by: MountainDon on December 08, 2008, 09:56:46 PM
Coming along nice. Fingers crossed on the weather for you.   :)

Quote from: Bishopknight on December 08, 2008, 12:02:43 PM
...there is no sense in making them yourself. The metal join plates would cost roughly $30 alone.

Not to mention that you can not hammer this type of plate in place. These are not the same metal joiner plates every lumber yard sells. Truss plates are rolled or pressed under high even pressure; you can not achieve the same result with a hammer. It's possible to make your own trusses with plywood gussets and waterproof glue but most codes won't accept them with the engineer's stamp.
Title: Re: 30' x 40' Earth Berm Passive Solar House in Western Maine
Post by: Bishopknight on December 09, 2008, 08:43:26 AM
Hey Soomb,

Cash. As they say, "as long as theres no 1099, i'm good". No written contract. I have no general liability coverage on my land either. I'm going to call about it today and see if my insurance provider has anything like this.

The mattress idea is funny. Can you imagine what they would say if I brought one out there?

This is a tough issue, not just for me, but for anyone who is building their own home and hiring people out. You're right, no one wants an ambulence chaser.

MountainDon,

I didn't know that they pressed the metal joiners. Very interesting.

On a personal side note:

I'm picking up 5 Anderson Series 400 windows, still new in box, for at least 75% off retail price tonight. All 5 for $500.  One of them is a 4 ft , half round window which I'll likely put on the east side in the gable end. I think it will come out beautiful. Couple that with the 3 other windows I bought off craigslist for 50% off retail, I'm going to get all my windows for under $1200. I'm pretty estatic.
Title: Re: 30' x 40' Earth Berm Passive Solar House in Western Maine
Post by: Bishopknight on December 09, 2008, 09:31:39 PM
Got the windows tonight. 3 of the 4 still new in box, 1 not in box but like new ( few scratches ). The 4' half round came with unstained wood interior and 2x6 wood jamb. I spent $231 for each of the 3 new Anderson 400 Casement 6x3 windows earlier this month. There is a 5x6 Anderson 400 picture window Im considering also for $225.

I'm almost done 'window shopping' ;D

(http://lh3.ggpht.com/_RurR-jJH_sI/ST8oKnORX4I/AAAAAAAADXs/sKxC6O4LaYI/s720/100_5027.JPG)

(http://lh6.ggpht.com/_RurR-jJH_sI/ST8qG4Zjp3I/AAAAAAAADX0/M9Kitm_gCjI/s720/100_5028.JPG)

I might not have to modify the gable end support beams to fit the half round. It looks wider than 4' in this picture.
(http://lh3.ggpht.com/_RurR-jJH_sI/STxtWNoCF5I/AAAAAAAADH4/8QRltfs9Xcg/s800/100_5024.JPG)
Title: Re: 30' x 40' Earth Berm Passive Solar House in Western Maine
Post by: glenn kangiser on December 10, 2008, 12:07:49 AM
Cash is legal tender for all debts public and private.

Looks good, BK
Title: Re: 30' x 40' Earth Berm Passive Solar House in Western Maine
Post by: SkagitDrifter on December 10, 2008, 12:00:25 PM
Smokin' deal on the windows BK- way to go!
I hope the weather gods continue to be good to you.

Are the guys tied off while doing the roof work- might be worth looking into.  I had a slip on a job site once and the saftey harness saved me from a possible bad situation.  They are a pain in the butt- until you need one that is.
All the best
Tom 
Title: Re: 30' x 40' Earth Berm Passive Solar House in Western Maine
Post by: Jochen on December 10, 2008, 02:52:06 PM
Unbelievable.  :o  I have to shop in the US when I need more windows.  ??? I just checked the prices I paid here in Canada. 6 Windows 42" x 48", 1 Window 24" x 36" plus three exterior steel clad doors, outswing,  with venting windows cost me in 2005 C$4150.-

Jochen
Title: Re: 30' x 40' Earth Berm Passive Solar House in Western Maine
Post by: Bishopknight on December 10, 2008, 03:28:50 PM
Ouch Jochen,

Skagit, since the danger is most likely in tying the trusses together, there isn't much structural support to tie onto. I'm not worried about it during the sheathing because its 6/12.

On another note:

I wanted to think out loud here about roofing material and insulation.

About metal roofs. I called 2 places which do them. Both their quotes came in around the $3600 range for cash ( $4000 if credit card ). It would be the 20" wide, 18' long , 24 guage metal roof paneling. 

I priced out shingles ( 48 bundles ) and that would cost about $800-$1000 for 3 tab architectural. Neither of these prices include labor costs. My thinking is that since I'm trying to cut corners and build this house as low cost as possible. Its tough to spend about 4x more for the advantage of snow sliding off it easier. I could do alot with $2800 elsewhere. I shingled the 12x16 cabin ( which was 8/12 ) and that was no problem. This one is 6/12 and it will be even easier with the backhoe lifting up the shingles in the bucket. That is, if I go that route. Still thinking about it. We do get alot of snow here.

On insulation. Lowes is running a special on insulation, spend $300 on LM fiberglass, get a $100 gift card rebate. I'm thinking R-40 fiberglass for the cathedral ceiling, since I will probably nail strapping to the trusses and then lay the insulation over the 23" truss spacings. And probably cellulose for the walls using a plastic vapor barrier to hold it in as I work up the wall. I've read that Cellulose has better R value per sq inch and fits around electrical outlets better than fiberglass. Some studies done have shown that fiberglass is almost never installed correctly leading to air gaps and reduced R values.

Anyone have personal opinions on these?

Title: Re: 30' x 40' Earth Berm Passive Solar House in Western Maine
Post by: Jochen on December 10, 2008, 03:48:24 PM
That is also my experience with roofing prices. When I built my cabin I also wanted a metal roof, but the price for the material alone was four times more then for the shingles. And you don't see a lot of metal roofs here. It seems that they don't last so long in our salty air.

I agree with that cellulose should be the better material for walls then fibre bats. But what about loose fibre? Cellulose is for sure hygroscopic! And that would worry me, even when it will be treated with anti mildew inhibitors.

Jochen
Title: Re: 30' x 40' Earth Berm Passive Solar House in Western Maine
Post by: ListerD on December 10, 2008, 04:09:17 PM
Quote from: Jochen on December 10, 2008, 03:48:24 PM
Cellulose is for sure hygroscopic! And that would worry me, even when it will be treated with anti mildew inhibitors.

Pronunciation:    \ˌhī-grə-ˈskä-pik\
Function:    adjective
Etymology:  hygroscope, an instrument showing changes in humidity + 1-ic; from the use of such materials in the hygroscope
Date: 1790

1 : readily taking up and retaining moisture
2 : taken up and retained under some conditions of humidity and temperature <hygroscopic water in clay>

I always thought myself a fairly smart fellow. I had to look that one up!  d* ;D
Title: Re: 30' x 40' Earth Berm Passive Solar House in Western Maine
Post by: MaineRhino on December 10, 2008, 05:40:04 PM
BK, are you going to use ice & water shield (Grace)? I would run it all the way to the peak.

On the matter of insurance..... You should be able to get a Workers Comp policy to cover labor for the house. Since there is a minimum charge for the policy, it would run about $1,000.  d* d* d*

Find an agent close to your area (in Maine) who writes W/C, and explain to them the casual labor situation to them. If they need an estimate of potential wages, I would guess @ $5,000. That will nearly cover your minimum W/C premium. The rate is currently $19.30 per $100 for residential carpentry (Class code 5645). Don't tell the agent they are roofers, that is a higher rated code. As long as they assist with other aspects of building the home, roofing is considered incidental to residential construction.


However..... there may be another, less costly option.
In Maine there is a form called the "Predetermination of Independent Contractor Status to Establish Rebuttable Presumption ". This establishes whether the status of an individual worker, group of workers or a job classification associated with the employer is that of an employee or an independent contractor.


The form can be found @   http://www.state.me.us/wcb/petitions/wcb261.pdf

Fill it out and FAX it to the # provided.  You should have it in the mail in 2-3 days.

If you need more details, contact me. You have my info.

Good luck, and always CYA!
Title: Re: 30' x 40' Earth Berm Passive Solar House in Western Maine
Post by: MountainDon on December 10, 2008, 06:48:54 PM
Cellulose vs fiberglass insulation.

The type of cellulose used for insulating walls is actually referred to as spray in cellulose. It has a water mist sprayed as the dry cellulose is blown. The moisture causes it to stick to the exterior sheathing. It fills small spaces much better than fiberglass, around outlet boxes, pipes, etc. It is vastly superior in air infiltration resistance as compared to fiberglass batts. At least two days must pass to allow the cellulose to dry before doing the interior walls. The drawback to this type of insulation is that you need an experienced installer. It is not a DIY job. A first rate installer uses a moisture content meter to test the walls and will not authorize the interior walls to be sheathed until the moisture level is low enough.

I would have used it if I could have found an installer to go up to the mountains for a reasonable price. Most of them did not want anything to do with the trip over the dirt roads at all. The quote I did get was nuts because they didn't really want to make the trip.

Most of the quality energy efficient new homes being built around here are using the wet spray in cellulose insulation.

Here's a good article from U Mass...

http://www.umass.edu/bmatwt/publications/articles/cellulose_insulation.html

(http://www.raftertales.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/11/cellulose-insulation-2.jpg)
Title: Re: 30' x 40' Earth Berm Passive Solar House in Western Maine
Post by: Bishopknight on December 11, 2008, 09:15:55 AM
Hi Troy,

Thanks for that information. It sounds like if I do either one, I would have to withhold taxes from them. I bet they'd love that. Maybe I should tell them my concerns and recommend we put the extra bail of hay I have underneath Sean ( who does the dangerous job of nailing the braces to the raised trusses )

I didn't plan on getting the Grace underlayment. I was thinking just roofing felt. I do have quite a bit of 6 mil black plastic I could put down under/over the tar paper. I bought it when I was thinking about Mike Oehlers PSP method. That Grace shield stuff looks expensive.

Don,

Thanks for that article. I read the entire thing. Some of it I didn't know and the rest I found scattered among several articles. That's the best article on the subject I've seen. I saw loose fill is 3.5 R per inch so I might just do that. Maybe pack it in tight if I can ( to get closer to R4 ) and just staple the vapor barrier over it as I work my way up. Now that I think about it, I really only have about 70 ft of wall to insulate and most of that is already windows. That's why I like the cellulose idea. Those small spaces would require alot of fibre bat cutting which would definitely result in some miscuts. Even if its loose fill, its definitely going to beat fibre bats in this scenario.
Title: Re: 30' x 40' Earth Berm Passive Solar House in Western Maine
Post by: MaineRhino on December 11, 2008, 10:01:02 AM
Sean,

You are not required to withhold taxes for subcontractor payments.
The W/C insurance covers them if they are hurt on the job. The predetermination letters PROVE that they are subcontractors, at least in the eyes of the state. This letter covers YOU from being sued by someone claiming to be an employee, when they are actually a sub.
I deal with this on a daily basis, and have met many people who have lost it all due to being sued by a friendly "sub".
If you do withhold taxes, that just reinforces the fact that they are employees, therefore you MUST have W/C insurance.

About the Grace....  The roof is no place to cut corners or go cheap on materials. The ice & water shield is your only (semi) guarantee that there will be no leaks in the roof membrane. With a 6/12 pitch there is more of a chance of ice backing up under your shingles. Grace is self-sealing too. Spend the extra money for it.
Title: Re: 30' x 40' Earth Berm Passive Solar House in Western Maine
Post by: Bishopknight on December 11, 2008, 12:24:44 PM
Thanks Troy,

You've made me reconsider. I'll have Runar and Sean sign these applications this weekend. I also left a message for a workers comp insurance agent to call me back.

These guys are up pretty high.

(http://lh3.ggpht.com/_RurR-jJH_sI/STxtSr70ZyI/AAAAAAAADG4/RT63R8u6g_s/s800/100_5014.JPG)

As for the Grace, my local lumber yard sells it for $123.95 per 225 sq ft roll. Reading through user comments about it, everyone swears by it.  I would need 7 rolls costing $868 + tax ( or roughly $750 over the cost of tar paper ). I'll do some more thinking on it. I won't have to make a decision on this until next week anyways. We're going to throw poly over the sheathing if we get that far this weekend (to keep the ice/snow off temporarily).
Title: Re: 30' x 40' Earth Berm Passive Solar House in Western Maine
Post by: MaineRhino on December 11, 2008, 01:36:23 PM
Glad to hear it Sean. Good luck this weekend. 6-10" of snow expected today and tomorrow, with a major ice storm coming Friday as well. Saturday & Sunday looks partly sunny.  Hope all goes well for you and your crew!

And the sub forms.... Don't forget to mail or FAX them to the state (there is no charge for this), otherwise they are no good.

Tell your crew that if they fall, the last thing they should yell is "I QUIT" ! :)
Title: Re: 30' x 40' Earth Berm Passive Solar House in Western Maine
Post by: Bishopknight on December 11, 2008, 01:48:05 PM
Truss company called, they can't deliver tommorrow so it looks like I'm not going up this weekend. Least it gives me time to get the W/C going.

Hopefully next weekend will be nicer.

I can't lie though, I wanted to finish it this weekend. I'm a little bummed out.

I got other prices on roofing underlayments from my lumber yard:

IKO - 65'x3' - $68 / roll - 195 sq ft
Certainteed - 65'x3' - $93 / roll - 195 sq ft
Grace - 75'x3' - $123 / roll - 225 sq ft

IKO sounds like the best deal. Troys right, a waterproof membrane under the shingles is a wise idea.
Title: Re: 30' x 40' Earth Berm Passive Solar House in Western Maine
Post by: glenn kangiser on December 12, 2008, 11:00:17 PM
Note that it doesn't like to stick if it's wet.
Title: Re: 30' x 40' Earth Berm Passive Solar House in Western Maine
Post by: Bishopknight on December 15, 2008, 01:14:14 PM
I was thinking about buying this insulation and wanted to know what you guys thought about putting 2 inches of it in the 5.25" space. Then running regular 2x4 R13 fiberglass bats in the remaining 3.25".  James Kachadorian suggests this type of practice in his book "The Passive Solar House".

http://providence.craigslist.org/mat/942160537.html (http://providence.craigslist.org/mat/942160537.html)

According to Don's link in his last post, its 4.8 R value per sq inch for Extruded Polystyrene. So that would give me around R22.5 in the framed walls.

QuoteInsulation Type    R-value per Inch of Thickness
     
Fiberglass blanket or batt    3.2
High performance fiberglasss batt    3.8
Loose-fill fiberglass    2.5
Loose-fill rock wool    2.8
Loose-fill cellulose    3.5
Dense-pack cellulose    4.0*
Expanded polystyrene board    3.8
Extruded polystyrene board    4.8
Polyisocyanurate board, unfaced    5.8
Polyisocyanurate board, foil-faced    7.0
Spray polyurethane foam    5.9
Title: Re: 30' x 40' Earth Berm Passive Solar House in Western Maine
Post by: MountainDon on December 15, 2008, 02:30:11 PM
As long as you don't mind all the cutting, fitting and sealing any voids where the cut sheets meet each other and/or obstructions like pipes, wires, etc that should work out fine.
Title: Re: 30' x 40' Earth Berm Passive Solar House in Western Maine
Post by: MikeOnBike on December 15, 2008, 02:44:23 PM
You can get 5 1/2" fiberglass batts rated at R21.  Is that close enough or perhaps they aren't as effective as their rating?  Is there a price benefit with the glass/foam combo?

We have three family cabins to build over the next 5 years and had tentatively planned on 2x6 construction on 2' centers with R21 batts for the walls.
Title: Re: 30' x 40' Earth Berm Passive Solar House in Western Maine
Post by: MountainDon on December 15, 2008, 03:29:54 PM
The R21 batts are a good thing if you can find them. They are a denser matt than the regular and do not need to be squished in with the resultant loss one about one "R". I looked and looked around here and the only places that had them available were insulation contractors. they would not sell just the materials. They wanted the job. Except they didn't want the job when they found out where it was and what the road in was like. Catch-22 thing.  ::)
Title: Re: 30' x 40' Earth Berm Passive Solar House in Western Maine
Post by: Bishopknight on December 15, 2008, 04:15:02 PM
Ya for 1.5 R value, it doesn't really make much sense. The price difference would be negligible.

Thanks guys.
Title: Re: 30' x 40' Earth Berm Passive Solar House in Western Maine
Post by: Squirl on December 15, 2008, 06:25:51 PM
That is a good price.  They go for $24 a 4x8 sheet at lowes.  That puts it around $.75 a square foot, those are around $.34 a square foot.  They would cover around 288 squre feet for 1 sheet thick.  Is that enough for your walls?
Title: Re: 30' x 40' Earth Berm Passive Solar House in Western Maine
Post by: Bishopknight on December 22, 2008, 09:41:31 AM
Monday Update:

No pics this time. Camera batteries died. Note to self: Have extras on hand next time.

Saturday morning I met Runar and Sean there to finish installing the remaining trusses and sheath the top. There was about a ft of snow on the ground and inside the house when I arrived. I used the backhoe to plow the driveway. The trusses were left at the base of the driveway because it wasn't plowed. Since they were bound together, Runar suggested we pull them up sled style since they were too heavy to carry up.

The weather during the day averaged 10 degrees on saturday and -5 on sunday morning. It was cloudy both days. There was no wind thankfully. It was quite brutal to work in.

After we scraped the ice off both top plates and marked the remaining OC markings for the trusses, we lifted them in and rested them upside down on the plates. Then we set the end gable truss using the backhoe to lift it so a 1/3 of it could slide onto the plate. Then Sean, Runar and I slid it over by hand and runar pushed it up with a tacked 30ft 2x4 while we held the corners. Once that was done, we went about setting the inside scissor trusses and braces. When we got to about 5 left, we laid the remaining trusses up against the strong side, then slid them out one at a time into place and braced and nailed them. Next we installed the fascia board on both front and back using 16' 2x6s. After that we sheathed almost the entire front side before sundown saturday ( 4pm ).

Overnight, i stayed in the cabin, using the Little Buddy Mr Heater. It was -7 degrees outside and the Mr Heater, lets say, was no buddy of mine. It couldn't keep the cabin warm, despite it being insulated. I kept it nearby and did not get much sleep, waking up multiple times. In retrospect, I should have gotten a hotel.

Next morning we got to work on the backside. I ran (what they say) *bitch* and cut and handed up the sheathing for Sean and Runar on the roof. I'd squat and boost up the 5/8 sheets of advantech up to them, and they'd swing it onto the roof. We didnt finish the end cuts but we got it 90% sheathed. I had some 6 mil black poly and we put it over 3 quarters of the roof using long scrap advantech to tack it down with 8d nails.

I raced out of there at 11:30 am as a winter blizzard was approaching ( which ended up dropping 24" last night ). It was a treacherous ride home, taking 6 hrs instead of 3, whiteout conditions at times. But in the end, I beat mother nature, almost to the last second as if she was saying, "Ok, you're out of time".

Btw, I forgot to mention, I "waffled" my left thumb pretty good and slipped on the ice, throwing out my back sat night. 

Title: Re: 30' x 40' Earth Berm Passive Solar House in Western Maine
Post by: glenn kangiser on December 22, 2008, 11:56:36 AM
That's a great update, BK.  Sounds like you gave it your all.
Title: Re: 30' x 40' Earth Berm Passive Solar House in Western Maine
Post by: Redoverfarm on December 22, 2008, 05:00:47 PM
BK did you use Advantex for roof sheeting ???.  I am only familar with 3/4" in that and it is T&G. If you did you wouldn't have had to put black poly on it. 
Title: Re: 30' x 40' Earth Berm Passive Solar House in Western Maine
Post by: Dog on December 22, 2008, 05:26:41 PM
Don't forget camera batteries next time. Priorities...You are quite insane!  ;D
Title: Re: 30' x 40' Earth Berm Passive Solar House in Western Maine
Post by: Bishopknight on December 22, 2008, 05:37:52 PM
"The distance between insanity and genius is measured only by success." Bruce Feirstein  ;D

Can you believe I'm thinking about going up again this weekend? I think I can probably get those windows installed now. I like what Glenn says, "You're an animal BK". Roar! ;D

John,

Yes, I went with the Advantech 5/8" square edge. I agree with you. It doesn't need the poly, but my helpers brought up a very good point. Having the poly on there will allow us to peel it off and get right to work on the roof when we come back, instead of scraping off ice and snow. Otherwise, I have no worries about waiting till spring to do the roofing.  ;D

Btw, I think this is what MaineRhino was talking about with the use of an Ice / Water shield........ especially in Maine

(http://www.comfortradiant.com/images/roof_with_ice_dam.jpeg)

P.S: Here is a video MountainDon submitted about Drywall Install tips is excellent!
http://countryplans.com/smf/index.php?topic=5399.0 (http://countryplans.com/smf/index.php?topic=5399.0)

P.S.P.S: Here is a video about Tyvek install tips
http://www.buildingmedia.com/tyvek_cd/frames.html (http://www.buildingmedia.com/tyvek_cd/frames.html)

Title: Re: 30' x 40' Earth Berm Passive Solar House in Western Maine
Post by: Redoverfarm on December 22, 2008, 05:57:57 PM
I read his post and I was under the assumption that he was going to use the rolled membrane 36" wide stuff.  There are two kinds.  One is a storm guard and the other ice guard.  Storm guard although it is self adhesive is NWS in my opinion. Ice guard is more like a rubber self healing.  I have used both.  Ice guard is far superior.  You might consider it on the eve portion of your roof if your pitch is less than 8/12 and you are going with shingles.
Title: Re: 30' x 40' Earth Berm Passive Solar House in Western Maine
Post by: Dog on December 22, 2008, 07:06:15 PM
Are c* you really thinking about going up again this weekend? I guess if it's not going to snow why not...Wear a hat. I wouldn't stay in that cabin again. Bring batteries.  ;D I think insanity and genius do go hand in hand. Just don't let the insanity kill the genius. Wear a hat.
Slow down a little so you don't hurt yourself. I slammed my pinkie yesterday and that killed. careful with your thumb and back. Peace~ Can't wait to see new pics!
Title: Re: 30' x 40' Earth Berm Passive Solar House in Western Maine
Post by: Bishopknight on December 27, 2008, 08:46:10 AM
UPDATE: Moved pictures to my photobucket account. This should work.. c*

Got the last part of the roof sheathed yesterday and also installed the tyvek, south facing windows and flashing.

(https://i221.photobucket.com/albums/dd261/bishopknight1977/100_5034.jpg)

(https://i221.photobucket.com/albums/dd261/bishopknight1977/100_5035.jpg)

(https://i221.photobucket.com/albums/dd261/bishopknight1977/100_5036.jpg)

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(https://i221.photobucket.com/albums/dd261/bishopknight1977/100_5038.jpg)

Making sure my windows were properly installed was big to me. I made sure I wrapped the side & bottom Tyvek flaps inside the window. Then used 50 yr "elastomeric caulk" on the flange because it adheres to Tyvek homewrap. Then used Vycor Grace flashing and finally, as Tyvek instructs, made sure the top flap came down over the window flashing.

(https://i221.photobucket.com/albums/dd261/bishopknight1977/100_5039.jpg)

(https://i221.photobucket.com/albums/dd261/bishopknight1977/100_5040.jpg)

http://www.buildingmedia.com/tyvek_cd/frames.html (http://www.buildingmedia.com/tyvek_cd/frames.html)


I got all the south facing windows done before I left.

(https://i221.photobucket.com/albums/dd261/bishopknight1977/100_5042.jpg)
Title: Re: 30' x 40' Earth Berm Passive Solar House in Western Maine
Post by: glenn kangiser on December 27, 2008, 12:57:43 PM
Good for you, BK. :)
Title: Re: 30' x 40' Earth Berm Passive Solar House in Western Maine
Post by: MaineRhino on December 29, 2008, 04:27:06 PM
BK, I can't see the pictures. Can anyone else?
Title: Re: 30' x 40' Earth Berm Passive Solar House in Western Maine
Post by: Redoverfarm on December 29, 2008, 05:10:30 PM
Nothing here either except where they are suppose to be with a red X in the upper left.
Title: Re: 30' x 40' Earth Berm Passive Solar House in Western Maine
Post by: Alasdair on December 29, 2008, 05:16:58 PM
Ditto :(
Title: Re: 30' x 40' Earth Berm Passive Solar House in Western Maine
Post by: soomb on December 29, 2008, 06:48:01 PM
I see a set of windows with a ladder.  Using Firefox 3.0.5
Title: Re: 30' x 40' Earth Berm Passive Solar House in Western Maine
Post by: HomeschoolMom on December 29, 2008, 09:32:42 PM
I ended up opening it in Opera.  It didn't show the pics initially but if I right clicked on the pics I could have it open the pics.

Oh, and it is looking great, BK! :)
Title: Re: 30' x 40' Earth Berm Passive Solar House in Western Maine
Post by: Bishopknight on December 30, 2008, 10:36:23 AM
Thank you all for the kind words  ;D I'm sorry some of you are having problems viewing my pictures.

Update: I moved the pictures over to photobucket

On a side note, I bought 8 boxes of Henry Eaveguard 195 sq ft bitumene roofing layer for $40 a box from someone on craigslist last night. From what I gathered, it was around a 30-40% savings off retail.
http://providence.craigslist.org/mat/959136353.html (http://providence.craigslist.org/mat/959136353.html)

Also, I just ordered the shingles, drip edge, roofing coil nails and more 2"x6"x16'ers for the gable ends. The roof is costing $1600 in materials ( 5/8 advantech sheathing not included ), $700 in labor. I bought 30 yr Architectural 3-tab shingles. I've got Runar and Sean coming Friday, Sat and Sunday. I'm renting 2 roof guns, compressors and a generator from Seans father for $100 a day on Sat/Sun. Hopefully I have good pictures on monday.  ;D

P.S: The craigslist window search continues, I found an identical window to the 4 others I bought recently. I'm picking it up tommorrow at lunch. I needed one more to compliment the remaining one I had so there'll be 2 identical ones on the (road facing) east side.
Title: Re: 30x40 Earth Berm Passive Solar in Maine
Post by: Dog on December 30, 2008, 09:21:24 PM
Congrats on the window and roofing purchases! Getting the good deals is part of the hunt! You must be running around like a mad man.
Looking forward to seeing those pics...  c*
Title: Re: 30x40 Earth Berm Passive Solar in Maine
Post by: MountainDon on December 31, 2008, 04:35:31 PM
None of the above pictiger images show on my Firefox 3.0.5 
Title: Re: 30x40 Earth Berm Passive Solar in Maine
Post by: FrankInWI on December 31, 2008, 06:01:09 PM
found this whole string of posts and went through it at one sitting.  SO facinated...and I learned more again from the whole team.  Thanks SO much for taking the time to keep us updated with the dialouge and the pictures.  Oh yeh,  I can't see the recent pictures posted at all. 

I'm amazed at your determination which is resulting is a herculian effort to build this place.  My gosh, at 61 and chubby I get tired reading of your tough and determined work!
Title: Re: 30x40 Earth Berm Passive Solar in Maine
Post by: glenn kangiser on January 01, 2009, 10:57:06 AM
pictiger doesn't like us, BK
Title: Re: 30x40 Earth Berm Passive Solar in Maine
Post by: Bishopknight on January 04, 2009, 10:17:45 PM
Sunday Update:

I left at 4am friday morning to meet Sean and Runar at my place at 8am. They filled out the gable ends with 2x4's and then started sheathing it. Runar asked me to get the remaining snow and ice off the roof. I used a shovel initially, then borrowed my neighbors flame thrower/blowtorch to melt the remaining ice off the advantech. It took me 6 mind-numbing slip-worrying hrs to remove all the snow and ice off the un-protected quarter of the roof. I had 6 long hrs to think about how nice it would've been if we had tarped that area, lol.

Old pic but this is what it looked like before I started cleaning the roof off.
(https://i221.photobucket.com/albums/dd261/bishopknight1977/100_5035.jpg)

(https://i221.photobucket.com/albums/dd261/bishopknight1977/100_5043.jpg)


At night, I stayed in the cabin attic, but this time It was a fully insulated, poly'd and drywalled attic. I brought the Mr Buddy heater up there with me and kept a window cracked 2" for ventilation down below. 2 1lb propane tanks kept the attic warm ( on low ). I have R19 insulation in the attic rafters. I liken it to sleeping in a super-insulated tent. It got down below zero at night so I had to wear a hat a few times. I use a 20 degree rated Coleman Montauk sleeping bag, a comforter and some padding. I slept pretty good all weekend*.

Sean and I got the Henry Eaveguard I/W shield up on the roof late friday and we setup the staging saturday morning. Runar worked on the other gable end that day, I helped build some of the gable framing. 

(https://i221.photobucket.com/albums/dd261/bishopknight1977/100_5044.jpg)

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(https://i221.photobucket.com/albums/dd261/bishopknight1977/100_5055.jpg)

Earlier today, Sean and Runar worked on roofing the rest of the front. They put me on the task of starting to roof the back via ladder since we didn't have staging that would work with those cement blocks. I got 5 course laid by the time they finished the front, allowing them to come over without staging and work right off the roof. We all worked as a team very well this weekend.

With the windchill, it was -10 this morning. We all had to take the shingles apart and lay them on the roof to heat up because they were frozen together and would rip easily. Building in the winter has its disadvantages. Shingles don't like to bend at 12 degrees, lol. We built a box out of styrofoam and sat the little buddy heater in it with a couple bundles to dethaw them. Worked pretty good.

(https://i221.photobucket.com/albums/dd261/bishopknight1977/100_5056.jpg)

(https://i221.photobucket.com/albums/dd261/bishopknight1977/100_5057.jpg)

(https://i221.photobucket.com/albums/dd261/bishopknight1977/100_5062.jpg)

(https://i221.photobucket.com/albums/dd261/bishopknight1977/100_5063.jpg)

(https://i221.photobucket.com/albums/dd261/bishopknight1977/100_5065.jpg)

My back is so sore right now but in the end, we got the entire roof done, minus the ridge cap which I will do next time I'm up ( as long as it doesnt snow ). The top shingles abbut (sp?) each other so water shouldnt be a problem for the time being.

*- Not as good as at home!
Title: Re: 30x40 Earth Berm Passive Solar in Maine
Post by: glenn kangiser on January 04, 2009, 10:57:49 PM
BK --- you are crazy to work in that weather, but that is outstanding --- a superhuman success.  Wow. :)

That is determination.

I noticed the staging brackets on the wall - can you tell us a little bit about them?
Title: Re: 30x40 Earth Berm Passive Solar in Maine
Post by: MaineRhino on January 05, 2009, 07:52:24 AM
Good job BK!   :)
Title: Re: 30x40 Earth Berm Passive Solar in Maine
Post by: Bishopknight on January 05, 2009, 08:07:18 AM
Thanks for the kind words Frank, Glenn and MaineRhino ;D

Those roofing brackets are Seans fathers. They're custom built brackets which mount via a long threaded bolt to the inside wall. He drilled a 5/8 hole in the wall and then mounted a 2x6 plate on the backside ( also with a hole drilled in it ) where the washer and nut attached to. He also had to reinforce the outside wall with scrap plywood for the bottom bracing area. He said without the extra bracing, hes heard of the brackets punching through the 1/2" ply. 

Personally, I would say it would've been faster to just get up on a ladder and do the first 4 course that way ( like I did on the back ).  It took about an hour to setup the staging and another hr to tear it down. It would be different if it was a 2 story though, you would need some staging.

The next project is getting the ice melted inside and the place heated up, which means strapping the ceiling and laying 23" insulation between the trusses. I've read strapping has many benefits. It will allow me to run my electrical between it without drilling holes. It will reinforce the ceiling. It will give the drywall a wider 3" track to screw into, and a shorter distance between spans (16" OC compared to 24").

This week I'm going to look on craigslist for a kerosene/diesel heater. I don't want to install a woodstove until the floor is dry.

Btw: I updated the below-slab plumbing post with more pictures http://countryplans.com/smf/index.php?topic=5386.msg69719#msg69719 (http://countryplans.com/smf/index.php?topic=5386.msg69719#msg69719)
Title: Re: 30x40 Earth Berm Passive Solar in Maine
Post by: glenn kangiser on January 05, 2009, 11:42:00 AM
Good ideas.

Lots of leverage on that staging but a great idea.  Similar can be done with 2x4's and the outside leg going to the ground while continuing up for handrails if desired.
Title: Re: 30x40 Earth Berm Passive Solar in Maine
Post by: Redoverfarm on January 05, 2009, 04:46:46 PM
BK I hope you get a couple good days of sun to seat the shingles. Sometimes in cold weather and no sun they will not seal to themselves and a subsequent high wind will lift them off.  Otherwise a very good job.  Working in the cold is not fun irregardless of what you are doing. 
Title: Re: 30x40 Earth Berm Passive Solar in Maine
Post by: ScottA on January 05, 2009, 05:42:25 PM
Looking good! Moving right along.  :)
Title: Re: 30x40 Earth Berm Passive Solar in Maine
Post by: llamaman on January 05, 2009, 05:52:40 PM
Hi  Bishopknight  I have found your 30x40 berm most interesting
In a 1982 outdoor life magazine I read about an under ground house by  Rob Roy and a seed was planted.  I have read his under ground house book also. I will be starting my house this spring my hole I dug this fall.
There is a lot of similarity between your house and mine. And I have learned a lot already from your pics and your postings for that I thank you.
My only experience is a 12x12 tool shed   and a 40x58 pole barn.
So I need all the help I can get
I have no Idea what strapping the ceiling is.  ??? Must be time for another internet search.
Thanks again keep posting and Ill keep learning
Title: Re: 30x40 Earth Berm Passive Solar in Maine
Post by: glenn kangiser on January 05, 2009, 06:18:22 PM
Strapping = 1x4s across the bottom of the trusses.

w* llamaman.  Have you read Mike Oehler's book?  I read Rob Roy's book but liked Oehler's ideas better.

Title: Re: 30x40 Earth Berm Passive Solar in Maine
Post by: NM_Shooter on January 05, 2009, 07:11:16 PM
Brrr..... Looks good!

What is the pitch on your roof?

-f-
Title: Re: 30x40 Earth Berm Passive Solar in Maine
Post by: Dog on January 05, 2009, 10:38:47 PM
BK --- you are crazy to work in that weather, but that is outstanding --- a superhuman success.  Wow. Smiley

Glenn....Please do not tell him he's "a superhuman success"  :P No good can come from that....lol...
This will only lead to a higher amperage in freezing productivity if that is possible.  :P

The house is coming out really nice.  [cool] brrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr
Title: Re: 30x40 Earth Berm Passive Solar in Maine
Post by: glenn kangiser on January 06, 2009, 06:27:00 AM
I do not think I have near the huevos for working in that cold.  That is the reason I moved to California.  Oregon was too cold for me.
Title: Re: 30x40 Earth Berm Passive Solar in Maine
Post by: Bishopknight on January 06, 2009, 08:46:29 AM
Hey llamaman,

Glad to help. Hopefully I've alleviated some of your concerns by giving an owner-builders perspective of the project. It sounds like you have a good background of experience so keep us updated of your progress  :)

NM_Shooter,

Its a 6/12 pitch

Dog,

I think most of the outdoor work is thankfully over! I'm picking up a 70,000 BTU Reddy Heater tonight off craigslist for $80. Should heat up the inside quite well and get that skating rink melted.

Looking back,

I started this project 3 months ago and I'm ecstatic with how its progressed so far, I'm excited about what it will look like in another 3 months. Granted, aside from the credit card debt and $5000 loan I recently took, each weekend that goes by, my life long dream of owning my own fully paid for house is becoming a reality. That's what has allowed me to put 30,000 miles on my car this year, to get up at 4am and drive through blizzards, to sleep in a shack with no running water and work in below zero temperatures. Some may call it crazy but when you're going after your lifes dreams, you absolutely find a way to make it happen.

Roof costs estimated to date:

$2,400 - 19 scissor trusses / 2 gable end trusses
$900 - 5/8" Advantech Sheathing
$1,700 - Shingles, drip edge, gable ends, wood, tool rental
$2,000 - Labor cost
--------------
$7,000 total
Title: Re: 30x40 Earth Berm Passive Solar in Maine
Post by: Mike 870 on January 06, 2009, 09:24:08 AM
It's looking great. Keep up the good work and the updates.
Title: Re: 30x40 Earth Berm Passive Solar in Maine
Post by: llamaman on January 06, 2009, 08:06:25 PM
Thanks for the  welcome
First I would like to ask you patience I swing a hammer pretty good but the writing skills are not so good.
Glenn I have not read Mike Oehlers book Ill try to get that ordered to day.

BK in these uncertain economic times you are doing the only thing that makes sense to me.  do as much of the work your self as you can and keep the det at a minimum.

And yes Ill try to let you all know how the house is coming I already have a couple of  questions I would like to ask the good people on this forum.

I saw you used black corrugated tubing to vent your wood stove like Rob Roy did.
I have researched earth tubing some and plan on incorporating earth tubing into my house .
Some  feel you should use smooth wall pipe because of moisture getting trapped and mold and mildew  issues .  [yuk]  Just thought I would pass that on to you don't know if it will help.   

Title: Re: 30x40 Earth Berm Passive Solar in Maine
Post by: Bishopknight on January 07, 2009, 07:44:27 AM
Thanks Llamaman,

The economy definitely concerns me and is in line with my thinking as well. If my house is fully paid for and I'm out of debt, a part time job should cover all my expenses.

I agree the corrogated vent tube could potentially collect and hold moisture. I believe Rob Roy mentioned that him or someone he knew forgot to tilt it downhill away from the house so I made sure that was observed. As far as the little corrogated ribs, I cant do much about that. If it became an issue, I could probably use some self-leveling cement or garage floor epoxy to fill the water collecting ribs.

I picked up that Reddy Heater last night. I'm excited to see if I can get the inside melted this weekend. I'm not certain about this so if someone can agree/disagree with me... I was thinking I'd insulate the soffit eves with 1ft fiber bat pieces where air could escape , leave the cold cellar door open for ventilation and put up a piece of plastic poly over the front door.

Now I just need to find where Kerosene or #1 fuel(diesel?) is sold... I just read that cold weather Diesel is the #1 variety...
Title: Re: 30x40 Earth Berm Passive Solar in Maine
Post by: MaineRhino on January 07, 2009, 08:28:03 AM
BK, for an indoor heater use Kerosene. I always use the additive that keeps it from stinking too bad.

Are you going to be there this weekend? They are calling for cold temps, 20 on Sat and 10 on Sunday. 4" to 8" of snow expected today too. d*
Title: Re: 30x40 Earth Berm Passive Solar in Maine
Post by: Bishopknight on January 07, 2009, 08:46:26 AM
Good to know, thanks Troy.

Yep, I'll be there this weekend, working inside, melting the floor. As long as I can drive there and back safely, I don't care any longer about 5", 15" or 5' of snow  ;D

I found this picture, I really like the ceiling, crown molding and brick on the mantle. I think its just panel board they used on the ceiling painted a glossy white. Those are probably fake rafters as well, which seem easy to do, just lay 2, 2x4's over the panel board every other truss, then box them out with some 1x4 pine and then stain em. I'd want to stain them a darker shade though. Looks nice though. Its the kind of look I want to go for with my cathedral ceilings

(http://www.castlestonedesign.com/images/FP%20Maine.JPG)
Title: Re: 30x40 Earth Berm Passive Solar in Maine
Post by: Mike 870 on January 07, 2009, 10:32:52 AM
I used that paneling when I re-did my bathroom.  The kind I got from Lowes didn't need to be painted, just came that way. 

click thumbnail to view
(http://thumb3.webshots.net/t/66/566/3/12/93/2347312930103512223SFoXam_th.jpg) (http://good-times.webshots.com/photo/2347312930103512223SFoXam)
Title: Re: 30x40 Earth Berm Passive Solar in Maine
Post by: soomb on January 07, 2009, 10:39:06 AM
I went back to page one and looked at the stove vent:  Will this be under the stove or in the general area of it, or feed it directly?

Will it have a grate?
Title: Re: 30x40 Earth Berm Passive Solar in Maine
Post by: Bishopknight on January 07, 2009, 01:41:06 PM
Hey Soomb,

I haven't figured that part out yet to be honest. I placed it slightly to the left of where I thought I would be able to use it. My thinking right now is that the elevated mantle step that the wood stove will rest on will route that vent towards the back.

Mike,

I like that. I think I prefer that over drywall. Plus In my case I wont have to rent a hopper and shoot a knockdown texture. This probably makes strapping redundant though, depending on how thick the paneling is.

I changed my floorplan a bit today. Here are some screen captures. Its not set in stone but I like this layout.

(https://i221.photobucket.com/albums/dd261/bishopknight1977/floorplan.jpg)
View from Kitchen
(https://i221.photobucket.com/albums/dd261/bishopknight1977/kitchen-view.jpg)
Master Bedroom
(https://i221.photobucket.com/albums/dd261/bishopknight1977/master.jpg)
Office
(https://i221.photobucket.com/albums/dd261/bishopknight1977/office.jpg)
Title: Re: 30x40 Earth Berm Passive Solar in Maine
Post by: MaineRhino on January 07, 2009, 07:18:09 PM
Looks good BK. I especially like the kitchen pantry and rear access into the earth-cooled food vault!  [cool]

I would think about making the bathroom with one sink, building a corner cabinet for towels, etc.....

Does your sink have to stay where it is? It looks like it may get in the way if used much as an eat-in kitchen.
Title: Re: 30x40 Earth Berm Passive Solar in Maine
Post by: Bishopknight on January 08, 2009, 05:07:44 PM
I was thinking about that MaineRhino. Theres pros and cons to both sides. As a guy, I tend to keep a dirty sink  ;D

Either way, I have some flexibility with the DWV piping for either sink.

Just priced out R-38 attic insulation. I'll need 19 rolls at $54.34 per, so thats $1023 + tax to insulate the ceiling. I wouldn't normally insulate right now, it'd be straight onto interior framing but the ice on the slab is obviously holding me back. I'm going to pick up 3, 50lb bags of Calcium Chloride for $20 ea and distribute them in 13x29 ft areas.  I have a feeling the reddy heater wont melt much unless I insulate the inside somewhat. We'll see.

Title: Re: 30x40 Earth Berm Passive Solar in Maine
Post by: Redoverfarm on January 08, 2009, 05:50:19 PM
I would be careful with the calcium chloride.  Your concrete is still what you would consider "green" even given the recent age.  That stuff is hard on seasoned concrete let alone concrete that is just a couple months old.  I think I would rent a bigger heater and or insulate the ceiling to hold the heat better.  Not to sound critical but there is times in winter construction that you just have to hold off on somethings.  The winter sneaks up on you and you didn't get done what you anticipated doing. Been there and done that.   
Title: Re: 30x40 Earth Berm Passive Solar in Maine
Post by: Bishopknight on January 08, 2009, 05:56:21 PM
Thanks John.

I knew rock salt was a definite no but I read online Calcium would be alright, but the last thing I want to do is ruin my green slab. I'll probably look more into the insulate and heat route. I should be able to melt it that way.
Title: Re: 30x40 Earth Berm Passive Solar in Maine
Post by: soomb on January 09, 2009, 01:14:22 AM
What program did you use for your layout?
Title: Re: 30x40 Earth Berm Passive Solar in Maine
Post by: Bishopknight on January 09, 2009, 11:23:26 AM
Hey Soomb,

3D Home Architect Design Suite Deluxe 8.

Planning has beginning on the electrical layout...

I'll be doing most of it myself. Electrical is one of my comfortable areas as I've wired my entire solar setup myself already. I'm reading Rex Cauldwells, "Wiring a House" to fill in the knowledge I'm missing. Also I'll hire an electrician to come in as a consultant to double check my work and do the main panel connections. I have 9 circuits so far. I think I've balanced the power requirements up nicely. I have quite a bit of room over the washer dryer closet to put the electrical box, solar panel batteries, charge controller and inverter. The goal is grid-tied when I get the money for the equipment. But for the time being, I'd like to power one or more areas of my house using my solar panels, and add to that as I can with scalability in mind. That mainly would entail having 2 power boxes, next to each other, one solar fed, the other grid fed, with the ability to move a circuit to one box or the other. Initially, I would probably have lower energy circuits like the master bedroom and/or bathroom/guest BR circuits feeding off the solar setup.

1. Guest bedroom / Bathroom
--- 6 outlets
--- 2 lights
--- 1 fan exhaust
--- 2 switches

2. Master bedroom
--- 1 exterior outlet
--- 4 outlets
--- 2 lights
--- 2 switches ( 1 ceiling fan type )

3. Living room
--- 4 outlets
--- 2 lights
--- 3 switches ( 1 ceiling fan type, 2 3-way type )

4. Office
--- 1 exterior outlet
--- 3 outlets
--- 1 light
--- 1 switch

5. Kitchen Lights
--- 6 lights
--- 2 switches ( 2 dimmer style )

6. Kitchen Outlets
--- Dish washer power
--- 6 standard outlets
--- Microwave power
--- Fridge power

7. Stove

8. Utility / Cold Cellar
--- 2 lights
--- 2 switches
--- 3 outlets
--- Water compressor pump
--- Water heater? ( may not use electrical )

9. Washer Dryer

Title: Re: 30x40 Earth Berm Passive Solar in Maine
Post by: MountainDon on January 09, 2009, 11:52:45 AM
Quote from: Bishopknight on January 09, 2009, 11:23:26 AM
I have quite a bit of room over the washer dryer closet to put the electrical box, solar panel batteries, charge controller and inverter.

Just a quick note for now. IIRC, by NEC code, an electrical breaker panel can not be placed over appliances or even counter tops as you describe. There's supposed to be a certain minimum clear floor area below and in front of the panel. 36" by 30" wide comes to mind. There's a certain minimum headroom as well. And no panels in closets or bathrooms.

Inverters are not to be placed above batteries; that's NEC as well.

Title: Re: 30x40 Earth Berm Passive Solar in Maine
Post by: Bishopknight on January 09, 2009, 01:27:15 PM
Thanks for the heads up MountainDon.

I have another place I can put the panels, inside the office. I still might put the batteries to the left over the washer dryer and the inverter to the right.

There is no electrical inspections required where I'm building my house but I want to conform to code as much as possible.
Title: Re: 30x40 Earth Berm Passive Solar in Maine
Post by: Bishopknight on January 11, 2009, 08:46:37 PM
Sunday update:

MaineRhino visited saturday with his heater and tried to help melt the ice on my slab. Being a rookie, I thought both of our heaters would be enough to melt it........err, um, It barely put a dent in it with 170k BTUs blasting! Soooo, that meant plan B, insulate! Luckily I had that delivered yesterday morning. R38 fiberglass bats to the rescue!

M.R. installed all the vent plastic for the eaves and then helped me insulate a couple rows. Here's what we got done. It was a huge help! Thanks again M.R! I owe ya.

(https://i221.photobucket.com/albums/dd261/bishopknight1977/100_5069.jpg)

(https://i221.photobucket.com/albums/dd261/bishopknight1977/100_5070.jpg)

After I was spoiled with M.Rs help, I decided to bring up the spare hay bail I had to my neighbor. That way I could I could offer her boyfriend a little work today. He accepted and we finished up the rest before it got dark. I didn't take any in-progress pics, just ones at the end shown as below. I still need 1 more roll of insulation to fill the ends but it will be ready to heat next weekend. I'll probably also build the new door opening and move the remaining window to the current doorway after I fix its rough opening.

(https://i221.photobucket.com/albums/dd261/bishopknight1977/100_5076.jpg)

(https://i221.photobucket.com/albums/dd261/bishopknight1977/100_5073.jpg)

(https://i221.photobucket.com/albums/dd261/bishopknight1977/100_5072.jpg)

p.s: I bought scaffolding and It was worth its weight in gold!
Title: Re: 30x40 Earth Berm Passive Solar in Maine
Post by: Redoverfarm on January 11, 2009, 09:08:51 PM
BK that should make a world of difference when you put heat into the space now.  It might take some time to get it all defrosted but it should soften it up and with the aid of a barnyard scraper you should have a ice free floor before too long.  Not to mention a more confortable work space dispite the outside temps. 
Title: Re: 30x40 Earth Berm Passive Solar in Maine
Post by: soomb on January 11, 2009, 09:13:50 PM
Looking good.  Insulation question:  Will your home have the EPS foam (same as under slab) on the exterior of the walls prior to the earth being bermed against the home?
Title: Re: 30x40 Earth Berm Passive Solar in Maine
Post by: glenn kangiser on January 11, 2009, 09:29:02 PM
It's great that you guys were able to get together and work on this. 

I always enjoy meeting other CP members and getting to work together or just have conversation with like minded people.
Title: Re: 30x40 Earth Berm Passive Solar in Maine
Post by: Redoverfarm on January 11, 2009, 09:53:02 PM
Glenn you are welsome to come and work with me if you are feeling left out.  ;D
Title: Re: 30x40 Earth Berm Passive Solar in Maine
Post by: glenn kangiser on January 11, 2009, 10:04:16 PM
I'd really like that, John, if it wasn't that little 2700 mile gap between here and there.
Title: Re: 30x40 Earth Berm Passive Solar in Maine
Post by: Bishopknight on January 11, 2009, 10:05:22 PM
Glenn, The like minded part is a scary thought  ;D

John, I could already tell a difference!

Soomb, yep, once the exterior is waterproofed, I plan on insulating it with 2" of XPS foam as well.

Btw, if I had to guess right now, the whole house has cost close to $20,000 so far. With another $20k, it will be finished, I guarantee that........ Just doing my part to "stimulate the economy"  ;D

Title: Re: 30x40 Earth Berm Passive Solar in Maine
Post by: glenn kangiser on January 11, 2009, 10:13:38 PM
Quote from: Bishopknight on January 11, 2009, 10:05:22 PM
Glenn, The like minded part is a scary thought  ;D
;D



Break the mirrors, BK.  You won't want to see yourself like this... [waiting]
Title: Re: 30x40 Earth Berm Passive Solar in Maine
Post by: soomb on January 11, 2009, 11:16:26 PM
to 20k and 20K is construction cost only (not land)?
Title: Re: 30x40 Earth Berm Passive Solar in Maine
Post by: Bishopknight on January 12, 2009, 07:55:59 AM
Right Soomb, construction cost, not land.

Slab (total cost) - $5000
16" Blocks/SBC - $1700
2x/ply/nails - $1500
Anderson 400 series windows ( craigslist ) - $1300
Premade Trusses - $2500
Advantech 5/8" sheathing - $1000
I/W Underlayment - $320
AR Shingles - $1200
Tool rental - $200
R38 Insulation/strapping - $1100
Labor - $4000


$19,820 roughly so far.

The large purchases ahead are the kitchen cabinets, appliances, stove, exterior foam insulation, bitumene membrane, drywall and interior doors. If I do most of it myself, I should be able to finish the house a little under $30,000 ( around $25 sq ft ). I buy from a local lumberyard so they give me contractor pricing. Often times, its cheaper than Lowes and the wood is straighter and the delivery is free.

Note: I do not include tool purchases in the cost, like a scaffolding or reddy heater for example. Since I will use those when I build the garage.
Title: Re: 30x40 Earth Berm Passive Solar in Maine
Post by: Sassy on January 12, 2009, 01:51:20 PM
You've really moved along quickly - lookin good!  Keep posting pix as you progress  :)
Title: Re: 30x40 Earth Berm Passive Solar in Maine
Post by: karnf on January 13, 2009, 11:18:38 AM
Hey Bishopknight,
Let me first say thanks so much for all your info on building for you are an inspiration to all of us and have
been so helpful to others building their their little paradise.
From a cajun living in Maryland but would love to be so lucky to live in your part of paradise; I visited twice
your beautiful state a couple of years ago and swear I left a part of my heart there and long to go back.
We are building a 12x20 pole barn cabin in western Maryland and are looking for exterior siding. I noticed
your 12x16 has red cedar shakes and I really like the look for we have a green door and metal roof and like
the rustic look of yours. I wanted to ask you about the pros and cons you have experienced so far with the
siding. On craigslist, someone was selling 11 bundles of grade #1 red cedar medium shakes for $500. Is this
a good deal in your opinion and would it cover my sq footage? I am confused for he stakes that one bundle
covers 100sq ft. But on cedar websites it states that 5 bundles cover 100sq ft? Can you offer any info?
Title: Re: 30x40 Earth Berm Passive Solar in Maine
Post by: Bishopknight on January 13, 2009, 12:07:12 PM
Hi Karnf,

My pleasure. Sometimes I think I am divulging too much information but it really is with the intent to eliminate the guesswork for people considering these projects. When I hear how much its helps someone, I know its worth it.

As for the cedar shake siding. Here's some additional details. First of all, that craigslist ad doesn't strike me as a good deal. I was buying #2 grade at around $20 a bundle and was very happy with the quality. Yes there are imperfections but I would be happy to use it on my main house. The #1 grades at the Lowes/Home Depots around Maine are in the $40-50 range per bundle and the pre-stained were slightly more.That's why I don't feel its a good deal, especially if prices are the same down there. I think you could probably get a better deal through a lumber yard, since you will probably be buying 20 bundles. Another thing people don't know is that the quality of lumber at Lowes/HD is not very good compared to Lumber yards. They buy the cheapest stuff in bulk so they can hit their margins. Lumber yards have to deal with contractors who have higher quality standards. As for the amount you'll need, I think I bought about 10-12 bundles for my little cabin alone. If I was you, I would call 2 lumber yards and compete one against the other. I sometimes call Hammond Lumber here, find out their lowest price, then call my lumber yard and see what they'll give me. If its higher, I'll tell them what Hammond can do it for and they usually beat them to keep my business.

A trick with laying shingles flat and fast is to nail a 12-16' straight 1x4 board below the next rows snapped line and then lay the shingles on the board as you shoot them. A friend helping makes it go much faster as well.

(http://lh6.ggpht.com/_RurR-jJH_sI/SLxhfRRwT0I/AAAAAAAAB-Q/ZrxPkJau4Mw/s800/100_0414.jpg)

As for attaching the shingles. I used a cordless Ryobi One brad nailer with 1 1/4" brads. It worked pretty good most of the time. There are the occasional brads that needed hammering down because they hit some tough wood.

Anyways, I hope that helps a little.
Title: Re: 30x40 Earth Berm Passive Solar in Maine
Post by: karnf on January 13, 2009, 12:27:31 PM
Whey,
Thanks for letting me know before I regret my purchase and your constant wealth of helpful info.
Title: Re: 30x40 Earth Berm Passive Solar in Maine
Post by: glenn kangiser on January 13, 2009, 01:11:14 PM
I think the taboo on divulging prices etc. stems from the old days and trade protection by not giving out knowledge.  My BIL used to drive me crazy with his unfounded superstition or whatever it was on not giving out price information.

So it will help someone.  Big deal... lets talk about it.  Thanks BK.  The trades are pretty well done anyway and serve no useful purpose for most of us for our own use.  Yes - I'm in the trades, and I may reserve info from the people who are not smart enough to show up here. d*
Title: Re: 30x40 Earth Berm Passive Solar in Maine
Post by: MountainDon on January 13, 2009, 01:25:14 PM
I've never understood companies with policies that prohibit giving prices over the phone. I hadn't run into that for a long time until a couple months ago. I was checking the price of refilling a 20# propane bottle. The local station that actually refills bottles, not just an exchange station, refused to price over the phone. To me, refusing a price quote over the phone removes that business from the list of places to do business. I figure they have something to hide and it's not their low price.
Title: Re: 30x40 Earth Berm Passive Solar in Maine
Post by: karnf on January 13, 2009, 01:55:54 PM
Sorry BK,
I think I may have worded my response wrong. I THANK YOU for your constant wealth of info. I didn't
want to regret a purchase that may have been a bad deal. The guy emailed me back and said he paid
$220 a bundle of shake with a 20 year warranty. Must be REALLY Gold Cedar Shakes. He seemed to
think I would have enough to cover the 12x20 cabin.
Title: Re: 30x40 Earth Berm Passive Solar in Maine
Post by: karnf on January 13, 2009, 02:06:01 PM
BK,
The guy just emailed me and dropped the price of all 11 bundles to $250 for all to get rid of. Seems
you have to use a lot of nails. How many do you use for each shake or do you just place the board
over the shakes and nail that as you showed in the pic you sent.
Title: Re: 30x40 Earth Berm Passive Solar in Maine
Post by: Bishopknight on January 13, 2009, 02:17:23 PM
That sounds like a good deal at that price.

The nails are around $10 for a 1000 brads. Very cheap. I think I used a couple thousand so if there's a 5000 pack, get that. They say to put 2 per shingle but on the wider ones, I put 3 or 4 sometimes. Make sure you get the galvanized kind.

(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/41o0e-gMtGL._SL500_AA280_.jpg)
Title: Re: 30x40 Earth Berm Passive Solar in Maine
Post by: Jochen on January 13, 2009, 02:26:46 PM
Karnf,

No, the board is just a guide which Bishopsknight used. It will be removed after you have finished that row. I think you will need two nails per shingle. Take a look at the following link: http://www.cedarbureau.org/installation/wall-manual.htm (http://www.cedarbureau.org/installation/wall-manual.htm) which should give you some helpful informations.

Jochen
Title: Re: 30x40 Earth Berm Passive Solar in Maine
Post by: HomeschoolMom on January 13, 2009, 03:49:32 PM
BK, I too really appreciate your breakdown of cost.  The unknown is the scarry part and when we have an idea of what it is costing, it seems so much more manageable.

I love coming here on Monday mornings for your updates, especially with pics! :D
Title: Re: 30x40 Earth Berm Passive Solar in Maine
Post by: soomb on January 13, 2009, 07:19:58 PM
BK, I want to add my kudos to your willingness to discuss cost.  It has been a great help in seeing what things cost vs what we pay for when we buy what the builder is selling.  The budget numbers I had in my head (no basis in fact) were way off.  Thank you and keep up the good work.
Title: Re: 30x40 Earth Berm Passive Solar in Maine
Post by: Bishopknight on January 13, 2009, 11:46:48 PM
Thanks Homeschoolmom and Soomb  ;D

Btw, I learned today that scissor trusses indeed halve the pitch on the interior of the roof. So in my case, my 6/12 pitch becomes a 3/12 interior cathedral ceiling. This is also useful when using my speed square to calculate diagonals for the interior framing.

This picture shows a 6/12 pitch example. (I'll be using the 3). The side where its labeled "plumb cut" is where you would mark and cut. Sean and Runar taught me this 2 weeks ago.
(http://zo-d.com/stuff/framing/images/Swanson_speed_Square_plumb_cut.jpg)
Title: Re: 30x40 Earth Berm Passive Solar in Maine
Post by: speedfunk on January 14, 2009, 12:08:07 PM

good job BK.  I'm liking the ceiling.  As far as trusses go you def made a good choice.  It still has that nice open cathedral feel.

Title: Re: 30x40 Earth Berm Passive Solar in Maine
Post by: soomb on January 14, 2009, 12:18:19 PM
BK, will the cores of the block wall be left empty?
Title: Re: 30x40 Earth Berm Passive Solar in Maine
Post by: Bishopknight on January 14, 2009, 01:50:15 PM
Thanks Jeff,

Soomb, yes. Primarily because pouring sand in them at the time would've been a very arduous task. Plus I felt that the overall weight of the blocks and slab combined ( around 125 tons ) was more than enough insulated thermal mass already. I suppose we'll find out next winter.    c*
Title: Re: 30x40 Earth Berm Passive Solar in Maine
Post by: karnf on January 14, 2009, 02:20:21 PM
Thanks Jochen for the cedar shake website; very helpful.
Hey Bishopknight! Please help. Remember the guy who was selling the #1 grade cedar shakes at $250?
We got the sale but now my husband is kinda backing out for he says he knows little of the shake concept
but thinks it seems like a lot of work but knows it is a good deal. How long did it take you to install? He is
kinda worried for we are having a very cold snap and may have to wait to put on till spring. Can you help
me convince him but be honest. Is it worth the work involved? I have reading that the shakes last a long
time and these are cert-label and roof shakes which are stronger than shingles. How is yours holding up
and has it turned grey yet? Please anyone else's advise is welcomed.
Title: Re: 30x40 Earth Berm Passive Solar in Maine
Post by: Bishopknight on January 14, 2009, 03:20:20 PM
Hi Karnf,

Its a repetitive, boring yet easy job. It does take a while to do. If I had to guess how long it took for the 12x16 cabin, I'd say 30 hrs.

Mine is still golden colored, hasn't really greyed yet.

Whether its worth the work involved is dependent on your personal taste. I would say for me, it was a little more expensive and time consuming that I thought initially but it looks nice and rustic.

Considering I even have siding is an accomplishment, Tyvek homewrap seems to be the final exterior siding of choice in Western Maine d*
Title: Re: 30x40 Earth Berm Passive Solar in Maine
Post by: Mike 870 on January 14, 2009, 04:10:51 PM
Quote from: Bishopknight on January 14, 2009, 03:20:20 PM
Considering I even have siding is an accomplishment, Tyvek homewrap seems to be the final exterior siding of choice in Western Maine d*

Ha so true
Title: Re: 30x40 Earth Berm Passive Solar in Maine
Post by: Bishopknight on January 21, 2009, 03:39:18 PM
No new updates, just a couple of notes of interest as below zero temps as of recent have swayed me from attempting to melt the ice on the slab. This weekend is looking to be in the teens again so I might fore go heating it another weekend, but we'll see.

On a positive note, this time of the year, Lowes seems to be clearing out old inventory and deals are to be had. I scored a Stainless Steel Whirlpool over-range microwave for $133, over 50% off. I also got 26 brushed nickel cabinet handles, normally $3.99 each for .25 cents a piece. I scooped up some mis-tinted 1gal latex paint for .25 cents also. I learned once that you can toss 5 gallons of latex paint in a big bucket, mix it up and you have 5 gallons of good primer paint for a few dollars. Most of the time it will come out grey because of the mix of colors.

As for web deals, I bought 10 white GFCI outlets on ebay for $54 with free shipping. A good deal considering I saw them recently running $29 per 3 pack at Lowes.  10 GFCI will give me 7 outlets in the kitchen and 3 in the bathroom.

Lastly I setup an account with Central Maine Power and started a work order for electrical connections. They are sending out a connection package along with a 1360 - certificate of electrical inspection for a licensed electrician to sign off on. I've decided to go with 12/2 for the entire house for ease of wiring.

Title: Re: 30x40 Earth Berm Passive Solar in Maine
Post by: jstig on January 21, 2009, 06:18:05 PM
Hi Karnf,
You posted a message awhile back on one of my posts.  If you remember I also am planning to build in Garrett County, MD.   I would be interested in seeing some pics of your project - hopefully you can post some.  Your pole structure sounds like an interesting project...

Jim

BK,
Sorry to have hijacked your post....
I am in awe of your earth berm project - very ambitious but you seem to be handling it well!   Your 12 x 16 is more what I plan to build - more of a weekend house - a place to escape from the ever growing Baltimore/Washington area.  I like the cedar shingles too - nice rustic look. 
Title: Re: 30x40 Earth Berm Passive Solar in Maine
Post by: glenn kangiser on January 21, 2009, 09:46:47 PM
Hey BK, you don't have to put the GFCI outlets in every one if you feed off of the first one then the rest are protected, but you would want a minimum of the first one in the line to be GFI.   they will say line and load - the load ones are protected after the first one.  You would want at least a couple circuits in the kitchen anyway -- just though I'd mention that.
Title: Re: 30x40 Earth Berm Passive Solar in Maine
Post by: MountainDon on January 21, 2009, 10:26:49 PM
Quote from: Bishopknight on January 21, 2009, 03:39:18 PM
I've decided to go with 12/2 for the entire house for ease of wiring.

Have you worked with 12/2 before?

I like to stay away from it if the circuit doesn't require it. It is stiffer and more difficult to work with in boxes. That may be just me, but I thought I'd mention it.

And yes, re those GFCI's. As Glenn mentioned you only need one per circuit. Anything downstream from the properly wired GFCI is protected. You need GFCI outlets for for any outdoor receptacles, bathroom, if within 36" of tub, shower, or basin), kitchen counter ( 2 circuits that do just counters,...) ... That's to meet NEC

Also NEC requires use of AFCI breakers for bedrooms. $$$



Title: Re: 30x40 Earth Berm Passive Solar in Maine
Post by: glenn kangiser on January 21, 2009, 11:58:17 PM
http://www.handymanwire.com/articles/AFCI.html

Hadn't seen that one yet.  What will they think of next?  Maybe a breaker that jumps out of the box and runs across the room and jerks a cigarette out of a sleeping persons mouth while smoking in bed? hmm
Title: Re: 30x40 Earth Berm Passive Solar in Maine
Post by: Bishopknight on January 22, 2009, 01:36:59 PM
Rack another one up for the newbie

Thanks guys, I didn't know that. Makes sense though. I already ordered them so I cant return them. I might as well use them even though its technically a waste. At least if I ever go to sell it, it will be apparent to the buyer/inspector that each of those outlets is GFCI protected  :-\

Regarding the 12/2: I read a couple different places that if you're building your own house, you should do the whole thing 12/2 to eliminate confusion, but I can see how it would be more expensive, unnecessary in some low current demanding zones and harder to bend and work with.

I'm probably going to have an electrician meet me out there when the time is right to go over everything.
Title: Re: 30x40 Earth Berm Passive Solar in Maine
Post by: MountainDon on January 22, 2009, 01:50:40 PM
If you run things one line at a time, point to point and connect that to the breaker in the box there should be no confusion.   :-\

Start with marking where things go. Then install all the boxes for that circuit. Run the wires as above. Be sure to leave enough end at each box.

Then go to the second circuit, and so on.

Works best if you draw it all out first so it's easy to follow.

Title: Re: 30x40 Earth Berm Passive Solar in Maine
Post by: Dog on January 22, 2009, 04:15:38 PM
Hey Bishop...maybe you can sell the GFCI outlets on CL if you've changed your mind about them.

Congrats on all those good deals! I've done that with paint before. Actually lucked out with some really cool colors!

I thought for sure you were up there all weekend concentrating on melting the indoor skating rink.... :P Scouting out the good deals is probably a better use of time and energy. Good Luck
Title: Re: 30x40 Earth Berm Passive Solar in Maine
Post by: ListerD on January 24, 2009, 10:08:36 AM
Bishop - INCREDIBLE job! Simply amazing what you've gotten done in the few weeks since I've looked in.


As to wiring, I'd also read 12/2 was best to use. Looks like I need to read some more ;)

Don's point is good too, we plan on single runs to each room. Possibly even breaking it down to 2 circuits per room (large bays actually not small rooms). One would cover wall outlets and the other would be lighting and ceiling fans. Part of the reason for this is easy transition to off grid power in the long term.

I talked to a couple electricians who had recently done conversions where homes had added in solar/wind power and there were a few issues that wound up costing a lot more in labor and materials. Both electricians recommended the two circuit plan since they could easily be moved from one main panel to the solar sub panel (actually a full sized panel) during the transition. I hope I explained it clear enough. Does this make sense to you guys?

Title: Re: 30x40 Earth Berm Passive Solar in Maine
Post by: glenn kangiser on January 24, 2009, 11:46:44 AM
I believe most plugs are only rated for 15 amps so 14/2 w/ground will carry it, but I also go 12ga as I never know when I may want to use the electric chainsaw in the great room. d* 

I did not want to mess with any 12v circuits so invert everything to 120/240 as needed.  Once you have built up to handle the inverter loss, then everything else is pretty efficient.  I don't use the search feature where the inverter rests at low poswer - it's a pain - some things don't like it - such as 1 cfl on at a time won't activate the inverter.
Title: Re: 30x40 Earth Berm Passive Solar in Maine
Post by: ScottA on January 24, 2009, 11:53:19 AM
I used 12 ga. for my recepticals but 14 ga for the lights.
Title: Re: 30x40 Earth Berm Passive Solar in Maine
Post by: MountainDon on January 24, 2009, 12:04:39 PM
Quote from: ListerD on January 24, 2009, 10:08:36 AM
One would cover wall outlets and the other would be lighting and ceiling fans. Part of the reason for this is easy transition to off grid power in the long term.

Assuming any lights will be CFL or some other form of fluorescent light making each room/area have it's own circuit doesn't make a lot of sense to me. The power draw for a CFL is very low. Each circuit has it's own breaker = $$. With the power draw for lights so low, nothing wrong with 14/2, IMO.

As for outlets, in an off grid home there are probably not going to be as many high wattage loads as in the typical US home, which is what electricians and code folks are used to. Using an electric heater for example is on the list oh highly impractical appliances unless you have loads of batteries and panels, or are also grid tied. Again, IMO. So you likely don't need a lot of 20 amp 12/2 wiring.

As for switching from one panel to another when converting to solar... I don't follow that unless you are going to leave some circuits on the grid and some circuits totally solar/inverter powered. The panels don't care where the power is coming from.  ???

Two panels (both as mains) can be a good idea if you are grid tied and also have some batteries and an inverter for back up when the grid goes down. That would require circuits to "must have" things like the outlets the refrigerator or freezer plugs into to be independent of the rest of the house. When the grid fails the inverter would automatically switch on to provide AC power to those circuits. When the grid would come back the inverter would switch back to passing grid power through to those circuits. May not be worth the expense unless your grid is very unreliable.   ???

Assuming by converting to solar you mean switching to AC power from an inverter powered by batteries. If you mean switching to 12 VDC circuits, that's a whole different ball of wax.
Title: Re: 30x40 Earth Berm Passive Solar in Maine
Post by: MountainDon on January 24, 2009, 12:07:35 PM
Quote from: glenn kangiser on January 24, 2009, 11:46:44 AM
I believe most plugs are only rated for 15 amps so 14/2 w/ground will carry it,

Yep, there are special 20 amp outlets. They are not needed in most locations. Good for a big window A/C un it or tools in the workshop. "Things" that need 20 amp circuits have plugs with one of the blades set at right angles.
Title: Re: 30x40 Earth Berm Passive Solar in Maine
Post by: ListerD on January 24, 2009, 12:15:39 PM
Quote from: glenn kangiser on January 24, 2009, 11:46:44 AM
I believe most plugs are only rated for 15 amps so 14/2 w/ground will carry it, but I also go 12ga as I never know when I may want to use the electric chainsaw in the great room. d* 

OK, you owe me a keyboard! I just spewed coffee everywhere!  [rofl2]

[chainsaw] [chainsaw]
Title: Re: 30x40 Earth Berm Passive Solar in Maine
Post by: ListerD on January 24, 2009, 12:20:59 PM
Quote from: MountainDon on January 24, 2009, 12:04:39 PM
Two panels (both as mains) can be a good idea if you are grid tied and also have some batteries and an inverter for back up when the grid goes down. That would require circuits to "must have" things like the outlets the refrigerator or freezer plugs into to be independent of the rest of the house. When the grid fails the inverter would automatically switch on to provide AC power to those circuits. When the grid would come back the inverter would switch back to passing grid power through to those circuits. May not be worth the expense unless your grid is very unreliable.   ???

That's pretty much the exact reason in your last sentence. Neighbors say there's at a 5-7 day average outage in the winter due to ice storms. They've lived there 10 years and it's held true every year.

We plan to remain grid tied and use that for the heaviest load periods and for obvious other needs (charging when there's been little to no sun, power the heaviest power tools and etc).

Bishop - Maybe I missed it. Do you plan on any alternative power?
Title: Re: 30x40 Earth Berm Passive Solar in Maine
Post by: soomb on January 24, 2009, 12:23:16 PM
Man oh man do I love these discussions.  learning learning learning!
Title: Re: 30x40 Earth Berm Passive Solar in Maine
Post by: MountainDon on January 24, 2009, 12:28:37 PM
So then ListerD, it would seem to make the most sense to divide the system while the house is being wired and have the two separate panels right up front. Makes it easier than fishing wires later.

I'm so used to having underground service I forget about aerial wire storm problems. Years ago we would have frequent outages due to contractor digging errors. But not many at all in the past decade or so.

Title: Re: 30x40 Earth Berm Passive Solar in Maine
Post by: glenn kangiser on January 24, 2009, 02:30:36 PM
Quote from: ListerD on January 24, 2009, 12:15:39 PM
Quote from: glenn kangiser on January 24, 2009, 11:46:44 AM
I believe most plugs are only rated for 15 amps so 14/2 w/ground will carry it, but I also go 12ga as I never know when I may want to use the electric chainsaw in the great room. d* 

OK, you owe me a keyboard! I just spewed coffee everywhere!  [rofl2]

[chainsaw] [chainsaw]

I was going to say ..... the bedroom, but didn't want anyone to think I was weird.... [waiting]
Title: Re: 30x40 Earth Berm Passive Solar in Maine
Post by: glenn kangiser on January 24, 2009, 02:37:32 PM
You have to watch out with grid tied as many of the inverters for grid tied are not usable for off grid -- IE: The grid goes down - you are still without power, but then again you need to maintain an expensive battery bank for little reason. 

I have friends with 3000 watts of grid tied panels and when the power was out for a week during the fire they were without power for that week.  So there went the stuff in their freezer and fridge.
Title: Re: 30x40 Earth Berm Passive Solar in Maine
Post by: John_C on January 24, 2009, 02:39:14 PM
Quote...didn't want anyone to think I was weird....

[rofl2] :-X [rofl2]
Title: Re: 30x40 Earth Berm Passive Solar in Maine
Post by: glenn kangiser on January 24, 2009, 02:46:47 PM
::)
Title: Re: 30x40 Earth Berm Passive Solar in Maine
Post by: Bishopknight on January 24, 2009, 03:37:51 PM
Thanks everyone for your help. I'm definitely taking all opinions seriously.

I subscribed to Homepower earlier this morning and got serious about expanding my PV knowledge. I took screenshots of 2 possible layouts ( from articles ) that I may use to achieve a grid-tied ESP ( emergency service power ) setup.

I have a question: In a grid-tied battery backup system, is 48vdc my primary option? And why?

I really like the combiner box in the bottom left of this diagram. I read that the junction boxes of solar panels are only rated for 7amps each. If you daisy chain 3+ panels in a row, the wire is not rated to hold that current and may potentially fry the panel or drop amps.
These are not what I'm using, just screenshots of other peoples setups
(https://i221.photobucket.com/albums/dd261/bishopknight1977/utility-interactive-pv2.gif)

This is similar version from a different homepower article.
(https://i221.photobucket.com/albums/dd261/bishopknight1977/utility-interactive-pv.gif)


Title: Re: 30x40 Earth Berm Passive Solar in Maine
Post by: glenn kangiser on January 24, 2009, 04:19:37 PM
That is why I question the "professionals" that appear as authorities on some of this stuff.

As voltage goes up, current goes down and smaller wires are required.

3 -12 volt 100 watt panels produce 300 watts at 12 volts parallel or 25 amps, but 3-100 watt panels daisy chained produce 300 watts at 36 volts or 8.3 amps.  Our 125 watt x 12 v panels are about 10.4 amps

One of our 135 watt solar panels at 17 volts produces 7.94 amps.  They are daisy chained - (series) in two panels and paralleled in two.  Amp - hence larger wire sizes are required for parallel - not series.

They will always have a safety factor in their wire.  I think that what they are saying may be BS.  Maybe they want to sell combiner boxes.  The new outback inverters will take several daisy chained panels and the Grundfos pump we daisychained many panels together.
Title: Re: 30x40 Earth Berm Passive Solar in Maine
Post by: glenn kangiser on January 24, 2009, 04:23:35 PM
The bottom picture - while maybe a generalization, would lead you to believe that the batteries don't require a regulator - I wonder if that is really the case - doesn't seem it could be as possibly if it is sent to the grid things may be OK, but when the grid is down the batteries would get all of the power and be destroyed without regulation.

I think the reader has to already understand what these "pros" are saying to safely use their information.
Title: Re: 30x40 Earth Berm Passive Solar in Maine
Post by: MountainDon on January 24, 2009, 04:41:09 PM
Re: the first drawing. Connecting the panels in parallel like that is not wise, IMO. Connect them in series. HOWEVER to do that you need the right charge controller. The less expensive controllers may not be able to handle the voltage resulting from the series connection.

Also, that setup as drawn might have another problem DEPENDING on the panel being used. If the panels were of the nominal 12 VDC output variety, connected in parallel, using a typical low budget charge controller, on a cloudy day they may not be capable of putting out enough volts to actually get a charge into the batteries. (Seems like the batteries are wired for 12 VDC)

PV panel output voltages range all over the place, 12 to 50 VDC and even higher.
Title: Re: 30x40 Earth Berm Passive Solar in Maine
Post by: MountainDon on January 24, 2009, 04:48:33 PM
Are you planning to be grid tied? If so check with the power company to see what they allow. As well they may have a list of equipment that they authorize; it may not include everything out there in the marketplace.

Here in NM until a few years ago the power company did not allow grid tied PV systems to have a battery backup system. Now they do allow that but there must be an exterior manual transfer switch so the power company crew can disconnect or isolate the battery / inverter section from the system. This ensures the crew won't get zapped by the backup if the crew is working on the power grid side. Outside and not locked; they must be able to visually verify the circuit is broken.

I don't think either of those drawings are totally accurate. They don't show an AC disconnect or transfer switch. No DC fuses or breakers between the inverter and batteries. And as noted no charge controller in the second simplified system. (no neutral or grounds)
Title: Re: 30x40 Earth Berm Passive Solar in Maine
Post by: glenn kangiser on January 24, 2009, 05:39:08 PM
I question the value of drawings and information that are simplified enough to be dangerous.  That was a problem I had with Backwoods Home magazine also.
Title: Re: 30x40 Earth Berm Passive Solar in Maine
Post by: MountainDon on January 25, 2009, 12:50:46 AM
Here's the best drawing I've found showing a hybrid PV grid tie system with battery backup and a generator. It's from an Outback publication. Even it leaves out things like the disconnects, fuses and/or  breakers for the batteries and inverter..... It is a divided system; that is a sub-panel is used to power the essential electrical equipment; refrigerator/freezer, computer and internet, iron lung...  ;D

(https://i133.photobucket.com/albums/q75/djmillerbucket/oddsnends2/OutbackGridTieInteractive.jpg)

What's pictured shows a single inverter giving up to 3500 watts 120 VAC only; gets more complicated if you need backup 240 VAC or more watts total. The Outback inverter will automatically feed power to the sub-panel when the grid kicks off. It well also not use power from the grid to charge the batteries at night when there is no PV power. There are also examples of simpler systems.

Outbacks website (http://outbackpower.com) has loads of info resources, revolving around their products, of course. Goto
Resources | Documents | Brochures and download the Backup Power Solutions (http://outbackpower.com/pdf/brochures/Back_Up_Power_Solutions.pdf) PDF document. Another good one is the Grid-Interactive Solutions (http://outbackpower.com/pdf/brochures/Grid_Interactive_Systems_2.pdf) brochure. Lots of other stuff there to read.

Title: Re: 30x40 Earth Berm Passive Solar in Maine
Post by: glenn kangiser on January 25, 2009, 01:02:10 AM
I think Outback is much better than the generic unknown name grid only one I saw.  What use is grid only?  None for me.
Title: Re: 30x40 Earth Berm Passive Solar in Maine
Post by: MountainDon on January 25, 2009, 01:52:02 AM
FYI, Outback was founded by three engineers who used to work for Trace. After Trace became Xantrex they became disenchanted and set out to build the better equipment they wanted to build ans Xantrex did not. Or so the story goes.

Their equipment is US designed and US assembled. Some parts are imported to have competitive pricing. Still very good stuff, IMO.

Outback should pay me.  ;D ;D  Sorry if I exhibit a bias.
Title: Re: 30x40 Earth Berm Passive Solar in Maine
Post by: ListerD on January 25, 2009, 10:37:10 AM
Great info! Thanks  8)

But I have to ask, looking at their graphic in the pdf, what dork powers their toaster and coffee pot on a limited source like a battery backup? Kind of a heavy load no?  d* I'd liken that to having a water storage tank where the whole bottom is the valve, one use and it's all gone.  [cool]
Title: Re: 30x40 Earth Berm Passive Solar in Maine
Post by: glenn kangiser on January 25, 2009, 04:19:18 PM
Dork -- that's me. d* d* d*

We do the toaster, Microwave, coffee pot, welder, rock crusher, 1 1/2 horse water pump, washer, gas drier w/standard electric motor, etc.

Many of these loads are intermittent  - ie: not long periods of time so the overall draw doesn't kill the system if it is big enough.  Ours is larger than many but even a small system could take quite a bit. 

Our standard semi-efficient refrigerator is one of our heavy loads but we also have a smaller efficient 1934 GE Monitor Top refrigerator and 2 freezers.

An electric heater is another story.  Just the straight draw for a long period of time will kill the batteries.
Title: Re: 30x40 Earth Berm Passive Solar in Maine
Post by: ListerD on January 25, 2009, 06:35:30 PM
Quote from: glenn kangiser on January 25, 2009, 04:19:18 PM
Dork -- that's me. d* d* d*

Heh, oops  ;D  I just learned with our hunting cabin years ago that toasters and the like (anything with a heating element) was bad news. So I learned to do it over a fire.  8)

Quote from: glenn kangiser on January 25, 2009, 04:19:18 PM
We do the toaster, Microwave, coffee pot, welder, rock crusher, 1 1/2 horse water pump, washer, gas drier w/standard electric motor, etc.

How big is your system?
Title: Re: 30x40 Earth Berm Passive Solar in Maine
Post by: glenn kangiser on January 26, 2009, 01:02:21 AM
We have around 2600 watts of panels and a 1kw wind generator.  Since I put it on the tracker we  have around 15 kwh or more to play with per day.  More if we get some wind to play with.  More once I get more panels on the tracker.

The heaters are bad but if used intermittently they are not as bad. A propane cookstove, water heater - drier  can save a lot of electrical panels.  You are right about that.

Say 1000 watts for 6 minutes is only 1/10 kwh so doesn't kill the batteries too bad.  Still depends on the system.
Title: Re: 30x40 Earth Berm Passive Solar in Maine
Post by: Bishopknight on January 26, 2009, 04:07:04 PM
Ok,

So going 24v is making alot more sense now, especially with alot of cloudy days in Maine where with 12v, the current may not reach the charge controller.

I also agree, I've heard great things about Outback. My next goal is to find an inverter/charge controller by outback that will allow me to start with 6 panels but expand as well and be grid-tied. The search is on.

[update] - I might be able to use my existing Tri-star TS-45 along with a 24v inverter that has subpanel power hookups. I'm glad I have all this time to think about this. Its a complex subject of balancing cost and functionality. 
Title: Re: 30x40 Earth Berm Passive Solar in Maine
Post by: MountainDon on January 26, 2009, 06:44:59 PM
Outback makes 2 charge controllers. They differ only in the amps they can handle, 60 or 80. Max volts is the same.

Calculate your power needs first. Then the storage capacity needed. Depending on what you need for storage is sometimes easier to go to even 48 VDC as the system basis. No difference on the Outback equipment pricing.

The nice thing about going to a 48 VDC system is that you might be able to reduce or eliminate parallel strings. A single string of batteries or cells than can supply the required storage amount is ideal. Doing this may require the use of more expensive batteries in some cases. It's worth exploring before you buy equipment.

I'll have to add some of this to the off gid topic, or cross link.
Title: Re: 30x40 Earth Berm Passive Solar in Maine
Post by: glenn kangiser on January 26, 2009, 09:43:27 PM
Only bad thing about one string of batteries is that one bad battery or even cell and the whole system is down.  With parallel battery strings - you can keep the power going and weed out the bad ones.

Maybe Don knows a reason that isn't the best but it's what I do.
Title: Re: 30x40 Earth Berm Passive Solar in Maine
Post by: MountainDon on January 26, 2009, 10:59:58 PM
Answer is over HERE: (http://countryplans.com/smf/index.php?topic=6059.msg80709#msg80709)
Title: Re: 30x40 Earth Berm Passive Solar in Maine
Post by: Bishopknight on January 27, 2009, 12:46:09 PM
That makes sense.

I did some analysis of my current setup if I were to dedicate it to powering the new house office:

Batteries: 88 AH * 4 (qty) * 12v = 4224 WH

Office power demands: 240 watt = computer, monitor, printer, desk light, speakers ( used my kil-a-watt to get data )

My solar panels output: 130 ( watt ) * 3 ( qty ) * 4 ( hrs ) * .85 = 1326 WH

My panels will supply 5 hrs of usage per day. My batteries will store 3.5 days worth of charge.

Adding a 4th solar panel would allow 7 hrs of usage per day ( 1768 / 240 = 7.3 )

Title: Re: 30x40 Earth Berm Passive Solar in Maine
Post by: Mike 870 on January 27, 2009, 01:36:24 PM
Don't forget to correct for inverter inneficiency (if you're running one), and battery inneficiency.  Also I couldn't tell from your numbers what depth of discharge you are assuming for your batteries.

Another thing to consider is that batteries are sometimes rated for different speeds of discharge (discharged over X hours).   The amp hour rating can change accordingly.
Title: Re: 30x40 Earth Berm Passive Solar in Maine
Post by: Bishopknight on January 27, 2009, 02:17:04 PM
Good point mike,

My batteries were old to begin with ( used data backup batteries from the Gamestop Headquarters in Grapevine, TX ) so if I only get 2-2.5 days backup, they will do, until I buy some Rolls or Trojans.

My inverters name brand does not inspire confidence in me either, "Go Power!" LOL
Title: Re: 30x40 Earth Berm Passive Solar in Maine
Post by: EcoHeliGuy on January 30, 2009, 12:04:41 AM
First post,

Ok I have been studying building an earth bermed home, have rob boys book.

I see too things about you house I'm not sure about. Hoping you can shed some light.

First I understand what your saying about not worrying about frost in the foundation due to being bermed, but your not berming the front, so shouldn't you have lowered the footer here? I know you can insulat the ground area around, but I would have still gone lower in the front.

Second I do not see anything done about possible radon gas?

oh ya can you also keep posting the cost, I love this part. It helps alot.

Oh yes the stove air supply, I lived two hours east of Calais Maine, we tend to say "eh" alot, but anyway I know the moister problems we have and, I would have suggested poking hole in the bottom of that pipe in each rib, this would allow the moister to drip out.

and last I was wondering why you decided to berm so little on the side of the house?


Title: Re: 30x40 Earth Berm Passive Solar in Maine
Post by: Bishopknight on January 30, 2009, 09:29:57 AM
Hey McBane,

All good questions, I'll give you my personal viewpoint on them.

QuoteFirst I understand what your saying about not worrying about frost in the foundation due to being bermed, but your not berming the front, so shouldn't you have lowered the footer here? I know you can insulat the ground area around, but I would have still gone lower in the front.

My front is built up on 2-3 ft of sand pad, which resists frost heave. Also, this spring I plan to bury a skirt of XPS around the un-bermed areas of my foundation for peace of mind. The ground froze too fast after I poured my foundation that I could not do it last fall.

QuoteSecond I do not see anything done about possible radon gas?

I'll have a drainage skirt around my foundation that should vent the radon off.

QuoteOh yes the stove air supply, I lived two hours east of Calais Maine, we tend to say "eh" alot, but anyway I know the moister problems we have and, I would have suggested poking hole in the bottom of that pipe in each rib, this would allow the moister to drip out.

I am considering pouring a resin into the vent to mold into the bottom ribs, therefore creating a gradual dripway for the moisture to escape to. Personally I dont think it will be much of a problem though, we'll see.

Quoteand last I was wondering why you decided to berm so little on the side of the house?

I wanted windows partially on the sides. I didnt want to feel like I was looking out of a tunnel.

Thanks for the questions, feel free to ask anything.

- BK
Title: Re: 30x40 Earth Berm Passive Solar in Maine
Post by: Dog on January 31, 2009, 11:06:06 AM


Hey Bishop...it seems like your timing is working out really good. Since we're well into winter the building part has slowed. Good to be figuring out the power.

The days are already getting longer!  :)
Title: Re: 30x40 Earth Berm Passive Solar in Maine
Post by: Bishopknight on February 02, 2009, 01:22:46 PM
I'm not giving up yet Dog!

I went up there Saturday to try melting the ice. I had 70k and 115k BTU reddy heaters going for 5 hrs but was unsuccessful. The inside got up to about 80 degrees quickly but the thermal mass in the slab and walls was why the floor wouldn't melt.

I have a new plan though. ( I wish I thought of this up there! ). I may try again this weekend but in a different way. If I angle the heaters down at the slab and heat it up, I may be able to warm the cement slab floor up enough to create separation from/release the ice above it.  Atleast just enough so I can use this tool to get under the ice, pry it up, break it and toss it outside.

Sort of like peeling wallpaper, attack one area at a time.

(http://images.lowes.com/product/converted/010306/010306025201md.jpg)

I also bought another anderson 400 series, triple casement window for $200 this weekend. 6ft long by 3 ft tall.  Brand new, still in box, retail is $750 the guy said. He bought the wrong one for his house and couldn't return it.
Title: Re: 30x40 Earth Berm Passive Solar in Maine
Post by: Dog on February 02, 2009, 05:10:46 PM
 [waiting]
Oh this ought to be interesting.... :)
Title: Re: 30x40 Earth Berm Passive Solar in Maine
Post by: EcoHeliGuy on February 02, 2009, 05:56:11 PM
I would do it a little differently, Your right as to why it's not melting, But I would not do what your about to do to green cement.
Heat the house up again with the heaters, then use separate fans to blow at the floor. Reason being there will naturally be an air barrier do to hot air rising. By using a fan you are destroying the air cushion at the floor level. think of it as the window in your car, the interior can be hot, but the window will still fog up unless you blow air across it.  So use a fan to move tons of warm air across the surface, instead of blowing hot are in one spot and cooking the floor. nothing fancy, a couple of the osolating fans people use in the summer would work fine. Also do not remove all the water, water helps melt ice.
Title: Re: 30x40 Earth Berm Passive Solar in Maine
Post by: llamaman on February 02, 2009, 05:57:58 PM
Is there a reason you cant just salt the ice to loosen it up first c*
Title: Re: 30x40 Earth Berm Passive Solar in Maine
Post by: Redoverfarm on February 02, 2009, 05:58:57 PM
No Bishopknight  the heaters will not run in the verticle position.  ;D.  Just be careful that the flame is not directed to the concrete in close proximity.  It will scale it.   If you had someway to temporarily build an air chase say 4' wide and length depending on how much you wanted to tackle and direct the hot air through that chase.  I was thinking of saw horses 8-10' apart and 2X to bridge between them.  Then cover with plastic to create a square tunnel.  Once that melts the plastic  ;D just more it over a couple feet and repeat the process.

llamaman It is not good for completely cured concrete let alone some that I guess you could say still green in a way.
Title: Re: 30x40 Earth Berm Passive Solar in Maine
Post by: glenn kangiser on February 02, 2009, 10:25:58 PM
I don't think the concrete will get hot enough to pop if he uses a weed burner and a sump pump to pump the water out.  They used a weed burner to dry oil base polyurethane in the winter on stamped concrete with no problem at fasion fair mall a couple years ago.  Key is to not concentrate the heat more than enough to melt the ice to warm water.

How about a weed burner flaming directly on the ice to make hot water in holes that will melt more then pump in out with a small electric sump pump.  Make small holes so as not to have to heat up too much at one time - move - make another etc and keep pumping the holes out with the sump pump -

Just an example

http://www.flameengineering.com/Red_Dragon_Propane_Torch_K.html
Title: Re: 30x40 Earth Berm Passive Solar in Maine
Post by: Bishopknight on February 03, 2009, 10:55:12 AM
Thanks everyone.

I'll give these ideas a try and let you know how it goes.
Title: Re: 30x40 Earth Berm Passive Solar in Maine
Post by: EcoHeliGuy on February 10, 2009, 09:05:35 PM
Any update's from the weekend?

Title: Re: 30x40 Earth Berm Passive Solar in Maine
Post by: Bishopknight on February 11, 2009, 11:12:35 AM
Yes,

Pictures coming tonight hopefully. Left camera at friends house monday.

1. Removed 60% of ice on slab.
2. Installed 3 more windows
3. Bought and installed entry door

Btw, here is my latest floor plan and some shots of the kitchen and what I want the kitchen range hood to look like. ( if you can't see the pics below, let me know )

(http://lh3.ggpht.com/_RurR-jJH_sI/SZL4YqEKBKI/AAAAAAAAD3g/xCv1BKBwy2Y/s800/Feb-10th-09-layoutdiagram.jpg)

(http://lh3.ggpht.com/_RurR-jJH_sI/SZL5ec6H3oI/AAAAAAAAD3o/bczV1joCEfU/s800/Feb-10th-09-layoutdiagram1.jpg)

(http://www.shenandoahcabinetry.com/images/productLine/K_LW_Bluemont-Oak-Honey.jpg)
Title: Re: 30x40 Earth Berm Passive Solar in Maine
Post by: glenn kangiser on February 11, 2009, 12:22:48 PM
Cool, BK.  I'll bet that ice was a lot of work.

I don't see the range hood yet but got the floor plan and interior rendering.
Title: Re: 30x40 Earth Berm Passive Solar in Maine
Post by: Bishopknight on February 11, 2009, 12:37:42 PM
I fixed the pic above.

Ya it was ridiculous. I used a tile floor scraper initially then switched to the 10 lb sledgehammer. Sweat. Blisters. Hand cramps.
Title: Re: 30x40 Earth Berm Passive Solar in Maine
Post by: Sassy on February 11, 2009, 01:16:04 PM
Nice plan!  I love the range "hood" - sounds like you did some heavy duty hard labor
Title: Re: 30x40 Earth Berm Passive Solar in Maine
Post by: glenn kangiser on February 11, 2009, 01:19:32 PM
Nice range hood too.  That ice really sounds bad - I couldn't live like that.  2 inches of snow here today is plenty.
Title: Re: 30x40 Earth Berm Passive Solar in Maine
Post by: Dog on February 11, 2009, 01:32:00 PM
What planet did you say you're from?  :) 10lb sledgehammer...how fun!
The plans look really good.
Title: Re: 30x40 Earth Berm Passive Solar in Maine
Post by: soomb on February 12, 2009, 06:08:41 AM
looks good.  The design does not waste space with long hallways and the like, the open nature is sure to make it live big.  Look forward to your progress.
Title: Re: 30x40 Earth Berm Passive Solar in Maine
Post by: Bishopknight on February 13, 2009, 08:18:00 AM
Heres some pics finally, all in order. They aren't very good but you get sort of an idea of what I went through.

(https://i221.photobucket.com/albums/dd261/bishopknight1977/100_5084.jpg)

(https://i221.photobucket.com/albums/dd261/bishopknight1977/100_5087.jpg)

(https://i221.photobucket.com/albums/dd261/bishopknight1977/100_5088.jpg)

(https://i221.photobucket.com/albums/dd261/bishopknight1977/100_5089.jpg)

(https://i221.photobucket.com/albums/dd261/bishopknight1977/100_5091.jpg)

(https://i221.photobucket.com/albums/dd261/bishopknight1977/100_5094.jpg)

(https://i221.photobucket.com/albums/dd261/bishopknight1977/100_5095.jpg)

(https://i221.photobucket.com/albums/dd261/bishopknight1977/100_5096.jpg)
Title: Re: 30x40 Earth Berm Passive Solar in Maine
Post by: MaineRhino on February 13, 2009, 08:24:53 AM
Looks great BK!  Nice to see that ice finally melting, with some help of course!
Title: Re: 30x40 Earth Berm Passive Solar in Maine
Post by: glenn kangiser on February 13, 2009, 11:31:57 AM
Looks like a lot of work, BK.
Title: Re: 30x40 Earth Berm Passive Solar in Maine
Post by: fishing_guy on February 13, 2009, 11:36:13 AM
Shoveling the driveway is bad enough...let alone shoveling the inside of a house.  Ouch!
Title: Re: 30x40 Earth Berm Passive Solar in Maine
Post by: pickngrin on February 13, 2009, 12:00:54 PM
Looks like a ton of work, too bad they don't make a zamboni attachment for a lawn tractor. 

I noticed in the first picture of this series you've got a wall up with a window rough opening not fully framed.  Did you do that because you weren't sure the exact size window that would go there?  I noticed you've picked up many if not all of your windows through craigslist and I'm hoping to do the same thing, but it's almost impossible to know in advance what's going to be available through that type of source.  Of course plans and permits need to be taken care of in advance of actually building. 

I've enjoyed following your progress - best of luck the rest of the way.
Title: Re: 30x40 Earth Berm Passive Solar in Maine
Post by: Bishopknight on February 13, 2009, 12:21:45 PM
I wish it was only shoveling! Its more like, swing the sledgehammer as hard as you can into 5" of ice.  ;D

No no, I was just in the middle of framing the rough opening for that window.

The 4x3 Anderson window on the west wall, I most recently got off craigslist for, get this, only $25. Brand new in plastic wrap, 400 woodwright series. Evidentally the contractor wasn't going to use it and he thought no ones building lately so... It would probably be at least $250 new at Home Depot, guaranteed. The ad is still up, guess they haven't taken it down yet.  http://southcoast.craigslist.org/mat/1017423415.html (http://southcoast.craigslist.org/mat/1017423415.html)

As for windows and permits. I had a rough idea of what the window sizes would be for the permit and then looked for close sizes. As long as you're meeting egress code, I dont think any Code Enforcement Officer is going to have a problem with a window size off by a few inches.

I've got some tricks for Craigslist. Heres the link I use for searching 6 craigslist zones nearest to me. It uses a website tool called "crazedlist" which is great. Once you're done looking at one area, click the [X] so you don't have to scroll down. Its preselected for "materials" so I can just type in what I want. I normally keep it on "anderson 400" for obvious reasons...
http://www.crazedlist.org/index.cgi?areas=239,240,357,4,169,198,38&catAbbreviation=mat&query=anderson%20400&minAsk=min&maxAsk=max&thiscat=8&submit=Search (http://www.crazedlist.org/index.cgi?areas=239,240,357,4,169,198,38&catAbbreviation=mat&query=anderson%20400&minAsk=min&maxAsk=max&thiscat=8&submit=Search)

So heres my craigslist window breakdown. All of these are Anderson 300-400 series windows.

$400 (100/ea - 3x5 Double hung)
$100 ( 48" Half Round ( unused so far )
$693 (231/ea 3x6 Casement )
$200 (6x3 office window Casement )
$25   (3x4 Double Hung )
--------------------
$1,418 total

est retail price
--------------------
$3,880 + taxes and delivery

saved 64% off

Title: Re: 30x40 Earth Berm Passive Solar in Maine
Post by: glenn kangiser on February 13, 2009, 12:42:15 PM

Thanks for the link, BK.  That solves a problem I have had with Craig's list.
Title: Re: 30x40 Earth Berm Passive Solar in Maine
Post by: EcoHeliGuy on February 14, 2009, 01:34:21 AM
Do I see power cords running through water?  c*

I would get a wood stove in there as soon as possible.
Title: Re: 30x40 Earth Berm Passive Solar in Maine
Post by: glenn kangiser on February 14, 2009, 03:38:37 AM
Sassy and I drilled holes in the rain for 2 days last week - cords in puddles and everything.  I guess since the welder generator was on the truck and not grounded to earth it was isolated from us and not even a quivering muscle. [shocked]

I'm not that bad though -- If she would have gotten a serious shock I'd have kicked her loose.  ::)
Title: Re: 30x40 Earth Berm Passive Solar in Maine
Post by: Bishopknight on February 15, 2009, 10:25:08 PM
Some pics from this weekend

(http://lh4.ggpht.com/_RurR-jJH_sI/SZjamsMVDYI/AAAAAAAAD9M/Ea5O5Sb9Rlw/s1024/100_5113.JPG)

(http://lh5.ggpht.com/_RurR-jJH_sI/SZjauDuk6eI/AAAAAAAAD9g/nhUQz63eJfs/s1024/100_5119.JPG)

(http://lh3.ggpht.com/_RurR-jJH_sI/SZjat_I_0MI/AAAAAAAAD9Y/s4jAfy6Tf7I/s800/100_5118.JPG)

This is my girlfriend Grace who came up to help

(http://lh4.ggpht.com/_RurR-jJH_sI/SZjamM7bmWI/AAAAAAAAD88/fIdLIfv9wHI/s1024/100_5115.JPG)
Title: Re: 30x40 Earth Berm Passive Solar in Maine
Post by: glenn kangiser on February 15, 2009, 10:34:17 PM
Looks like you are gaining on it, BK. 

Nice to have good help.  I got Sassy to work in the rain last weekend. :)
Title: Re: 30x40 Earth Berm Passive Solar in Maine
Post by: Dog on February 16, 2009, 02:25:15 AM
Your girlfriend looks exactly like you!  ::) This has to be a match made in heaven!!  ;)

Love the new window. It's really nice and it looks like you conquered that ice.  [cool]
Title: Re: 30x40 Earth Berm Passive Solar in Maine
Post by: Bishopknight on February 16, 2009, 01:22:21 PM
When we got there yesterday, Grace and I spent about 3 hrs installing the door lockset. ( only $28 at lowes, clearance, normally $140 ) I probably took it apart 3-4 times because these locks are so complex now. Even though it took me a while, I'm glad I took my time on it. Its real annoying when a door job is rushed, you regret it. 

I bent my floor scraper I was breaking ice so hard with it. I should bring it back to Lowes and tell them its defective  ;D

I might just be getting too strong, I ripped the pull start cord off the generator too. I've put on 20 lbs since last year, (185lbs now) most of that is probably blubber from working in the cold  ;D
Title: Re: 30x40 Earth Berm Passive Solar in Maine
Post by: Dog on February 16, 2009, 02:12:33 PM
Bent the floor scraper... [waiting] wow... can't believe that happened. That thing looked like such a great idea in the beginning of the ice melting project...

Sorry. I can't help myself sometimes.

Grace...you must be a very special women!  d* 
Title: Re: 30x40 Earth Berm Passive Solar in Maine
Post by: Bishopknight on February 16, 2009, 04:12:59 PM
Not many women are willing or able to pick up a hammer. At least, not many I know.  ;D

Grace is always willing to help or learn something new. She helped work on the 12x16 cabin as well and did some painting, shingling, taping & bedding and light framing. Shes also very supportive of what I'm trying to accomplish. That's pretty important too  :D
Title: Re: 30x40 Earth Berm Passive Solar in Maine
Post by: Mike 870 on February 16, 2009, 08:22:42 PM
For some reaon I only get one of your pictures. 
Title: Re: 30x40 Earth Berm Passive Solar in Maine
Post by: llamaman on February 16, 2009, 09:14:31 PM
one pic is all i see too [frus]
Title: Re: 30x40 Earth Berm Passive Solar in Maine
Post by: MountainDon on February 16, 2009, 09:19:18 PM
Yes, BK, Reply #273 is only showing one image even though there are 4 image links.

This is the one I see... same for you others?
(http://lh3.ggpht.com/_RurR-jJH_sI/SZjat_I_0MI/AAAAAAAAD9Y/s4jAfy6Tf7I/s800/100_5118.JPG)
I shrunk this one.
Title: Re: 30x40 Earth Berm Passive Solar in Maine
Post by: Redoverfarm on February 16, 2009, 09:26:30 PM
I only saw one also but went to the link of your friend and pulled it up.  I right clicked and pulled up properties then copied and retrieved all the photos.  But I would say when I exit the thread they will disappear.

BK will you have to put jam extensions on the doors?  It looks like a narrower jam than the wall thickness. I had to do that the other day on an interior door. Jam was for a 4-1/2" and I had to make it for a 7" wall.  Used biscuits to extend.  Too much lumber to just finish nail the extension on.
Title: Re: 30x40 Earth Berm Passive Solar in Maine
Post by: glenn kangiser on February 17, 2009, 12:38:07 AM
I get all of the pix.
Title: Re: 30x40 Earth Berm Passive Solar in Maine
Post by: Bishopknight on February 17, 2009, 05:48:06 PM
I'll fix the pics tonight.

I just realized I made a mistake on the in-slab plumbing. There is no W&O ( Waste and Overflow ) pipe for the tub. There is just a waste, no overflow pipe.....but there is one possible work around. I can route the overflow into one of the pipe vents about 2 ft away but I still need to have a trap or else I'll have fumes once the trap water evaporates.

Does anyone know of a heart-valve type of trap for situations where the trap could dry out like in this situation?

(http://www.tpub.com/content/construction/14265/img/14265_169_2.jpg)
Title: Re: 30x40 Earth Berm Passive Solar in Maine
Post by: EcoHeliGuy on February 17, 2009, 09:29:33 PM
you might have to just raise the tub? is it built in or a stand alone like a claw foot?
Title: Re: 30x40 Earth Berm Passive Solar in Maine
Post by: glenn kangiser on February 18, 2009, 01:25:08 AM
I assume you brought the drain straight up to the bottom of the tub drain?  Couldn't you just break out the concrete - chisel a ditch to the overflow and tee it into the drain?  An air chisel would work - About $6 at Harbor Freight.



Title: Re: 30x40 Earth Berm Passive Solar in Maine
Post by: Dog on February 18, 2009, 12:06:53 PM
www.plumbingsupply.com has a ton of stuff.
Title: Re: 30x40 Earth Berm Passive Solar in Maine
Post by: Bishopknight on February 22, 2009, 12:56:39 PM
weekend update

i took friday off and went up to do some work.

I built an 8x8 work bench out of 2x10 cement pour footers and leftover 5/8 advantech sheathing.
(https://i221.photobucket.com/albums/dd261/bishopknight1977/100_5120.jpg)

Then hung a shop light over it and organized all the scrap wood into heavy duty plastic bins.

(https://i221.photobucket.com/albums/dd261/bishopknight1977/100_5127.jpg)

I layed plates for the office room because it was difficult to size without a stationary base.
(https://i221.photobucket.com/albums/dd261/bishopknight1977/100_5126.jpg)

A shot of the initial wall in place. I used the speed square at the 3/12 pitch angle to cut all the tops. I made sure sides were level and the french door Rough Opening was square and level as well.
(https://i221.photobucket.com/albums/dd261/bishopknight1977/100_5130.jpg)

Heres the next side, sized, then assembled on the ground. I cheated on one corner so I didnt have to cut a 2x4x 10'er. It was difficult dragging it 15 ft to the wall location by myself.
(https://i221.photobucket.com/albums/dd261/bishopknight1977/100_5131.jpg)

(https://i221.photobucket.com/albums/dd261/bishopknight1977/100_5132.jpg)

Applied 2 bags of SBC to another wall since the house was nice and warm. I'm waiting to see how this comes out before applying any more. If I have to, I'll wait till its warmer to apply but continue framing by leaving off the stud that lays flat against the block wall.
(https://i221.photobucket.com/albums/dd261/bishopknight1977/100_5133.jpg)

Last night I started assembling the bar/coat closet. This is as far as I got.
(https://i221.photobucket.com/albums/dd261/bishopknight1977/100_5134.jpg)

(https://i221.photobucket.com/albums/dd261/bishopknight1977/100_5137.jpg)
Title: Re: 30x40 Earth Berm Passive Solar in Maine
Post by: HomeschoolMom on February 22, 2009, 10:17:37 PM
BK, I am so excited for you!!!! :D ;D You are doing a great job!  I wish I was in the position to get started.
Title: Re: 30x40 Earth Berm Passive Solar in Maine
Post by: glenn kangiser on February 23, 2009, 01:37:38 AM
Looks great, BK.  Good progress.
Title: Re: 30x40 Earth Berm Passive Solar in Maine
Post by: Bishopknight on February 23, 2009, 12:28:46 PM
Thanks Michelle and Glenn!

To those considering my type of project, If I had to do it over again, I wouldn't recommend block walls. I would've gone with poured walls. SBC is a pain to work with. Very labor intensive and temperature sensitive.

Rob Roys book makes it sound easy to work with. Its not.
Title: Re: 30x40 Earth Berm Passive Solar in Maine
Post by: Dog on February 23, 2009, 03:45:40 PM
Now that you have lots of great inside shelter and the whether is getting better maybe consider an "SCB Party" in a few weeks. Invite your friends up, make an outdoor fire, bring lots of good music and food and go to town. You'll have it done in no time and I bet it would be fun!

It's exciting seeing the walls going up! Looks great!
Title: Re: 30x40 Earth Berm Passive Solar in Maine
Post by: HomeschoolMom on February 23, 2009, 05:23:48 PM
Quote from: Bishopknight on February 23, 2009, 12:28:46 PM
To those considering my type of project, If I had to do it over again, I wouldn't recommend block walls. I would've gone with poured walls. SBC is a pain to work with. Very labor intensive and temperature sensitive.

Rob Roys book makes it sound easy to work with. Its not.

That is good to know.  I was leaning to poured walls anyway but now I don't feel lazy about it  :) 
Title: Re: 30x40 Earth Berm Passive Solar in Maine
Post by: llamaman on February 23, 2009, 10:44:52 PM
Im guessing you did some cost comparison between SBC and poured walls before you started.
As soon as I get my blue prints I plan on getting some estimates but I have to think that there is a big price difference.   I was planing on 12" block and SBC.
And you would not do it again.  Very interesting.  Im going to have to think real hard on this one. ???
To tell the truth the thought of lifting all them heavy blocks was already starting to hurt my old body ;D.    Thanks for sharing
Title: Re: 30x40 Earth Berm Passive Solar in Maine
Post by: speedfunk on February 25, 2009, 04:31:10 PM
Intresting that you didn't care for the dry stack.  It was my favorite part of building our firstday.  Stacking blocks is nice and simple. It kind of reminded me of building with legos.  While I know that pouring would be easier, it was much more expensive.  I don't remember but just for the forms we were over a grand for our 16 x 30 .  So i'm sure that's why rob roy mentions it.  It is for the DIYer, or b/c you were trying to beat the winter it might have fit better?   I'll admit the parging was a little bit of work and a bit messy, but overall I really like the finished product enough were the textures give the wall a bit of humaness that concrete sometimes lack.  Oh also no noisey generataor or power tools ( I really enjoy this) as the later part of the firstday was banging on pine and listening to a generator non stop and trying to block out the sound with a contractor radio listening to the worst top 40 songs possible.   It's looking great !!.... I know how hard working through winter is. 

take care,

Title: Re: 30x40 Earth Berm Passive Solar in Maine
Post by: Bishopknight on March 01, 2009, 08:07:06 PM
Interior Framing Part 2:

New half moon window.
(https://i221.photobucket.com/albums/dd261/bishopknight1977/100_5143.jpg)

The interior as you walkin
(https://i221.photobucket.com/albums/dd261/bishopknight1977/100_5144.jpg)

Living Room
(https://i221.photobucket.com/albums/dd261/bishopknight1977/100_5145.jpg)

Master bedroom
(https://i221.photobucket.com/albums/dd261/bishopknight1977/100_5146.jpg)

(https://i221.photobucket.com/albums/dd261/bishopknight1977/100_5147.jpg)

Master closet. Note: I took the linens extra overhead space and added it. 
(https://i221.photobucket.com/albums/dd261/bishopknight1977/100_5149.jpg)

Custom bend for pantry
(https://i221.photobucket.com/albums/dd261/bishopknight1977/100_5151.jpg)

(https://i221.photobucket.com/albums/dd261/bishopknight1977/100_5152.jpg)

(https://i221.photobucket.com/albums/dd261/bishopknight1977/100_5153.jpg)

(https://i221.photobucket.com/albums/dd261/bishopknight1977/100_5160.jpg)

(https://i221.photobucket.com/albums/dd261/bishopknight1977/100_5154.jpg)
Title: Re: 30x40 Earth Berm Passive Solar in Maine
Post by: HomeschoolMom on March 01, 2009, 09:04:35 PM
You boys got a lot done this weekend...again, so excited for you! :)
Title: Re: 30x40 Earth Berm Passive Solar in Maine
Post by: glenn kangiser on March 02, 2009, 01:31:55 AM
You are really moving along.  What's up with the skidder? :)
Title: Re: 30x40 Earth Berm Passive Solar in Maine
Post by: Bishopknight on March 02, 2009, 12:25:09 PM
Just getting some trees cut by a local logger. Hes doing a good job. I wont get much for the wood but it will give me a view of the mountains and open up my land

Best of all he keeps my driveway plowed. We got that 24" of snow last sunday night which he came in and took care of at no time or cost expense to me. Its nice to drive down on a friday night and pull right up to your house  ;)
Title: Re: 30x40 Earth Berm Passive Solar in Maine
Post by: EcoHeliGuy on March 02, 2009, 10:09:45 PM
Looks like the guy with the skidder likes to use the roof the catch trees  c*

How was that half moon window for ease of install?
Title: Re: 30x40 Earth Berm Passive Solar in Maine
Post by: glenn kangiser on March 03, 2009, 01:41:36 AM
Skidder roof could save a headache - or be good for people who like to turn things over... ::)
Title: Re: 30x40 Earth Berm Passive Solar in Maine
Post by: Bishopknight on March 03, 2009, 12:45:51 PM
QuoteLooks like the guy with the skidder likes to use the roof the catch trees

I'll ask Lou what the story is with that and let you know :)

Half moon installation was fine, only hard part was the saws-all aspect.
Title: Re: 30x40 Earth Berm Passive Solar in Maine
Post by: Bishopknight on March 08, 2009, 10:36:18 PM
Weekend summary update:

I took off friday and got 3 solid days of work in. These pictures may not show it but lots of progress was made.

I brought the 'new' tub in, chiseled out the floor tub box, finished framing the bathroom door, framed the drywall corner studs and started laying out the electrical boxes
(https://i221.photobucket.com/albums/dd261/bishopknight1977/100_5181.jpg)

I put in the heavy duty cans for the ceiling fans.
(https://i221.photobucket.com/albums/dd261/bishopknight1977/100_5182.jpg)

Heres the 6' jacuzzi bathtub I found on craigslist for $120. (The side skirt came with it but is not shown). The toilet is only 12.5" away from edge so I may need to use an offset flange to give me 2 extra inches of space and/or somehow find a toilet that has the colon offset to the left.
(https://i221.photobucket.com/albums/dd261/bishopknight1977/100_5168.jpg)

The pump is on the back side so I'm going to replumb it slightly just in case it ever breaks. Its better than having to rip out the tub as the alternative later.
(https://i221.photobucket.com/albums/dd261/bishopknight1977/100_5197.jpg)

(https://i221.photobucket.com/albums/dd261/bishopknight1977/100_5194.jpg)

The kitchen bar
(https://i221.photobucket.com/albums/dd261/bishopknight1977/100_5201.jpg)

Here's the electrical diagram my electrician drew up for me to comply with code for CMP. I'm going with 12-2 and 12-3 for everything because I told him I may eventually want to serve some circuits with my solar array system/battery bank. Otherwise 14-2/14-3 would've been alright. I also need arc fault breakers for the bedroom outlets. The ceiling fans have to be on their own circuits as well since they are known as "appliances". The arrows are known as "home runs" which means, "go back to the panel".
(https://i221.photobucket.com/albums/dd261/bishopknight1977/100_5202.jpg)

A shot of the re-mortared ( w/ SBC ) and framed kitchen & bar. My friend/neighbor helped me with the SBC. I framed, leveled and squared the walls. Mortaring the walls takes about 2.5 hrs per bag. It took 8 bags to do the inside. I found if you throw a bunch of mortar on a board and use it as a hawk, the whole process goes alot faster.
(https://i221.photobucket.com/albums/dd261/bishopknight1977/100_5204.jpg)

Next visit, I'll start the electrical wiring, coax RG6U, speaker wire and CAT5e installation.

- BK
Title: Re: 30x40 Earth Berm Passive Solar in Maine
Post by: glenn kangiser on March 08, 2009, 11:17:56 PM
Be sure to support all edges of the jacuzzi tub, BK.  I didn't on ours at the other place and it flexes a bit in the front causing it to be hard to keep caulked at the tile..

..and looks great - thanks for the update.
Title: Re: 30x40 Earth Berm Passive Solar in Maine
Post by: EcoHeliGuy on March 08, 2009, 11:22:48 PM
Also wait until the tub is full of water before you caulk, other wise you will just pull the caulking off the wall the first time you use it.
Title: Re: 30x40 Earth Berm Passive Solar in Maine
Post by: Dog on March 09, 2009, 03:09:19 AM
Wow! You really got a lot of work done! Glad to hear you have such a nice neighbor who helped out with the SCB stuff. That's cool. Having great neighbors and helping each other out is the way to go!

It looks like working through the winter is paying off! You're moving right along and the place looks great.
Thanks for sharing the pics!
Title: Re: 30x40 Earth Berm Passive Solar in Maine
Post by: Mike 870 on March 09, 2009, 08:14:43 AM
Good work.  It looks like the sun is really coming in strong in some of those pictures.  Are you experiencing any passive heating effect?  I know you're not fully insulated yet, but I can imagine the inside being pretty comfortable at the right time of day.  Was there much difference in outside/inside temp?
Title: Re: 30x40 Earth Berm Passive Solar in Maine
Post by: Bishopknight on March 09, 2009, 08:43:58 AM
Absolutely Glenn :)

Thanks everyone :)

Dog: yes in retrospect, it was hard but you're right, i'm about 65% done now I'd say.

Not yet because of the thermal mass in the north facing block walls. It was 45 degrees yesterday but probably 40 degrees inside, even during the best passive solar hours. The block wall is constantly in the shade and slow to warm up. I think you're right though, once the block wall and framing is insulated, I'm sure there will be less of an "ice box" effect. I'm going to put 2" of insulation on the outside of the block walls and most likely add a lot of cellulose to the ceiling at some point too.
Title: Re: 30x40 Earth Berm Passive Solar in Maine
Post by: Windpower on March 10, 2009, 07:15:36 PM
That tub looks very familiar

I have a like model in my as yet unfinished bath (still have to finish the tile)  --- it works great --- you stole it for $150  --- good on ya

Title: Re: 30x40 Earth Berm Passive Solar in Maine
Post by: EcoHeliGuy on March 12, 2009, 12:38:28 PM
I'm very interested in what your doing here, you have incorporated many things I am planing in my house. I was planing a similar layout, but had planed to use a brick wall down the middle of the house, with the bedrooms and bathroom north of the wall, and living space south of the wall. this would allow the sun to warm the center of the house easyer then trying to reach the back wall. Then the heat would radiate at night into the sleeping area. so sense your at this stage of your project, do you see any concerns to this idea? Thanks for all the photo's.
Title: Re: 30x40 Earth Berm Passive Solar in Maine
Post by: ScottA on March 12, 2009, 01:43:42 PM
That tub needs to be set in a platform. The way I do it is to have the platform built so the tub bottom is about 2" above the floor. Mix some sand mix up and pour it on the floor about 3" thick where the tub will sit. Then while it's still wet set the tub in the hole and stand in it to squish it into the mud till the tub seats on the lip. You may have to wiggle it around a little to get it down.
Title: Re: 30x40 Earth Berm Passive Solar in Maine
Post by: Bishopknight on March 17, 2009, 09:58:39 AM
Heres my TODO list for this coming weekend:  d*

Electrical
•   Setup laser level for drilling holes
•   Run electrical wire
•   Label all drops
•   Mount washer/dryer receptacles at 36" high
•   Mount countertop receptacles at 42" high
•   Run appliance circuit for Jacuzzi tub
•   Wire the coat closet light on the office fan circuit

Cat5/COAX/Phone
•   Mount receptacles
•   Mount ON-Q box
•   Run Cat5/Coax wire together

Tub
•   Test pump inside cabin off an outlet
•   Dry fit the drain, trap and overflow
•   Mount a PT backing with Tapcon screws
•   Mount a PT face against studs
•   Redesign and dry fit the Jacuzzi pump
•   Mix 2 bags of concrete up as a base

Toilet
•   Carefully remove cement around pipe
•   Measure distance from tub face
•   Mount offset flange with tile clearance

Plumbing
•   Bring sink plumbing in 4' from end of island
•   Decide location of W/D, Water Heater and pump
•   Cut and cap cleanout
•   Run DWV for bathroom and kitchen sink

Framing
•   Fill concrete holes in block wall
•   Nail additional strapping to ceiling
•   Frame out Master bedroom gable end

Various
•   Clean windows with razor and window washer
•   Mount 2x6 plate at 48" for bathroom towel rack
•   Run speaker wire for office to come out of wall at 24.5", desk height is 28.5"
•   Run home audio wire
•   Install roof vent
•   Grease backhoe joints
Title: Re: 30x40 Earth Berm Passive Solar in Maine
Post by: glenn kangiser on March 17, 2009, 10:45:23 AM
Industrious little rascal aren't you, BK.  That is quite a list. :)
Title: Re: 30x40 Earth Berm Passive Solar in Maine
Post by: Dog on March 17, 2009, 11:14:17 AM
Glenn...you are so funny!

Here's a shocker...  :o

No house building activity this past weekend?! hummmm? 

Your girlfriend is pretty BK. Plus she can swing a hammer. You better watch out!  :)
Title: Re: 30x40 Earth Berm Passive Solar in Maine
Post by: glenn kangiser on March 17, 2009, 11:34:37 AM
People sometimes tell me I am funny, but I give them that cool old grade school reply. 

Yeah, well...........Looks aren't everything. [waiting]
Title: Re: 30x40 Earth Berm Passive Solar in Maine
Post by: Dog on March 17, 2009, 12:00:11 PM
Glenn, you're very strange... [waiting] It's like you own  [waiting] but it is a good one!  [waiting]

Nice dry stone wall pics on your thread today and that's crazy about those birds. I heard about another eagle in recovery after flying into a truck. I think they think it's still the sky by the reflection.

Sean, no building activity this past weekend??? 

Title: Re: 30x40 Earth Berm Passive Solar in Maine
Post by: Bishopknight on March 17, 2009, 12:25:25 PM
None, I wanted to take the weekend off to celebrate my girlfriends birthday.  ::)
Title: Re: 30x40 Earth Berm Passive Solar in Maine
Post by: MaineRhino on March 17, 2009, 07:46:59 PM
Looks great BK! Quite an ambitious list you've got there! It will be at least another 3 weeks before we can get up to our place.
Title: Re: 30x40 Earth Berm Passive Solar in Maine
Post by: glenn kangiser on March 17, 2009, 11:18:17 PM
Eccentric, Dog, eccentric.... It has more class and keeps 'em guessin'. [noidea'
Title: Re: 30x40 Earth Berm Passive Solar in Maine
Post by: sjdehner on March 18, 2009, 07:47:06 AM
Bishop,

As someone coming full-circle on a first house I can confidently say that you're doing an astounding amount of work on your own. Your energy and enthusiasm convey in your postings. It's a joy to find people who love what they're doing.

Maine is a great place for the independent spirit. Back home in Washington state folks have a similar connection to the landscape. But they do not share the same spirit of independence when it comes to construction. Our county is so heavily coded and monitored builders in our rural home town (an island essentially) were having to undergo six months to a year of scrutiny (this is not an exaggeration) before being handed a permit.

What a relief Belfast has been. A code exists and so does a building inspector but he's been an asset rather than a hindrance. He'd stopped in a couple of times during the building process to check our framing, electrical, etc to be sure nothing egregious was happening. By working in conjunction with us, and laying a large portion of responsibility for safety on us as builders, we feel like we live in a safe house. We worked with our Residential IBC on-site at all times; working in this manner incorporated a methodology and philosophy of building into us a nascent builders.

Admittedly, some of the codes are really stretching it to the point where you wonder why they're in the book at all. And more than once we came across conflicting information that we needed the inspector to thresh out for us.

Are you having a similar experience? I'm thinking being in Western Maine you might not be having any outside influence at all. That's no bad thing either! Just curious about your experience in this regard.

Otherwise, great work, I admire your spirit that is so typical of Mainers (those born here and those adopted)!

Also, where are you in the building process? I saw some photos of the foundation work, rough plumbing, etc.

Any walls going up yet?

Ah...but if you're like us here on the coast, you're still under a foot or so of snow - probably more.

Take care,

Shawn

Title: Re: 30x40 Earth Berm Passive Solar in Maine
Post by: Bishopknight on March 23, 2009, 07:57:56 PM
Hi Shawn,

Yes I agree on the code/inspector aspect as well. My town inspectors have been a pleasure to work with as well. To answer your question, its probably easiest to show you the most recent pictures of my work this past week.

I mounted a PT backer board with tapcon screws for wall mounting the tub by notching a 1/4" lip on the wall side so the tub lip would lock right down on it.
(https://i221.photobucket.com/albums/dd261/bishopknight1977/100_5221.jpg)

Wiring for the office
(https://i221.photobucket.com/albums/dd261/bishopknight1977/100_5236.jpg)

I nailed some strapping to the kitchen wall to help with the placement of outlets.
(https://i221.photobucket.com/albums/dd261/bishopknight1977/100_5228.jpg)

A couple gang boxes. One controlling the bathroom fan/light and vanity. The other controlling the hall 3-way lights.
(https://i221.photobucket.com/albums/dd261/bishopknight1977/100_5238.jpg)

I decided on splitting the master bedroom closet for the guest bedroom instead of a larger MB closet and a bumped out guest closet.
(https://i221.photobucket.com/albums/dd261/bishopknight1977/100_5223.jpg)

(https://i221.photobucket.com/albums/dd261/bishopknight1977/100_5239.jpg)

ON-Q box in white will house the CAT5e network hub, the coax hub and phone hub.
(https://i221.photobucket.com/albums/dd261/bishopknight1977/100_5229.jpg)
(https://i221.photobucket.com/albums/dd261/bishopknight1977/100_5243.jpg)

Beginning of my sink drain
(https://i221.photobucket.com/albums/dd261/bishopknight1977/100_5230.jpg)

I always dry fit everything before gluing.
(https://i221.photobucket.com/albums/dd261/bishopknight1977/100_5231.jpg)

I found some PVC connectors to join the pump together with
(https://i221.photobucket.com/albums/dd261/bishopknight1977/100_5247.jpg)

A preliminary tub drain proposal
(https://i221.photobucket.com/albums/dd261/bishopknight1977/100_5249.jpg)

I will have to use an internal PVC pipe cutter to recess the 3" cleanout and toilet pipes into the slab
(https://i221.photobucket.com/albums/dd261/bishopknight1977/100_5251.jpg)

The kitchen sink DWV rising to the normal stub out of 18". I'm considering an AAV for terminating this series instead of running pipe out through the roof.
(https://i221.photobucket.com/albums/dd261/bishopknight1977/100_5255.jpg)

The whirlpool tub had proprietary coupling adapters so I decided to hacksaw both off and file them back down to their original diameters.
(https://i221.photobucket.com/albums/dd261/bishopknight1977/100_5233.jpg)
(https://i221.photobucket.com/albums/dd261/bishopknight1977/100_5235.jpg)

There is more to come next weekend  ;D


Title: Re: 30x40 Earth Berm Passive Solar in Maine
Post by: drainl on March 24, 2009, 12:18:08 PM
NICE dude!

;D

looks like quite a bit happened.  Judging by some of the pics look the floor is drying out nicley.

jeff
Title: Re: 30x40 Earth Berm Passive Solar in Maine
Post by: Bishopknight on March 24, 2009, 03:48:14 PM
Thanks Jeff,

If this knowledge will help anyone, I did research today on a shallow jet well pump for my house because I have a spring on my land. I found that the Goulds 1/2 HP J5S, 3/4 HP J7S and 1 HP J10S pumps were the best residential pumps on the market for homeowners. 

They are expensive though, they go for over $300 on ebay but they are easy to repair, parts are widely available at many local pump/pool stores and they have the best reliability track record.

If you search Craigslist, you may be able to find one cheaper. I just located one today, a used JS5 w/out the pressure switch for $40. I called a parts place and the switch costs $27 to replace. I learned the pressure switch turns the pump on and off once it reaches a particular PSI. For the JS5, thats 20-40 PSI, which should be fine for my house since my spring is very shallow.
Title: Re: 30x40 Earth Berm Passive Solar in Maine
Post by: MaineRhino on March 24, 2009, 04:10:48 PM
Looks great BK! Good info about the pump. I'll be sure to look that one up this summer when I do my waterworks.
Title: Re: 30x40 Earth Berm Passive Solar in Maine
Post by: sjdehner on March 24, 2009, 05:45:15 PM
Hey, your place is coming along nicely!

Are you doing all that work on your own? That's quite a to-do list.

Do you have any exterior pics posted yet?

And, by the way, I like the cathedral ceiling  :)

Keep on working, you're making great progress!

S.
Title: Re: 30x40 Earth Berm Passive Solar in Maine
Post by: HomeschoolMom on March 24, 2009, 09:26:54 PM
Lookin' good! ;)
Title: Re: 30x40 Earth Berm Passive Solar in Maine
Post by: Bishopknight on March 24, 2009, 10:17:46 PM
Thanks MaineRhino, Shawn and Michelle!  ;D

I actually bought a domain name and started designing my own website tonight. Warning: only one of the topic links work yet. Most of my time tonight was spent making sense of the horrid GoDaddy website.  d*

http://earthbermhouse.info/ (http://earthbermhouse.info/)
Title: Re: 30x40 Earth Berm Passive Solar in Maine
Post by: Sassy on March 24, 2009, 11:11:39 PM
You've really been busy - very nice job on the house & a good start on the website!
Title: Re: 30x40 Earth Berm Passive Solar in Maine
Post by: MountainDon on March 24, 2009, 11:14:02 PM
Good start Sean. Is the software an online version from GoDaddy? I've found it easier to write the pages on my own software on my own computer. Maybe it's just me, the way I work best, but I understand it better that way. Then upload the files via FTP. I offer any help I can.



Title: Re: 30x40 Earth Berm Passive Solar in Maine
Post by: Bishopknight on March 25, 2009, 09:22:20 AM
Thanks Sassy and MountainDon   ;D

No, I'm not using any of GoDaddys software. Just navigating their site and getting access to the FTP settings took me an hour.

Oh god, I think if I had to use GoDaddys embedded FTP application, I would go crazy, lol.  d*

Personally, I prefer Photoshop and Dreamweaver with its own FTP client. 

Btw, my Electrician recommended a Panasonic Bathroom Light/Fan for reliability and quietness. But with so many models out there to choose from, I didnt know which one I needed. After finding a calculator in which you plug in your bathroom dimensions, I found out I needed at least an 80 somes model. The Panasonic FV08VQL4 met those requirements and I found a great deal on it on ebay for only $135, new in box with free shipping.

(http://images.panasonic.com/static/models/fv-08vql4.jpg)
Title: Re: 30x40 Earth Berm Passive Solar in Maine
Post by: Alasdair on March 25, 2009, 09:53:54 PM
Wow BK!  :o
You are certainly a force to be reckoned with! Where you find the energy or time to make a website on top of the phenomenal amount of work you have done in the last 6 months I don't know!
I have really enjoyed following your project so far, your enthusiasm and drive are a great example - especially as my wife and I are about to embark on our own build.
Nice work man!  [cool]
Title: Re: 30x40 Earth Berm Passive Solar in Maine
Post by: HomeschoolMom on March 28, 2009, 01:57:25 PM
Sorry to say but as soon as you figure Godaddy out, they change it!  ???  I have done quite a few sites on there.  I just use there Website Tonight stuff.

www.bumper911.com
www.homeschoolkalamazoo.com

Those are the two I have right now. 

Title: Re: 30x40 Earth Berm Passive Solar in Maine
Post by: sjdehner on March 31, 2009, 09:48:26 AM
Bishop,

Hey, where did you find that calculator for the bathroom exhaust fan? Is it online somewhere?

I'm prepping to put one in in the next month so appreciate the post!

Thanks.

S.

Title: Re: 30x40 Earth Berm Passive Solar in Maine
Post by: Bishopknight on March 31, 2009, 12:19:39 PM
Those are nice sites Michelle, great job!

Shawn,

Heres the info I used along with my particular case below:
http://www.iaqsource.com/article.php/how-to-size-a-bathroom-ventilation-fan/?id=3

STEP 1
6 ft X 10 ft X 10 ft = 600 cubic feet.           

STEP 2
600 divided by 60 = 10.                 

STEP 3
10 x 8 = 80 cfms

PEX Plumbing

Also, this is not related, but I am doing research on PEX plumbing and I found a free design guide on the web which details the best way to run Pex for residential buildings
http://www.toolbase.org/PDF/DesignGuides/pex_designguide.pdf (http://www.toolbase.org/PDF/DesignGuides/pex_designguide.pdf)

From what I've read, the Trunk and Branch method sounds like the easiest and most cost effective way to run Pex. That would entail using a 3/4" trunk and then branching off to 1/2" T connectors.

What this entire process feels like:

I just thought about it now. It feels like I'm in college again, a cold college... Studying and cramming, then taking weekly tests. Overall, I'd say its feels like 4 college courses worth of collective knowledge.

I was also thinking about all the work I put into my house in Dallas that I sold in 10/07. I had bought it as a fixer upper and put about 30k in materials into it, and ultimately got my money out. I realized no net profit on the house, none. Every ounce of labor I put in was not rewarded. I got material cost out before the housing bubble crashed. My point being, this house i'm building now, I'm buying materials and putting in the labor myself, piecemeal. Although I don't plan to sell my house, if I were to, I would probably realize a profit of about 100-200% on material cost of the house and about 100% on the land. So what I'm saying is......Buying and fixing up that house in Dallas was (profit-wise) a waste of time. Now, granted.... I needed that remodeling experience and confidence so I could take on the huge task of building my own house but I do wish I had just bought raw land about 4 years ago and scratched my nails on a virgin piece of land instead.
Title: Re: 30x40 Earth Berm Passive Solar in Maine
Post by: Bishopknight on April 02, 2009, 08:44:38 AM
A couple of pics from last weekend:

Insulated the master bedroom and applied 4 mil clear plastic over it.
(http://earthbermhouse.info/pics/3-29-09/100_5292.jpg)

Completed the double sink vanity and washing machine DWV
(http://earthbermhouse.info/pics/3-29-09/100_5297.jpg)

Installed 4 sloped recessed lights
(http://earthbermhouse.info/pics/3-29-09/100_5301.jpg)

Dry fit the plumbing structure for the whirlpool pump and drain
(http://earthbermhouse.info/pics/3-29-09/100_5291.jpg)
Title: Re: 30x40 Earth Berm Passive Solar in Maine
Post by: HomeschoolMom on April 03, 2009, 07:44:23 AM
Great work!  I was hoping we would have a new update with pics but I had given up :D 
Title: Re: 30x40 Earth Berm Passive Solar in Maine
Post by: Bishopknight on April 13, 2009, 03:32:27 PM
My electrician is guiding me in wiring my house and I thought I'd jot down some notes here about what he said in reference to my future solar panel array.

Basically his idea is to limit as much as possible the voltage drop from the panels on the roof to the charge controller. To accomplish this, he recommended a #4 SEU wire run from the main panel to the roof ( as short as possible ), via a piece of rigid out the roof through a roof jack, 12" above the shingles connecting to a Neima 12" square PVC box. Having the box directly on the roof would likely lead to leaks at some point, so keeping it a foot off is the best plan. Also the box must have gaskets to prevent water infiltration as well. Like this:

(http://www.solarsolar.com/sys12.JPG)

Inside the box, there will be tie downs for the large SEU cable to the individual solar panel wires which I'll probably use 10-2 to connect each with.

I'll be hooking up the Meter panel, Load center and some conduit this weekend as well. I'll try to take some pictures of the entire process.  ;D
Title: Re: 30x40 Earth Berm Passive Solar in Maine
Post by: MountainDon on April 13, 2009, 10:00:39 PM
What are your system parameters; cable length, design volts, max amps... ?   

Is the #4 running from the junction/combiner box on the roof to the controller?

I know, lots of questions; just curious about anything solar.


If that 10-2 you mentioned is near or touches the backs of the panels be sure it's rated for a high enough temperature. Ninety degrees Celsius (186 F) is usually recommended. UV and wet rated, or course. A cable known as USE-2 is commonly used for that.
Title: Re: 30x40 Earth Berm Passive Solar in Maine
Post by: Bishopknight on April 14, 2009, 09:20:23 AM
From the junction/combiner box to the controller, the length should be around 15 feet. The designed voltage will be 12v so we're keeping the distances as short as possible. The max amps are still up in the air. I'm using a 45amp max charge controller so I can have 3 more solar panels at max charging amperage, but realistically, probably around 4 more since my panels rarely put out the max amperage.

I'll mention the temperature rating of the individual wires to Dan. Thanks MountainDon.


Title: Re: 30x40 Earth Berm Passive Solar in Maine
Post by: MountainDon on April 14, 2009, 11:54:17 AM
Hmmm.  If you add enough parallel panels to reach that 45 amps maximum, that comes out to 3.46% voltage drop. At 35 amps that would still be over 2% (2.31). Generally 2% is regarded as the upper limit of desirability.

(https://i133.photobucket.com/albums/q75/djmillerbucket/oddsnends2/12v45amp.jpg)

IF it was 24 VDC at 22.5 amps (same power) and everything else the same, the loss calculates out to more desirable 0.87%.
Title: Re: 30x40 Earth Berm Passive Solar in Maine
Post by: Bishopknight on April 14, 2009, 02:32:16 PM
Right, That definitely makes sense. Especially after doing a little research.

Someone sums up the inefficiencies quite well in regards to 12v vs 24v. I quoted the following from this URL.
http://www.fieldlines.com/story/2006/10/8/6370/94749 (http://www.fieldlines.com/story/2006/10/8/6370/94749)
Quote(Ignoring inefficiencies) 50W is 50W, no matter if it is 12 or 24V DC or 120 or 240V AC. So, with (2)x50W panels, you are getting 100W into 24V or 100W into 12V, and taking 100W out at 240V AC would be 100% of power used in either case.

The advantage to a 24V system is that the inefficiencies are less. While the power is the same, since power is volts times amps (put another way, amps is power / volts), you will have 1/2 the amps in a 24V system than in a 12V system with the same power transfer. Since the power lost in the wire is proportional to the square of the current (loss = amps^2 * resistance), you either have less loss with the same wire or you can use smaller wire.

For example, with a 96W (easier math ;-) panel array, this will be 8A into 12V or 4A into 24V. If you have a wire that has 0.2 ohms of resistance (10 AWG for 30m both ways), the loss of the 12V will be (8)^2*0.2=13W, where the 24V will be (4)^2*0.2=3W. This is a big difference !

The advantage to 12V is that you can upgrade in smaller chunks (1 solar panel or 2 batteries vs. 2 solar panels or 4 batteries for 24V) and there are more appliances available for 12V.

Stay with 24V (or consider 48V); you won't be sorry.

You don't happen to have any of the resistances of certain types of wires, do you? Like 4/4/0 SEU vs 2/2/0 SEU?

Title: Re: 30x40 Earth Berm Passive Solar in Maine
Post by: MountainDon on April 14, 2009, 04:58:54 PM
No, I don't have the resistance numbers handy, but I know I have seen a reference table.
I don't bother with the actual values for different wire sizes. I rely on the calculator that screen shot came from. It has factors for copper vs aluminum built in, as well as the temperature rating coefficients. It's better than any of the free calculators I've seen; it is not a freebie. It's capable of more than I am.

If you would like I could run any numbers through it.

As you can see from the previous image it will solve for 1. voltage drop, 2. Wire Gauge needed, or 3. maximum length of cable.

Common Input variables are: AC or DC, Voltage, Load Current, Copper or Aluminum, Cable Temp rating (default is 75C (60C or 90C)

1. For Voltage Drop the the wire gauge and one way distance are also required.
2. For required wire gauge the allowed percentage of voltage drop and one way wire length are also required.
3. For maximum cable lebgth the allowed percentage of voltage drop and wire gauge are also required.

I'll run some for you or anyone with the understanding that I'll do it as I can.
Title: Re: 30x40 Earth Berm Passive Solar in Maine
Post by: Bishopknight on April 20, 2009, 10:41:22 PM
Weekend Update:

Raised terrace garden bed in front of house:
(https://i221.photobucket.com/albums/dd261/bishopknight1977/100_5383.jpg)

Drywall being installed where allowable.
(https://i221.photobucket.com/albums/dd261/bishopknight1977/100_5386.jpg)

(https://i221.photobucket.com/albums/dd261/bishopknight1977/100_5388.jpg)

(https://i221.photobucket.com/albums/dd261/bishopknight1977/100_5377.jpg)

I drywalled the bedroom closets and hung 2 doors
(https://i221.photobucket.com/albums/dd261/bishopknight1977/100_5367.jpg)

A wall mount tv will be mounted here, with no wires showing
(https://i221.photobucket.com/albums/dd261/bishopknight1977/100_5374.jpg)

The trench I dug for the electric wire. Total cost = $10 in gas since I own the backhoe
(https://i221.photobucket.com/albums/dd261/bishopknight1977/100_5376.jpg)

I also met a neighbor who built his own strawbale house. I took a pic of it. I dug him a hole for his own well tile and I'll come back and lay the tiles for them at a future date.
(https://i221.photobucket.com/albums/dd261/bishopknight1977/100_5393.jpg)










Title: Re: 30x40 Earth Berm Passive Solar in Maine
Post by: glenn kangiser on April 21, 2009, 02:27:59 AM
Thanks for the update, BK -- Isn't it great to have your own toys.  Mine are actually making me a bit of money now.
Title: Re: 30x40 Earth Berm Passive Solar in Maine
Post by: HomeschoolMom on April 21, 2009, 08:59:55 AM
Love seeing new pics!  You just made my day. :P
Title: Re: 30x40 Earth Berm Passive Solar in Maine
Post by: Bishopknight on April 21, 2009, 09:10:12 AM
Thats awesome Glenn. They really are great, and if anyone can afford the up front cash outlay, I say go for it, they definitely pay for themselves if acquired early on in the development process. When I first bought my backhoe, I never expected I'd be digging other peoples wells at some point also  ;D
Title: Re: 30x40 Earth Berm Passive Solar in Maine
Post by: speedfunk on April 26, 2009, 04:40:14 PM
 [cool]

Looks great BK!!

I really like the round rock look of retaining wall.  We don't got rocks like that .  All though our rocks in upstate NY do stack better  ;D

Hope you got to the the house site this weekend.  We didn't have as much time as we wanted but nice day to work!!!

Peace
jeff
Title: Re: 30x40 Earth Berm Passive Solar in Maine
Post by: Dog on April 26, 2009, 10:14:02 PM
Hey...how did the gardening go? It was the perfect weekend!

We have a lot of perennials that are coming up. Some good rain and good sun. They look great. Working on weeding an mulching.  If I had more land I'd grow a massive veg garden. I have to settle for planters for now.

Have a nice week an enjoys building your house!
Title: Re: 30x40 Earth Berm Passive Solar in Maine
Post by: Bishopknight on April 27, 2009, 08:55:18 AM
I actually had to destroy most of the rock wall this weekend to finish the electric service cable trench.  d* And of course, it was 80 on saturday and the black flies arrived right on schedule :P

Grace did a lot of drywall patching and cleanup around the property and I worked the PEX plumbing. I went with a "trunch and branch" system, using 3/4" as the trunk and 1/2" on the individual fixtures, except for the hose bib outside, which I'm keeping 3/4". I read somewhere that PEX brass fixtures can crack/snap/break if the tube is installed putting pressure on it, but I find that highly improbable. I had to cut a piece off one of the 1/2" pex drop ears and it took me 5 minutes of sweat induced labor to just hacksaw off a 1/4" side bracket. After seeing how hard it was, I wasn't worried any longer but just in case, all my connections have little to no bend from the plastic pipe going into them.

We also stacked firewood. I started trenching for the water line as well. I'm working out a deal with the electrician to let him borrow my backhoe in exchange for work. I can't say enough about the benefits of owning your own backhoe. Its already paid for itself and now its starting to make/save me money. If you can afford one, by all means get one.
Title: Re: 30x40 Earth Berm Passive Solar in Maine
Post by: Bishopknight on April 27, 2009, 11:09:58 AM
MountainDon,

I talked to my electrician, he says 12v is the way to go because a 120 watt panel at 17 volts open circuit produces much more than a 120 watt panel at 31 volts open circuit. He does agree that its more efficient to convert from a higher DC voltage to AC.

But were going with a 4 guage aluminum wire from the combiner box anyways.

I just want the most efficient system without using inverters if I can. I'd like to run DC lighting and some DC appliances like the pump. If I add more panels in the future and wan t to run an inverter, so be it but for now, I'd like to just get the most bang for my buck out of my panels.

Curious what you think or anyone else thinks who is interested/experienced in solar panel efficiencies.  :)


Electrical Notes:
On a side note, here are a couple of things I've learned about running service to meter to panel cable.

"4 ought triplex" is the service entrance cable. That runs from the closest telephone pole to your meter outside your house. The number of bends must be less than 360 degrees and definitely less than 270 degrees . A straight line is preferable for pulling the wire through the conduit. The wire should come up 8 ft from the ground at the meter and 35 ft from the ground at the telephone pole.

From the Meter to the panel, the wire is called "200 amp SER" ( if you're using a 200 amp panel). Iits run should be as short as possible. If its too long, you may need an expensive disconnect switch. Either way, you should use 4 guage aluminum SEU cable if you're going with a standard 200 amp connection ( like mine ). 2" grey conduit should surround the wire in and out of the meter as well. The U in SEU stands for the shape of the cable. SEU cable is normally in a grey jacket, where as SER is normally a 3 strand un-jacketed set of wires twisted together.
Title: Re: 30x40 Earth Berm Passive Solar in Maine
Post by: MountainDon on April 27, 2009, 10:09:02 PM
Quote from: Bishopknight on April 27, 2009, 11:09:58 AM
MountainDon,

#1....  I talked to my electrician, he says 12v is the way to go because a 120 watt panel at 17 volts open circuit produces much more than a 120 watt panel at 31 volts open circuit.

#2....  But were going with a 4 gauge aluminum wire from the combiner box anyways.

#3....  I just want the most efficient system without using inverters if I can. I'd like to run DC lighting and some DC appliances like the pump. If I add more panels in the future and wan t to run an inverter, so be it but for now, I'd like to just get the most bang for my buck out of my panels.

Curious what you think or anyone else thinks who is interested/experienced in solar panel efficiencies.  :)


First, I guess I had forgotten that you were building a DC only system, and using a 12 VDC battery system voltage.

Re: #1....  A 120 watt panel produces 120 watts, plus or minus factory allowed variance. Let's say it's 100% efficient. So at 17 Voc the amps would be 120/17 = 7.0588. At 31 Voc the amps would be 120/31 = 3.870. So yes, the amps are higher at 17 Voc, but it's still 120 watts either way; watts are watts.

A charge controller designed to accept a nominal 24 VDC input (approx 34 Voc) and charge a 12 VDC battery bank should work as well as a charge controller designed to accept a nominal 12 VDC input 917Voc) and output to a 12 VDC battery bank. The real difference comes in when one uses a MPPT controller compared to PWM or any of the cheaper controllers.

Re: #2....  Aluminum wire has more resistance than copper. If we were to run a 12 VDC panel set pushing 45 amps (your max), 15 feet through #4 AWG wires, we have a voltage drop of 5.72% using aluminum and 3.46% using copper. Or another way to look at it, #4 aluminum wire is equivalent to #6 copper wire, as far as current carrying ability.

Re: #3....  If the distances from the batteries to the various points of use are short the power losses in those wires can remain low enough to not be a large source of power loss. Originally I considered doing a predominantly 12 VDC system in our cabin. However when I ran the wire lengths and loads and calculated the losses it didn't appeal to me. But that's me.

If you are running 12 VDC lights and things then using a 24 VDC battery system would make no sense at all. You would have to center tap the 24 V battery pack to get a usable 12 V and that is bad for batteries. Or you'd have to buy a 24 to 12 VDC converter and that would have some inefficiencies just like an inverter.

The other factor that I applied to our cabin situation was that we also desired some AC; microwave, the ability to tun a vacuum cleaner, a TV and DVD player, a toaster... So we would have AC wiring as well. Mixing DC and AC, even with fool proof DC dedicated outlets, would be easy for me to keep straight, but if I wouldn't be there maybe others would have issues. AC and DC mixed, also used up about twice as much wire, required a second breaker panel, and so on. In the end, for me/us I decided it was a poor choice.

You probably know that DC requires DC rated switches and breakers. Also if there is any AC in the building, not the room, but anywhere in the entire building, the NEC requires the outlets to be keyed differently. That's so an AC thing can't be plugged into a DC, and vice versa. If there is no 240 VAC wiring in the building 240 VAC outlets can be used for DC power.
Title: Re: 30x40 Earth Berm Passive Solar in Maine
Post by: MountainDon on April 28, 2009, 12:49:27 PM
It just hit me that a Voc of 17 volts seems a little low for a panel that is rated at 12 volts nominal. That 17 volts sounds more like the Vmp, Maximum Power Volts. That's actually the more useful figure for calculating outputs.

Voc is important when calculating the series string size in order to stay well below the maximum voltage rating of the charge controller. Voc on a 12 volt panel wouls more likely be in the 21 to 22 volt range.
Title: Re: 30x40 Earth Berm Passive Solar in Maine
Post by: Bishopknight on April 28, 2009, 04:50:44 PM
Thanks MountainDon,

I'm definitely going to get a MPPT like the one outback sells asap. I'll be using 4/0 ought aluminum SEU for the combiner box to controller wire, so the losses will be tolerable whether 12 or 24v. And I agree with you regarding the distances and losses.

I plan on having a sub panel next to my main panel. Above the panels, I'll be able to move a circuit from the AC main to the DC sub.

I wired my rooms in mind for solar application, so i split the lights from the outlets. I should be able to run all my lighting circuits from the DC sub-panel as well as a future water pump as well. The lone DC outlet, I planned to use a 240vac outlet there. I didnt know that about the breakers having to be DC current, thanks for the tip!  :D

I did find a company on the internet in china that sells 12vdc florescent bulbs that can also run on 24v dc ( link below ). I'm going to contact them about buying some and see if its possible.

Question: Do you know if all 12v florescent bulbs can run on 24v as well?

http://www.solsco.com/12VDC_lamps_dclights_3Watt.html (http://www.solsco.com/12VDC_lamps_dclights_3Watt.html)
Title: Re: 30x40 Earth Berm Passive Solar in Maine
Post by: MountainDon on April 28, 2009, 05:19:01 PM
Quote from: Bishopknight on April 28, 2009, 04:50:44 PM
I didn't know that about the breakers having to be DC current, thanks for the tip!  :D

Square D makes the only commonly available NEC approved breaker that I know of. It's their QO series. They can also be used for AC. Take the standard QO breaker, approved for 120 VAC; it is also NEC approved for DC systems up to a maximum of 48 Volts. In practice that limits it to 36 volt systems maximum as breakers must have a safety factor calculated in. A 48 volt system would surpass the approved rating. The amperage stamped on the QO breaker is the same for AC or DC. As far as I know they only fit their QO panels.
Title: Re: 30x40 Earth Berm Passive Solar in Maine
Post by: MountainDon on April 28, 2009, 06:55:28 PM
Also regarding fluorescent lights...

It is the ballast component of a fluorescent fixture that determines the actual input voltage. Lamps with built in ballasts like the common household CFL's are built to work on a single voltage; 120 VAC. As you found, CFL's are also available in DC voltages of 12, 24 or 48 from a few places online. I've seen them at solarseller.com; I've bought from solarseller and been very happy. But I've never bought the CFL lamps.

They have one piece ones...
http://solarseller.com/dc_fluorescent_lights__12___24_volt__ballasts__screw_in_ballasts__low_voltage7e.htm (http://solarseller.com/dc_fluorescent_lights__12___24_volt__ballasts__screw_in_ballasts__low_voltage7e.htm)

and two piece ones...
http://solarseller.com/dc_fluorescent_lights__12___24_volt__ballasts__screw_in_ballasts__low_voltage7d.htm (http://solarseller.com/dc_fluorescent_lights__12___24_volt__ballasts__screw_in_ballasts__low_voltage7d.htm)
are interesting as the ballast is one piece and the tube another. It would make changing to a different voltage or a change to a different color temperature tube possible.

Those lamps are made in the USA!!

You can also change an ordinary household fluorescent fixture from 120 VAC to 12 VDC operation by replacing the ballast, or any DC range up to 56 VDC. The same tube is used. Iota Engineeering sells a variety of ballasts for DC voltages. They must be matched to the tube type and number of them.
http://iotaengineering.com/dc.htm (http://iotaengineering.com/dc.htm)  They have an online selector; input tube type and it comes up with what ballasts will work.

Iota products are made in the USA as well (AZ). I have several different products of theirs and have never had a problem. They are also user friendly with email inquiries.

Knowing the above, I suspect that the catalog listing "12V or 24V", means that you can order a 12 VDC or a 24 VDC lamp. I could be wrong; it is conceivable they could build in a voltage selector switch.  :-\  However when I was looking at this I never ran across such a lamp.


I don't want to sound like I'm trying to talk you out of a 12 VDC system. However for others who are wondering about the same and reading this, here's another of my own personal reasons for deciding against 12 VDC for my main lighting. 1. These DC voltage things cost about $15 each; the 120 VAC ones $3 or less in bulk. 2. I can buy the 120 VAC almost everywhere, though I'll pay more like $5 if I can't get to a discount/warehouse store. 3. I've had CFL's fail in less time than what I'm supposed to get; I'd hate to have that happen with a $15 lamp.

Once again that's simply my way of looking at my needs or wants. I'm making it known to maybe help others.

FYI, Frequent cycling of any CFL shortens the lamp life. Rapid on, then off sequences can shorten the life of a CFL to less than that of an incandescent lamp. That's only one reason why I hope the government does not outlaw incandescent lamps. Incandescents are ideal for closets and other spaces that are lit for short periods.

FYI, each CFL or separate DC ballast has a small inverter (DC to AC) in it.



Title: Re: 30x40 Earth Berm Passive Solar in Maine
Post by: Bishopknight on April 29, 2009, 11:34:50 AM
Thanks MountainDon,

I still feel like 24v is the way to go.

Thanks for the info about the Square D breakers also.  ;)
Title: Re: 30x40 Earth Berm Passive Solar in Maine
Post by: pagan on April 29, 2009, 11:41:11 AM
Bishopknight,

I was considering a 12 vdc system and then thought about 24 vdc. After looking at what was available for lighting and electronics in dc I decided to go with an inverter. When the inverter's humming away using 20 watts per hour to power a 13 watt CF light I think I might have made a mistake, but overall I think it was a good choice. My system provides all the electricity I need and I have pure sine wave ac power. When I get everything wired in I think I might throw in a couple of dc lights though, that way I can run some lights without the inverter.
Title: Re: 30x40 Earth Berm Passive Solar in Maine
Post by: Bishopknight on April 29, 2009, 12:03:58 PM
Ya, mine might be similar to that down the road too, in use that is.

There are pros and cons to each type it seems.

MountainDon,

I'm curious what kind of light you use for your closets. I'm thinking maybe a 24vdc LED light using the E26 socket? A flourescent would be a bad choice for obvious reasons.

Here are the 24v ceiling fans I found. Unfortunately, they don't have wiring for lights in them it seems.
http://store.altestore.com/Lighting-Fans/Ceiling-Fans-DC/RCH-Fanworks-1224V-Vari-Fan-42-Ceiling-Fan/p6682/ (http://store.altestore.com/Lighting-Fans/Ceiling-Fans-DC/RCH-Fanworks-1224V-Vari-Fan-42-Ceiling-Fan/p6682/)
Title: Re: 30x40 Earth Berm Passive Solar in Maine
Post by: MountainDon on April 29, 2009, 06:16:17 PM
There is no single right way. We're all different so we make different choices.  :)

Our cabin will have a couple Thinlite compact FL fixtures under the kitchen cabinets, above the counters. They will be operating off 24 VDC. One reason for them is I wanted some DC lights in case the inverter developed a problem. But all other electrical is 120 VAC off the Outback Inverter. I bought those from solarseller... very good prices compared to most RV dealers... they are used in many RV's.


Quote from: Bishopknight on April 29, 2009, 12:03:58 PM
Here are the 24v ceiling fans I found. Unfortunately, they don't have wiring for lights in them it seems.
http://store.altestore.com/Lighting-Fans/Ceiling-Fans-DC/RCH-Fanworks-1224V-Vari-Fan-42-Ceiling-Fan/p6682/ (http://store.altestore.com/Lighting-Fans/Ceiling-Fans-DC/RCH-Fanworks-1224V-Vari-Fan-42-Ceiling-Fan/p6682/)

Check The Solar.Biz as well. I bought the RCH Vari-Cyclone from them. The Cyclone model has wind tunnel developed blades and moves more air for the power consumed than the typical flat paddle blades in the standard model. Combine that with the Solar Converters electronic variable speed control and you have a real cool package. Mine is 24 VDC as well.

http://thesolar.biz/RCH%20Fan%20Works%20DC%20Fans.htm

The way it's built it's impossible to fit lights to it. There are a few 120 VAC ceiling fans that use the Cyclone blades. FYI, these blades were designed by the same guy who designed the propeller for the Gossamer Albatross (Across the English Channel, man powered flight.)

(https://i133.photobucket.com/albums/q75/djmillerbucket/jemez%20mountain%20property2/mini-P1000525a.jpg)


Closet Lights:
The cabin does not have closets; hooks on the wall by the door, two large chest of drawers for clothes, towels and stuff. Plus there will be box storage under the bed. Remember it is a part time residence.

At home virtually all the lights are fluorescent. We've had F30 and F40 style tubes in many places for 25 years. All the other commonly used lamps were converted to CFL's something like 10 years ago; maybe more. I just switched them out over time. 

Most closets are wide and only one shirt deep with wide sliding doors, so there's no real need to a light in them. One larger closet has a light. It also has a skylight so much of the time the light is not turned on. The light in there is a 60 watt incandescent. It is actuated by a photocell / motion sensor switch with a manual on-ready-off override. If it daytime it's bright enough so the light does not come on. When it's darker the motion sensor turns the light on when you enter.

I also have the same switches in a couple other spots like the front entrance & garage. Those are also controlling incandescent lamps, not CFL. My reasoning is they are seldom on and then only for short times. Incandescent is better suited for that purpose in my opinion. CFL's don't always put out their full lumen rating until they warm up; another reason to avoid them for rapid on-off locations. I believe there is more to be lost with the premature death of a CFL than is lost with limited time use of an incandescent lamp.

I also feel that at their current development level LED's don't deliver enough light for the purchase dollar expended.

Title: Re: 30x40 Earth Berm Passive Solar in Maine
Post by: Bishopknight on May 05, 2009, 03:28:47 PM
Thanks MountainDon,

This entire house is a "process". Anyone thats read my blog knows I've changed my mind numerous times on numerous things.

I am glad though I'm at the more interesting parts of building my house, namely energy efficiency. For instance, I'm considering building my own "passive solar batch water heater"

I found a great article over on DIYSolar using PEX that details the steps.
http://www.builditsolar.com/Experimental/PEXCollector/PEXCollector.htm (http://www.builditsolar.com/Experimental/PEXCollector/PEXCollector.htm)
Naturally, I'm a huge fan of pex due to its ease of use plus, I already have all the materials on hand that I don't need ( extra 1/2" pex leftover, aluminum sheeting, caulk, plywood, 1" polystyrene insulation )

Plus, this is something I can build at home too.

Btw, as far as progress goes, 5 doors are in with doorknobs. Drywall has been hung in the master bedroom, closets, guest bedroom , hallway and part of the living room and office. More pics coming next week :)
Title: Re: 30x40 Earth Berm Passive Solar in Maine
Post by: speedfunk on May 05, 2009, 09:15:06 PM
More pics!!!!  Yeah, the energy stuff is def. the fun stuff.   Evacuated tubes maybe?  That build it solar site is a really great resource!
Title: Re: 30x40 Earth Berm Passive Solar in Maine
Post by: glenn kangiser on May 05, 2009, 11:22:43 PM
You're doing great BK.  Thanks for the update.
Title: Re: 30x40 Earth Berm Passive Solar in Maine
Post by: Pritch on May 06, 2009, 03:50:15 AM
Thanks for the link, BK!  Sounds like a great project.  One thing I noted from Gary's plan is that he emphasized that polystyrene would not stand up to the high heat and that there is another "poly-something-or-other" (technical term)  ;D that was better suited. 

-- Pritch

Title: Re: 30x40 Earth Berm Passive Solar in Maine
Post by: Bishopknight on May 12, 2009, 05:35:24 AM
I assume you mean the the pex-alum-pex Pritch. Yes you're right, I cant use my regular pex in the actual heater.

Anyways, I have pics from this past weekend that are going to go up tonight. I haven't been updating this blog with pics lately because I'm either up in Maine 3 or 4 days a week or working like crazy to just keep up with the cost of building this house. When I am home, I usually spend my free time with my lady. We saw Star Trek last night. It was excellent.

This past weekend:

Next weeks task list


I also bought a "Flip" video recorder for $60 on Amazon. It takes up to 30 minutes of video and converts it to .mpg so I can upload it to youtube or my website. I tried it out last night and it works great. I hope to test it out this weekend in the house, giving a 3 minute tour of the entire place
http://www.amazon.com/Flip-Video-Ultra-Camcorder-30-Minutes/dp/B000V1PXL4/ref=sr_1_4?ie=UTF8&s=electronics&qid=1242125249&sr=8-4 (http://www.amazon.com/Flip-Video-Ultra-Camcorder-30-Minutes/dp/B000V1PXL4/ref=sr_1_4?ie=UTF8&s=electronics&qid=1242125249&sr=8-4)
Title: Re: 30x40 Earth Berm Passive Solar in Maine
Post by: HomeschoolMom on May 12, 2009, 07:55:56 AM
Can't wait for pics!!!! :D
Title: Re: 30x40 Earth Berm Passive Solar in Maine
Post by: EcoHeliGuy on May 12, 2009, 09:05:01 AM
Hey BK

I have been having problems with your website, most of your photo's arn't loading, but If I open them in a new tab they do.

I am using safari, If your on windows you can download a windows version of safari for troubleshooting.

Keep the photo's and Video coming   ;D

Title: Re: 30x40 Earth Berm Passive Solar in Maine
Post by: Bishopknight on May 12, 2009, 10:01:35 AM
You're the 2nd person to mention that. Sorry about that McBane, its probably because I'm trying to link pictures from google picasa incase my bandwidth explodes or something.

I'm probably just going to put all pictures up there though. I haven't experienced any bandwidth problems yet so if something happened, I'd just deal with it then.
Title: Re: 30x40 Earth Berm Passive Solar in Maine
Post by: Bishopknight on May 12, 2009, 06:05:36 PM

Heres the 1 and 2" conduit, tri-plex and 4 ought SEU wire for the meter to panel connection. I also got a 100' of 1" water line.
(https://i221.photobucket.com/albums/dd261/bishopknight1977/100_5398.jpg)

Most of the kitchen drywalled but pex elbow sections not hung until I can pressure test them. The utility room is not drywalled at all where pex or DWV is located. 
(https://i221.photobucket.com/albums/dd261/bishopknight1977/100_5399.jpg)

Main hallway hung with drywall with an above head storage compartment which will hold quite a bit of things.
(https://i221.photobucket.com/albums/dd261/bishopknight1977/100_5400.jpg)

Shot of the shower. Next time I will photograph the actual pex installation I've done.
(https://i221.photobucket.com/albums/dd261/bishopknight1977/100_5402.jpg)

Another view of the living room. The 4 ought quad-plex SEU is not installed yet because I had to order a 200 amp disconnect combo box.
(https://i221.photobucket.com/albums/dd261/bishopknight1977/100_5404.jpg)

Shot of the entryway.
(https://i221.photobucket.com/albums/dd261/bishopknight1977/100_5405.jpg)

My master bedroom with queen bed and tv/dvd combo unit ( great for relaxing and watching Battlestar Galactica on )
(https://i221.photobucket.com/albums/dd261/bishopknight1977/100_5406.jpg)

My $400 craigslist Vermont Castings Wood Stove. This sucker is heavy.
(https://i221.photobucket.com/albums/dd261/bishopknight1977/100_5410.jpg)

Title: Re: 30x40 Earth Berm Passive Solar in Maine
Post by: Alasdair on May 12, 2009, 07:19:15 PM
BK,
It's looking good, You're fairly rattlin along there! Great buy on the stove - we just got an "aspen" by vermont castings on kijiji for $500 cnd and considered that a good deal! I checked out your vid on youtube. I thought you came across very well. Good of you to put your hard won knowledge out there for others. Nice one. [cool]
Al
Title: Re: 30x40 Earth Berm Passive Solar in Maine
Post by: MountainDon on May 12, 2009, 07:48:34 PM
Quote from: Bishopknight on May 12, 2009, 06:05:36 PM

My $400 craigslist Vermont Castings Wood Stove. This sucker is heavy.

Oooh! A porcelain one.  :)    

Heavy... nothing but the best recycled American V8 iron... well maybe not just V8's   ;D
Title: Re: 30x40 Earth Berm Passive Solar in Maine
Post by: bobtheengineer on May 12, 2009, 09:03:25 PM
Just one question for you.  Based on an observation, I haven't ever seen before.  What was the reason for putting lumber perpendicular to the roof trusses?  I've always seen it done, with the drywall attached directly to the btm chords of the trusses.  There must be a reason for what you did, just curious.
Title: Re: 30x40 Earth Berm Passive Solar in Maine
Post by: MountainDon on May 12, 2009, 09:13:30 PM
I'm not sure why BK did it; sometimes that is done as it provides a method, a chance, to even out any irregularities the the trusses or ceiling joists. There was some other reason I read about and have forgotten.  d*
Title: Re: 30x40 Earth Berm Passive Solar in Maine
Post by: sjdehner on May 12, 2009, 09:49:33 PM
Hey Bishop,

You're certainly making some nice progress out there in the hinterlands...your place looks great! All that dry-walling...ugh. But it's wonderful to have it done.

Today marked the "end" of our building process here on the coast. Continued success and joy with your project!

Nice stove too. We have a VC's Encore on the main floor (also porcelain) and a little Aspen for the insulated basement. The top-loading is nice but we noticed that we have to add fresh rope gasket each season.

Thanks for sharing more pictures,

Shawn & Jamie
Title: Re: 30x40 Earth Berm Passive Solar in Maine
Post by: Bishopknight on May 12, 2009, 10:13:50 PM
Thanks Alasdair, I just tossed that video up there. I look tired in it.  I'm having fun with it all though.

LOL MountainDon  ;D

Hey Bob, those are 1x3 strapping. I did it to make laying the drywall easier and also to be able to put up the insulation back in January without stapling it to the trusses. Also, when a piece of drywall doesnt land right on the next strapping, I can just put up a scrap piece ( if theres room ) and not have to cut the drywall. Works out really nice for us lazy drywallers :) MountainDons right also, I heard it helps with smoothing out irregularities. I was a little worried just going end to end on truss with drywall and the strapping was really cheap so it worked out good for me.

Congrats Shawn and Jamie! I've shown your site to my girlfriend. Your house is beautiful. You've accomplished something many people can only dream of.

Title: Re: 30x40 Earth Berm Passive Solar in Maine
Post by: Pritch on May 13, 2009, 12:24:26 AM
Quote from: Bishopknight on May 12, 2009, 05:35:24 AM
I assume you mean the the pex-alum-pex Pritch. Yes you're right, I cant use my regular pex in the actual heater.

Nope, actually I was referring to the 1" polystyrene insulation.  Solar Gary warned against using this in the panels or in the tank.  The other poly-whatsit had a much higher heat tolerance. 

Looking good. 

-- Pritch
Title: Re: 30x40 Earth Berm Passive Solar in Maine
Post by: drainl on May 13, 2009, 10:46:15 AM
Love that red stove!  We aren't having much luck with the Craigslist in our area. 
Title: Re: 30x40 Earth Berm Passive Solar in Maine
Post by: Dog on May 13, 2009, 04:20:07 PM
OMG! I can't believe how much work you get done so fast flying solo! Your house is coming out amazing. That red stove is so cool!

Thank you so much for sharing your experiences with this endeavor. It is so helpful seeing how much is involved with this type of project and the creative ways it can be done cost effectively!
Title: Re: 30x40 Earth Berm Passive Solar in Maine
Post by: EcoHeliGuy on May 13, 2009, 04:24:48 PM
BK are you still planing to keep us up to date on cost? Have you lost track yet?

I think we all understand its pretty personal, but we like to see a good deal too.
Title: Re: 30x40 Earth Berm Passive Solar in Maine
Post by: sjdehner on May 14, 2009, 07:58:36 AM
I sincerely admire your hard work. It took Jamie and I nearly two years to get where we are with our house with help along the way. But there are things that in retrospect we'd like to have done ourselves (and will do next time around if we build again).

It's inspiring to see you doing some of these other tasks on your own. I was impressed when I saw you doing your own site work - very impressed indeed!

Keep up the good work and keep posting!

shawn (and jamie)
Title: Re: 30x40 Earth Berm Passive Solar in Maine
Post by: Bishopknight on May 14, 2009, 09:04:38 AM
Thanks Dog. Thats really nice of you to say  ;D

McBane. Heres a best guess cost estimate. Note that tool costs and appliances are not included but make up a good portion of cost.

FOUNDATION
$5000 - foundation ( all costs )
--------------------------------------------
$5000

EXTERIOR WALLS
$1700 - cement blocks, rebar and cement for U-block channel
$300 - Quicrete Structured Bonding Cement
$1000 - exterior framing lumber, plywood & tyvek
$1250 - windows
$400 - labor
---------------------------------------------
$4650

ROOF
$2400 - trusses
$900 - roof sheathing
$1500 - shingles
$200 - roof tool rental
$2000 - labor
---------------------------------------------
$7000

INTERIOR FRAMING
$1100 - R38 attic insulation / strapping
$350 - R19 wall insulation / plastic
$1200 - interior framing wood
$600 - labor
---------------------------------------------
$3250

PLUMBING / ELECTRIC / VARIOUS
$2500 - all electrical costs, including hookup
$500 - Cat5e / Coax / Speaker wire / panel / router / leviton quikport connectors / hdmi cable / av cable / ceiling speakers
$1000 - Drain Waste Vent / Pex plumbing
$200 - Panasonic bathroom fan-light vent
$300 - Labor
---------------------------------------------
$4500

FINISH WORK
$1200 - Drywall
$150 - 10 buckets of Senco Automatic Drywall Screws
$200 - Drywall compound / tape / knockdown mix
$550 - 7, 30" Doors w/ jambs, no trim
$100 - Interior Door knobs
$150 - 36" Fiberglass Entry door
$50   - Entry door Brushed Nickel Entry Handle Set
$700 - Baseboard, door & window trim
$400 - Window hardware and Screens
$300 - labor
$200 - storm / screen door
$1000 - cedar shingling & stain
$300 - Bathroom vanity & toilet
$300 - Bath tile and shower door
$2000 - Kitchen cabinets
---------------------------------------------
$7600

Grand Total
$32,600

P.S: Flooring is not decided / included yet
Title: Re: 30x40 Earth Berm Passive Solar in Maine
Post by: EcoHeliGuy on May 14, 2009, 10:00:37 AM
Nicely done.

Gives me an Idea for my 30X50 house I'm planing.

I would have to kill someone to get that good of a deal i think.  ???
Title: Re: 30x40 Earth Berm Passive Solar in Maine
Post by: Bishopknight on May 14, 2009, 10:33:10 AM
Thanks McBane,

Its far from done and I probably forgot a few things but thats the basic raw material and labor cost for the house itself. Having my own backhoe saved me ALOT of money on the foundation and will on the septic and drainfield. It saved me on the driveway and trench for electrical and water as well. I've probably recouped $20,000 of the $25,000 dollar investment in the Backhoe already.
Title: Re: 30x40 Earth Berm Passive Solar in Maine
Post by: EcoHeliGuy on May 14, 2009, 05:09:35 PM
Have you thought about just staining your concert floors?

I have seen where people have laid tape down before applying the acid, to make the look of grout lines.
Title: Re: 30x40 Earth Berm Passive Solar in Maine
Post by: Bishopknight on May 15, 2009, 11:31:54 AM
McBane,

When we poured the foundation, we didn't have the tools we needed to make a perfectly flat surface at the time so we went with a brush stroke rough surface. I don't know if I can pour another layer of cement on top of that and then finish it the way you're talking about. I was just figuring wood and tile floors at some point.

Btw, for those interested in Solar power, I found really well priced AGM ( Absorbant Glass Mat ) Batteries at Northeast Battery in Auburn Ma. I'm a big fan of AGM because of its safer characteristics and hassle free maintenance. Heres their prices:

134 AH, 12v battery = $195 ea    ( $1.45 per AH, $3 total savings over 2 below )
100 AH, 12v battery = $148 ea    ( $1.48 per AH )
88   AH, 12v battery = $131 ea    ( $1.48 per AH )

I already have 4, 88 AH AGM, 12v batteries so I'm looking to add to my bank cost effectively. I'm not sure if adding newer batteries to an older bank is smart or not, but I'm figuring if I ran a 24v system and added one new one to each parallel bank, it probably wouldn't hurt. I'll do additional research.

Northeast Battery
240 Washington Street
Auburn, Massachusetts 01501
United States
Telephone: 508-832-2700 or 800-441-8824
Fax: 508-832-2706
Email: sales@northeastbattery.com
Web Site: http://www.northeastbattery.com
Title: Re: 30x40 Earth Berm Passive Solar in Maine
Post by: Mike 870 on May 15, 2009, 11:46:08 AM
From everything I have read, adding new batteries to an old bank is not a good thing to do.  Never tried it myself though.
Title: Re: 30x40 Earth Berm Passive Solar in Maine
Post by: MountainDon on May 15, 2009, 12:03:09 PM
Quote from: Bishopknight on May 15, 2009, 11:31:54 AM

I already have 4, 88 AH AGM, 12v batteries so I'm looking to add to my bank cost effectively. I'm not sure if adding newer batteries to an older bank is smart or not

I agree with Mike, everything I've read states that adding batteries to a system that has been in service for a year or more is NOT a good idea. The older batteries will drag the performance of the newer batteries down to their level.

I doubt that it matters if you introduce one new battery to each series string or simply make new parallel strings. It's like inserting a rusty partially clogged pipe into a water system.
Title: Re: 30x40 Earth Berm Passive Solar in Maine
Post by: glenn kangiser on May 16, 2009, 12:35:31 AM
I have heard that adding more within a year does not matter much.

I have 5 year old, 4 year old, 3 year old and 4 months old all working together.  I am going to eventually break each parallel group of batteries out with switches to separate them as a group. Currently I unbolt a buss bar or cable as necessary.

I have recently read that it is best to equalize with them completely off of the system and it matches with my equipment.  I equalize with a DC welder.  Separating them out to equalize will prevent damage to sensitive electronics.

I think it is best to have groups of parallel batteries be of the same age  but if all are up to equalization every so often and SG will come up decent I think they will work - likely not ideal but doable.  This is where good care of the oindividual groups will help - wish I was better at it and gave the batteries the time they deserve. d*
Title: Re: 30x40 Earth Berm Passive Solar in Maine
Post by: Bishopknight on May 18, 2009, 12:20:54 PM
I should either stick with them or sell them and start over then.

Thanks Glenn and Don
Title: Re: 30x40 Earth Berm Passive Solar in Maine
Post by: MaineRhino on May 18, 2009, 03:15:44 PM
If you decide to sell, I may be interested. I may need some advice too!

Do you deliver?   :)
Title: Re: 30x40 Earth Berm Passive Solar in Maine
Post by: Dog on May 18, 2009, 08:29:44 PM
Hey Bk... would you ever consider building a cave? I agree with you about the JD. That is gold. Congrats on a wise decision. You can totally plow in the winter for starters and build AWESOME caves!  ;D

The house looks great. Sorry to hear about having to dig up the rock garden. In future years the garden will be perfect with all that good light! Maybe even this year.

All this Solar stuff seems complicated. It's good to know though. It seems to keep on changing. Hopefully it will catch on.



Title: Re: 30x40 Earth Berm Passive Solar in Maine
Post by: Bishopknight on May 20, 2009, 08:18:36 AM
Sure Troy, if I buy those new batteries I'll let you know. Probably wont be right away though.

Dog,
LOL, You mean like this guy?
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem=&item=330306913609&ssPageName=ADME:B:EF:US:1123 (http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem=&item=330306913609&ssPageName=ADME:B:EF:US:1123)

I guess I'd actually consider it if I had a 15,000 sq ft cave  ;D

Btw, I drew a diagram of my plumbing system. If anyone thinks I'm missing something important or has some suggestions, feel free to speak up. Btw, I'm using platforms so I can put everything into a small space that minimizes 90 degree bends. P.S: There will also be valves on the passive batch water heater as well.

(http://www.earthbermhouse.info/images/plumbing.JPG)
Title: Re: 30x40 Earth Berm Passive Solar in Maine
Post by: MountainDon on May 21, 2009, 10:31:10 AM
I'm interested in knowing how you are going to connect the passive heater into the propane fueled water heater tank, given that the propane comes with only a standard cold, hot and drain.



eems to me the cold water pipe should go to the passive. The warmed water from the passive should enter the propane tank via the cold. Plus there should be a bypass loop with (ball) valves to isolate the passive in cold weather.

OR, is the passive system heating water/glycol and using a heat transfer coil to warm the potable water?

I guess there are many possibilities.
Title: Re: 30x40 Earth Berm Passive Solar in Maine
Post by: Bishopknight on May 21, 2009, 11:35:46 AM
Aha, you stumped me. I haven't figured that part out yet. Actually I'm hoping to plumb everything except for the water heater this weekend.

I thought i had seen a few water heaters that allow for passive batch heating, but honestly i need to look more into it. But your right it may just be a copper loop you fill with antifreeze or glycol.

Title: Re: 30x40 Earth Berm Passive Solar in Maine
Post by: EcoHeliGuy on May 21, 2009, 11:42:15 AM
In my set up, I will have an insulated water tank with heat exchanger in it, the cold water enters this first, heated by the glycol, then leaves the tank and enters the tankless water heater on its way to the faucet, hot sunny day the tankless heater might not even trip on. ::)
Title: Re: 30x40 Earth Berm Passive Solar in Maine
Post by: MountainDon on May 21, 2009, 01:14:51 PM
If you do use a glycol loop it has to be propylene glycol, the non toxic more expensive stuff.   Ditto on in floor radiant heat systems, IIRC.
Title: Re: 30x40 Earth Berm Passive Solar in Maine
Post by: Bishopknight on May 26, 2009, 07:23:02 AM
This vacation weekend I was determined to get the pump working and pressurizing water for me so I could test the pex lines. As someone with no prior plumbing experience, its been hard trying to learn how to design a freeze proof water supply system from scratch. Hopefully my diagrams and pictures will help some other DIYer.

In these 2 pictures you can see that I have a black arcing poly tube. Prior to placing that, I had a series of 90 degree PVC elbows causing friction for the flow. This rework definitely helps cut down on friction, especially using a 1/2 HP shallow well jet pump.
(https://i221.photobucket.com/albums/dd261/bishopknight1977/100_5436.jpg)

I actually got up to 37 psi pressure in the system, enough to start testing the cold water pex. There were 2 places it was leaking. A the drop elbows of the bathroom faucets. The good news is that every copper crimping never leaked once. It impressed me that pex was that waterproof ( at 37 psi mind you ). Either way, I am running the supply line 200 feet horizontally from the well so I probably have some air pockets in it that are stopping me from continuously pumping water. It was frustrating because I poured about 6 hrs into it and only had some success.
(https://i221.photobucket.com/albums/dd261/bishopknight1977/100_5437.jpg)

I did a lot of drywalling, as shown below. As well as some taping and bedding ( starting in closets first ). This took the majority of my time and the taping and bedding will definitely take more time as well. I'm probably 90% done hanging drywall.
(https://i221.photobucket.com/albums/dd261/bishopknight1977/100_5440.jpg)

(https://i221.photobucket.com/albums/dd261/bishopknight1977/100_5443.jpg)

(https://i221.photobucket.com/albums/dd261/bishopknight1977/100_5444.jpg)

(https://i221.photobucket.com/albums/dd261/bishopknight1977/100_5445.jpg)

(https://i221.photobucket.com/albums/dd261/bishopknight1977/100_5446.jpg)

(https://i221.photobucket.com/albums/dd261/bishopknight1977/100_5447.jpg)

(https://i221.photobucket.com/albums/dd261/bishopknight1977/100_5449.jpg)

(https://i221.photobucket.com/albums/dd261/bishopknight1977/100_5450.jpg)

(https://i221.photobucket.com/albums/dd261/bishopknight1977/100_5451.jpg)

(https://i221.photobucket.com/albums/dd261/bishopknight1977/100_5452.jpg)

(https://i221.photobucket.com/albums/dd261/bishopknight1977/100_5453.jpg)

I also had something break on my backhoe this weekend. While I was using the machine, I suddenly heard a loud hissing sound and looked out and saw purple hydraulic fluid spraying out from below the backhoe. I shut down the machine and after some manual reading and diagnosis, I believe either one of the hoses or the valve to the stabilizer arms sprung a leak. I'm hoping its only a hose. The valve would be expensive. Either way its not a fun repair.
(https://i221.photobucket.com/albums/dd261/bishopknight1977/100_5457.jpg)
Title: Re: 30x40 Earth Berm Passive Solar in Maine
Post by: HomeschoolMom on May 26, 2009, 09:04:20 AM
You made my morning!  Of course, my fam thinks I am nuts as I was singing, "BK has an update..." d* 
Title: Re: 30x40 Earth Berm Passive Solar in Maine
Post by: Bishopknight on May 26, 2009, 09:31:34 AM
Wait till you see some of the videos I took.   I'll upload them tonight.

Btw, anyone is free to use my concrete block & plank furniture designs  ;D
Title: Re: 30x40 Earth Berm Passive Solar in Maine
Post by: speedfunk on May 26, 2009, 02:02:15 PM
The bench is pretty damn awsome!  Esp the custom screw driver holder  [cool]

Yeah some days are frustrating right.  At least the plumbing is coming along.  I know what you mean about being on the low end of the learning curve.  I went today to find 2" HDPE black poly pipe for the spring to the spot where I'm going to need the water for the concrete.  Well, try to find 2" poly pipe!  Finally after a good portion of today and a good 3 or 4 hours the other day I found an industrial / commerical wholesaler who sold it and had it in stock ..woot.  He says you want a ball valve , I say um..what are the options and what is a ball valve lol.  What i've found nice about dealing with these guys (along with electric supply company) is that he gave me every connection piece and was very knowledgable.  He sold better quality 160psi (compare to 100 psi, the stuff lowes sold)

Ah can't wait till the pex stuff like you've done.  Special tools etc lol. I've used pex though before and it's really nice.  I did some homework also very safe drinking as well.  Also congrats on all that drywall.  Keep us up to date with how the water is going.
Title: Re: 30x40 Earth Berm Passive Solar in Maine
Post by: HomeschoolMom on May 26, 2009, 02:02:51 PM
Actually my mom put together a simular unit for our stereo when I was a kid  :-[

On another note, did you ever consider slip form walls?  I just kind of came across them and wondered if you had looked at them?
Title: Re: 30x40 Earth Berm Passive Solar in Maine
Post by: Bishopknight on May 26, 2009, 08:17:50 PM
LOL thanks jeff, you have good eyes to notice that. Ya, I've never seen 2" poly pipe at Lowes. When I bought my 2" Extruded foam for the foundation, it had to be high PSI load tolerant, so that of course meant I had to find it at a specialty dealer. Needless to say it was a major pain in the a$$. I had to drive an hour 40 minutes south of portland, me to pick it up and then strap down a ridiculous amount of sheets to my utility trailer, then drive back at 30 mph on the highway for an hr and a half.......not fun!

Michelle, I kind of went by Rob Roys book and avoided slip forms thinking it would be cheaper and easier to do. It probably wasn't in retrospect, I dunno.

Anyways, heres the 7 minute tour of my house I promised. I took this a week ago so it doesnt reflect the latest updates. There are other videos up on my youtube channel now also. 3 total so far regarding my house.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FXSsYFwvXfI (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FXSsYFwvXfI)
Title: Re: 30x40 Earth Berm Passive Solar in Maine
Post by: Bishopknight on June 04, 2009, 11:38:40 AM
I just thought I would share my experience reaching out to 2 other specialty forums for some setbacks I'm encountering at the moment ( and I've had quite my share already  d* ). I just posted the plumbing question but my Tractor question posted late last week has received numerous helpful replies. Of course it goes without saying that if anyone here has any advice on either of these subjects, your suggestions are welcomed.

Pink fluid leaking from my backhoe:
http://www.tractorbynet.com/forums/showthread.php?p=1674346#post1674346 (http://www.tractorbynet.com/forums/showthread.php?p=1674346#post1674346)

Shallow well pump not being able to break 35 psi.
http://www.terrylove.com/forums/showthread.php?p=204193#post204193 (http://www.terrylove.com/forums/showthread.php?p=204193#post204193)

Edit: ( update on 7-29-09 ) I gave up and ended up paying a well installer $1200 to put in a submersible pump
Title: Re: 30x40 Earth Berm Passive Solar in Maine
Post by: ScottA on June 04, 2009, 01:01:43 PM
RE: Your pump pressure problem

If you open a valve will water flow steady or do you get spitting?
Title: Re: 30x40 Earth Berm Passive Solar in Maine
Post by: ScottA on June 04, 2009, 04:29:47 PM
Ok I got 2 theories.

1. You said the well is only 4' deep? What's the water volume above the foot valve? Any chance it's pulling the water down far enough to suck air?

2. You may have a leak in your pipe somewhere.

200' is a long ways for one of those little pumps but if the rise is only 4' it should be ok. That type of pump is only good up to about 25' of head.
Title: Re: 30x40 Earth Berm Passive Solar in Maine
Post by: secordpd on June 15, 2009, 12:27:37 AM
QuoteThanks for the link, BK!  Sounds like a great project.  One thing I noted from Gary's plan is that he emphasized that polystyrene would not stand up to the high heat and that there is another "poly-something-or-other" (technical term)  Grin that was better suited.

I believe the plastic Gary was referring to was the corrugated roof panels used for the collector - Pritch and BK.  There are 2 kinds

1)SunTuf polycarbonate
2)SunTuf pvc

The polycarb is more expensive, but made to stand up to higher temps, thats why he suggests using it over the cheaper pvc panels.  Just go to Lowes or HD and feel them, you can tell the difference.

The tubing he uses is not the pex that you plumb your house with. it's the radiant floor heat tubing that has I believe aluminum in it.  From Gary's site

QuoteWhy PEX-AL-PEX?

PEX-AL-PEX pipe is a PEX pipe with an aluminum layer sandwiched between an inner and outer layer of PEX.



I believe that its a better choice for collectors than standard PEX for the following reasons:

    *

      It is easily bent in to tight turns AND it retains its shape without spring back.  This is a very nice feature.
       
    *

      It has higher working and burst pressures than ordinary PEX.
      The PEX-AL-PEX I used (Mr. PEX) is rated for 160 psi at 200F.
      Standard PEX is rated at 80 psi at 200F, and 160 psi at 73F.
       
    *

      It has better thermal conductivity that regular PEX -- this should result in somewhat better heat transfer from the aluminum fins through the PEX to the water.
          PEX-AL-PEX 3.1 BTU/h-ft F for half inch tubing
          PEX  2.6 BTU/h-ft-F for half inch tubing
       
    *

      It has a much lower coefficient of thermal expansion than PEX, and is more compatible with the expansion rate of the metal fins.
       
    *

      It may be somewhat more tolerant of freezing.  It will probably withstand several freeze thaw cycles, BUT will NOT withstand continual freeze thaw cycles.


Hope this clears it up a little for you both.  The reason I knew this is because I studied it this winter hoping to make one this summer, but decided to build my screen porch instead.  Need to cut a few more trees down before I can build Gary's solar hot water heater. 

Just want to say howdy neighbor to you BK.  Luv your home, it's so cool. Helen~`~`~`

Title: Re: 30x40 Earth Berm Passive Solar in Maine
Post by: Bishopknight on June 16, 2009, 12:03:35 AM
Thanks Helen!  ;D

So on with my update. I have power now!!!

(https://i221.photobucket.com/albums/dd261/bishopknight1977/100_5491.jpg)

I also fixed my backhoe last weekend. One pic is of diagnosing the leak and other is me feeling proud of fixing this myself, lol. My first semi-major repair. It only cost $75 to replace the hose

(https://i221.photobucket.com/albums/dd261/bishopknight1977/100_5465.jpg)

(https://i221.photobucket.com/albums/dd261/bishopknight1977/100_5471.jpg)

And here I am back to work and putting Grace to work  ;D

The weather is absolutely amazing right now. The black flies are gone and the horseflies aren't too bad at the moment. The house stays very cool because of all the thermal mass. No need for air conditioning ( yet ). The test comes in july/august of course and I'll report back. But I'm installing a ceiling fan this weekend so that will help for the warmer nights ahead. 

(https://i221.photobucket.com/albums/dd261/bishopknight1977/100_5486.jpg)

(https://i221.photobucket.com/albums/dd261/bishopknight1977/100_5468.jpg)


Title: Re: 30x40 Earth Berm Passive Solar in Maine
Post by: HomeschoolMom on June 16, 2009, 01:29:42 PM
I am so happy to see an update! :)  Your girlfriend is a cutie and looks to be a sport about it too.  Better hold on to that one. ;D
Title: Re: 30x40 Earth Berm Passive Solar in Maine
Post by: glenn kangiser on June 16, 2009, 11:24:55 PM
Great to see the update, BK and Grace. :)
Title: Re: 30x40 Earth Berm Passive Solar in Maine
Post by: Bishopknight on July 02, 2009, 12:38:46 PM
I took last weekend off but the weekend before I brought my 12v batteries home and charged them up with a Schumacher charger I bought at walmart for $44 that does 2/6/12 and it worked great ( I did have to charge some multiple times though ). They're all back to 12.9v again. So I'm bringing them back to Maine and hooking them into my new array. I'm going to build a shelf that will support 300 lbs where the horizontal 2x4 in this picture is. There really is no better place for them unfortunately. Its a utility room though so who cares.  ( They're AGM non-gassing ventless batteries btw ). I'm sticking with 12v ( rather than 24v ) so i can still use my 12v inverter. I'm just going to make sure my wires are the necessary guages to minimize voltage resistance.

(http://earthbermhouse.info/blog/image.axd?picture=2009%2f6%2fPicture+011b.jpg)

(http://earthbermhouse.info/blog/image.axd?picture=2009%2f6%2fPicture+016b.jpg)

Also, here is a picture of the wall inside my office where I can monitor the battery bank power via the Morningstar Charge Controller remote display. I basically ran a 50 ft wire up through the attic down next to the studs. They also sell a remote on/off button panel for my inverter as well for $36 which I may buy and mount next to the Morningstar remote.

(http://earthbermhouse.info/blog/image.axd?picture=2009%2f6%2fPicture+009b.jpg)
Title: Re: 30x40 Earth Berm Passive Solar in Maine
Post by: sjdehner on July 03, 2009, 06:54:09 AM
Hey Bishop...

You're making some great progress. It must feel nice to be getting up some drywall. It can be a lot of work - I remember quite well!

And what's the story with the *sunshine* in those photographs? Good grief, we've not seen the sun over here near the coast in more than six weeks. Plenty of rain, fog and clouds.

Last night we had a thundering lightning storm that bowled across the state from the West (it seems).

Is your solar array working well through all the dark skies - or are you actually basking beneath the sun in the mountains?

Nice pictures.

Shawn
Title: Re: 30x40 Earth Berm Passive Solar in Maine
Post by: Bishopknight on July 03, 2009, 08:19:09 AM
Hey Shawn,

Its actually disconnected right now as I move everything over from the little 12x16 to the 30x40 but if it was, based on past performance, it probably wouldn't be great. Certainly enough to keep the batterys charged but very little else.

My wonderful girlfriend got me a new camera for my birthday so I'll be displaying pictures in style from now on. 8 megapixel.  ;D

I plan on taking some pics this weekend to post :)
Title: Re: 30x40 Earth Berm Passive Solar in Maine
Post by: EcoHeliGuy on July 05, 2009, 12:13:44 PM
So after your house is done, how far is the drive to town? work?
Title: Re: 30x40 Earth Berm Passive Solar in Maine
Post by: Bishopknight on July 08, 2009, 09:57:27 PM
Lewiston is 30 minutes away and they have a lowes, home depot, kohls, best buy, movie theater, 99, longhorn steakhouse, ruby tuesdays , applebees, margaritas, autozone, walmart, bj's, ect

Portland is 1 hour 20 minutes away.

I have a great job in Massachussetts, but if they laid me off I'd try to find work in portland. But with this economy, you have to hold onto what you have.

When this house is done, it will be easy to heat and require no air-conditioning due to the earth berming and insulated slab, produce its own water ( natural spring), heat (wood) and food (garden) as well as power ( micro hydro & solar ) and have free HDTV ( roof antenna ).

Anyways, onto the pictures.

Here's my new ginormous UHF 60 mile range antenna mounted to the roof with a tripod mount. I ordered it from www.solidsignal.com because they had the cheapest prices I could find. The antenna is a Winegard and is VHF only. I chose VHF and not a UHF/VHF combo because the channels I wanted were in the lower frequencies and it was more expensive for the combo units. For the mount, mast and antenna, it was around $100.
(https://i221.photobucket.com/albums/dd261/bishopknight1977/100_0120.jpg)

Grace taping and bedding joints in the living room, and doing quite a good job at it!
(https://i221.photobucket.com/albums/dd261/bishopknight1977/100_0122.jpg)

Another picture of our drywall taping progress in the living room. I'm using metal flex tape on the corners by the way. I tried using 45 minute setting compound this weekend. Boy oh boy, that stuff dries QUICK. I mixed way too much. But I used about 30% of what I mixed.
(https://i221.photobucket.com/albums/dd261/bishopknight1977/100_0132.jpg)

Here's the tub surround done in Durock. I'm going to tile it, but I'm not sure with what yet. 
(https://i221.photobucket.com/albums/dd261/bishopknight1977/100_0116.jpg)

Lastly, my local well contractor and I installed my 2 4' well tiles as well since we had good weather ( finally ). Here he is laying the gravel bed which the tiles now sit on. I just have to finish backfilling around the 2 tiles with sand. My well installer said I was getting 50gpm from the well. In this picture, we had pumped it out with a 200gpm pump.
(https://i221.photobucket.com/albums/dd261/bishopknight1977/100_0138.jpg)

All in all, a very productive weekend.


Title: Re: 30x40 Earth Berm Passive Solar in Maine
Post by: EcoHeliGuy on July 08, 2009, 10:05:35 PM
Oh I hear you about the job.

I'm an Aircraft maintenance engineer in Alberta, I work on helicopters, 25% of our work is oil, gas, forestry, and minerals. I'm very much feeling this economy.  :(
Title: Re: 30x40 Earth Berm Passive Solar in Maine
Post by: MaineRhino on July 12, 2009, 07:15:18 PM
Looks great BK!  How do you like that antenna?
Title: Re: 30x40 Earth Berm Passive Solar in Maine
Post by: glenn kangiser on July 14, 2009, 01:13:32 AM
Great job, BK and Grace.  


The well is a developed spring then?  Total depth is 8' ?  I'm always interested in well details.

Sorry if I missed details somewhere - not enough time to get to everything anymore.
Title: Re: 30x40 Earth Berm Passive Solar in Maine
Post by: Bishopknight on July 14, 2009, 11:45:42 AM
The Antennas excellent for bringing in channel 8-1 and 8-2 ( ABC ) in Waterville to the south about 50 miles away. I bought a Channelmaster Titan 7777 Pre-Amp for $60 which should allow me to get nearby channel 7 ( NBC ) and 10 ( CBS ) as well. I will report back on how it works. Fox and PBS come 30 miles away out of Augusta to the east so I wouldn't need as strong an antenna for those.

Ya, so the total depth of the well is 8'. The reason its only 8' is because I hit a large unmovable rock at that depth but the whole spring is in a sand/rock vein unlike the clay on the rest of my land. Once we pumped out the water after removing as much sand/rock as possible, my installer wanted about 2 feet of gravel laid for base and as a "reservoir" for resupplying the tiles faster. I like the theory behind it and trust he knows what hes doing after 30 yrs of exp. After we carefully laid and leveled the tiles, I had a load of sand delivered and I used the backhoe loader to bring it over( again another reason to own a backhoe ). The installer wanted clean sand and rock surrounding the tile. Also, between the 2 well tiles, he used a sealant to prevent infiltration and contamination. Lastly he suggested clearing trees from around the well to prevent leaves from dropping and decaying and bringing with it eventual water contamination, which he said was a major culprit.

Well costs

$450 - (2) 4' tall x 4' diameter cement well tiles & (1) 4' diameter cement cap w/ removable center
$200 - 12 tons of 1 1/2" rock gravel
$100 - 12 tons of sand
$1200 - Installer cost for 4 hrs labor helping with tile install, myers SS 1/2 HP submersible pump, 200' UG 12-2 wire, tank-t and installation
$100 - 200 feet of 1" poly tubing and hose clamps
$50 - diesel for backhoe
------------------
$2100 total

Title: Re: 30x40 Earth Berm Passive Solar in Maine
Post by: MountainDon on July 14, 2009, 02:38:32 PM
Quote from: Bishopknight on July 14, 2009, 11:45:42 AM
The Antennas excellent for bringing in channel.....


We lost half of the channels we had in the mountains with the digital changeover. There's enough to serve for the time we spend watching, but no more PBS or CBS. Way down the list of things to do is investigating a new antenna or raising the old one.
Title: Re: 30x40 Earth Berm Passive Solar in Maine
Post by: Bishopknight on July 14, 2009, 03:27:10 PM
Depends how far you are from the broadcasting station and what channels you want to pull in. If you're 60 miles fringe range like me, you'll probably need a huge antenna and a pre-amplifier. I did quite a bit of research before I purchased, reading lots of forums and discovered I only needed a VHF antenna.

Heres my VHF only antenna. If you want a VHF/UHF combo, expect to shell out big money.
http://www.solidsignal.com/prod_display.asp?PROD=HD-5030&xzoom=Large#xview (http://www.solidsignal.com/prod_display.asp?PROD=HD-5030&xzoom=Large#xview)

and my tripod...
http://www.solidsignal.com/prod_display.asp?PROD=MT3092&xzoom=Large#xview

and the 5' mast that connects the tripod and antenna
http://www.solidsignal.com/prod_display.asp?prod=TB-0005

and recently I just bought the cadillac of pre-amplifiers, the Channelmaster Titan 7777 , although I bought at summitsource.com because they were $20 cheaper.
http://www.summitsource.com/channel-master-7777-titan-2-uhf-vhf-preamplifier-high-gain-mast-mount-preamplifier-with-power-supply-cm7777-offair-outdoor-hdtv-amp-local-signal-television-aerial-antenna-booster-part-cm7777-p-5724.html (http://www.summitsource.com/channel-master-7777-titan-2-uhf-vhf-preamplifier-high-gain-mast-mount-preamplifier-with-power-supply-cm7777-offair-outdoor-hdtv-amp-local-signal-television-aerial-antenna-booster-part-cm7777-p-5724.html)
Title: Re: 30x40 Earth Berm Passive Solar in Maine
Post by: MountainDon on July 14, 2009, 03:32:35 PM
Thanks for the summitsource link. I've bought from solidsignal before. Our big problem are the tall trees; 55-70 footers. They also create problems for wind power generation.
Title: Re: 30x40 Earth Berm Passive Solar in Maine
Post by: glenn kangiser on July 18, 2009, 02:28:44 AM
Quote from: Bishopknight on July 14, 2009, 11:45:42 AM
The Antennas excellent for bringing in channel 8-1 and 8-2 ( ABC ) in Waterville to the south about 50 miles away. I bought a Channelmaster Titan 7777 Pre-Amp for $60 which should allow me to get nearby channel 7 ( NBC ) and 10 ( CBS ) as well. I will report back on how it works. Fox and PBS come 30 miles away out of Augusta to the east so I wouldn't need as strong an antenna for those.

Ya, so the total depth of the well is 8'. The reason its only 8' is because I hit a large unmovable rock at that depth but the whole spring is in a sand/rock vein unlike the clay on the rest of my land. Once we pumped out the water after removing as much sand/rock as possible, my installer wanted about 2 feet of gravel laid for base and as a "reservoir" for resupplying the tiles faster. I like the theory behind it and trust he knows what hes doing after 30 yrs of exp. After we carefully laid and leveled the tiles, I had a load of sand delivered and I used the backhoe loader to bring it over( again another reason to own a backhoe ). The installer wanted clean sand and rock surrounding the tile. Also, between the 2 well tiles, he used a sealant to prevent infiltration and contamination. Lastly he suggested clearing trees from around the well to prevent leaves from dropping and decaying and bringing with it eventual water contamination, which he said was a major culprit.

Well costs

$450 - (2) 4' tall x 4' diameter cement well tiles & (1) 4' diameter cement cap w/ removable center
$200 - 12 tons of 1 1/2" rock gravel
$100 - 12 tons of sand
$1200 - Installer cost for 4 hrs labor helping with tile install, myers SS 1/2 HP submersible pump, 200' UG 12-2 wire, tank-t and installation
$100 - 200 feet of 1" poly tubing and hose clamps
$50 - diesel for backhoe
------------------
$2100 total



Was there any kind of seal material - clay etc, put around the outside of the tiles to keep surface water from getting in or was his plan just to filter any water that came in from the top outside of the tiles?  Thanks, BK.
Title: Re: 30x40 Earth Berm Passive Solar in Maine
Post by: Bishopknight on July 30, 2009, 07:37:30 AM
Pics!

installing the water line and power into the well tile. I need to backfill around it more to raise the water line inside.
(https://i221.photobucket.com/albums/dd261/bishopknight1977/100_0400.jpg)

rock heating up the poly tubing end before slipping on the elbow joint and ring clamps. I had to use chains hooked to the backhoe bucket to lift him out.
(https://i221.photobucket.com/albums/dd261/bishopknight1977/100_0408.jpg)

Rock installed up to the brass shutoff and I installed the 1" PVC, filters and white pex connections in 3/4". Unfortunately I could not pressure test because I lost the O-ring for the whirlpool house filter. When I get my water heater setup, I'll re-route the line that points down after the filter to it.
(https://i221.photobucket.com/albums/dd261/bishopknight1977/100_0418.jpg)

I put up some drapes to make the bedroom look nicer
(https://i221.photobucket.com/albums/dd261/bishopknight1977/100_0422.jpg)

I installed the bathroom roof vent and tubing, then covered the inside back up with insulation.
(https://i221.photobucket.com/albums/dd261/bishopknight1977/100_0416.jpg)

Grace brought her dog up for the weekend
(https://i221.photobucket.com/albums/dd261/bishopknight1977/100_0423.jpg)

The living room drywall is progressing. We're doing it ourselves to save money. Its the fallback project.
(https://i221.photobucket.com/albums/dd261/bishopknight1977/100_0421.jpg)

my neighbors dog came down to watch and relax in the mud
(https://i221.photobucket.com/albums/dd261/bishopknight1977/100_0407.jpg)

I'm going up again this weekend. Hoping to pressure test the water lines ( finally! ) and address any leaks that occur ( hopefully none! ).
Title: Re: 30x40 Earth Berm Passive Solar in Maine
Post by: ListerD on July 30, 2009, 09:04:26 AM
Bishop -

What exactly are you doing as far as water filtration? I only ask because I just posted that on my thread the other day (http://countryplans.com/smf/index.php?topic=4752.60).

That's our current phase of design: the water/waste systems.
Title: Re: 30x40 Earth Berm Passive Solar in Maine
Post by: Bishopknight on July 30, 2009, 09:26:25 AM
I have a sediment spin down pre-filter and then a whole house 25 micron filter by Whirlpool. Both sold at Lowes. Word is, you never have to replace the sediment filters, just clean and rinse them. The whole house filter only lasts 6 months.

Special notes: I used a 1"Male to 3/4" pex zurn brass connector on the house filter outlet, then branched to a 3/4" T for hot and cold. I'm no plumber but I recommend 1" unions on both sides of the pressure tank inlet and outlets incase you have a bladder failure in the future. Lastly, don't be shy with the teflon tape, I usually make about 6 revolutions around a thread.

(http://www.filtersfast.com/ProdImages/bf7-lg.jpg)
Title: Re: 30x40 Earth Berm Passive Solar in Maine
Post by: speedfunk on July 30, 2009, 09:40:05 PM
I'm not sure if those curtains go with the cinder block and raw drywall "look"  ;D

congrats on getting well/spring in

Also thanks for showing the heating up of the plastic tubing.  Mine leak a little bit , it must be common procedure to do this lol.  Always at the bottom of the learning curve  d*
Title: Re: 30x40 Earth Berm Passive Solar in Maine
Post by: Bishopknight on August 03, 2009, 08:17:21 PM
Jeff, I'm going for the trailer park look.  [waiting]

Anyways, on to pics! I parged this weekend. This is one bag
(https://i221.photobucket.com/albums/dd261/bishopknight1977/100_0438.jpg)

and heres the other one. Each bag takes about 2 hrs to mix and apply.
(https://i221.photobucket.com/albums/dd261/bishopknight1977/100_0439.jpg)

I also pressurized my plumbing and not one pex crimp leaked. I have to say I'm EXTREMELY impressed with pex so far. Making changes is simple, although you have to think 2 steps ahead when making the crimps because of the awkward angles certain fittings have to be in. Plumbing definitely has a steep learning curve!
(https://i221.photobucket.com/albums/dd261/bishopknight1977/100_0436.jpg)   

Anyways, after the system was done, I put up the 6 mil plastic and then drywalled the rest of the bathroom, then started the tapered joints.
(https://i221.photobucket.com/albums/dd261/bishopknight1977/100_0433.jpg)

(https://i221.photobucket.com/albums/dd261/bishopknight1977/100_0431.jpg)

I also cleared some brush and wired more outlets and switches to round out the weekend.
Title: Re: 30x40 Earth Berm Passive Solar in Maine
Post by: MountainDon on August 06, 2009, 07:54:34 PM
Looking good BK.


I knew you'd be impressed with working with PEX.
Title: Re: 30x40 Earth Berm Passive Solar in Maine
Post by: poppy on August 07, 2009, 12:21:10 PM
Nice update as always and I surely do enjoy the pics. :)

Looks like I'm going to have to look into this PEX stuff.
Title: Re: 30x40 Earth Berm Passive Solar in Maine
Post by: speedfunk on August 09, 2009, 02:48:17 PM
congrats on plumbing!  BTW are you mixing by hand or machine?
Title: Re: 30x40 Earth Berm Passive Solar in Maine
Post by: EcoHeliGuy on August 09, 2009, 03:25:41 PM
So way back when you laid your plumbing under the slap, why isn't the Vent tube installed upstream of the shower? I thought so your system doesn't try and build a vacuum you want the vent tube upstream of all other fixtures?

Also did you price out the difference between poured walls and brick walls? if so what was the difference?

Your really not helping with my urge to start my place  c*
Title: Re: 30x40 Earth Berm Passive Solar in Maine
Post by: Bishopknight on August 10, 2009, 08:22:23 AM
Yes thanks Don, you were right.

I'm mixing by hand. We'll me and my 2 buddies we all mix by hand. We use a hoe primarily.

I read the distance should be no more than 4' away for venting, but I could be mistaking that with the distance for toilets from the vent. As for poured vs block, I haven't priced out the difference but  I'd be curious to know too. I'd probably have to call a concrete contractor to get an estimate. Sorry if this is discouraging but I don't think I need to tell anyone its extremely challenging to build your own house. One thing you can't put a price on is the valuable knowledge and experience you gain from doing all aspects yourself. Although I don't plan to, if I were to build another house, I feel this experience has given me confidence in the future to try bolder and more exciting ideas.

Anyways, here are some pics from the weekend. I'm posting these blind so if they don't come up. Let me know. We went through 6 bags of SBC and have 5 more to go, then were finished before I build the cold cellar. We're aiming for this coming weekend to wrap it up. It took 3 able bodied guys 6 hrs to do 6 bags and everyones hands were beat afterwards!

I also spent a great deal of time on my backhoe clearing more land and terracing out my sloping lot. I'm collecting boulders for either a wall in front of my house or behind it.

(https://i221.photobucket.com/albums/dd261/bishopknight1977/100_0444.jpg)

(https://i221.photobucket.com/albums/dd261/bishopknight1977/100_0445.jpg)

(https://i221.photobucket.com/albums/dd261/bishopknight1977/100_0446.jpg)

(https://i221.photobucket.com/albums/dd261/bishopknight1977/100_0447.jpg)

(https://i221.photobucket.com/albums/dd261/bishopknight1977/100_0448.jpg)

(https://i221.photobucket.com/albums/dd261/bishopknight1977/100_0449.jpg)

(https://i221.photobucket.com/albums/dd261/bishopknight1977/100_0450.jpg)

(https://i221.photobucket.com/albums/dd261/bishopknight1977/100_0451.jpg)

(https://i221.photobucket.com/albums/dd261/bishopknight1977/100_0452.jpg)

(https://i221.photobucket.com/albums/dd261/bishopknight1977/100_0453.jpg)

(https://i221.photobucket.com/albums/dd261/bishopknight1977/100_0454.jpg)

(https://i221.photobucket.com/albums/dd261/bishopknight1977/100_0455.jpg)

(https://i221.photobucket.com/albums/dd261/bishopknight1977/100_0456.jpg)

(https://i221.photobucket.com/albums/dd261/bishopknight1977/100_0457.jpg)
Title: Re: 30x40 Earth Berm Passive Solar in Maine
Post by: Dog on August 10, 2009, 02:58:39 PM
Looking really good!

"Collecting" boulders huh?  :) I sense some interesting landscaping...
Title: Re: 30x40 Earth Berm Passive Solar in Maine
Post by: Mike 870 on August 11, 2009, 07:50:14 AM
The ground grows boulders in Maine...
Title: Re: 30x40 Earth Berm Passive Solar in Maine
Post by: Bishopknight on August 11, 2009, 09:09:05 AM
I'd like to think out loud on a design feature Speedfunk recommended in a book he's been reading by John Hait that I'm now considering applying myself. The Insulation/watershed umbrella. I'm also curious to hear what others think:

(http://www.earthshelters.com/files/pahs_improving_ch1_p1.jpg)

I've already insulated 2" of XPS insulation around my footers and 1" under my slab. I had planned to put 2" on the outside of my bermed walls as well. However as I read more about this watershed umbrella, I'm tempted to either fore go the retaining wall insulation or reduce it to 1" and build up a 2-3" insulation umbrella around 10' of surrounding north side dirt. This would work out particularly well for me because I am building a root cellar anyways and own a backhoe.  Below is an excerpt of the design principles:

QuoteInsulation/watershed umbrella:

1. Extend umbrella out and around the entire home and above also,
   if the home is fully earth-sheltered.
2. Extend out 20 feet (6 m) wherever possible.
3. Taper insulation from 4 inches (10 cm) down to one (the first inch
   is the most important.)
4. Insulate the backs of retaining walls and other items that will be
   backfilled before the main umbrella goes into place.
5. Plastic: (0.006 inch (0.15 mm), largest sheets practical.)
   a. 3 layers min.
   b. Separate layers with soft insulation or dirt that will drain well.
   c. Provide adequate drainage out the end of the umbrella.
   d. DO NOT stretch, but allow for settling with folds and slipping overlaps.
   e. Lay like shingles.
   f. Prevent future ponding after settling by allowing sufficient
      drainage angles.
   g. Pay particular attention to possible extreme settling and the problems
      that might occur given its new confuguration.
   h. Make underground gutters to guide water off the front and away from
      the building.
   i. Cover it with flashing if it exits the ground.

Thoughts? Concerns?
Title: Re: 30x40 Earth Berm Passive Solar in Maine
Post by: speedfunk on August 15, 2009, 08:52:43 PM
BK, looking forward to your monday post   :D .

The insulation scheme your described and my thoughts for what they are worth  d*  .What your describing would certainly help moderate the temp swings of the house as well as improving the way water would be managed on that bermed wall.  It would make your root cellar kind of useless though.  If you storing heat in that backwall you'll raise the surronding temp around it.  I would think that with all the environments ( air in the house and now earth behind rear wall ) surrounding the root cellar it would eventually become the same temp as the air and insulated dry earth .  

Thermal bridging is something to pay attention too.  Making sure that you keep insulation even on the back of the exterior retaining walls (out the same 10').  It's all about application what results your going to get.    ???   If you do decide to go ahead with it, i'll be enjoying the show
:)
Title: Re: 30x40 Earth Berm Passive Solar in Maine
Post by: Bishopknight on August 18, 2009, 01:55:29 PM
Thanks Jeff,

I've been doing a lot of thinking on the subject, especially regarding the root cellar I have. Thats what definitely makes things different for me. I also have some bad news. My job is laying me off in 3 weeks. Ok so here are pics from this past weekend. I had my friends ( who coincidentally built their own strawbale house ) come and help me parge the remaining part of the back walls.

(https://i221.photobucket.com/albums/dd261/bishopknight1977/100_0459.jpg)

(https://i221.photobucket.com/albums/dd261/bishopknight1977/100_0461.jpg)

And heres how it looks now.

(https://i221.photobucket.com/albums/dd261/bishopknight1977/100_0467.jpg)

(https://i221.photobucket.com/albums/dd261/bishopknight1977/100_0471.jpg)

(https://i221.photobucket.com/albums/dd261/bishopknight1977/100_0474.jpg)

I also filled in the 6' deep trench to the well tile.

(https://i221.photobucket.com/albums/dd261/bishopknight1977/100_0470.jpg)
Title: Re: 30x40 Earth Berm Passive Solar in Maine
Post by: Mike 870 on August 18, 2009, 09:18:49 PM
Sorry to hear about the job BK. At least you are building a homestead that you can heat with wood, get free water from your spring, and grow a good deal of your food.  The progress looks good, I'm looking forward to the backfilling etc.
Title: Re: 30x40 Earth Berm Passive Solar in Maine
Post by: EcoHeliGuy on August 18, 2009, 09:24:49 PM
I hear you about the job, The word hasn't come down yet, but I know it will. I wish i had a project like yours to keep me busy while the economy picks up again. But I still haven't found the property I would call home yet.
Title: Re: 30x40 Earth Berm Passive Solar in Maine
Post by: Bishopknight on August 19, 2009, 09:09:11 AM
Thanks guys,

Ya it sucks. My plan is to get my resume out there while continuing to work on the house. I'm still going to try to get a lot done though but if I can save money somewhere, I'll definitely do it.

Heres whats on my plate this coming weekend.

(*) Membrane for the bermed back wall - CCW MiraDRI 860 and Primer. - $423

(*) Drain pipe, plywood for soffits and mortar for root cellar. - $98

(*) 2 Palates of block for the root cellar - $234


Title: Re: 30x40 Earth Berm Passive Solar in Maine
Post by: speedfunk on August 19, 2009, 10:59:18 AM
Maybe your next job you could telecommute from your kick ass earth berm home :0)  During lunch break play on backhoe!   With the cat 5 connections everywhere your all setup!

Nice job on the parging!  Woot , I'm sure you will party when the final SBC is applied in the root cellar.  I'm sure those blocks are on the root cellar slab are temp, but just in case , make sure to put some 2" foam in between the wall of house and the walls of the root cellar.   Nice progress!!! 
Title: Re: 30x40 Earth Berm Passive Solar in Maine
Post by: Bishopknight on August 19, 2009, 03:26:05 PM
I've got some ideas jeff. I was thinking of setting up 2 home businesses, one for computer services and the other for making wooden signs for businesses or art. I think between the two, I should have enough income to work from home......possibly.

Yes you're definitely right, 2" of insulation between the root cellar and wall. I have to try and pry out the wooden footer that is stuck between the root cellar and slab. That should be alot of fun. I may drill an I-bolt to the footer and then use the backhoe arm and a chain to try and yank it out, I may video it for a laugh.
Title: Re: 30x40 Earth Berm Passive Solar in Maine
Post by: Dog on August 19, 2009, 06:05:49 PM
 :( Sorry to hear about the lay off.

Speedfunk has the right idea though...  :)



Title: Re: 30x40 Earth Berm Passive Solar in Maine
Post by: HomeschoolMom on August 19, 2009, 07:09:21 PM
It would be great if you could work from home.  We do it!  It certainly is a different way of life.  I look at others and think, "Are they crazy!?"  But they probably look at us and think we are a little nuts!
Title: Re: 30x40 Earth Berm Passive Solar in Maine
Post by: drainl on August 19, 2009, 09:36:58 PM
Neat, That's what I do.  I work on small k-12 schools IT networks and PC's.  Rural area's like I suppose the one your in have a tough time finding good IT people.  So I have about 4 schools I work with.  Some as needed and some with year contracts.  It pays well and I work with good people.  Diversity of job skills like you have will help alot!  It does take a bit of work to get your business off the ground, contacts sure do help.  GL

Homeschoolmom:  Thats awesome!  Crazy , normal,  all terms that are relative to the person describing them.  In wally world the other day, and some lady behind me was yelling (she seemed like quite the character) about how some people aren't normal like her.  Aparently a "normal" person goes to work 40 hours a week.  To me that seems like extreme an amount of labor :) which would leave little time to live life.   :D


Speedfunk on Drainls account!
Title: Re: 30x40 Earth Berm Passive Solar in Maine
Post by: EcoHeliGuy on August 19, 2009, 09:41:29 PM
I never like the term "normal" when referring to a person, I like to use "Average" and if your average your boring and forgettable.  c*
Title: Re: 30x40 Earth Berm Passive Solar in Maine
Post by: Bishopknight on August 24, 2009, 06:16:21 PM
Couple photos. Interior photos weren't taken but I'll have some drywall progress photos next weekend.

Finished the east side Tyvek
(https://i221.photobucket.com/albums/dd261/bishopknight1977/100_0479.jpg)

Cemented the 1st course of block to the root cellar
(https://i221.photobucket.com/albums/dd261/bishopknight1977/100_0481.jpg)

Built a cement foundation pillar for my solar panel mount
(https://i221.photobucket.com/albums/dd261/bishopknight1977/100_0483.jpg)

Sanded and spray painted black the solar panel mount. It was originally a gas station sign post.
(https://i221.photobucket.com/albums/dd261/bishopknight1977/100_0478.jpg)
Title: Re: 30x40 Earth Berm Passive Solar in Maine
Post by: MaineRhino on August 25, 2009, 07:13:50 PM
Looks great BK!  I was out your way today, just a few miles down the road where the tornado hit. I assume your place is OK, or at least we hope so! It touched down about 10 miles north of here, then went east towards you. If you get a chance, go down RT 140 into Hartford. It's quite a mess. One guy said he lost 45 acres of trees!
Title: Re: 30x40 Earth Berm Passive Solar in Maine
Post by: Bishopknight on August 26, 2009, 07:58:49 AM
Thanks MaineRhino,

Thats concerning huh. You never hear of tornados in Maine but I guess they can happen anywhere. I'm sure my house is ok but I'll probably check with my neighbor. Thanks!
Title: Re: 30x40 Earth Berm Passive Solar in Maine
Post by: speedfunk on August 26, 2009, 10:32:03 AM
I noticed you took down that one pic.  It might just be me but it looks like you forgot the 2 inches of insulation between the root cellar wall and the house.  I think what you see happening is that the root cellar will maintain a temp closer to your house temp.

To fix that wall if you want shim the 2nd course of drystack , or re-morter, or if it doesn't bother you I'm sure it will be strong and it adds character  8)

things keep moving for ya!
Title: Re: 30x40 Earth Berm Passive Solar in Maine
Post by: Bishopknight on August 26, 2009, 04:37:08 PM
Ya i took it down, I'm going to fix it so 2" will fit between it. There was only room for 1"

I just bought 18 sheets of 4x8 2" blueboard. Cost $466

3 rolls of miradrain 6200 was $394 with freight charges

100' of 4" perf drain pipe was $50

I'll post an updated pic when it looks right.  ;D
Title: Re: 30x40 Earth Berm Passive Solar in Maine
Post by: speedfunk on August 26, 2009, 05:26:11 PM
sweetness.  Thanks for the prices on these items.  So it looks like your getting ready to backfill!   ;D

whew that blue board costs alot ... I'm glad i've switched to using tekfoil for insulation skirting.  All though I still need alot of the blue board
Title: Re: 30x40 Earth Berm Passive Solar in Maine
Post by: Bishopknight on August 30, 2009, 09:38:44 PM
Weekend update:

This is how you move a stove by yourself into the house   ;D
(https://i221.photobucket.com/albums/dd261/bishopknight1977/100_0501.jpg)

Here's the materials for the back berm wall.
(https://i221.photobucket.com/albums/dd261/bishopknight1977/100_0509.jpg)

I got some free cabinets on craigslist. This isn't all of them mind you. They look like crap right now but when I'm done they'll look great. I'm in the process of rebuilding the shelf on the base sink cabinet. I almost have everything for the kitchen. It will probably be under $1000 for cabinets and appliances by the time I'm done.

Stove - $250
Dishwasher - $80
Cabinets - FREE
Sink & Faucet - $50
Countertops - ( to be determined, guestimating about $250)
Microwave - $130
Fridge - $75 ( for the mini I have, I plan to get a full size for around $200 )
Paint - $5 ( Lowes bargain paint )
Cabinet hardware - $10 ( Lowes clearance liquidation stock )
Cabinet trim & crown molding - $90 ( Lowes special order returns, heavily discounted, 90% off )
----------------------
$1065 estimated

(https://i221.photobucket.com/albums/dd261/bishopknight1977/100_0504.jpg)

It rained all day saturday so I did a lot of drywall.  I'm working in sections so I can see progress and keep my sanity  d*
(https://i221.photobucket.com/albums/dd261/bishopknight1977/100_0513.jpg)

(https://i221.photobucket.com/albums/dd261/bishopknight1977/100_0512.jpg)
Title: Re: 30x40 Earth Berm Passive Solar in Maine
Post by: EcoHeliGuy on August 30, 2009, 09:42:16 PM
Hows your truck handling all the loads on the trailer  :)
Title: Re: 30x40 Earth Berm Passive Solar in Maine
Post by: Bishopknight on August 30, 2009, 09:57:10 PM
It does pretty good if I keep the weight (including occupancy) at or below 750 lbs.  c*

To this day I haven't seen a hitch on another corolla yet. I'm just trying to be a trendsetter  ;D
Title: Re: 30x40 Earth Berm Passive Solar in Maine
Post by: drainl on August 30, 2009, 10:16:23 PM
Nice score on the cabinets!  In our last house we sanded down and painted our crap wood cabinets from the 70s.  It made a huge difference and cost next to nothing.  Looks good!
Title: Re: 30x40 Earth Berm Passive Solar in Maine
Post by: EcoHeliGuy on August 30, 2009, 10:19:09 PM
If you can put a hitch on a motorcycle or a smart car you can put one on a corrola.

I say a Harley the other day towing a trailer with another Harley on it  c*
Title: Re: 30x40 Earth Berm Passive Solar in Maine
Post by: soomb on August 31, 2009, 09:46:40 AM
Nice progress.  Are you to the point where you notice the insulation and thermal mass when compared to the outside?
Title: Re: 30x40 Earth Berm Passive Solar in Maine
Post by: HomeschoolMom on August 31, 2009, 11:04:40 AM
I commend you on your maturity.  I know we are around the same age and I don't know that I wouldn't "want" all new. 

I can't wait for you to get it bermed and see how it does this winter!
Title: Re: 30x40 Earth Berm Passive Solar in Maine
Post by: Bishopknight on August 31, 2009, 11:45:25 AM
Thanks Michelle  :)
Without a job soon, certain corners need to be cut, most of all Kitchen Cabinets. Plus I like the challenge of shining up a penny. 

Soomb,
The house definitely takes a while to change temp. For instance, during a couple of 90 degree days, it felt like I was going into an air conditioned house. By the time the sun went down ,the house had started to heat up perfectly. Also. I would say so far that the house feels nicely humidified, not too much though that it requires a dehumidifier, but I'm monitoring that.

As for it getting cold, It did get chilly saturday night, but only because it dipped to 48 outside pretty quickly. I would say it felt in the upper 50's inside but nice. Once the back is bermed, I'm sure it will help even more with the temp swings and I promise to do some temperature analysis and report that to you all.  If there was a cheap way to collect that data it would be nice.

Again, I'm pretty pleased with everything. I'm hoping all I'll need is my wood stove and not a backup heat source this winter. We'll see!  ;D

Title: Re: 30x40 Earth Berm Passive Solar in Maine
Post by: Mike 870 on August 31, 2009, 12:02:38 PM
Are you planning to spend the winter in the house? 

You could just have a couple thermometers and record the temps in different locations a couple times a day/week/month.  If you chart the delta from the outside temp that should give you a good idea of performance. 
Title: Re: 30x40 Earth Berm Passive Solar in Maine
Post by: EcoHeliGuy on August 31, 2009, 12:06:35 PM
Not sure if you have your internet access out there yet, but there are lots of weather stations you can get that send info across the net, I know radio shack sells some. and the price isn't much more then a regular weather station
Title: Re: 30x40 Earth Berm Passive Solar in Maine
Post by: Bishopknight on August 31, 2009, 04:42:37 PM
Mike,

Its a possibility. I will probably do what you said and just manually track the temps in/out via MS excel. I'm getting my DSL connected next month.

Eco,

How is your design/land/home search coming? Where do you plan on putting roots down?

And by the way, to any young couples out there looking for some land, I do have 4-5 back lot acres I could sell. It would only be to a couple or person in their mid to late 20s , early to mid 30s who wants to create a homestead, garden, ect. We'd be looking for about $8,000 but would work something out for a couple we liked.
Title: Re: 30x40 Earth Berm Passive Solar in Maine
Post by: EcoHeliGuy on August 31, 2009, 04:55:23 PM
Well the design keep changing the longer its on paper  c*

For land I almost jumped on a 5 acre lot in Smithers BC, it was perfect. had a new cabin to live in while building, power already connected, and we planed to use the cabin after as a guesthouse/BnB. It also could have been bought with a mortgage...... downside? 40mins for town which to me isn't an issue, but 20 of that was on a dirtroad with no house's between, so in the winter it my be a bit tough for the lady to get to work, and no school bus pick up if I decide to infect the planet with more of me :)

We are looking into a condo on Vancouver island for the time being, make a little money on the condo, to buy land we can afford later.

that property that I looked at, guess how much?  120K  :(   so keep my eyes open, but still no land yet.

I will be updating the house plans in the next day or too, might finally open a topic on here for it, but I was waiting until I had land to drop it one.

I wish I could do my job back in New Brunswick, I still remember what land goes for back East.  ???
Title: Re: 30x40 Earth Berm Passive Solar in Maine
Post by: Dog on August 31, 2009, 05:55:24 PM
Looking good! Those cabinets are great. With paint and the hardware they'll be better than new for sure.
Title: Re: 30x40 Earth Berm Passive Solar in Maine
Post by: soomb on August 31, 2009, 06:14:48 PM
Quote from: Bishopknight on August 31, 2009, 04:42:37 PM


And by the way, to any young couples out there looking for some land, I do have 4-5 back lot acres I could sell. It would only be to a couple or person in their mid to late 20s , early to mid 30s who wants to create a homestead, garden, etc. We'd be looking for about $8,000 but would work something out for a couple we liked.
As someone who just turned 40, I think I should be offended at the age discrimination.   ;D
Title: Re: 30x40 Earth Berm Passive Solar in Maine
Post by: MikeOnBike on August 31, 2009, 06:17:18 PM
My brother uses an Oregon Scientific WMR100 to record the outdoor, indoor and greenhouse temp/humidity to a computer.  He had to add an extra sensor to the base package to get the greenhouse.  You could use the extra sensor to track your root cellar.  I picked it up on sale at Fred Meyer about a year ago for $99 for the base package.

http://www.samsclub.com/shopping/navigate.do?dest=5&item=374890 (http://www.samsclub.com/shopping/navigate.do?dest=5&item=374890)

http://www.ambientweather.com/orwmr100n.html (http://www.ambientweather.com/orwmr100n.html)
Title: Re: 30x40 Earth Berm Passive Solar in Maine
Post by: poppy on August 31, 2009, 06:41:17 PM
Gotta like craigslist.  ;D  Free is the best price.

BTW, I like your arched window.
Title: Re: 30x40 Earth Berm Passive Solar in Maine
Post by: MountainDon on August 31, 2009, 08:06:44 PM
Quote from: MikeOnBike on August 31, 2009, 06:17:18 PM
My brother uses an Oregon Scientific WMR100 ....


One thing I found with this unit is that it can be picky about the computer it's hooked to. Mine refused to run on one laptop but was fine on another; different make computer). That one uses the USB port. I have also read about some folks having issues getting a weather station with a serial connection to run using a USB port and an emulator. Sometimes I wish mine was simply hard wired.

Title: Re: 30x40 Earth Berm Passive Solar in Maine
Post by: Bishopknight on September 01, 2009, 07:48:21 AM
Ah cool, ya that sounds perfect. I can't afford it right now but once I'm working again I want to pick one up. Unless I can find it really cheap on craigslist or ebay.

Title: Re: 30x40 Earth Berm Passive Solar in Maine
Post by: Bishopknight on September 01, 2009, 08:44:09 PM
Here are some mock ups I worked on today in my 3d architect program. Its highly likely I wont use these colors, have wood floors or get a yellow lab, they're all just for demonstration purposes.   c*

P.S: I do want a Yellow lab though  ;D

(https://i221.photobucket.com/albums/dd261/bishopknight1977/ole0.jpg)

(https://i221.photobucket.com/albums/dd261/bishopknight1977/ole1.jpg)
Title: Re: 30x40 Earth Berm Passive Solar in Maine
Post by: MikeOnBike on September 02, 2009, 02:31:05 PM
Quote from: MountainDon on August 31, 2009, 08:06:44 PM
One thing I found with this unit is that it can be picky about the computer it's hooked to. 7

He has had to reset the main unit about 3-4 times in the last year to get it to start sending data to the computer.  Not too bad but these are probably about as basic as you can get and still get some reasonable functionality out of them.

I don't think they are junk but hobby grade at best.
Title: Re: 30x40 Earth Berm Passive Solar in Maine
Post by: MountainDon on September 02, 2009, 02:37:55 PM
I have one computer that the weather station liked for over a month. Then one day it refused and hasn't been able to connect since.  d*  Like you stated, not the highest quality, but servicable for most uses.

I'll add that when/if this weather station causes any serious trouble it'll be replaced with a cheap indoor - outdoor thermometer and humidity unit like the one I have had in the RV for years. I think it was only $15 and has worked for years. I use it now to monitor the temperature inside the refrigerator.
Title: Re: 30x40 Earth Berm Passive Solar in Maine
Post by: Bishopknight on September 02, 2009, 04:41:10 PM
Why do you monitor the fridge temp, is it propane powered?
Title: Re: 30x40 Earth Berm Passive Solar in Maine
Post by: MountainDon on September 02, 2009, 04:50:10 PM
Propane - yes.

Why? - Same reason I monitor the cabin interior and exterior temps, the solar batteries voltages and specific gravities. I'm just a little crazy that way.   :-[


BTW, it seems happy on thermostat setting 4 (out of 10) and sits at about 35 to 36 degrees. Not sure what the freezer runs at, but it makes ice and ice cream is very firm. Maybe I'll run the thermometer on the freezer this weekend.
Title: Re: 30x40 Earth Berm Passive Solar in Maine
Post by: Bishopknight on September 02, 2009, 08:41:37 PM
You totally had me up till the "specific gravities".  ???  ;D
Title: Re: 30x40 Earth Berm Passive Solar in Maine
Post by: EcoHeliGuy on September 06, 2009, 11:19:02 PM
Quote from: Bishopknight on August 31, 2009, 04:42:37 PM
And by the way, to any young couples out there looking for some land, I do have 4-5 back lot acres I could sell. It would only be to a couple or person in their mid to late 20s , early to mid 30s who wants to create a homestead, garden, ect. We'd be looking for about $8,000 but would work something out for a couple we liked.

$8000 [shocked] Just rub it in  c*  Thats my same plan if I get more land then needed, sell it to someone with the same morals in mind.
Title: Re: 30x40 Earth Berm Passive Solar in Maine
Post by: rick91351 on September 07, 2009, 12:50:15 AM
Remember this and I am older and wiser.   ;)  Tig the red healer in my picture by my handle is just a pup I'm not.  If you split off any property and sell; most times it comes back and bites you in the ___ .  Nothing stops them from in a couple months to a couple years from hammering down a for sale sign because things just did not work out for them.  So the laid back - like minded couple you sold to is now replaced by Mr. And Mrs $##@@#$$!@! who will turn into your worst nightmare.  That said - add to your property not take away - a good buffer zone is worth its weight.  Beside it keeps us 40 - 50 - 60 year-olds away and at bay.  You know we are all evil and have taken the mark of the beast.   8)       
Title: Re: 30x40 Earth Berm Passive Solar in Maine
Post by: EcoHeliGuy on September 07, 2009, 01:05:40 AM
 :)

Good point
Title: Re: 30x40 Earth Berm Passive Solar in Maine
Post by: Bishopknight on September 08, 2009, 03:30:21 PM
Ya those are very good points. It would only be to someone where the risk/reward would be worth it.

Here are some pics from the weekend.

I primed the walls with CCW 702 Primer. I used about 4 out of the 5 gallons to coat my entire back wall. The primer is basically model airplane glue. If you've ever used that stuff, you know it is horrible stuff to smell and breath in and everything it gets on it including hands is hard to get off. After it was allowed to dry 1 hr, the CCW MiraDRI 860 binded to the wall beautifully, almost too well. My friend helped me attach the first sheet at the top of the wall and then he pulled off the wax paper as I stuck it to the wall, but after 2 sheets, it was easy enough to do myself and it was more productive with him measuring and cutting the sheets while I hung them. Laying and cutting it with a T-square is my recommendation for that crucial 90 degree cut which determines that the 2" overlap will not stray.

I also want to note that saturday night, it got down to 45 degrees outside, but stayed 65 degrees inside....very comfortable. And once the back wall is bermed, it should be even better.

Jeff: I fixed the block on the root cellar so a 2" piece will fit between it.  ;D
(https://i221.photobucket.com/albums/dd261/bishopknight1977/100_0530.jpg)

Working until when we got up until 3pm, we got almost the whole back wrapped except for the root cellar and one sliver on the west side.
(https://i221.photobucket.com/albums/dd261/bishopknight1977/100_0537.jpg)

My friend Joe had a party to test out his new cob firebrick oven. We made some delicious pizzas and enjoyed a few coronas. Almost all the ingredients were handmade and came from gardens or scratch ( including the mozzerella ). I will probably have to make one of these as well. The pizzas cooked incredibly fast in there.
(https://i221.photobucket.com/albums/dd261/bishopknight1977/100_0535.jpg)
Title: Re: 30x40 Earth Berm Passive Solar in Maine
Post by: ListerD on September 08, 2009, 03:52:18 PM
I just read an article on the cob ovens in MEN. Added it to my wish list as well!

Great job on the coverings. I'll be interested to see how it holds up. There's so many methods to waterproofing the walls, a lot of myth and fantasy in the advertising for them too.

MiraDri is the one I'd selected for ours so I'm watching your build closely. What'd it end up costing in your area?
Title: Re: 30x40 Earth Berm Passive Solar in Maine
Post by: EcoHeliGuy on September 08, 2009, 04:02:06 PM
Ha ha one of the few things the girlfriend twisted my arm on for our place was an out side brick oven. (by twisted I mean, it was already in the plans but I told her if thats what she wanted I would add if for her, have let her feel she has input)

We are going to build a three piece unit, In the middle will be a brick oven, and on either side will be a brick BBQ, and brick surround with a plate of iron on it for a cooking surface(aka a charcoal stove) this will be at our patio.

Just wondering If you only went with the block wall on the east and west sides half way, do to cost or some other reason? I have my block walls along the full west and east sides in my plans, and wanted to make sure I'm not missing anything?
Title: Re: 30x40 Earth Berm Passive Solar in Maine
Post by: Redoverfarm on September 08, 2009, 04:15:21 PM
Bishop I have never used CCW MiraDRI 860 is it something similar to ice guard ( Self adhesive rubber based waterproofing).  I was just wondering when I saw the installation procedures that you are using it in verticle strips rather than horizontal lap over style.  I have used a good bit of Ice & storn guard on roofs and it was always recommended to start at the bottom and climb to the top to guarantee it did not leak.  Don't mind me I just get this way sometimes. [waiting]

While I am onto questions  ;D. What are your plans for the root cellar roof.  I assume it will not be underground or are you going to pour a concrete cap over the top?
Title: Re: 30x40 Earth Berm Passive Solar in Maine
Post by: Bishopknight on September 08, 2009, 04:26:04 PM
Lister,

By luck, I got contractor pricing from my local commercial supply company. The MiraDRI was about $100 per roll, the primer about $115. I bought 3 rolls and 1 drum of primer for about $400.

Eco,

That sounds cool man. Cant wait to see you and lister get started on your projects. Yes, I went only half way to bring in more light around the house. I didn't want a tunnel feeling. Many of my early pics in pages 3-8 show the block wall going up in great detail. You'll see I used tapcon screws with PT lumber to connect to the block wall on the east and west sides.

John,

Yes, its exactly like Grace I&W shield. This was the recommended install procedure by Rob Roy in his book "Earth Sheltered Homes", he still stands by this install method and actually so does CCW as their white sheets back this method as well. The seam is very tight. The bitumene material is VERY sticky and bonds well to itself. I also have MiraDRAIN being installed over the insulation in the next phase. The MiraDRI is the last line of defense.

I'm going to put a foot or two of dirt over the root cellar actually. I'll probably construct a roof out of the left over 2x10 footer boards used for the concrete perimeter. I'll probably go 8" on center so its extra strong and I'll probably have a pitch to it along with several layers of 6 mil poly on top with some MiraDrain as well. There will also be a french drain around everything as well.

- BK  
Title: Re: 30x40 Earth Berm Passive Solar in Maine
Post by: ListerD on September 08, 2009, 04:59:20 PM
Ooh, nice price! I was quoted around $130/roll and about the same for the primer.

Title: Re: 30x40 Earth Berm Passive Solar in Maine
Post by: Bishopknight on September 22, 2009, 08:19:48 PM
Its been a while since I last updated. i hurt my finger so im typing slow.

my panels were putting out 22 amps at one point.

(https://i221.photobucket.com/albums/dd261/bishopknight1977/100_0640.jpg)

heres my setup, i took mountain dons advice and hooked up 4 ought directly to the charge controller, on the other end i built a combiner box. At a later date i'll take a pic of it, because its kind of cool how I built it.
(https://i221.photobucket.com/albums/dd261/bishopknight1977/100_0654.jpg)

my new fridge. you can also see my horrible mix-match of cabinets. I also installed the over range micro.
(https://i221.photobucket.com/albums/dd261/bishopknight1977/100_0652.jpg)

after the french drain was installed/graded I put a fabric over it and then in the next pic you'll see i backfilled
(https://i221.photobucket.com/albums/dd261/bishopknight1977/100_0554.jpg)

prepping for the next area
(https://i221.photobucket.com/albums/dd261/bishopknight1977/100_0558.jpg)

I used sand instead of 1" rock gravel because one is $80 and the other is $250 and both will drain especially if you have a drainage sock on your 4" perf pipe like I do.
(https://i221.photobucket.com/albums/dd261/bishopknight1977/100_0559.jpg)

this light is run off my solar array at 120v, i want to convert it to 12v, its on the todo
(https://i221.photobucket.com/albums/dd261/bishopknight1977/100_0644.jpg)

my stove pipe after being installed, I still need to do the back wall plate but i have some stuff protecting the wall for now. the whole install came out pro, i did it myself.
(https://i221.photobucket.com/albums/dd261/bishopknight1977/100_0671.jpg)

my new home defense weapon of choice :)
(https://i221.photobucket.com/albums/dd261/bishopknight1977/100_0621.jpg)
Title: Re: 30x40 Earth Berm Passive Solar in Maine
Post by: drainl on September 22, 2009, 08:33:49 PM
So did the finger injury have anything to do with the large ax thing and the coors wrist band? 

Looking good.  I really love that red wood stove. 
Title: Re: 30x40 Earth Berm Passive Solar in Maine
Post by: Bishopknight on September 22, 2009, 08:45:57 PM
ya thats basically what happens when you challenge "king richard" to a axe contest after drinking  d*

thanks deb

(https://i221.photobucket.com/albums/dd261/bishopknight1977/100_0589.jpg)

Title: Re: 30x40 Earth Berm Passive Solar in Maine
Post by: ListerD on September 22, 2009, 08:50:26 PM
 [cool] [chainsaw]
Title: Re: 30x40 Earth Berm Passive Solar in Maine
Post by: glenn kangiser on September 23, 2009, 11:59:05 PM
The place is looking great, BK and - watch out about challenging medieval Kings while wearing beer goggles. :)
Title: Re: 30x40 Earth Berm Passive Solar in Maine
Post by: SkagitDrifter on September 24, 2009, 11:30:49 AM
BK-
You Sir are a one man force of nature!
You have taken on a huge task and doing a great job.
Keep up the good work, take a second and look back on what you have accomplished-
You should be really proud.
Great job!
Tom
Title: Re: 30x40 Earth Berm Passive Solar in Maine
Post by: speedfunk on September 24, 2009, 01:47:47 PM
kicking ass!   8) wtg
Title: Re: 30x40 Earth Berm Passive Solar in Maine
Post by: Bishopknight on September 24, 2009, 05:22:23 PM
Thanks!  ;D

Since I'm laid off, I have more free time.... Here's more progress pics.

I found a way to get contractor pricing on a 1000 gal septic tank for $635 + delivery and tax so I dug the hole earlier and It will be installed in the morning. I dug the hole by their specifications. Roughly 9x5x6. I leveled it with sand.
(https://i221.photobucket.com/albums/dd261/bishopknight1977/100_0687.jpg)

Last week I cut & split about 4-6 cord of hardwood ( ash, birch & maple ). It had been cut last spring. I'm glad this task is over!
(https://i221.photobucket.com/albums/dd261/bishopknight1977/100_0688.jpg)

I built the 2 pitch roof frame for the root cellar out of the old slab pour footer boards. When I ran out I used some cedar logs  :)
(https://i221.photobucket.com/albums/dd261/bishopknight1977/100_0685.jpg)

I installed it and used "plytanium DRYPLY" as the roof sheathing. I will put a few layers of 6 mil poly over it and MIRAdrain around the root cellar into the surrounding french drain.
(https://i221.photobucket.com/albums/dd261/bishopknight1977/100_0691.jpg)

Got behind the house and started berming the west side
(https://i221.photobucket.com/albums/dd261/bishopknight1977/100_0692.jpg)

My new next door neighbor is building a house. 32x28, hes going to do all pine boards inside
(https://i221.photobucket.com/albums/dd261/bishopknight1977/100_0682.jpg)
Title: Re: 30x40 Earth Berm Passive Solar in Maine
Post by: HomeschoolMom on September 25, 2009, 06:59:21 AM
It is so exciting to see the berm hitting the house! :)
Title: Re: 30x40 Earth Berm Passive Solar in Maine
Post by: Bishopknight on October 13, 2009, 07:36:12 AM
I thought as snow flakes are falling outside my office window today it would be a good time to give an update of my heating experiences so far. The vermont castings resolute acclaim wood stove is working great so far. I usually run it all the time, but not with the air damper full out. I still need to hook up the air intake from outside. At the moment its using internal air for combustion. The house isn't done being air-leak proofed by any means either but its something I will address this month. Without any heating, the house will stay about 10 degrees above what it is outside at night. During the day , if its sunny, about 20 degrees. The house holds heat very well also. The last log went into the wood stove at midnight last night with the interior temp at about 74 and I woke up with the fire completely out and the house at 69. Its 68 now but I started another fire since its 39 outside.

I'm looking into an empire propane heater for times when I wont be home. Just to keep the house above freezing. I found a 35000 btu wall heater for $180 on craigslist. I was hoping I could connect it to the B-vent of my bosch tankless water heater but I cant because if both are running the vent wont be able to exhaust both at the same time.

Thats all I can think of at the moment. Heres some pictures.

(https://i221.photobucket.com/albums/dd261/bishopknight1977/100_0704.jpg)

Porcelain tile for bathroom. 1.37 sq ft at home depot.
(https://i221.photobucket.com/albums/dd261/bishopknight1977/100_0703.jpg)

Guest Bedroom
(https://i221.photobucket.com/albums/dd261/bishopknight1977/100_0701.jpg)

Progress of the berm.
(https://i221.photobucket.com/albums/dd261/bishopknight1977/100_0706.jpg)

(https://i221.photobucket.com/albums/dd261/bishopknight1977/100_0705.jpg)

Septic tank in ground.
(https://i221.photobucket.com/albums/dd261/bishopknight1977/100_0698.jpg)
Title: Re: 30x40 Earth Berm Passive Solar in Maine
Post by: speedfunk on October 13, 2009, 01:55:09 PM
awesome... we were  looking forward to your next pic post.  It Keeps us motivated :) 

Those results sound pretty good!!!  I bet that the earth under your slab with get a bit warmer with time , improving your results even more.

It is impressive that the temp held throughout the night that well.  Sure beats freezing in the morning...stumbling around half awake to find wood.lol

Good job!
Title: Re: 30x40 Earth Berm Passive Solar in Maine
Post by: Dog on October 13, 2009, 03:13:43 PM
Congratulations! You've made great progress. Working through the winter ended up really paying off for you. At least this year you don't have to worry about being up on the roof with a blow torch!  ;D

Title: Re: 30x40 Earth Berm Passive Solar in Maine
Post by: HomeschoolMom on October 13, 2009, 04:13:23 PM
Oh, Sean, you made my day today! ;D  As I sit here, struggling with my website (decided to try a template and post it myself), I am so happy to have a happy distraction while I wait for it to upload.   :D  Again, I love the blocks!
Title: Re: 30x40 Earth Berm Passive Solar in Maine
Post by: Bishopknight on October 13, 2009, 06:10:08 PM
Thanks everyone!

The propane company was just out earlier. I have to run 3/4" black iron pipe for the bosch tankless water heater. Its going to be expensive but its necessary because those things need 100,000 btu bursts for short periods of time. I have the 1600H LP refurb unit for those interested.

Heres some less exciting pics.

(https://i221.photobucket.com/albums/dd261/bishopknight1977/100_0712.jpg)

(https://i221.photobucket.com/albums/dd261/bishopknight1977/100_0713.jpg)

(https://i221.photobucket.com/albums/dd261/bishopknight1977/100_0707.jpg)

Title: Re: 30x40 Earth Berm Passive Solar in Maine
Post by: ScottA on October 13, 2009, 07:48:15 PM
Moving right along. Looks good.  :)
Title: Re: 30x40 Earth Berm Passive Solar in Maine
Post by: drainl on October 13, 2009, 10:06:05 PM
Great to see all that earth against the house!  Have you decided how you're going to finish your kitchen cabinets?
Title: Re: 30x40 Earth Berm Passive Solar in Maine
Post by: Bishopknight on October 14, 2009, 07:14:14 AM
I was thinking of painting with an acrylic base coat and glazing afterwards. Something similar to this.

(http://www.verdefinefinishes.com/images/glazed_cabinets.jpg)
Title: Re: 30x40 Earth Berm Passive Solar in Maine
Post by: Sassy on October 16, 2009, 11:47:30 PM
Looks like home  :)  I like what how you're planning on finishing the cabinets.  Always enjoy seeing pics of your latest progress!
Title: Re: 30x40 Earth Berm Passive Solar in Maine
Post by: glenn kangiser on October 17, 2009, 11:56:57 AM
Things are looking great, BK.
Title: Re: 30x40 Earth Berm Passive Solar in Maine
Post by: speedfunk on November 02, 2009, 09:56:09 AM
BK.  Just curious how things are going?  I bet since your not on computer all day you don't have as much time to post . 

Jeff
Title: Re: 30x40 Earth Berm Passive Solar in Maine
Post by: Bishopknight on November 02, 2009, 08:29:57 PM
A propane related post  :D

Propane Install

So the LP installer was going to charge me $5 a ft for the 3/4 black iron pipe so I bought and installed the long runs myself and he did the connections. It probably cost me around $1 a ft to do it myself and I bought extra fittings which he was willing to use and save me a lot of money doing. Prior to, the propane installer told me to use a pipe compound called "Blue Magic". I'd never heard of it before. They also don't sell it at Lowes and I doubt Home Depot sells it either. I found a distributor house though that does and I bought a pint for $15, ouch. Supposedly the reason its better than the #5 stuff they sell at Lowes is that Blue Magic has teflon in it. Either way, it worked great, when the installer pressure tested the lines, we had no problems. Also, if you're running propane pipes yourself, dont worry about over tightening. He said I couldnt over tighten them with my 8" pipe wrench, he said if I had a 2 ft pipe wrench, he might be worried  ;D

(http://www.usplastic.com/images/products/pipe/16534p.jpg)

Bosch 1600H LP Tankless Water Heater

Works great for 1 thing at a time. My showers are plenty hot. I did have an issue though. Showers these days come with an anti-scald device which is utilitized by balancing cold and hot water. At first, the shower wasn't hot enough. I thought it was a problem with the anti-scald device. Alot of people on the web I found had this problem. However, after some tooling around, I took off the handle water regulator and fixed it myself, which i was very proud of figuring out.  [ add picture later to show what I mean ] For a while before I figured it out, I thought I had made a big mistake buying a tankless because they dont sell shower valves anymore without the anti-scald regulators.

[addendum] Maine Rhino asked me about the low flow regulator on the shower head. I actually removed that because with the low flow washer intially in there, the pressure was too low to turn on the water heater.

The propane is never on unless the heater is on. But on another note, there was one problem. The 3/4" pex that runs over to my kitchen sink all around the walls takes about 1 minute to warm up. If I had thought ahead and run an insulated pex line under the slab to the kitchen sink, the water would be hotter much faster. I'm not saying I cant do that, but cutting into the slab is a pain. But, I may be able to cut a 1/2" channel into the slab floor over to the sink. That comes with the risk of weakening the slab though for a small section, but it may be worth it. 1 minute is a long wait.

Empire LP Heater

I think I mentioned I bought an Empire RH-35 heater on Craigslist for $160 used. It works great, unfortunately, unlike my other 2 LP appliances, it needs a pilot light but doesnt require power which is good in an outage. It does 33k BTU. I'm going to start testing it out soon to see how it does at night. The thermostat on it is terrible, its a dial with a 1 through 10 on it. So I have to basically test it to figure out what means what  ???

(http://www.empirecomfort.com/EMPIRECOMFORT/images/RH-25.jpg)

Misc

I bought a plugin 'Kidde' Carbon Monoxide & Propane leak detector. It was expensive but I heard some scary shit about CO and we all know how dangerous LP is so I figured its something you dont want to scimp on.
(http://ep.yimg.com/ca/I/rewilliams_2075_1588613)

I also had to buy a pin for my backhoe tooth that fell out and some starter fluid for cold weather. I need to lube it for winter as well. Backhoe is working great though. 1 repair for $85 in a year and a half after 200 hrs of usage. Can't beat that.

Thats it for now though, I'm tiling the shower this week. I will have pics of that when its done.  :)
Title: Re: 30x40 Earth Berm Passive Solar in Maine
Post by: HomeschoolMom on November 03, 2009, 02:37:42 PM
Either you saw my message on facebook or you have amazing timing!

That carbonmonoxide monitor, keep plenty of 9volts on hand.  I have one just like that and it seems to go through them...which I don't understand as it is plugged into the wall?  We don't loose power too often either... ???
Title: Re: 30x40 Earth Berm Passive Solar in Maine
Post by: MaineRhino on November 03, 2009, 03:57:37 PM
Looks great BK!

Are you living there full-time yet?
Title: Re: 30x40 Earth Berm Passive Solar in Maine
Post by: speedfunk on November 03, 2009, 04:50:31 PM
Nice, glad things are going well.  pics :)   :P
Title: Re: 30x40 Earth Berm Passive Solar in Maine
Post by: Dog on November 03, 2009, 09:02:57 PM
The picture of the glue is awesome.  ;D
Title: Re: 30x40 Earth Berm Passive Solar in Maine
Post by: glenn kangiser on November 03, 2009, 10:16:42 PM
I find some wait with the tankless anyway, BK.  Even next to it it takes around 30 seconds for the heat to get up.  Lots of metal to warm before the water.  Still pretty fast though and no problem once it's started flowing hot.
Title: Re: 30x40 Earth Berm Passive Solar in Maine
Post by: Bishopknight on November 05, 2009, 04:15:10 PM
LOL Dog. Ok here are some recent pics.

(https://i221.photobucket.com/albums/dd261/bishopknight1977/100_5530.jpg)

Just like with cedar shingle installation, I created a ledge for a level clean first row.
(https://i221.photobucket.com/albums/dd261/bishopknight1977/100_5531.jpg)

I bought 1x1 polished glass tile on 12x12 sheets for the accent border, then cut them into 3x12 sheets. I need to buy one more. I also use duct tape to assist where necessary.

(https://i221.photobucket.com/albums/dd261/bishopknight1977/100_5537.jpg)
Title: Re: 30x40 Earth Berm Passive Solar in Maine
Post by: Dog on November 05, 2009, 04:43:22 PM
Nice!  8)
Title: Re: 30x40 Earth Berm Passive Solar in Maine
Post by: Dog on November 25, 2009, 11:34:11 AM
Happy Thanksgiving guys!
Title: Re: 30x40 Earth Berm Passive Solar in Maine
Post by: speedfunk on November 25, 2009, 12:48:44 PM
BK.  I'm jonesen for some pics man!  It's like a bad (or good ) drug habit.. :)

Title: Re: 30x40 Earth Berm Passive Solar in Maine
Post by: Jens on December 03, 2009, 08:19:35 PM
Quote from: HomeschoolMom on June 16, 2009, 01:29:42 PM
I am so happy to see an update! :)  Your girlfriend is a cutie and looks to be a sport about it too.  Better hold on to that one. ;D

I was going to say "hot", but didn't want to make the wrong impression BK  ;)
Title: Re: 30x40 Earth Berm Passive Solar in Maine
Post by: Jens on December 03, 2009, 08:55:44 PM
this place is coming along so well!  I haven't looked in a while, good-on-ya.  Maybe Jonsey can help me with that Aussie spelling.  What's the job front like?
Title: Re: 30x40 Earth Berm Passive Solar in Maine
Post by: Bishopknight on December 06, 2009, 09:38:22 PM
Thanks Jens and Jeff

Ya, Gracie is a keeper :)

So I finished tiling the shower. I still need to finish the trim around the outside but its fully functional.

(https://i221.photobucket.com/albums/dd261/bishopknight1977/053.jpg)

And lastly, I used my 'Haddon' chainsaw lumber-maker attachment to mill an 8' Ash 12" diameter tree into shelving boards. Here is one of the boards after squaring it with a table saw.

(https://i221.photobucket.com/albums/dd261/bishopknight1977/056.jpg)

Title: Re: 30x40 Earth Berm Passive Solar in Maine
Post by: glenn kangiser on January 10, 2010, 11:20:50 PM
Looks like you are coming right along there, BK.
Title: Re: 30x40 Earth Berm Passive Solar in Maine
Post by: poppy on January 11, 2010, 12:02:19 PM
You're a good son-in-law.  It's a pantry I presume?

Nice looking ash board.  They make good shelving.  The last time I worked with ash was back in high school while making a bookcase, which is in my study but too messy for a pic.
Title: Re: 30x40 Earth Berm Passive Solar in Maine
Post by: Bishopknight on January 27, 2010, 05:15:33 PM
Some new pics

Since I built with 2x6s on the south facing side, I had to custom build the jambs. I cut jamb pieces out of 1x8 pine for the windows. I formed the window sills also myself, rounded and sanded them. Then I painted everything a high gloss white. Next will be the painting of the walls. I made the mistake a long time ago of painting window sills with flat paint, back when I was a greenhorn.  d*

(https://i221.photobucket.com/albums/dd261/bishopknight1977/100_0747.jpg)

(https://i221.photobucket.com/albums/dd261/bishopknight1977/100_0746.jpg)

Also did the moulding for the doors in the master bedroom. Caulked and painted high gloss white.

(https://i221.photobucket.com/albums/dd261/bishopknight1977/100_0758.jpg)

(https://i221.photobucket.com/albums/dd261/bishopknight1977/100_0748.jpg)

Heres about a week and a half's worth of wood to heat this place right now

(https://i221.photobucket.com/albums/dd261/bishopknight1977/100_0760.jpg)

They're clearing the lot across the street from me, probably selling it soon.

(https://i221.photobucket.com/albums/dd261/bishopknight1977/100_0754.jpg)

Shot of the house right now, can't wait to do the siding this spring.

(https://i221.photobucket.com/albums/dd261/bishopknight1977/100_0751.jpg)
Title: Re: 30x40 Earth Berm Passive Solar in Maine
Post by: glenn kangiser on January 28, 2010, 12:18:55 AM
Amazing how much you have done in a bit over a year, BK.
Title: Re: 30x40 Earth Berm Passive Solar in Maine
Post by: speedfunk on January 28, 2010, 12:14:26 PM
awesome man
Title: Re: 30x40 Earth Berm Passive Solar in Maine
Post by: Sassy on January 28, 2010, 12:33:55 PM
Beautiful! 
Title: Re: 30x40 Earth Berm Passive Solar in Maine
Post by: cilo on January 28, 2010, 08:32:07 PM
Nice to see more pics, you have done an amazing job and always good to see new progress.  I couldn't help but notice the wall sockets thought, are those installed upside down or are my eyes givin me trouble.  Can't wait to see more pictures.
Title: Re: 30x40 Earth Berm Passive Solar in Maine
Post by: EcoHeliGuy on January 28, 2010, 08:49:00 PM
According to code, and design, this is the proper way to install wall outlets, but as you have likely noticed 99% of homes are installed wrong(norm) d*

The reasoning is if something was to fall between the plug and the outlet, it would hit the ground prong first, not a live one.

I to will be wiring my outlet plugs the proper way, not the wrong/normal way.
Title: Re: 30x40 Earth Berm Passive Solar in Maine
Post by: fishing_guy on January 28, 2010, 09:01:54 PM
My neighbor is an electrician and installs all his outlets with the ground prong up also, for the exact same reason.  I have had him help me out on some outside circuits, and I hate them installed that way.  The plugs always seen to pull themselves out easier.  But to each their own...
Title: Re: 30x40 Earth Berm Passive Solar in Maine
Post by: MountainDon on January 28, 2010, 09:26:54 PM
Regarding the outlets... this is a PO-TAY-TOE/PO-TA-TOE issue, IMO. The NEC does not address the orientation of the receptacle. Things are not that anal/bad with the electrical code.

However, if you look around at devices that have display panels that plug into receptacles you will invariably see that the grounding lug is placed down. That places the readout the right way up for ease of reading. Have a look at a Kill-A-Watt meter if you have one. I have also noted that cords with right angle three conductor grounded plugs invariably have the ground lug at the lower edge so the cord flows naturally to the floor.

With those two things in mind I believe that the receptacles are meant to be installed with the ground lug in the lower position so the receptacle presents a "smiley".  

As for the "what if something falls in between the plug and the wall and contacts the hot and neutral conductors?" question.... Aw C'mon, what is the likelihood of that? I think I'm more likely to be struck by lightning or trip over a cord no matter what way the receptacle is orientated. At least that's my take on it.

Install the receptacles whatever way you want and enjoy the freedom of choice. Maybe one room one way, another room the other, and maybe another room with them sideways.
Title: Re: 30x40 Earth Berm Passive Solar in Maine
Post by: Redoverfarm on January 28, 2010, 09:31:02 PM
I am like you Don.  I think someone else had told me before that the NEC did not dwell on the orientation only that other guidelines are followed with the spacing and proper amps.  There are several mounted on the horizontal for different applications.  

Why we are on the subject what about distance from the floor.  Set them low when your young and higher when your older. ;)
Title: Re: 30x40 Earth Berm Passive Solar in Maine
Post by: MountainDon on January 28, 2010, 09:38:22 PM
How about this. What would be the correct orientation?

(http://www.leviton.com/OA_HTML/ibcGetAttachment.jsp?cItemId=BnoOBl6JemPcvexHhmWHFg&label=IBE&appName=IBE&sitex=10021:22372:US)

No, I did not photoshop it. You can find it on Leviton's website

http://www.leviton.com/OA_HTML/ibeCCtpSctDspRte.jsp?section=10065&minisite=10021
;D
Title: Re: 30x40 Earth Berm Passive Solar in Maine
Post by: Redoverfarm on January 28, 2010, 09:41:28 PM
Ceiling  ;D

I guess this an active inquiry   

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&safe=off&client=firefox-a&rls=org.mozilla%3Aen-US%3Aofficial&hs=FBh&q=receptacle+ground+up+or+down&aq=f&aql=&aqi=&oq=
Title: Re: 30x40 Earth Berm Passive Solar in Maine
Post by: Freedom Quest on January 29, 2010, 10:15:37 AM
Bishop,

Thank you for sharing.  Your project and rate of progress are truly impressive and inspirational.

May I ask one quick question? - where did you get your house plans from?  I initially thought all the owner-builder houses on here were (by default) from John Raabe 's designs but I don't see yours (listed for sale) online.  Did you design it yourself with some 3D design s/w etc?  If so, what s/w did you use?  Apologies if you've already answered this.

Cheers,
Paul
Title: Re: 30x40 Earth Berm Passive Solar in Maine
Post by: Bishopknight on January 30, 2010, 02:29:14 PM
LOL Don,

Ya, whats the likelyhood :) Those are awesome outlets actually. Basically, I just followed code according to the book I read ( Wiring a House, Cauldwell ). Thanks for all the compliments. I get embaressed when I get such nice words especially when other houses are so much nicer looking than mine.

Freedom: If John had created some earth sheltered house plans at the time, I would've probably bought them from him rather than design it myself. My design is very simple and I'm sure he could come up with a much more beautiful design that incorporated all the energy saving bells and whistles.

Heres a few other pics of the unfinished "current state"  ;D

(https://i221.photobucket.com/albums/dd261/bishopknight1977/100_0762.jpg)

(https://i221.photobucket.com/albums/dd261/bishopknight1977/100_0764.jpg)

(https://i221.photobucket.com/albums/dd261/bishopknight1977/100_0768.jpg)

Title: Re: 30x40 Earth Berm Passive Solar in Maine
Post by: MountainDon on January 30, 2010, 02:35:30 PM
Nice desktop monitor....   :)

So what's running on PV power?
Title: Re: 30x40 Earth Berm Passive Solar in Maine
Post by: rick91351 on January 30, 2010, 02:58:15 PM
I am so impressed with your progress. 

Also love your walking dust mop.  Spaniels are some of my favorite dogs.  Great companions, fun to hunt behind but can get in a lot of trouble from being so bull headed.
Title: Re: 30x40 Earth Berm Passive Solar in Maine
Post by: considerations on January 31, 2010, 12:54:40 PM
Ahhh, somebody else living in an unfinished project.  Encouraging.   You are farther along than I am.....and it looks good, you are too humble.
Title: Re: 30x40 Earth Berm Passive Solar in Maine
Post by: soomb on January 31, 2010, 07:16:01 PM
Are you full time at the house, or part time?
Title: Re: 30x40 Earth Berm Passive Solar in Maine
Post by: archimedes on February 05, 2010, 03:46:02 PM
Great job.  The place is coming along great.

I'd be curious to here about your experience with permitting and dealing with the building inspector.  Has it been difficult?  I enjoy reading about others projects here, but almost no one mentions their experience with permitting as an novice builder.  Humm?

Also, were you planning on doing your own septic?

Title: Re: 30x40 Earth Berm Passive Solar in Maine
Post by: Dog on February 09, 2010, 06:09:57 PM
Wow! Impressive amount of work done in an impressive amount of time.

The place looks great!
Title: Re: 30x40 Earth Berm Passive Solar in Maine
Post by: Bishopknight on February 24, 2010, 11:07:53 AM
Instead of pics, I've posted a video walkthrough on Youtube of where I'm at right now in my interior construction.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2X-CZSIwwzA (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2X-CZSIwwzA)

Second of all, some great news, I recently paid off the $5000 loan I took out a year ago to pay for the trusses and roofing materials, so with that done, I am now officially debt free!!!! No auto, credit or mortgage loans!!!!  I just have my semi-annual property tax payment to make now. $540 twice a year, one in june and one in december. So that got me to thinking what the costs are now monthly to live in my area with no mortgage.

Per month figures

$80 - Property tax
$35 - Electric
$50 - High Speed Internet
$40 - Propane (averaged out over a year)
$40 - Home Insurance
$40 - Phone
-------------------------------
$285 a month

Back in Dallas, TX 3 yrs ago, I was paying around $2000 a month w/ a mortgage and getting no where.

...

MountainDon: My office is selectively running on PV power when enough is available.

Bmancanfly: I will be doing the leachfield this spring as soon as the ground thaws, then have the plumbing inspector check it before its backfilled. Other than that, there are no building inspectors up here in this part of Maine. Its very laid back.

Soomb: I'm not living here full time yet but its getting closer to being ready.

Title: Re: 30x40 Earth Berm Passive Solar in Maine
Post by: Mike 870 on February 24, 2010, 04:48:17 PM
Man that is great that is a great monthly payment...  It's all relative huh.  You can probably make enough to live off just by freelancing with your backhoe and doing other odd jobs.
Title: Re: 30x40 Earth Berm Passive Solar in Maine
Post by: archimedes on February 24, 2010, 05:09:40 PM
Are you planning on building the septic yourself?
Title: Re: 30x40 Earth Berm Passive Solar in Maine
Post by: Bishopknight on February 24, 2010, 05:56:09 PM
Possibly Mike, we'll see.

I have a septic design I'm following. It calls for Hi-Quick4 Infiltrators. The 1000 gallon septic tank is already installed. The tank + delivery cost me around $750 a few months ago.
Title: Re: 30x40 Earth Berm Passive Solar in Maine
Post by: archimedes on February 24, 2010, 06:04:25 PM
I was thinking of trying to do the septic system myself on my next project.  Seems pretty straight forward, esp. if you have the backhoe already.

here's a interesting website regarding septic DIY;

http://www.eco-nomic.com/septic.htm
Title: Re: 30x40 Earth Berm Passive Solar in Maine
Post by: Bishopknight on February 24, 2010, 11:17:41 PM
Ya that's an interesting website, unfortunately in my area, a septic design is one of the few requirements for a residence with a well. Best of luck though.
Title: Re: 30x40 Earth Berm Passive Solar in Maine
Post by: glenn kangiser on February 26, 2010, 10:54:10 AM
Septic system installation is straightforward as long as good design and setbacks are followed.  Some areas allow no one other than a septic contractor to do it.  I have done several in this area and the health official is extremely cautious - to over cautious, but safe.
Title: Re: 30x40 Earth Berm Passive Solar in Maine
Post by: John Raabe on February 26, 2010, 11:30:18 AM
Here's a valuable read for working on your septic yourself:
http://www.shelterpub.com/_shelter/ssom_book.html

(http://www.shelterpub.com/_shelter/_septic/ssom2-648H.jpg)
Title: Re: 30x40 Earth Berm Passive Solar in Maine
Post by: Bishopknight on February 27, 2010, 03:35:12 PM
I'm heavy into drywalling now. Hiding the butt-edges takes patience. I'm still working in sections so I can see incremental progress.

I also wired the 3 way switch near the doorway and took the outdoor light off the solar panel power circuit. Now the solar power only feeds 1 outlet in the office whenever I turn the inverter on. When the sun is out, I can easily run my PC all day and still recharge the batteries. Once the sun goes down though, I can only run it up to 4 more hrs before I need to turn off the inverter. One annoying thing is having to plug the PC power strip into the solar power outlet when I want to use it. I'm hoping theres a way to hard wire a switch so I can just flick a switch and it will power an outlet based on the switch direction with either grid or solar 110V AC.

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Title: Re: 30x40 Earth Berm Passive Solar in Maine
Post by: MountainDon on February 27, 2010, 04:39:58 PM
Quote from: Bishopknight on February 27, 2010, 03:35:12 PM
One annoying thing is having to plug the PC power strip into the solar power outlet when I want to use it. I'm hoping theres a way to hard wire a switch so I can just flick a switch and it will power an outlet based on the switch direction with either grid or solar 110V AC.


You could wire up something. If it was me I'd find a box I could mount an outlet in and have a toggle or rocker DPDT switch on it. You would need a DPDT (double pole, double throw) that was configured as an ON-none-ON type. That means there's be two positions for the switch, both of them ON; no central OFF like some.

One side of the switch would be wired to a cord that plugs into the normal house power outlet. The other side of the switch would be wired to a cord that plugs into the special PV Inverter power outlet. The center of the switch would be connected to the outlet in the box. Flipping the switch from one position to the other would switch the input from Grid to Inverter.

A problem could arise if the computer did not "like" the power blip when throwing the switch. There are switches with quick make and break actions that would be best suited for that.  Just match the volts and amps and it needs to be AC rated.

Carling Technologies makes a whole mess of switches and breakers. You could browse their web site    http://www.carlingtech.com/products/index.asp (http://www.carlingtech.com/products/index.asp)  

I have received sample switches from them on occasion. If you have a business name you could ask for some. They will send out one of any type and configuration and send several different types. No charge and no follow up sales people calling. You may have to search a little for how to order samples; I don't recall. It's a new learning experience every time for me.  ;)

You could use a SPDT if you have a common neutral in your system; house and inverter white wires common. If not the DPDT would be best.

EDIT:  go here for the sample order page
http://www.carlingtech.com/contact-us/sample_request.asp (http://www.carlingtech.com/contact-us/sample_request.asp)
Title: Re: 30x40 Earth Berm Passive Solar in Maine
Post by: Bishopknight on February 27, 2010, 11:03:41 PM
Hey MountainDon,

That sounds like what I need. Unless I had a UPC or laptop plugged in, I was just planning on turning off my PC before flipping the switch. I'll let you know.

Thanks,
Sean
Title: Re: 30x40 Earth Berm Passive Solar in Maine
Post by: Bishopknight on March 09, 2010, 10:34:21 PM
I worked on shingling the house this past weekend.

If anyone knows where I can find cheap stick on window panes. I'd like to get some for the middle 3 windows so they also have a colonial look like the outer 4 in the front.

(https://i221.photobucket.com/albums/dd261/bishopknight1977/100_0846.jpg)
Title: Re: 30x40 Earth Berm Passive Solar in Maine
Post by: Jens on March 11, 2010, 11:09:34 PM
"If anyone knows where I can find cheap stick on window panes. I'd like to get some for the middle 3 windows so they also have a colonial look like the outer 4 in the front. "

white plastic and silicone.
Title: Re: 30x40 Earth Berm Passive Solar in Maine
Post by: speedfunk on March 12, 2010, 12:57:34 PM
That looks freakin' sweet.  I love the cedar shakes, Deb and I were wondering how you were going to finish it ..... a bit of work to install but worth it.  Nice pics :)

Glad to see your making some real good progress.
Title: Re: 30x40 Earth Berm Passive Solar in Maine
Post by: pagan on March 12, 2010, 01:11:41 PM
I have the same Ryobi cordless drill.
Title: Re: 30x40 Earth Berm Passive Solar in Maine
Post by: Sassy on March 12, 2010, 03:33:06 PM
Love it!    [cool]
Title: Re: 30x40 Earth Berm Passive Solar in Maine
Post by: Jens on March 14, 2010, 10:46:30 AM
Quote from: pagancelt on March 12, 2010, 01:11:41 PM
I have the same Ryobi cordless drill.
I recently upgraded to the Rigid cordless kit.  Hammer drill, impact, skilsaw, sawzall (with orbital action), and worklight (with CFL).  I gave my Ryobi stuff to my wife for Valentines day, and she's all over it.  It was a bit expensive, at $500, but oh so worth it.  Still, I used the Ryobi tools for about 7 years, and still recommend them, but the power difference in the Rigid is amazing.

Are those undercourse shingles BK?  Make sure to get a finish on them soon, because they curl and split pretty quickly if you don't.
Title: Re: 30x40 Earth Berm Passive Solar in Maine
Post by: John Raabe on March 14, 2010, 11:01:09 AM
Nice work!

For the windows you might start with just adding the middle horizontal bars. That would tie the front together without getting too fussy.
Title: Re: 30x40 Earth Berm Passive Solar in Maine
Post by: glenn kangiser on March 15, 2010, 11:46:19 PM
Looking great, BK and Grace.  :)
Title: Re: 30x40 Earth Berm Passive Solar in Maine
Post by: Bishopknight on April 04, 2010, 06:42:25 PM
Some progress on the cedar shake shingling. I'm applying Cabot Cedar Naturaltone stain/protectant.

(https://i221.photobucket.com/albums/dd261/bishopknight1977/100_0890.jpg)

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I built my first raised bed where my rock wall was. I put in some manure at the bottom and then filled it with topsoil collected from my land.

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Been building a cedar round rail fence collected from my 10 acres. The poles avg 8-10" diameter and the rails, 4-5". I punch through with my chainsaw making a square , then I square the ends of the rails.

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Lastly, I finished mudding and taping the office. Then painted it dark blue and finished the windows and put in 2" blinds along with a custom desk which I'm finishing with leftover wood vaneers from my fathers business.

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Title: Re: 30x40 Earth Berm Passive Solar in Maine
Post by: Redoverfarm on April 04, 2010, 06:51:21 PM
 [cool].  But I get dizzy enough looking at the screen and that countertop would really mess me up.
Title: Re: 30x40 Earth Berm Passive Solar in Maine
Post by: EcoHeliGuy on April 04, 2010, 06:58:58 PM
Your cuts on the fence posts are crazy, I'm surprised they are so clean.

Nice desk work
Title: Re: 30x40 Earth Berm Passive Solar in Maine
Post by: Bishopknight on April 06, 2010, 06:46:18 PM
Thanks,

We're starting to work on our garden now. We bought a can of garden seeds in 12/07 and just opened it because we figured the experience would be good and that seeds only last a few years. We were surprised with the quality of the package inside.
http://beprepared.com/product.asp?pn=FG%20S200&name=Garden+Seeds&bhcd2=1270596900 (http://beprepared.com/product.asp?pn=FG%20S200&name=Garden+Seeds&bhcd2=1270596900)

They went nuts on the peas, 10 oz, and 5 oz on the corn and beans. The rest ranges from 5-10grams per packet in weight.

(https://i221.photobucket.com/albums/dd261/bishopknight1977/100_0923.jpg)

Having picked up a PH soil tester, some composted manure and limestone earlier, we put it to use this afternoon. We fixed the soil PH so it was about 6.5 with decent fertility.We have this book, Gardening in hard times http://www.amazon.com/Gardening-When-Counts-Growing-Mother/dp/086571553X (http://www.amazon.com/Gardening-When-Counts-Growing-Mother/dp/086571553X) and have been trying to follow it. This being our first year of serious gardening, we're going to try growing the hardier crops first like peas, radish, onion, spinach, cabbage and swiss chard and lettuce romaine first.

We're starting them inside for now, our soil meets the PH for all of them.
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Title: Re: 30x40 Earth Berm Passive Solar in Maine
Post by: speedfunk on April 08, 2010, 01:12:49 PM
exciting your entering the gardening stage.  I'm right behind ya...wait up !  [cool] 

Look into permaculture principals for gardening.  there's a bunch of video's on you tube

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=3162503821561656641# (http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=3162503821561656641#)

There's one. 

Nice job on the desk too.. It looks awesome.  We have a similar idea using shale pieces to make designs.  We have some with a rose color, some blue, some grey.  they will look really cool in a mosiaic like you did . 

Thinks are looking great..
Title: Re: 30x40 Earth Berm Passive Solar in Maine
Post by: Dog on April 11, 2010, 01:39:36 AM
alright! The gardening phase!!!  [cool]
Title: Re: 30x40 Earth Berm Passive Solar in Maine
Post by: Bishopknight on April 12, 2010, 08:10:29 PM
Thanks Dog and Speedfunk,

I'm checking out those videos. About the prior photos, actually, I tossed out that first iteration of soil and seed. It hardened up WAY too fast without soil aeration. I bought and mixed equal parts miracle grow garden soil and peat moss for the 2nd initial seedling starting, lol.

This one should go perfect because I felt around the soil consistency of all the pre-started vegetable plants at Lowes.

The next couple days are going to be nice so I'm going to try and get more raised beds built. Stay tuned!  ;D

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Title: Re: 30x40 Earth Berm Passive Solar in Maine
Post by: Jeff922 on April 16, 2010, 06:35:43 AM
I've been following your project - it's AWESOME!  I have a lot of appreciation for people who have the courage to use unconventional building techniques and ideas.  I know I experienced a lot of resistance from the local "good ol' boys" when I did my FPSF.  Good job!
Title: Re: 30x40 Earth Berm Passive Solar in Maine
Post by: Bishopknight on April 16, 2010, 06:33:32 PM
Thanks Jeff!

I got a bit of resistance as well but this has been a tremendous learning opportunity and I always wanted to build an energy efficient house. 

Last 2 days I've been working on the kitchen, and while this is just an 'in-progress' pic, it will give an idea of how painting the mismatching cabinets one color really brings them alive. Also, the 3 pendant lights are new as well. I have some crown molding I'm going to install also. Hopefully it looks good when I'm done.

(https://i221.photobucket.com/albums/dd261/bishopknight1977/100_0951.jpg)

This is how the cabinets looked before just a few months ago.

(https://i221.photobucket.com/albums/dd261/bishopknight1977/100_0712.jpg)

Also, This spring I've been landscaping the front yard. Here's what it looks like at the moment...

(https://i221.photobucket.com/albums/dd261/bishopknight1977/100_0952.jpg)

And this is what it looked like last fall... I've probably put about 60 hrs into it so far since then. ( My dad is chopping some wood for fun here )

(https://i221.photobucket.com/albums/dd261/bishopknight1977/100_5540.jpg)
Title: Re: 30x40 Earth Berm Passive Solar in Maine
Post by: 325ABN on April 20, 2010, 08:46:45 PM
Way back on page two, you show a form box for your showers P-trap. I am wondering why/how is it ok to leave bare ground exposed like that. ??? ???

Thanks
Title: Re: 30x40 Earth Berm Passive Solar in Maine
Post by: Bishopknight on April 21, 2010, 09:52:08 AM
I later filled the box with some concrete I mixed up just as a precaution but in Rob Roys book, Earth Sheltered Homes, I don't recall him mentioning it has to be a sealed box as long as you are building on a well drained, frost proof foundation or pad.
Title: Re: 30x40 Earth Berm Passive Solar in Maine
Post by: Bishopknight on April 29, 2010, 09:19:24 PM
Been working on landscaping the front yard. Lots of blood, sweat and tears. Rocks tossed, top soil raked, roots pulled and cut, brush hauled, logs sorted and stumps removed. Only 1/2 way there. You can also see my all-cedar 2-rail fence near the street. I'm half way done with that also.

(https://i221.photobucket.com/albums/dd261/bishopknight1977/100_0956.jpg)

The grass I planted is coming in also.

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Title: Re: 30x40 Earth Berm Passive Solar in Maine
Post by: MaineRhino on April 30, 2010, 05:56:55 AM
Very nice BK!  We drove by your place on Sunday on our return from camp, my wife likes the rails you made. We have been looking at land in that area.

Keep it up!   [cool]
Title: Re: 30x40 Earth Berm Passive Solar in Maine
Post by: Bishopknight on April 30, 2010, 03:09:39 PM
Thanks MaineRhino,

I know my neighbor is interested in selling more land to the kind of people who frequent this forum, including yourself. If anyone out there is interested, you can personal message me and I'll give you her info. Her prices are reasonable. I can attest to that.
Title: Re: 30x40 Earth Berm Passive Solar in Maine
Post by: Dog on May 01, 2010, 10:53:06 PM
Rockin' the yard! Coming along nicely.
Title: Re: 30x40 Earth Berm Passive Solar in Maine
Post by: glenn kangiser on May 01, 2010, 11:01:14 PM
That's a cool fence and desk.

Looks like lots of other stuff in the works too.
Title: Re: 30x40 Earth Berm Passive Solar in Maine
Post by: Bishopknight on May 18, 2010, 01:37:34 PM
More landscaping progress. Trying to seal in the blue board now. I'm assuming a metal lathe with cement over it is the best option for sealing the blue board insulation.

(https://i221.photobucket.com/albums/dd261/bishopknight1977/100_1025.jpg)

I had water hitting the fascia board so I added a new row of shingles to the front so the drip edge is about 2" out now. Then I was able to paint it.

(https://i221.photobucket.com/albums/dd261/bishopknight1977/100_1027.jpg)

Raised bed is going well. Broccoli, Cabbage, Cauliflower from store. Beans, Spring Mix, Spinach and Sunflowers from seed.

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Title: Re: 30x40 Earth Berm Passive Solar in Maine
Post by: speedfunk on May 18, 2010, 03:53:00 PM
Sean, It looks great man.  Your place is coming together to well. 

The dry stack stone in the front looks really cool.   ;D .  Also the fresh veggies..mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

another option i forget to mention is they make a fiberglass mesh that would work well instead of lathe.  I used it on our firstday and it's holding up well.  Might be easeir to work with then metal lath.  I can't say for sure though b/c I've never used lath.


Title: Re: 30x40 Earth Berm Passive Solar in Maine
Post by: Redoverfarm on May 18, 2010, 04:44:53 PM
The biggest problem you are going to have is attaching the lathe and making it secure.  I believe that you have block behind it so conventional nailing is not going to work as with a wood substrate.  The lathe will have to be tight without any bounce meaning that it should be nailed every 6-8".  You might research what they do on larger buildings where foam is used and a stucco coat is applied.  Not sure if it is a masonry product or synthetic.
Title: Re: 30x40 Earth Berm Passive Solar in Maine
Post by: Bishopknight on May 19, 2010, 03:50:50 PM
Thanks Jeff and John,

For the blue board wall. The best solution I've come up with is to put a drip edge down first. Maybe tyvek will work, or just aluminum to be safe. Then staple the lathe over that to the 4x4 PT wood, then drape it down over the blue board and anchor the lathe and blue board with 3.5" tapcon screws & 2" zinc washers mounted to the underlaying cement wall. You're probably right about it needing to be every 6-8" so thats what I'll shoot for.

The 4x4 PT is already nailed down to the truss wall sitting on the plate. I took a photo so you can see what I mean.

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Title: Re: 30x40 Earth Berm Passive Solar in Maine
Post by: Redoverfarm on May 19, 2010, 04:12:15 PM
Maybe a little less labor intensive is to mount ply (ext/int)  with tapcons cover with ice guard or tar paper then nail the lathe to that with roofing nails then parge.   You would have less penetration by the tapcons into the wall and chance for possible leaks that way and besides that is a lot of tapcons trying to attach the lathe.  The reason I suggest ice guard is that it is suppose to be self healing.  I usually start with the lathe and periodically just tap in the open areas and it if bounces off the substrate then drive another nail. If you haven't got it tight against the wall you will be able to tell when you parge.  If you do discover a weak area do not hammer another nail once you have it partially parge or it will fall out. Use a drill and either deck or drywall screws to tighten up that area. Shoot if I was closer I would do it for you ;D
Title: Re: 30x40 Earth Berm Passive Solar in Maine
Post by: Bishopknight on May 21, 2010, 12:29:13 PM
Thanks John,

You might've convinced me not to do lathe so I'm considering the ply idea of yours. I have to have the propane tank moved anyways so I'm going to hold off for right now anyways.

Switching gears to landscaping updates:

Most are transplanted from my late aunts home. 2 I found on my acreage ( the fern and small yellow flower )

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3 barstools I got on craigslist for $50 each, new

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Title: Re: 30x40 Earth Berm Passive Solar in Maine
Post by: Redoverfarm on May 21, 2010, 01:33:19 PM
Bishop it was not my intention to completely eliminate the lathe only give you a better substrate on which to apply it to.  I would way rather have a mason surface exposed to the elements rather than just ply which will be a constant maintenance.  Sorry if I confused you.
Title: Re: 30x40 Earth Berm Passive Solar in Maine
Post by: glenn kangiser on May 22, 2010, 10:51:02 AM
The rock walls really look great, BK.  City people would pay money for those rocks.  :)
Title: Re: 30x40 Earth Berm Passive Solar in Maine
Post by: Bishopknight on May 22, 2010, 07:28:42 PM
Thanks John,

I am just going to think more on it. You're right though, if the wall isn't completely rigid, lathe and cement wont work.

Backhoe is the only way to make em Glenn :)
Title: Re: 30x40 Earth Berm Passive Solar in Maine
Post by: glenn kangiser on May 22, 2010, 07:47:40 PM
I use the Bobcat but I agree.  It beats working. :)
Title: Re: 30x40 Earth Berm Passive Solar in Maine
Post by: Bishopknight on May 22, 2010, 10:38:56 PM
Yup! No offense to the Bobcat of course :) Whatever gets em done
Title: Re: 30x40 Earth Berm Passive Solar in Maine
Post by: Redoverfarm on May 25, 2010, 07:27:28 PM
Bishop you might do a little research on your styrofoam wall concerning the parging or stucco.  I had to drive to the southern part of the state today and saw a house (older remodel)that was covered in styrofoam and they were applying stucco directly over it.  Not real sure of the product but there was no lathe.  If I hadn't had the trailer loaded I would have stopped but it was not a good location to get off the road and on a hill to boot.  That is what I was referring to earlier that some large store fronts use the styrofoam as a Architectual detail and then apply a similar product over it.  May save you some headaches.  Let me know how it turns out.
Title: Re: 30x40 Earth Berm Passive Solar in Maine
Post by: Bishopknight on May 31, 2010, 11:32:23 AM
Thanks john, i'll try to find some more info on how they do it, what product, ect. Thanks
Title: Re: 30x40 Earth Berm Passive Solar in Maine
Post by: speedfunk on June 01, 2010, 06:35:58 PM
It's probably surface bonding cement.  People have done this.  If you do ...use acryllic modifier with the mix to make it last longer where exposed to UV.  
Title: Re: 30x40 Earth Berm Passive Solar in Maine
Post by: Bishopknight on June 22, 2010, 01:19:48 PM
Just a couple pics along with a mirror reverse of my kitchen and entrance. Its getting closer.

(https://i221.photobucket.com/albums/dd261/bishopknight1977/100_1151.jpg)
Title: Re: 30x40 Earth Berm Passive Solar in Maine
Post by: MaineRhino on June 22, 2010, 05:10:40 PM
Sweet!   ;D
Title: Re: 30x40 Earth Berm Passive Solar in Maine
Post by: Sassy on June 23, 2010, 12:37:50 PM
Bishop, looks really nice!  Can't wait to see more  :)
Title: Re: 30x40 Earth Berm Passive Solar in Maine
Post by: Bishopknight on July 10, 2010, 08:48:07 AM
Thanks Sassy and Troy,

I'm considering selling in a few months actually. I miss my friends and family down in Mass. The 3-4 hr commute to plymouth is getting old. So I'm motivated to finish the house and list it. The good thing is I'll have more exciting updates in the next few weeks. I just finished the siding this past week, I'm still trying to figure out how to cover up the blue board. I was actually thinking about using deck boards, nailed to the header and rooted into the berm.

I'm hoping to get (give or take) $87,000 for everything.

(https://i221.photobucket.com/albums/dd261/bishopknight1977/100_1301.jpg)

Heres the craigslist draft listing I've been working on. Pics aren't taken yet.

Basics:

   * 10 acres +/-
   * 1200 sq ft
   * 2BD, 1BA, office, utility room
   * Built in 2008

Features:

   * Low property taxes, $1059 last year
   * Spacious cathedral ceilings
   * 2" blue-board insulated slab foundation
   * Grid power via CMP
   * 3, 130 watt Kyocera Solar Panels w/ 1200 watt inverter, Morningstar TS-45 charge controller and 4 , 88 AH AGM batteries w/ 4g low impedance power
   * Artesian spring water pumped to home.
   * Views of mountains
   * Rectangular shaped lot 300' x1500' with 300' of road frontage on a paved, winter plowed road.
   * High speed DSL hooked up and working perfectly at 1.5 MBs Download / 30 KBS Upload speed.
   * High range antenna delivering free HD signals for ABC, CBS, NBC, PBS and FOX in crystal clear Digital quality.
   * Jacuzzi jet tub
   * Tile and Hardwood laminate floors ( when done )
   * Bosch LP Hydro-fed Tankless water heater - endless hot showers
   * Dishwasher
   * Over-the-range Microwave
   * Vermont Castings Resolute Acclaim Wood Stove and Stainless Steel flue
   * Nearly unlimited supply of hardwood for heating
   * 5 cord of wood ready to split and rack.
   * Hookups for Washer/Dryer
   * 60" Double Vanity w/ dual towel racks
   * Driveway Gate and hand cut all-cedar fence
   * Computer network wiring in home
   * Potential for microhydro power

Construction details:

   * Cedar Shingle siding
   * Monitor LP heater
   * 1000 gallon septic tank and leachfield.
   * 2x6 exterior wall construction w/ R19 insulation
   * R48 attic insulation
   * Built with Anderson Series 400 Windows for the highest quality.
   * Rebar reinforced cement wall w/ CCW Mira-Dri 860/861 waterproofing membrane and CCW Mira-Drain 6200 commercial water shedding for waterproof berm wall foundation
   * 30 yr 3-tab architectural shingles w/ Henry Eaveguard Ice & Water Shield underlayment
   * Engineered Scissor truss construction with 5/8" Advantech roofing substrate
   * Wired for Cat 6 cable with hard wiring from a central connection panel for high speed internet.

Location details:

   * 8 minutes to Hartford/Sumner Elementary School
   * 30 minutes to Lewiston/Auburn - Best Buy, Walmart, Shaws, Lowes, Home Depot
   * 20 minutes to Hannaford or Food City supermarkets
   * 3 hrs to Boston
   * 1 hr 15 min to Portland
   * 5 minutes to variety store & Lake Anasagunticook w/ boat ramp
   * 45 minutes to Sunday River
Title: Re: 30x40 Earth Berm Passive Solar in Maine
Post by: glenn kangiser on July 10, 2010, 12:08:07 PM
No matter what you do, BK, you will have the knowledge and skills gained for the rest of your life. 
Title: Re: 30x40 Earth Berm Passive Solar in Maine
Post by: Tom on July 10, 2010, 04:08:12 PM
After all that you put into it, I imagine that this was a hard decision.
Good luck
Title: Re: 30x40 Earth Berm Passive Solar in Maine
Post by: John Raabe on July 10, 2010, 07:10:53 PM
BK: That should be a nice house at a great price for the new owner.

And, as Glenn says, you've gained a great deal of experience and confidence.

Most likely that building bug will bite again. :D
Title: Re: 30x40 Earth Berm Passive Solar in Maine
Post by: Bishopknight on July 10, 2010, 09:31:47 PM
Thanks Glenn, Tom and John,

Oh you can be sure the build bug will bite again very shortly thereafter.  ;D
Title: Re: 30x40 Earth Berm Passive Solar in Maine
Post by: 325ABN on July 13, 2010, 10:36:15 PM
Damn!!! So sorry to hear you want to sell! I have enjoyed reading your thread. I thought you where all set and where ready to have a monthly expense under $500. Good luck in selling we should trade places. Ever consider NH?
Title: Re: 30x40 Earth Berm Passive Solar in Maine
Post by: drainl on July 14, 2010, 06:14:15 PM
Sean...

I have to admit I'm kind of bummed lol.  I give you props for driving out 3 to 4 hours (whatever your drive is) for over a year to work on it.  Maybe you could rent it out ...then have the cabin to stay in for "vacation".  We are coming up to maine in sept and were thinking of stopping by.. i'll PM ya when It gets closer ...have a few beers etc..
jeff

DOH ....my wife's login name sorry... my laptop got stolen from our house 2 days ago. 
Title: Re: 30x40 Earth Berm Passive Solar in Maine
Post by: mldrenen on July 14, 2010, 08:45:59 PM
echoing glenn's sentiments: this has been an invaluable experience, and will be something that you can always look back on with pride.  you've really done some impressive things over the past couple of years, and you shouldn't feel bad about a thing.

when i was looking for land, i found quite a bit in vermont/new hampshire/maine/new york that fit my vision and budget.  ultimately, i couldn't leave my network of friends and family.  so in that respect, i can completely understand your decision.  i wound up with a parcel that wasn't what i initially had my mind set on, but it's in an area that i know and love, and that was enough.

Title: Re: 30x40 Earth Berm Passive Solar in Maine
Post by: Dog on July 27, 2010, 08:42:51 PM
Wow...I doubt you'll have any trouble selling. What an experience building that house was. It was so interesting reading your progress along the way. Any buyer will appreciate the quality and love that you put into building the home. Good Luck  :)
Title: Re: 30x40 Earth Berm Passive Solar in Maine
Post by: Alasdair on August 04, 2010, 09:39:59 PM
Bish, I have enjoyed following your thread and have been pleased to borrow several of your ideas. you made a great job on everything. Good luck with the sale - you must have built up a good bit of sweat equity in that place! If you're ever in the maritime provinces be sure to drop in!
Al
Title: Re: 30x40 Earth Berm Passive Solar in Maine
Post by: sjdehner on August 11, 2010, 04:48:08 PM
It's been quite some time since we've checked in and your place is nearly done! It seems you're selling it too!

Where are you off to? Are you going to build another house?

We're no longer in Maine but back in Washington state. It's nice to be back West but we have fond memories of Maine.

Good luck to you!

Shawn & Jamie
Title: Re: 30x40 Earth Berm Passive Solar in Maine
Post by: antillio on August 28, 2010, 02:05:52 PM
I have read your story this morning. Very Interesting you have done a fine job.
It's sad that you are selling the place. A similiar thing happed to me, I sold a place right when I finished it up. My advise is don't sell right away unless you are going to being on your next place that will bring the satisfaction and peace of mind this place will give you. 87,000 is not enough for all of the hardwork, risk and capital you have poured into this project.

Whatever you decide to do I wish you the best!!
Title: Re: 30x40 Earth Berm Passive Solar in Maine
Post by: Bishopknight on September 09, 2010, 09:10:25 AM
Heres where I'm at with the beach stone hearth and the living room finishings. I need to finish so I can get the wood stove back because its starting to get chilly at night.
(https://i221.photobucket.com/albums/dd261/bishopknight1977/100_1410.jpg)

In the process of painting all the mis-matched cabinets the same color and they came out nice.
(https://i221.photobucket.com/albums/dd261/bishopknight1977/100_1402.jpg)

Got around to finishing the guest bedroom walls and closet. Still needs some baseboard in closet though.
(https://i221.photobucket.com/albums/dd261/bishopknight1977/100_1392.jpg)

Also a side project of mine is painting the backhoe arms black for rust prevention and to match the current generation out these days. I can re-badge them pretty cheaply with newer replacement decals.  I'm using Rustoleom Oil based metal paint, gloss black.
(https://i221.photobucket.com/albums/dd261/bishopknight1977/100_1409.jpg)
Title: Re: 30x40 Earth Berm Passive Solar in Maine
Post by: glenn kangiser on September 09, 2010, 09:57:55 AM
Nice work, BK.  Always nice to see an update on your progress.  My great grandfather used to make beach rock fireplaces and my grandparents had to build a bonfire to heat them in, to make sure they wouldn't explode.  They were exposed to direct flame though.
Title: Re: 30x40 Earth Berm Passive Solar in Maine
Post by: Bishopknight on September 17, 2010, 10:55:30 AM
Thanks everyone for the nice words!

Some new progress to share:

(https://i221.photobucket.com/albums/dd261/bishopknight1977/100_1415.jpg)

(https://i221.photobucket.com/albums/dd261/bishopknight1977/100_1412.jpg)

(https://i221.photobucket.com/albums/dd261/bishopknight1977/100_1411.jpg)
Title: Re: 30x40 Earth Berm Passive Solar in Maine
Post by: Bishopknight on September 20, 2010, 09:02:30 PM
Its almost the 2 year anniversary of starting this house and its nearly complete. I haven't completely decided if and when I will sell it or not.

I finished the rock wall today.
(https://i221.photobucket.com/albums/dd261/bishopknight1977/100_1420.jpg)

And started wood for the winter. Most of this was left over from last winter but its a good head start. I've noticed lots of people in maine love using forklift crates for sides so I made one and placed it nearer to the door this time. I'm trying to learn, lol.
(https://i221.photobucket.com/albums/dd261/bishopknight1977/100_1419.jpg)

As mentioned in a prior post, I've been repainting the backhoe, its not done yet but here's a shot so far.
(https://i221.photobucket.com/albums/dd261/bishopknight1977/100_1416.jpg)
Title: Re: 30x40 Earth Berm Passive Solar in Maine
Post by: MaineRhino on September 21, 2010, 08:38:34 PM
Looks great BK! After a summer like we've had, who would want to move away! ;D

Nice job on the flooring and the stonework behind the woodstove!
Title: Re: 30x40 Earth Berm Passive Solar in Maine
Post by: Bishopknight on September 22, 2010, 12:58:13 PM
Thanks MaineRhino!

I know seriously? Amazing summer and its still going!
Title: Re: 30x40 Earth Berm Passive Solar in Maine
Post by: glenn kangiser on October 02, 2010, 09:40:11 AM
I remember you inside the house chipping out ice so you could work.  I could not imagine living or working under those conditions... you guys back there are too tough..... :)
Title: Re: 30x40 Earth Berm Passive Solar in Maine
Post by: ScottA on October 02, 2010, 09:53:05 AM
The place is looking really great.  :)
Title: Re: 30x40 Earth Berm Passive Solar in Maine
Post by: Bandit on October 05, 2010, 12:08:11 PM
  Hi BK
  I have been following Your progress since I found this Forum , as We do love that area of Maine , and think You are doing an great job .                   I didn't really know where You were building till Your post the other day . I am very familiar with the area , and would love to move back into the area , as My family bought the point of land between Big Bear and Little Bear  back in the 60's while I was in the Coast Guard and We built a Camp on it in the late 60's , but it was sold  in the late 90's .
   I use to go into town on back roads and come in  on Church St.  .   Were You able to catch the "Hartford 4th. of July Parade ? "   We always went .                                                                                                                  I haven't been up there for a couple of years , in fact our friends from N. Turner called Sun. nite to see if We wanted to meet up at the Fryeburg Fair .            for Loggers Day .  (We lived up there in the early eighty's and I had My own JD Skidder and logged all over the area  )                                              We couldn't make the Fair again this year ,  but told them We will try to stop in for a visit soon .  ( You go right by there trailer on Rt. 4 , they sell firewood and have a Prentek Firewood Processor in the Dooryard )
    I do want to mention again what an awesome job You two have done with the house and land ,plus explaining how You did it and why .
Also after  25 yrs of driving up  and back , with only 2 flats and a blown motor , (186 mi. each way , but who is keeping track ) on weekends , I can relate to You not wanting to do it anymore .
   Some of the things I miss the most about the drive  are Cole Farms for breakfast coming up and the Custard at Hodgmans on the way home .
          http://www.roadfood.com/Restaurant/Reviews/2965/hodgmans-frozen-custard
   Bob
Title: Re: 30x40 Earth Berm Passive Solar in Maine
Post by: Bishopknight on October 06, 2010, 08:16:00 AM
I haven't seen the Hartford 4th of july parade unfortunately. That area is nice, beautiful lakes. Its a great area, no doubt. A few times, on my way back to boston, I've stopped at Cole Farms and Hodgmans. I agree, great food and ice cream!

No flats here but 3 speeding tickets, none in the last 18 months though, they all came within 2 months of each other  d*

Glad you enjoyed the progress, thanks Bob for the kind words  ;D
Title: Re: 30x40 Earth Berm Passive Solar in Maine
Post by: Bishopknight on October 06, 2010, 08:17:46 AM
QuoteI remember you inside the house chipping out ice so you could work.  I could not imagine living or working under those conditions... you guys back there are too tough..... Smiley

Glenn,

I don't miss that!  c*
Title: Re: 30x40 Earth Berm Passive Solar in Maine
Post by: Bandit on October 06, 2010, 02:54:05 PM
   I only got one speeding ticket in Mass years ago , but I did pass a Maine State Trooper back in 1970 doing way over 120 in My Hemi. Road Runner . He didn't even try to follow me , but I did get a ticket for a loud exhaust by a trooper near Lake Auburn on the way back home .
  I saw a lot on all those trips , Deer, Moose , Bad Accidents , but having a small plane land in front of Me on the pike by the Gray Exit really sticks in My mind , especially hearing his motor sputter and stall as He glided just above Us .
   Hodgmans  use to call My Wife " the crazy lady from Boston " as We use to have them super-cool and wrap up a bunch of ice cream for Us to take home and We would have it all winter .
  As for Cole Farm's , when I started getting "The Chicken in a Basket " they were $2.75 ,and a Frappe was like $ 1.35 , now it's $8.75 and $3.35  plus  tea was .10  cents and a coffee was only  .15 cents  with one refill .
   I would really think long and hard about selling , the area and the people can really grow on You .
       Ex. When You stop at the local store on Your way to the Fryeburg Fair ( after not being in the area for a few years ) and the owner won't take any money from You for gas and breakfast , and tells You to save it for the Fair and just send them a check when You get home ,  You Are Home .
   Bob
Title: Re: 30x40 Earth Berm Passive Solar in Maine
Post by: speedfunk on October 10, 2010, 06:12:11 PM
The stones behind the stove are really , pretty damn awesome. [cool]

They really kick the place up a notch nice job sean..


Title: Re: 30x40 Earth Berm Passive Solar in Maine
Post by: Bishopknight on October 13, 2010, 10:30:59 PM
Just a new pic of the setup with everything :)

(https://i221.photobucket.com/albums/dd261/bishopknight1977/100_1499.jpg)

Title: Re: 30x40 Earth Berm Passive Solar in Maine
Post by: PorkChopsMmm on November 17, 2010, 12:29:48 PM
Can you post pictures of the front and back of your solar mount? I would like to build something similar for our 3 240 watt panels at our homestead but I am struggling with the mount to the pole.

Thanks!
Title: Re: 30x40 Earth Berm Passive Solar in Maine
Post by: DIYJandS on November 22, 2010, 02:14:06 PM
Wow you and your gf did a great job!  [cool] It's been a while since we've visited your progress and agree with everyone that the beach stones look fantastic. Our land is in n.h. and we may just have to copy that. Did you decide if you were going to sell? I know someone looking for property in southern maine, but he may be interested in something further up.
Title: Re: 30x40 Earth Berm Passive Solar in Maine
Post by: Bishopknight on January 18, 2011, 01:23:34 PM
Thanks,

I decided not to sell for now. I'm renting it out at the moment for $800 a month.

I want to build another and rent that out too. But if I did another, it wouldn't be bermed, it would be basically all electric appliances with a propane direct vent house heater. It would look a lot nicer, be on a smaller footprint so the foundation/roof is cheaper, 2 story.

I was thinking about 2 stacked studio apts for rental income, possibly on my land, not sure though. Up where my house is, I could probably get $500-550 for a studio apt year round. I could probably build the whole stacked studio for about $20,000 and it would generate about $1000 a month income. Pay for itself in about 2 to 2.5 years expecting gaps in tenancy.  

I'm going to try estimate and get a floor plan up of what i'm thinking above for a 22'x16' 2 story double studio rental.

5 yards of concrete = $556 delivered
18' 6 pitch trusses = $46.99 ea ( 12 costs $564 )
12 bundles of shingles @ $25 ea = $300
12 sheets of Advantech 5/8 roof sheathing @ $27 = $324
2 #15 rolls of tar paper = $30




Title: Re: 30x40 Earth Berm Passive Solar in Maine
Post by: speedfunk on January 18, 2011, 04:05:27 PM
congrats on making some money renting it out. 

I just wanted to share what I have found when building as you describe (the firstday with walkout basement).  B/C i was trying to make things as affordably as possible (but still cool) I did what you suggested.  It was thought at the time as well to building with a low footprint saving money on both roof and foundation.  There are other factors that come into play when building UP,  Obvious thing is everything is up high, the higher we went to more time it took.  Scafolding it a pain for sure , or ladders or other systems that you might rent to speed up the process.  It added a lot of money in labor b/c EVERYTHING must go up, every board ,every material.  I believe this was even more exagarated by the 12 on 12 roof pitch and the foam being on the outside.  It really slows things down for sure, not to mention farther to fall lol.  Its tough to compare the two total costs b/c of different building types.  But in our experience the savings was negated.  The floor plan also suffers wasted space b/c of stairs.  ALTHOUGH you sound like you want to do a seperate studio both upstairs and downstairs, which makes a great deal of sense.  Your situation can be different for sure...i just thought I share with you the issues we had so you can make a really affordable rental unit that will allow you to free :)

I have been thinking rental stuff as well...its funny how we seem to be on a lot of similar mindsets.  I think we are going to keep an eye open for a rough but solid and simple structured home to renovate affordable.  I hope you share your building again man.  GL I am happy for ya..
Title: Re: 30x40 Earth Berm Passive Solar in Maine
Post by: Bishopknight on January 18, 2011, 08:14:43 PM
Thanks Jeff :)

I didn't mention this but I was thinking of putting the stairway on the outside of the house. And I'm sure you're right about going up. I was thinking another 6 pitch roof and using the backhoe to hoist and the yellow stackable scaffolding.

Ya we definitely have similar mindsets, thanks for the advice! :)
Title: Re: 30x40 Earth Berm Passive Solar in Maine
Post by: speedfunk on January 20, 2011, 07:38:55 PM
The stair way out the outside is a really good idea.  Also the roof pitch.  Having the backhoe will save you money as well.  Quite a good purchase you made when you got that huh!.

Title: Re: 30x40 Earth Berm Passive Solar in Maine
Post by: Bishopknight on January 20, 2011, 07:43:39 PM
Ya it is pretty useful, it will be hard when I eventually sell it!
Title: Re: 30x40 Earth Berm Passive Solar in Maine
Post by: umtallguy on January 22, 2011, 10:49:42 PM
so what is your experience with rural zoning in oxford county? I will be moving up in a few weeks, from a couple of the towns I have looked at so far, outside of mobile home restrictions, shoreland zoning, and setbacks there does not appear to be limits on the number of structures on a property?
Title: Re: 30x40 Earth Berm Passive Solar in Maine
Post by: MaineRhino on January 24, 2011, 09:18:57 AM
I own two places in Oxford County, and other than the covenants placed on my properties, I have not heard of any restrictions on the # of structures that can be placed on the property.

Every town is slightly different, but many towns in this county have no formal permitting structure in place. They just want to know what it is worth so you can be taxed for it.  d*



MaineRhino


w* to Oxford County!!!

Title: Re: 30x40 Earth Berm Passive Solar in Maine
Post by: umtallguy on January 24, 2011, 07:05:06 PM
hmmm sounds excellent, though i may end up more down around gray due to the woman likely working in portland
Title: Re: 30x40 Earth Berm Passive Solar in Maine
Post by: Bishopknight on January 25, 2011, 10:29:08 AM
I think MaineRhino is right, in my whole time I never heard about really any restrictions. Granted if you build something like a condo, you may fight town hall resistance and the ire of your neighbors.
Title: Re: 30x40 Earth Berm Passive Solar in Maine
Post by: umtallguy on March 03, 2011, 07:54:22 PM
I think I saw your place on craigslist

Unfortunately the woman is working in Portland so we are stuck commuting from gray :( in opposite directions

no cheap land here,
Title: Re: 30x40 Earth Berm Passive Solar in Maine
Post by: Bishopknight on April 20, 2011, 04:38:41 PM
Just thought I would give a quick update of the bar top I installed in my house in Maine. My father and I worked on it through his business http://customnauticalart.com (http://customnauticalart.com). He mostly does boat and yacht tables but I had an idea to do a moose image in the middle of the bar top and I think it came out great. I cut the wood slats while he cut out the moose head. Took total around 30 hours of work. My tenants LOVE it!

(https://i221.photobucket.com/albums/dd261/bishopknight1977/172426_196636850359977_100000409896868_638236_2611037_o.jpg)

(https://i221.photobucket.com/albums/dd261/bishopknight1977/173014_196636797026649_100000409896868_638233_8256109_o.jpg)

(https://i221.photobucket.com/albums/dd261/bishopknight1977/173078_196636827026646_100000409896868_638235_7431275_o.jpg)

(https://i221.photobucket.com/albums/dd261/bishopknight1977/176346_196636817026647_100000409896868_638234_2062996_o.jpg)
Title: Re: 30x40 Earth Berm Passive Solar in Maine
Post by: ChuckinVa on April 20, 2011, 09:43:02 PM
Really nice work ! I hadn't noticed the shortage of electrical outlets on the walls previously... ;D
Title: Re: 30x40 Earth Berm Passive Solar in Maine
Post by: speedfunk on April 23, 2011, 04:27:53 PM
looks freakin awesome..nice job :)
Title: Re: 30x40 Earth Berm Passive Solar in Maine
Post by: Sassy on April 28, 2011, 02:42:47 PM
Beautiful!
Title: Re: 30x40 Earth Berm Passive Solar in Maine
Post by: umtallguy on May 04, 2011, 09:26:41 PM
how square and easy to stack were the blocks? who did you buy em from?

Would you do that method again?

I am hoping to get a project of and running later this summer over in hartford ;D
Title: Re: 30x40 Earth Berm Passive Solar in Maine
Post by: Bishopknight on July 08, 2011, 09:14:32 AM
Hey Umtallguy,

Sorry for the long reply. I bought the block from Gagne and Son in Lewiston.

It depends on the application. If you are building a conventional house, go with the traditional poured foundation. If you are going DIY up in the mountains where concrete can't reach, then block and SBC is perfect.

Send me a PM when you post the thread of your project.
Title: Re: 30x40 Earth Berm Passive Solar in Maine
Post by: Sassy on July 08, 2011, 04:39:46 PM
Hey Bishopknight, you haven't posted anymore pics lately!  I really like the custom countertop - beautiful!
Title: Re: 30x40 Earth Berm Passive Solar in Maine
Post by: Bishopknight on July 11, 2011, 05:31:12 PM
Hi Sassy,

I'm now renting out the house, but I took some pic's before I rented it out. When I get a chance, I will upload a bunch of them!

Thanks,
BK
Title: Re: 30x40 Earth Berm Passive Solar in Maine
Post by: rustypacific on January 07, 2012, 05:30:57 PM
So do you have the details on the final cost... Initially you wrote you would publish them to encourage owner-builders, and I'd like to know if I can be encouraged  ::)
Title: Re: 30x40 Earth Berm Passive Solar in Maine
Post by: umtallguy on February 06, 2012, 09:03:24 PM
well I am still around and renting, in mechanic falls now at least.

looking for 5-10 acres or more around Hartford Sumner Buckfield for a reasonable price,

I am tired of wasting 8-10k a year on rent.
Title: Re: 30x40 Earth Berm Passive Solar in Maine
Post by: Greenwood on February 13, 2012, 11:41:23 AM
my wife and I had looked at some land in mechanic falls two years ago.  It was nice 60 acre piece for around 40k.  We went with 157 acres in greenwood instead
Title: Re: 30x40 Earth Berm Passive Solar in Maine
Post by: umtallguy on February 15, 2012, 09:13:31 PM
damn, have not seen any deals like that lately,

are a couple big pieces up in greenwood for sale, but over 100k which is more then I am willing to try and get a loan on.
Title: Re: 30x40 Earth Berm Passive Solar in Maine
Post by: Greenwood on February 16, 2012, 12:01:23 PM
look for recent transaction in greenwood, they maybe asking for over 100k but they are going for less than that.  We only paid 60k for 157 acres!
Title: Re: 30x40 Earth Berm Passive Solar in Maine
Post by: Bishopknight on February 26, 2012, 12:42:06 AM
I can put you in touch with the family that sold me the land, they may have some more for sale.

I'd say the house cost around $50,000 to build and the land cost $22,500 in 2008. But that's because I did most myself. If I didn't put 200 hours of labor into it, it would've easily been around $78,000 which is what the town appraised the structure at incidentally.

Here are some pictures I took last summer and fall. You can see how the lawn and berm is maturing.

(https://i221.photobucket.com/albums/dd261/bishopknight1977/SAM_4035.jpg)

(https://i221.photobucket.com/albums/dd261/bishopknight1977/SAM_4073.jpg)

(https://i221.photobucket.com/albums/dd261/bishopknight1977/SAM_4039.jpg)

(https://i221.photobucket.com/albums/dd261/bishopknight1977/SAM_4074.jpg)

(https://i221.photobucket.com/albums/dd261/bishopknight1977/SAM_4041.jpg)

(https://i221.photobucket.com/albums/dd261/bishopknight1977/SAM_4040.jpg)

(https://i221.photobucket.com/albums/dd261/bishopknight1977/SAM_4042.jpg)

(https://i221.photobucket.com/albums/dd261/bishopknight1977/SAM_4043.jpg)

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Hey all, i'm writing this as of Dec 14th, 2020. Thought I'd provide an update. I ended up selling this property about 10 years ago and bought a house in Massachusetts. Using the knowledge I acquired, I put a 2nd story on my house mostly by myself. I also built a garage myself. This forum was instrumental in my 20's towards learning how to do things. People like Glenn and others were huge helps. I hope everyone is well and if you got this far, thanks for checking out my posts! I hope something inspired you.